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Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY OF SEYCHELLES Friday 16th December, 2022 The Assembly met at 0901am National Anthem Moment of Reflection Mr Speaker in the Chair MR SPEAKER Bonzour tou Manm Onorab, nou zofisye Lasanble, manm piblik ki pe zwenn nou pou sa lazournen, byenveni dan nou konpani.

Bon nou ava komans travay sa lazournen mon annan en Right of Reply pou partaz avek Lasanble e sa i sorti kot APEX Supplies Limited.
E i lir koumsa; the “We want to express our concern confusion around surrounded APEX’s thirteenth month salary and performance bonuses as was expressed by a Member the National Assembly recently.

of As many of you may be aware, the National Assembly recently heard from Honorable raised Sandy Arissol who concerns about paying these salaries and bonuses.
the citizen that APEX to We want to assure our staff and of Seychelles is the committed thirteenth month salary and performance in bonuses accordance with the law.

paying The thirteenth month salary is mandatory, and we the 50percent on will pay December 15th together with the December salary.

As for the performance bonuses we have until January 21st to complete the performance appraisals and we will pay the bonuses with the January salaries including the salary increases on January 23rd.
We want to assure Honorable Arissol that we are following the proper procedures and protocols concerning the payments of salaries and bonuses.

We have done everything correctly so far.

The payment of 50percent mandatory the thirteenth month and the performance bonuses must be paid before January 31st.

We have communicated with the Ministry of Employment which has confirmed that we are compliant with the law.

Sinyen Eric Crutzen, General Manager.

Mersi.


1 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 Onorab Pillay napa matter ki'n arise ki bezwen komanter.

Right of Reply pa demann komanter.

Si i annan lot pwen ou ti’n devret kontakte mon pli boner.

Alor mon pa kapab donn ou larepons la.

Mon pa kapab donn ou laparol la.

Silvouple sa Onorab Pillay.

Nou a kontinyen avek Order avek Prezantasyon Dokiman, Madanm Clerk.

aksepte Paper, MADAM CLERK Mersi Mr Speaker.

Bonzour Mr Speaker.
Bonzour Mr Speaker.

Bonzour tou bann Manm, staff sekretarya, tou dimoun ki a lekout.

bann tou Bann Papye ki pe ganny prezante i comme swivan Mr Speaker.

Report of the Auditor General for the year 2021.

Seychelles Human Rights Commission’s Annual Report for the Financial year 2021.
Seychelles Petroleum Company Limited Annual Report for the Year 2021. of Development Bank Seychelles Annual Report for the Year 2021. of Development Bank Seychelles Director Report and Financials Statements for the Year ended 31st December, 2021.

Seychelles Fisheries Authority Annual Report for the Year 2019 – 2020.

Housing Finance Company Annual Report for the Year 2021.

Seychelles Pension Fund Annual Report for the Year 2021.
National Information Services Financial Agency Statements for the year ended 31st December, 2021.

Seychelles Ports Authority Financial Statement for the Year ended 31st December, 2021.

Air Seychelles Limited – Consolidated Financial Statements for the Year ended 31st December, 2018.

Air Seychelles Limited – Financial Consolidated Statements for the Year ended 31st December, 2019.

Air Seychelles Limited – Consolidated Financial Statements for the Year ended 31st December 2020.
Petro Seychelles Limited – Financial Statements for the year ended 31st December, 2021.

Seychelles Commercial Bank – Annual Report for the Year 2021.

Public Utilities Corporation – Annual Report for the Year 2021.

2 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 Seychelles Postal Services – Annual Report for the Year 2021.

Seychelles Public Transport Corporation – Annual Report for 2021.

Property Management Corporation Financial Statements for the Year ended 31st December, 2020.
– Mr Speaker tou sa bann rapor nou'n deza fini sirkil avek bann Manm.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi Madanm Clerk.

Bon nou a kontinyen avek nou biznes Lezislasyon.

E nou pe ozordi adres Home Care Agency Bill, 2022.

E koman sa osi pa'n ganny 7 zour notice, nou ava Biznes apel anmenn Gouvernman sa Mosyon requirement.

pou pou waive Leader HON BERNARD GEORGES Mersi Mr Speaker.

Bonzour Mr Speaker.

Bonzour tou bann Manm Onorab.

Bonzour tou Sekretarya Lasanble e tou bann dimoun ki pe swiv nou dan lakour.
Mr Speaker anba Order 97(1) mon le move pou ganny ou permisyon pou sispann Order 69(1) nou Standing Orders, pou permet ki the i ganny Seychelles Home care Agency Bill 2022 lir en Dezyenm Fwa malgre ki sa peryod 7 zour depi ki i ti ganny lir pou Premye Fwa pa ankor ekspire.

E anba Order 97(2) rezon pou sa Mr Speaker, se ki sa Bill ti pe ganny drafte ziska dernyen minit e bann dimoun ki pe drafte sa Bill, bann sponsors sa Bill pa’n kapab Gazet li avan ki nou pran li ozordi.
E nou bezwen pran sa Bill avan ki Lasanble i al dan recess an Desanm, akoz sa Bill i annan en laplikasyon Bidze ki nou'n fini vot lo la.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi Onorab Georges.

Bon an preparasyon pou sa Bill nou ava ganny segonnman?

Onorab Samynadin?

HON KELLY SAMYNADIN Mersi Mr Speaker.

Bonzour Mr Speaker e tou dimoun a lekout.

Mr Speaker Mosyon i ganny segonde.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Manm ava vot lo Mosyon silvouple.

Manm ki an faver lev lanmen.?

Mersi.

Manm ki kont?


Lo Mosyon to waive the 7days requirement notice for the the Reading Second of 3 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 in aprouve Seychelles Home Care Agency Bill, 2022, 14 Manm in vot pour, 0 kont e 8 in abstain.

par Mosyon Lasanble.

Nou ava kapab komans travay.

Mon demann madanm raporter pou apel Minis e son delegasyon pou nou konsider sa Bill.

ava Mersi.

Bonzour Minis pou Lazenes, Sport e Lafanmir Mrs E osi Marie-Celine Zialor.
egalman bonzour e byenveni Mr Clive Roucou PS pou Family Department.

Mrs Linda William PS Affairs Department.

Mrs Brenda Morin Social CEO Protection.

Agency Social pou for non, MR SPEAKER Onorab pou kontinyen avek sa Bill.

Mon pa krwar nou bezwen antre dan sa pwen la pou lemoman.

nou HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Mr Speaker zis pou … MR SPEAKER Onorab mon'n rule silvouple.

Mersi.

Bon nou ava komans konsiderasyon sa Bill avek Mosyon Second Reading.

E mon ava pas kot Onorab Georges Leader Biznes Gouvernman.
pou fer Mrs Amelie Nourice Legal dan Attorney Draftsperson General’s Office.

E Ms Chiara Cultreri Financial Controller dan Agency for Social Protection.

Wi Onorab Pillay eski ou pwen i an relasyon avek sa Bill ki nou pe al pran?

HON BERNARD GEORGES Mersi Mr Speaker.

Bonzour Minis avek ou delegasyon.

Mr Speaker anba Order 69(2) nou Standing Orders, mon move ki the Seychelles Home Care Agency Bill 2022 i ganny lir en Dezyenm Fwa.

Mersi.

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Mersi Mr Speaker.


Mr Speaker mon pe demann ou permisyon lo sa statement ki Onorab fer, mon krwar Arissol Onorab Arissol ti korek.

in E dan sa ki ou'n lir mon ti le zis alert ou en pwen dan Lalwa Lanplwa ki nou fek pase.

Avek ou permisyon si ou …?

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Mon ava ganny en segonnman pou sa Bill.

Onorab Samynadin?

HON KELLY SAMYNADIN Mersi Mr Speaker, Mosyon i ganny segonde.

MR SPEAKER 4 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 Mersi.
Avek segonnman sa Mosyon nou ava envit Minis fer son prezantasyon, pou sa Bill lo lentrodiksyon silvouple.

Minis.

Anrezistre dimoun ki anvi donn servis koman carer.

Monitor e evalye nivo servis ki carer pe donnen dapre standar ki ganny etabli.

MINISTER MARIE-CELINE ZIALOR Mersi Mr Speaker.

Bonzour Mr lekip.

Speaker Bonzour sa de Leader dan Lasanble Nasyonal e bonzour tou dimoun ki a lekout.
avek ou Mr Speaker lobzektif e merit prensipal sa Prozedlwa, i pou met an plas en Lazans ki pou apel Seychelles Home Care Agency.

Sa Lazans pou zer e regilariz servis swen kot Lakour dan Sesel oubyen home care parey nou konn li konmela.

E sa servis konmela i kot Lazans Proteksyon Sosyal.

Fonksyon Lazans Swen kot Lakour - mon pe fer referans avek Seksyon 4 - sa Prozedlwa i fer provizyon pou sa lazans annan an tou 11 fonksyon comme swivan; Zer e regilariz servis swen kot lakour.
Administre tou laplikasyon dimoun ki pe rod servis swen kot lakour.

Mentenir en rezis bann resipyan ek bann carer.

Anrezistre bann carer e resipyan.

ou osi carer Rekonnet bann Lotorite lorganizasyon Konpetan ki donn formasyon bann fasilit e formasyon pou dimoun ki napa sertifika.

Ede bann konsern ki ganny raporte lo servis swen kot lakour, ant sa resipyan ek carer.

remedye lezot Aste servis avek operater ki’n anrezistre pou donn servis swen kot lakour, an ka i neseser.
Zer okenn lezot Scheme ki a ganny determinen.

E onzyenm; Fer lezot fonksyon Ki ava ganny preskrir.

Mr Speaker tou sa manda ki mon'n liste, i ganny detaye dan sa Prozedlwa dan 38 Seksyon.

Mon pa pou al an detay dan tou bann seksyon me permet mwan pou souliny enn de.

Seksyon 6, anrezistreman.

Seksyon 6 i fer mandatwar ki Lazans i anrezistre tou bann dimoun ki pe deza travay koman carer.

E dimoun ki anvi anrezistre pou travay koman carer.
5 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 avek Lalwa pe fer provizyon ki bann carer i bezwen fer serten formasyon, en lorganizasyon oubyen Lotorite Konpetan ki Lazans i ava rekonnet e answit i ava ganny en sertifika anrezistreman ki pou valid pou 3an.

i Carer fer laplikasyon pou re anrezistre apre sa peryod letan i fini.

bezwen Sa i enportan pou fer sir ki sa carer pa'n komet okenn lofans, ki diskalifye li pou kontinyen dan sa profesyon.

Seksyon 8, rezis.
Seksyon 8, rezis.

Lazans i mandate pou gard en rezis pou annan bann pou lenformasyon swivan; rikord 1) Dimoun ki pe fer pou ganny carer atraver laplikasyon lasistans en Lazans.

Dezyenm, dimoun ki'n fer ganny pou laplikasyon anrezistre koman en carer dapre provizyon sa Prozedlwa.

Bann resipyan aktyel e lezot ki pou kalifye sa servis.

E katriyenm, bann carer ganny anrezistre fini ki'n formelman.
Seksyon 9, responsabilite en carer; En carer ki pe ofer sa servis i bezwen asire ki son e servis mentenir bon swen lasante, fonksyonnman e lendepandans promouvwar pe sa dimoun ki i pe travay avek otan kot i posib.

E dezyenm, ed sa dimoun pou reste fit e reste aktiv otan ki posib.

Seksyon 10, laplikasyon pou servis swen kot lakour; En dimoun ki bezwen servis carer ki ganny peye par Gouvernman, i bezwen fer son laplikasyon Lazans.
Oubyen apre ki in ganny son rapor needs assessment par profesyonnel ou zofisye medikal Health Care Agency.

avek Seksyon 11, alokasyon carer avek en aplikan; Sa seksyon i permet lazans fer alokasyon en carer ki'n anrezistre avek Lazans pou travay avek sa dimoun ki’n kalifye dapre son bezwen.

I enportan pou note ki dimoun ki deside swazir son carer li menm, i pou bezwen asire ki sa carer i devret enn ki'n anrezistre avek Lazans e zwenn bann kriter etabli par Lazans e par sa Prozedlwa.
Seksyon 12, Kontra; Anba sa Prozedlwa en carer i en travayer endepandan.

E pa en travayer formel ki anploye par Lazans.

Kontra i pou ant resipyan e avek sa carer.

E se Lazans ki pou responsab pou ekrir prepar sa Kontra ki tou lede parti i pou bezwen sinyen.

6 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 Seksyon 13, lasistans finansyel; Lasistans finansyel ki ganny peye avek carer pou son servis pou ganny fer dapre sa ki sa aplikan in kalifye e dapre ganny agree.
Kontra ki'n Oubyen dapre lot okenn Scheme ki ganny preskrir.

Seksyon 14, sirveyans servis swen kot lakour; Lazans pou annan manda pou organiz sirveyans pou sa servis kot lakour.

E apwentman sa bann zofisye ki ganny kouver dan provizyon Seksyon 15.

Seksyon 17, re vokasyon sertifika anrezistreman; kennsel Lazans pou annan lotorite pou sertifika anrezistreman apre ki en carer i vyol provizyon sou seksyon 1 (a- c).
Me fodre fer note ki Mr Speaker i osi annan provizyon dan Seksyon 16 avan ki sa i arive fer annan sispansyon.

pou i Seksyon 27, Appeals Board; Board Appeals pou responsab pou konfirm oubyen ranvers desizyon ki Lazans i pran lo okenn ka.

Donn lenstriksyon Lazans pou rekonsider desizyon ki in pran.

Seksyon 28, lofans ek penalti; Sa seksyon i fer provizyon lofans e penalti ki aplikab pou carer ki refize anrezistre, me ki pe travay koman carer.
E dernyen seksyon ki mon anvi adrese Mr Speaker se provizyon 38, Seksyon tranzitwar; Sa seksyon i aplik pou bann carer ki'n anrezistre avek Lazans Proteksyon Sosyal e bann resipyan sa servis, avan ki sa Prozedlwa i vin anfors.

Sa i pou permet ki sa servis i ava kontinyen pou en peryod letan, pou permet sa nouvo lazans met son striktir e lezot prosedir an plas dan sa dele letan ki sa Prozedlwa i donnen.
E an konklizyon pou terminen, mon oule fer sorti Mr Speaker ki sa i premye – i premyer Prozedlwa pou etabli en Lazans ki pou regilariz servis home care dan Sesel.

E Mr Speaker mon prezant pou Prozedlwa Lasanble merit laprouvasyon Nasyonal.

Mersi.

sa Minis MR SPEAKER Mersi ou lentrodiksyon.

Nou ava prezan ouver lasal pou deba bann Manm.

pou Byen mon annan, wi mon annan 8, 9 Manm ki'n lev lanmen pou lemoman - 10 nou 7 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 ava komans avek sa bann Manm.
Wi Onorab Loze mon'n war ou - mon'n soz.

E zis mon ava repas lo lalis Manm ki’n lev lanmen zis pou evit konfizyon pli tar.

Mon annan Onorab Vidot, Onorab Roucou, Onorab Bastienne, Onorab Onorab Naidoo, Esparon, Samynadin, Cosgrow, Aglae, Loze, Sandy Arissol.

Mon ava akord tou bann Manm 15 minit sakenn pou zot deba.

Bann Manm ki von apre mon rezerv posibilite pou limit ot lo letan apard bann Leaders of course i rezerv zot privilez pou entervenir a lafen, dapre prosedir ki nou'n swiv ziskan konmela.
Mersi.

Mon ava komans deba avek Onorab Vidot.

HON AUDREY VIDOT Mersi Mr Speaker.

Mr Speaker, Minis ek ou delegasyon, tou travayer Manm Onorab, zabitan Lasanble Nasyonal, Roche Caiman e tou manm piblik ki a lekout bonzour.

lafen Mr Speaker nou pe ariv a en lannen travay lot Lasanble Nasyonal.

E devan nou Lasanble ozordi, nou komans en deba lo en Lalwa ki annan son merit.
Sa se kre en lankadreman lezislatif avek lentansyon pou moderniz en progranm ki deza egziste dan Lazans Proteksyon Sosyal, kot i tous ki swa nou bann dimoun aze, dimoun ki otreman kapab e menm bann ki annan kondisyon lasante.

serten lo E ki pe depan Gouvernman pou sa servis carer.

Ki dan Lalwa i site koman care givers.

Kot en dimoun ki ed zot avek sa swen - ki swa kot lakour e menm an deor.
Me malgre sa Lalwa ki devan nou Lasanble ozordi i annan lenportans e son merit, mon pa krwar ki i merit en Lalwa ki Gouvernman i merit tay avek.

Enn;- in met larzan dan Bidze pou kre li, menm si pa ti ankor ni menm pare avek en Polisi byen kler e detaye.

E dezyenmman, i annan lespas pou fer li pli byen, si i annan plis konsiltasyon.

Lo sa pwen mon pa pou sirprann si Gouvernman i vwar li retourn devan nou Lasanble tre byento ankor, serten lamannman pou aprofondir e pli fer sa Lalwa vin pli byen.
pou fer Mr Speaker, tou lede kote latab nou pou agree avek parti 2 sa Lalwa, kot i sit fonksyon prensipal sa Lazans.

Pou annan en striktir legal kot sa Home Care Agency i resevwar e travay lo laplikasyon ki i resevwar;- ki swa pou sa ki byen ki bezwen 8 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 servi sa servis ek sa ki annan lentere donn sa swen ki sa servis pe demande.
e An plis, administre son laspe finansyel pou fer travay sa lazans mars byen e a en nivo ki kapab montre ki Sesel pe lev standar ki Gouvernman United Seychelles ti met an plas, pou valoriz e protez group dimoun vilnerab, me ki viv avek en dinyite parmi nou dan nou lasosyete.

progranm en Mr Speaker, lo premye baz sa Lalwa kot i tous lobzektif e rezon sa Lalwa, lo apwentman zofisye ki pou siperviz sa servis home carer.

E adres okenn Lagreman ant benefisyer ek care givers.
i koz Kestyon pou Minis, konbyen zofisye ki deza la pare pou fer marse sa Lalwa e sa Lazans?

Kantite zofisye zot pou bezwen pou asire ki sa lazans i kapab fonksyonn dapre sa Lalwa?

Lekel ki pou asir Lasanble Nasyonal ki larzan ki Minister Finans in met dan Bidze 2023, pou ganny byen administre, pou annan en bon odit ki Minister Finans pa'n donn zot ki zot pou bezwen fer pou asire ki i annan sa latransparans?
Dan Lalwa i endike ki pou form par fonksyon sa Lazans Eski pou aprouv bann ki pou donn lantrennman bann care givers.

Eski sa Bidze ki zot in gannyen pou kouver sa bann depans pou nouvo care giver ki Lazans pou pran?

sa bann lorganizasyon ki pou donn lantrennman i annan ase resours imen e langazman pou asire ki sa bann provizyon dan Lalwa e Bidze ki sa Home Care resevwar dan Agency pou Bidze, pou asir zot manda si zot pa ankor fini dan prose annan en Polisi byen kler e detaye an plas?
Mr Speaker, mon konnen ler nou lo sa kote latab nou pe pran serten desizyon, nou pa fer li akoz nou pe anpes Gouvernman fer son travay.

fer Nou li akoz nou konnen ki Gouvernman pa neseserman konsistan avek serten zot bann parol.

E ler nou kritik zot aksyon, nou fer li akoz Seselwa ki’n ganny touse par sa bann aksyon.

Dan prose Bidze, nou ti pran en pozisyon abstansyon pou sa Bidze Home Care Agency.

E nou ti annan rezon fer li.


Zot met Bidze pou en Lazans ki non selman son Lalwa pa ankor pare pou vin devan Lasanble, zot pa ankor ni bann menm avek fini 9 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 lankadreman enportan pou gid zot travay pou sa Lazans dan en Polisi ki kler e zis.

Selman, zot mirmire ler nou kestyonn larzan piblik ki al anver serten sa bann antite.

i Mr Speaker, parti 3 sa lo sertifika Lalwa tous Pou lanrezistreman.
piblik lenformasyon espesyalman carer oubyen okenn endividi ki pou en lentere annan laplikasyon avek sa lazans;- bann fer Enn, eski Minis i kapab enform sa Lasanble ki si tou carer ki anrezistre avek Lazans Proteksyon Sosyal ozordi, in fini zwenn kriter ki sa provizyon Lalwa pe demande?

Si non, ki pou arive avek sa bann carer e sa bann kliyan ki pe resevwar sa bann servis, apre ki sa Lalwa i ganny met an pratik ler Prezidan i sinyen?
Nou rekonnet ki deza Lazans Proteksyon Sosyal i ganny pa mal difikilte pou annan ranplasman ler carer i pran konze, e menm ganny sa dimoun spesyalize pou kouver sa kliyan ki otreman kapab, oubyen ki annan problenm lasante ki bezwen bokou plis latansyon spesyal.

nou bezwen demande ki eski Gouvernman i vreman pare e konfidan ki tou sa bann konsern pou ganny Ankor letan adrese dan en dele rezonnab?

E evite parmi bann ki pe resevwar sa servis oubyen menm pou bezwen sa servis diran lannen 2023 e plis?
Minis, ankor kestyon anba parti 3 sa Lalwa, ki tous lo sertifika lanrezistreman.

Nou konnen ki i deza annan kestyon devan nou Lasanble lo size bann zonm ki fer laplikasyon pou fer sa travay carer.

E osi lo laz ki bann aplikan pou vin carer ti bezwen annan pou zot kapab ganny konsidere.

Eski Minis i kapab klarifye si bann zonm ki zwenn kriter pou osi kapab vin en carer, en care giver anba sa Lalwa?

E si non, ki pou arive avek sa ki deza la si i annan ki deza dan lanplwa?
Eski i annan okenn revizyon dan laz e lenpak ki pou kapab annan, prenon kont bann defi ki Lazans Proteksyon Sosyal in rankontre pou annan sa kalite caregiver ki Lalwa pe demande?
Mr Speaker, mon bezwen dir ki si Gouvernman i vreman serye e senser dan son pratik kot i konsern konsiltasyon e travay Lasanble respe pou Nasyonal swadizan langazman ek Gouvernman pou rod sipor tou nou Manm dan Lasanble Nasyonal lo en Lalwa sitan enportan ki tous direk son - 10 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 Seselwa, parey mon'n dir o konmansman mon lentervansyon, zot pa merit pe vin avek en gato ki pa'n byen kwi pou Seselwa manze.

i pou Akoz annan reperkisyon.


E la mon le vin lo sa bout dan drwa kot i tous renouvelman sertifika lanrezistreman.

sa In deza e ankor annan konsern parmi aplikan ler pe rod servis carer, akoz Lazans Proteksyon Sosyal dan sa dele letan ki i gannyen pou donn en larepons.

E ler mon pe regard sa bann provizyon dan Lalwa kot i dir fodre ki sa care giver ki pe renouvle son sertifika, fodre ki i donn li en dele letan 3 mwan avan ki son dat ekspire lo son Kontra, lo son sertifika.
Alors mon kestyon ankor pou Minis, eski Home Care Agency pou annan en sistenm an plas ki pou edik zot ler dat sertifika sa care giver pou ariv a son lafen?

Eski sa lazans pou annan ase resours imen pou asire ki sa bann caregivers pou ganny zot nouvo Kontra, zot nouvo sertifika dan en dele letan ki ganny rezonnab renouvle?

pou ler Mr Speaker diran 2022 nou'n tann plizyer Minis dir ki fer bokou konsiltasyon.
zot Alors mon bezwen demann Minis ozordi, Eski carers ki pe ganny en servis kliyan anba direksyon Lazans Proteksyon Spesyal ozordi, in ganny loportinite pou en rankont konsiltasyon pou zot edik zot lo lenportans sa Lalwa?

2) Eski carers in ganny en nide ki mannyer sa Kontra avek sa kliyan pou marse e zot benefis e drwa anba Lalwa anba sa Home Care Agency?
Eski carers i byen prepare pou met an pratik ki’n ganny mete dan Lalwa, pou asire ki ler i siny sa Kontra zot konnen ki zot responsabilite personnel ler zot al dan en tel responsabilite, pou donn sa servis ki sa Kontra sa pou reperkisyon anba sa Lalwa?

demann zot e Mr Speaker sa bann kestyon mon tous li akoz i enportan ki sa bann carer i ganny lenformasyon.

E nou pa oule ki nou kontinyelman vwar bann Lalwa ki vin devan nou Lasanble, bann Polisi ki ganny fer, kot konsiltasyon i vin apre.
Sa bann kestyon i konsern ki mon'n souleve i bann defi ki Seselwa la deor, i osi le vwar adrese.

E ki dan mon distrik Roche Caiman, mon pa oule okenn benefisyer e carer vwar sityasyon bann zot dan 11 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 konplike e trakase akoz Lalwa ki Lasanble i aprouve, san ki Gouvernman pe donn nou lasirans ki vreman keksoz pou pli byen.

E standar servis Home Care Agency Sesel pou eleve.


Seselwa pa oule ankor en gato ki pa'n byen kwi, kot apre nou pou vwar i bezwen retourn ankor dan lakwizin avek.

Mr Speaker, mon dir depi komansman mon deba, ki lo sa Lalwa ki i annan son merit malgre bann konsern pertinan ki'n ganny souleve atraver bann kestyon ki mon'n avanse pou Minis donn en kontrandi lo la.

Zeneralman kot i konsern laspe lapros, lafason sipervizyon servis home carer mon napa okenn problenm avek lo sa bann clause.
e O kontrer i enportan, i tre enportan akoz nou bezwen asire ki bann benefisyer i dan bon lanmen.

Me parey mon'n osi fer resorti ki sa resours imen e finansyel i byen ganny zere pou asire ki okenn labi ki kapab ganny fer kont bann benefisyer sa servis, i kapab ganny idantifye atan e adrese.
Mr Speaker pou konklir, mon dir mersi tou bann benefisyer, fanmir, endividi e carer ki'n avans bann konsern e pe sey rod leklersisman lo sa in tann Lalwa depi ki zot Nasyonal koz Lasanble briyevman lo la dan letan Bidze.

i Mon swete ki Minis konpran zot bann konsern e pwennvi diran nou deba.
E lo sa not, mon le profite Mr Speaker vi ki nou pe ariv lafen lannen nou lafen travay pou Lasanble Nasyonal, mon sa lokazyon pou dir mersi zabitan Roche Caiman, mon fanmir, mon clerk, Lotorite Distrik; tou bann volonter dan distrik Roche Caiman, bann Manm e siporter United Seychelles, tou dimoun ki'n solider e siport e donn zot langazman diran lannen 2022. profit Mon osi swet zot tou, tou isi dan nou bann Manm Lasanble Nasyonal, travayer Lasanble Nasyonal, tou nou bann partner e pep Seselwa ki pe ekout nou, pou pas en Zwaye Noel 2022 e en bon lannen 2023.
Mersi Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER Mersi Onorab Vidot.

Mon a pas laparol Onorab Roucou.

HON MICHEL ROUCOU Mersi Mr Speaker.

Bonzour Minis ek ou lekip e bonzour tou mon bann koleg MNA, e bonzour spesyal se zabitan mon distrik se zabitan Mont Fleuri.

Mr Speaker ozordi sa Bill ki'n vin devan nou Lasanble, i 12 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 en Bill ki vreman enportan.

Akoz pou sitan bokou letan i annan sa group dimoun ki nou’n war ki zot in ganny servi koman en zouti politik.
Sak fwa eleksyon pe arive ou tande poudir carer pou ganny isi, carer pou ganny laba, carer pou ganny se si.

zot Me selman apre menm zot sa bann dimoun ki tourn, ki vin dan Lasanble ki dir poudir ozordi gato pou ganny kwi, pa pou ganny kwi, gato pou isi, pou laba.

Mr Speaker nou Gouvernman i en gouvernman i war responsab ki ozordi group sa lenportans pou dimoun ganny gete parey zot ganny merite!
Mr Speaker annefe sa Bill li menm li ki anmenn kot nou, se ki i pe dir ek bann carer ki deza la se ki in ariv sa letan la pou nou pran sa louvraz en pti pe pli serye.

Pou annan en Lazans ki pou ganny kree.

Sa Lazans pou la pou siperviz travay bann carer e osi pou fer sir poudir sa travay, sa bann dimoun ki pe rod sa servis, zot pe ganny sa servis parey zot merite.

E la nou war Mr Speaker kot pou annan bann zofisye ki pou sorti kot sa Lazans ki tanzantan zot pou fer bann vizit kot bann lakour.
Kot pou fer sir poudir sa servis pe ganny donnen.

Akoz nou war bokou konplent ki'n ganny met devan, se ki i annan dimoun ki pa pe donn sa servis ki zot devret pe fer.

atraver Mwan mon menm mwan, mon ti ganny aprose en bon pe letan avan se ki kot ti annan bann vizit ki nou ti ganny fer en group nou, kot ti ganny met zofisye Housing, Sosyal e bann dimoun prive menm pou nou pas kot plizyer lakour pou vwar en pti pe anba lapovrete.

Pou vwar en pti pe sityasyon lo teren.


E lakour Mr Speaker kot nou, nou ti pase ti annan bokou issues ki ti leve regarding carers.

Akoz ler ou pase bann dimoun ti dir ou poudir se ki sa dimoun pa'n vin travay, i pa war li pou en serten letan.

laplipar Be selman ler nou ti retournen, nou ti war poudir sa dimoun li i pe ganny son saler, selman zis i pa pe vini pou li vin donn sa servis parey i ti merite.

Mr Speaker mwan mon annan detrwa konsern en pti pe lo sa Lalwa li menm li.
En pti pe bann konsern ki mwan mon annan, se ki nou annan sa group dimoun ki ou kapab dir ki zot annan bann dezabilite, e 13 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 selman zot annan zot paran ki deza pe travay ek zot.

Swa zot al kot lekol avek zot ouswa ki la kot lakour.

Sa group dimoun li menm li si zot osi zot pou tonm anba sa lankadreman parey la?

Ouswa i pou annan en lot formalite ki pou ganny mete ki sa zot, zot pou ganny ankadre anba la?
E osi Mr Speaker ki nou pou vwar se ki, nou annan bann dimoun ki deza pe fer sa louvraz pou sitan bokou letan ki petet avek serten lannen zot pou ariv lo zot staz kot zot pou pran zot retirement.

Si zot osi zot pou bezwen vin devan?

Vin devan akoz petet zot laz in avanse.

Si zot pou bezwen vin devan pou zot al fer sa bann training ki sa lazans li menm li pou met devan?

E ki mannyer zot osi tou zot pou ganny en pti pe sa plis lankadreman?
Akoz lenportans avek sa Bill Mr Speaker, se ki nou bezwen fer sir ki nou pe pas lenformasyon byen avek bann carers.

E pou fer sir pou ki demen napa okenn bann mal enterpretasyon, ki demen sa pou annan bokou dout, pou annan bokou kestyon la deor.

i enportan pou Lepep Seselwa konnen, se ki pou ou vin en E osi Mr Speaker carer ozordi i en desizyon ki ou ki pran.

E parey in ganny dir Minis in anonse oparavan se ki pou ou vin en carer ou travay avek bann dimoun ki annan diferan sityasyon.
li i Petet sa dimoun bedridden ouswa sa dimoun i annan serten problenm lasante e sa osi tou kot la pou annan serten training kot ou bezwen al pran.

E pti pe lot konsern ankor ki pou annan Mr Speaker se ki, yer mon'n sans pou mon asiste Bills Committee kot bann carer zot menm zot, zot pou bezwen zot zot menm kontribisyon pansyon.

zot fer E pa bokou letan pase Pension Fund osi ti la dan Lasanble.
E mwan mon en pti pe konsern lo la se ki si vreman nou pou pran sa - ou kapab dir sa responsabilite ou kapab dir - pou donn zot.

Ouswa si nou pa kapab rod en lot fason.

En lot fason li menm li kot sa bann carer li menm li atraver sa Lazans ki pou ganny etablir ki kapab tir sa direkteman ki sa pou al kot Fon Pansyon.
Akoz mon garanti ou poudir ozordi avek 3mil carer ki la, petet mon mazinen oi poudir Fon Pansyon osi pe ekoute petet 14 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 zot pou en pti pe konsernen avek sa.

I en keksoz ki mon pe mazinen poudir sa i en keksoz ki nou bezwen retale lo latab, reasize, regete.

E osi Mr Speaker mon pa pou manke pou mwan dir mersi.
Mersi pou bann carer ki’n travay, ki'n donnen e ki zot in pran sa louvraz o serye, ki zot pa’n - ou kapab dir - travay dan en fason ki pou negliz zot louvraz.

E zot in donn sa latansyon dan sa travay ki zot in fer.
E Mr Speaker, mwan mon pou, ou kapab dir se ki mon vreman dakor ki ozordi pou dir se ki i pou annan en lazans ki sa pou ganny formen, akoz sa i pou ede demen kot i annan plis lord dan sa travay li menm li;- i pou annan plis mezir kot ozordi ki demen li menm li se ki tou dimoun i konnen poudir i pou mars drwat e fer sa louvraz fer li byen.

E osi ou pou sorti zis pou ou vini vin en carer.


Ou pou annan serten bagaz demen ler ou’n sorti akoz pou annan bann lazans, bann Lotorite ki pou ed ou ler ou pe vin en carer pou ou kapab ale al attend serten training li menm li.

Pou ou kapab demen ler ou sorti koman en carer ou kapab dir ou en profesyonnel dan n lot field li menm li.

Mr Speaker, mwan mon pou donn mon sipor sa Bill.

E mon osi mon anvi dir avek bann fanmir la deor.

Nou tou nou nou bezwen responsabilite.


pran Espesyalman demen ler i arive kot sa carer li menm li i pou pran son konze.

Nou'n tann koz lo la oparavan.

Se ki i annan bokou konsern akoz pou ganny en lot kandida li menm li, pou li kapab vini pou vin ranplase.

E fanmir la lo sa pwen la Mr Speaker, mon krwar nou devret vini solider ansanm, vini nou menm nou pran sa responsabilite pou nou kapab ede demen.

Akoz dan lepase in annan sitan bokou konsern lo kote sa ‘’Ar mon pa'n zafer konze.
ganny pey mon konze, mon pa'n ganny isi, mon pa'n ganny laba.’’ E la ansanm ki ler sa dimoun in ariv son moman letan pou li pran son konze Mr Speaker, li osi i ava kapab pran pou li kapab al poz son lekor.

E fanmir li la deryer zot sa pran ava kapab responsabilite.

E an di-z-an sa Mr Speaker, mon annan en zanmi lanfans en annefe ki depi 15 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 fanmir in adopte li.

Ou kapab dir se ki Mr John li menm li, sa fanmir ti anmas li.

I pa zot fanmir.
I pa zot fanmir.

Nou annan bokou fanmir la deor ki petet zot pe donn sa latansyon spesyal avek en dimoun ki dan sa bezwen.

Kot la prezan sa fanmir li i vini i pran sa rol konman en fanmir e zot menm zot, zot la zot ankadre li kot en Manm fanmir pe travay koman en carer avek li.

Sa osi tou Mr Speaker mwan osi ki mon ti ava voudre ki Minis tous en pti pe lo la.

Bann paran ki zot, zot annan en zanfan avek en dezabilite ki petet zot pe travay avek ki zot pou tonbe.

Eski zot osi zot pou tonm anba la?


E osi Minis i enportan ki nou fer bann carer ganny en konpran kler, kwa ki bann zot pou benefis ki benefisye.

zot, Akoz dan lepase nou'n tann bokou issues an term sa zafer konze lot laba, mon'n travay pou sitan bokou letan koman en carer, e mon fini mon letan apre tou sa letan ler mon sorti mon pa benefisye avek naryen.

Mersi Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER Mersi Onorab.

mon a donn laparol Onorab Bastienne.

HON DESHIELA BASTIENNE Mersi Mr Speaker.

Bonzour Mr Speaker.
Bonzour Mr Speaker.

Bonzour Minis ek ou delegasyon.

tou Onorab.

E bonzour tou dimoun a lekout.

Bonzour Mr Speaker sa Bill ki devan Lasanble ozordi, i ape fer provizyon ki tou bann dimoun ki ganny anploye koman carer i aprezan ganny anrezistre e ki en Kontra i ava ganny sinyen ant sa carer e sa dimoun aze.

Parey nou dir sa resipyan.

Mr Speaker, Gouvernman dizour, in war li neseser pou fer en tel sanzman an ver carer, lafason travay ek tou zot bann responsabilite ki vin avek.
Akoz i war li enportan pou ki tou bann home carers i ganny byen prepare, byen ankadre pou zot kapab antre dan sa louvraz e ki zot fer li byen.

Mr Speaker si nou pran kont en carer, travay en care i enportan note ki i en travay byen delika.

E osi bezwen bokou bokou pasyans, konesans.

Akoz i annan menm serten bann dimoun aze ki oubyen menm bann ki annan en maladi e ki ozordi zot war zot, zot pe bezwen annan en carer, par ler i annan serten sityasyon vreman difisil.
I annan bann dimoun ki vreman malsoufran.

E se sa ki 16 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 fer ki parfwa i annan bokou konplent ki sorti kot tou lede kote.

Me de lot kote i annan osi carer ki pa pran zot travay o serye.

I annan bokou labi.

E Portan serten zot - e mon repete pou met lo rikord - serten carers i pran sa travay zis akoz zot bezwen sa saler lafen di-mwan.
Mr Speaker nou pa pou sirprann letan en dimoun i dir avek ou ki i tann en carer pe abiz sa dimoun aze, ki i sipoze pe ganny peye pou li pran swen avek.

I ape menm ensilte sa dimoun.

Annan carer ki vin travay ler li i anvi e kan li i anvi.

Annan carer ki al travay 2 fwa par semenn ou menm zis enn fwa.

Selman son saler lafen di mwan i konplet.

I annan carer ki travay 8er bomaten ziska 9er e apre i desann i al fer en lot travay.
Mr Speaker ou a dakor ki i annan carer ki travay - lanmwatye zournen parey nou dir 8er ziska midi.

Me eski nou vwar li pe konplet sa lanmwatye zournen?

Laplipar ditan i pou ariv kot son landrwa travay 8er bomaten e ler 9er i sonnen i pe ale.

Atraver sa Bill nou pe anmenn en sanzman dan travay carer.

Lazans pe fer sir ki carers i ganny formasyon e antreprann sa travay avek bokou konesans.

Ozordi, en carer i devret pe santi zot fyer ki zot travay pe ganny valorize dan en fason.
Fodre pa ki nou konsider travay carer koman dernyen louvraz kot pou zot, zot pe travay avek en senpleman dimoun aze, ouswa en dimoun ki avek en dezabilite ouswa menm en dimoun atraver en maladi ki ozordi in gard li bedridden.

En travay carer i devret en travay ki ganny fer avek bokou swen e ki zot devret pe pran sa travay vreman serye.
Mr Speaker mon mazin byen ki letan travay koman carer ti fek ganny entrodwir isi dan nou pei, en letan ti annan sa kontrol, kot tanzantan ti annan bann zofisye ki ti al fer bann vizit, ki ti annan sa monitoring kot lakour e ki ti pe evalye lafason ki carer ti pe fer zot travay.

E osi sa letan, ti annan bokou bann supervisor ki ti pas kot sa bann lakour kot ti annan bann carer de tanzantan.

Me mon demande akoz ki sa ti sanze e akoz ki en serten letan sa ti zis arete?

Eski nou ti pe kasyet nou dalon?


Eski ti annan dimoun ki ti pa ti pe 17 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 ganny anrezistre koman en carer?

Oubyen ki i ti’n ganny anrezistre koman en carer, me i pa ti pe fer sa travay li menm?

Bann ki ti'n swadizan pe travay avek granmanman, avek manman, me ki menm an menm tan i ti dan en lot lanplwa.

Me dan liv kot ASP i ti ape ganny saler koman en carer.
Sa ki i ti pe gannyen, me an menm tan sa ki ti pe ganny 2 saler koman carer i ti menm annan dimoun en letan dan lepase ti pe ganny saler koman carer me li i pe monte desann Dubai, i ti pe al aste son bann prodwir.

I ti pe vin aste revann.

Labi parti labi dan travay ki carer dan lepase ti tro bokou.

E se sa ki mon demande akoz ki home visit ti arete?

Kwa ki nou ti pe kasyet?

Lekel ki ti pe ganny soutire?


Mr Speaker, ozordi nou pe al vot lo en Bill ki pou anmenn serten Lalwa kot dimoun ki sipoze pe vin travay travay koman kalifye pou koman en carer a lafen dizour, kot a i terminen.

E la nou ava vwar eski zot pou kapab kontinyen sa travay ou non.

lafen zot Kontra lo Ler mon pe koz kalifikasyon pou vin en carer, i osi enportan ki lazans i get en pe sa bann zenn garson ki swadizan zot osi zot pe vin pran en travay koman carer.
Me dan plas ki zot travay se sa dimoun, ou war sa dimoun aze ki li ki pe travay avek sa carer.

Se li ki pe vin carer la.

E sa i vin koumsa Mr Speaker.

En garson i carer i desann bomaten son i al pran methadone.

Selman li in ganny anrezistre koman en carer li.

I retourn kot lakaz i dormi, i leve midi i al rod son manze dan lakwizin.

E si manze pa ankor pare i pou ganny pou ensilte sa resipyan li.

Akoz la letan ou pe gete keksoz la.


Mr i vice-versa Speaker sa zafer problenm carer dan nou pei ti'n vin tro pir.

Tro bokou problenm.

E mon espere ki sa Lazans Home Care Agency ki pe al ganny met an plas i ava kapab pran sa travay pli o serye.

si Mr Speaker ankor enn fwa mon pou demande ki fodre ki Lazans Home Carer i von pli serye e ki zot met zot lipye ater.

fodre entrodwir en helpline kot letan en vwazen pe witness bann labi ouswa pe tann bann lensilt ki pe arive.
i ava kapab telefonnen e met son rapor kot aksyon i ava kapab ganny pran o pli vit posib;- kot 18 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 si fodre en zofisye i ava mont deswit al kot sa lakaz pou regarde ki pe pase.

E se la kot i ava kapab ganny evalye lo lafason ki i pe desarz son responsabilite.

Mr Speaker dan sa Bill i osi pe fer provizyon pou sa monitoring.
annan E sa i tre enportan e nou swete ki monitoring lo travayer carer i ganny fer pli souvan posib pou met en lafen avek bokou labi ki pe arive.

Nenport ki, ki pare pou pran carer koman zot travay zot ava fer li byen e avek lonnekte.

Avek sa de mon Mr Speaker mon pare pou vot pou sa Bill.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi Onorab.

Mon ava donn laparol Onorab Naidu.

HON SATHYA NAIDU Mersi Mr Speaker.

Bonzour Mr Speaker.

Bonzour Minis ek son delegasyon.


Bonzour tou koleg Onorab ek tou dimoun ki a lekout ki pe swiv sa sitting.

Baze lo lesplikasyon ki Minis in donn Lasanble an relasyon avek sa Prozedlwa ki devan nou pou nou konsidere, si i annan en keksoz ki kler se ozordi nou annan en Egzekitiv dan Gouvernman, ki i annan sa lanvi pou amelyor standar kot i annan en loportinite pou nou fer li.

Kreasyon en sel Lazans pou dan benefis nou bann dimoun aze.

Savedir swen ki dimoun resevwar ozordizour, pe al ganny revwar.
E pou kapab asire ki nou bann dimoun aze i viv lo en nivo ki akseptab.

aze i pe Ler nou regard kreasyon sa lazans, i swiv apre desizyon ki Cabinet ti'n pran le 4 Me 2022.

Pli boner sa lannen kot bann rekomandasyon ki World Bank Long Term Care Report pou Sesel in fer resorti.

Pou kapab kre sa lazans.


pran zot in Laplipar bann resipyan parey mon'n fer resorti pli boner, se bann dimoun aze bann endividi ki annan bann kondisyon medikal ouswa bann ki’n serten kategori dimoun ki’n ne avek kek diformite ki kre en lenstans kot sa dimoun sa endividi i pou bezwen latansyon e swen neseser pou zot kapab viv dan en lanvironnman, sen e sof.

Kot zot bezwen osi pe ganny respekte; kot zot drwa fondamantal pe ganny rekonnet pou zot kapab asire ki zot viv en lavi avek kek nivo dinyite.
E travay en carer i ekstrememan enportan akoz dan lavi toulezour sa resipyan 19 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 zot zwe en rol enportan dan day-to-day task pou zot kapab donn sa endividi sa swen neseser.

E pou lemoman pou en endividi vin en carer ou bezwen aze 25an e an montan, mon kestyon se i annan bann lenstans ki mwan menm mwan mon'n rankontre kot i annan en nesesite pou nou kapab revwar sa kategori laz.
Akoz i annan lenstans par egzanp dimoun ki'n ganny kanser e se li ki bezwen baze lo sityasyon ki la, rod en carer e son fir 23an pe ganny dir i pa pe kapab fer sa louvraz.

Alors mon swe se ki ler nou pe regard bann regilasyon ki pou mars pli tar avek sa Lalwa ki nou pou pase - mon panse - i pou kapab ganny revwar.

Pou lemoman se ASP ki pe zer sa progranm carer e enn bann prerequisite se ou fer en Barthel Index.
E se sa ki pou determinen baze lo kondisyon medikal ouswa kondisyon fizik si sa dimoun pou ganny en carer lo en baz plen tan -savedir 7er ziskan 3er - Ouswa en demi zournen 7er ziska midi.

Me ankor enn fwa sa Barthel Index li menm mon'n war plizyer defi ladan.

E ankor enn fwa en dimoun i kapab ganny zero.

E se li ki ganny dir al rod en carer.


Me zot apros mwan menm pou dir ‘’Onorab mon kapab ganny en carer, mwan osi mon pe sey rode pa fasil ditou!’’ Alors kestyon se atraver kreasyon en tel lazans kot i pou annan en rezis, sa resipyan pou larzan, byensir atraver sa ganny en dimoun ki pou kapab donn swen vi ki nou annan en rezis.

lanrezistreman E an relasyon avek sa prosesis i annan en laspe kot i pou annan sertifikasyon.

Nou pe koz lo sertifika konpetans.

E mon'n war 3 kategori.


E pou mwan personnelman ozordi zour baze lo bann pwen ki Onorab Bastienne in fer resorti.

I kler ki dan sa domenn carer mon demann mon lekor annan konbyen konpetans?

E kote eski nou pe al komanse vizavi sa size?

zot ki Lekel sa lorganizasyon ouswa sa lenstitisyon?

Eski se NIHSS atraver en tailor-made program ki konsern home care ki pou pas zot atraver bann formasyon neseser, pou nou kapab asire ki ozordi zour sa domenn ki apel carer i enn ki ganny standardize.
Pou nou kapab asire ki nou annan bann carers ki ou kapab dekrir zot 20 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 koman bann profesyonnel dan sa domenn.

E ler nou pe regard sa lot eleman means testing, eski nou pe al swiv menm kriter ler i konsern bezwen finansyel?

Ki mannyer eski nou pou assess sa?

Pou nou kapab determinen wi sa fanmir i napa le mwayen e i pou ganny en dimoun ki son carer pou donn li swen.

Eski i pou annan kek revizyon vizavi sa?


E sa Barthel Index eski zot pe al vin ek en lot index pou zot kapab asire ki i annan en pe fairness dan sa prosesis?

E ler mon pe regard sa Lalwa dan son totalite, i kler ki nou annan bann provizyon pou amelyor sa servis.

E osi an menm tan elimin labi.

I pa fer premye fwa ki Gouvernman pran en tel lapros.

Gouvernman presedan 2009 sa letan ti Minis Lloyd, e i ti annan portfolyo avek Devlopman Sosyal.
Lasante E an 2009 sa ki ti'n ganny fer atraver reform, se ti annan 2413 dimoun ki ti pe ganny carer.

Apre sa reform 834 ki ti’n kalifye.

Savedir 1603 dimoun pa ti’n merit pe ganny en carer.

E baze lo linefikasite ki mon koleg Onorab Bastienne in soulinyen in kot monitoring, sipervizyon.

dezord total.

annan mankman mankman I ti annan en E i pou annan en gran probabilite mon panse, ozordi nou pe dir nou annan 3400 carer.
E wi lo teren ler ou pase ou war en dimoun ki pa bezwen en carer ki pe ganny en carer, sa ki merit ganny en carer pa pe ganny en carer.

i ler So, mon panse ki ler nou pou ganny bann paramet byen defini konsern lanrezistreman.

Ler i konsern enterdiksyon en Kontra kot i pou annan en relasyon byen defini ant sa carer ant sa resipyan, pou nou kapab asire i annan kek lord pou asire ki i annan en pwa legal ki mars avek sa Kontra.

Sa endividi ki pe donn sa swen pran son responsabilite.
E an menm tan mon war en provizyon lo dispute resolution.

Sa pou donn en garanti ki sa dimoun ki pe resevwar sa swen osi pa abiz son carer.

Sa osi i annan dan sa size ki la.

E lo size monitoring mon pou retourn ankor.

Ou konnen dan Sesel ozordi i annan en ta lazans diferan lazans.

I annan en eleman monitoring.

E en gran poursantaz sa bann Lazans zot pa pe delivre parey zot merit pe delivre.
E 21 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 mon swe se ki atraver sa lazans kreasyon sa lo size monitoring, we get it right.

lazans E i enportan pou sa lazans pa travay in silos.

Take the District Authority onboard akoz se nou ki konn nou bann dimoun.

Ler zot in ganny sa rezis propozisyon ki mon pe fer se donn nou en kopi sa rezis pou nou konnen lekel pe donn swen lekel.
Pou nou osi kapab zwe nou rol dan nou kominote, pou kapab asire ki nou elev sa standar vizavi lafason ki sa progranm ki sa lazans pou anmennen pou ganny byen zere.

E mon pou sit en legzanp.

Ou konnen dan Belonie mon pas kot en lakaz mon war sa msye asiz – bones.

I dan en pou diapers konbyen zour.

He has passed his faeces.

Mon raporte, i pran 1 mwan pou zot reakte lo la.

konnen pa Dan Lalwa i fer 10 zour pou asire ki sa monitoring officer i raport avek CEO, mon dir mersi.
Mon swe se ki sa 10 zour nou pou kapab mentenir sa 10 zour en?

Akoz finalman dan 1 mwan sa msye in fini sanz lokasyon e rapor ki travayer Sosyal i fer i dir konmkwa sa msye pe dir i pe ganny swen apropriye.

Me byensir si ou pe al fer en rapor dan prezans sa dimoun ki pe abiz li, ki ou krwar sa viktim pou dir?

Come on!

I annan bann ka koumsa ki pe arive.

E mon swe se ki sa lazans pou kapab fer le lesansyel pou kapab adres sa.
E byensir dan bann lenstans parey i pou annan konsekans baze lo Kontra, zot pou ganny sispann e zot pou ganny retire, e zot pou bezwen ganny disbarred from providing the service!

bezwen Me ankor enn fwa lo kapasite en carer ki nou annan dan nou pei, mon krwar en bon pe nou, nou kapab konstate poudir ki sa menm dimoun ki carer has to be cared for parey in fer resorti.
Nou kapab atraver byensir bann provizyon ki la, etabli bann kriter ki apropriye, pou garanti ki nou bann dimoun aze i ganny swen..ki..neseser!

E an relasyon avek responsabilite.

Responsabilite bann zanfan vizavi zot paran.

I le annan zanfan ki annan mwayen, ki zis abandonn zot paran zot bliye pou dir ki se son paran ki'n anmenn li kot i ete dan son lavi ozordi.

22 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 Paran i viv an izolasyon, malgre ki zanfan i annan le mwayen.
Me zanfan in deside ki pou Gouvernman ki bezwen pran swen.

ensiste poudir Be ler ou annan le mwayen pou kapab pran swen avek sa dimoun aze - ou manman - ou papa - ou gran paran, fodre ki ou, ou osi ou pran sa responsabilite o serye.

Finalman ler i 6 pye par anba se la kot ou pou selebre son lavi atraver en lanterman tou dimoun pou vin kot ansanm.

se la kot fanmir i vin ansanm.

Malerezman dan nou sosyete ozordi ki nou pe viv ladan i annan lenstans kot nou war sa.
E i annan moman kot nou kapab dir sa zanfan pe pran swen avek son paran.

Akoz i annan lobligasyon moral.

I konnen ki i bezwen fer a sa ki konsern son paran.

Me i paret ki dan nou sosyete ozordi sa direksyon ki nou pe al ladan e dan sa ki mwan mon'n war i vreman enkyetan e nou bezwen komans edik nou bann zanfan a en tre zenn-az, pou dir ki nou osi ou pou ariv a sa laz.

E ou pa ti a voudre ganny abandonnen par ou prop zanfan.

Ou konnen lavi parfwa i kapab en serk visye.

What goes around comes around.


E fodre ki nou donn ledikasyon neseser a en tre zenn az pou nou kapab reserve this worrying trend.

E lo size carers an zeneral mon kestyon se, sa prosesis lanrezistreman konbyen letan zot antisipe pou pran?

Lo kote ledikasyon parey Onorab Vidot in soulinyen si pou boner annan konsiltasyon?

Eski zot annan en timeframe lo lafason ki zot pe al fer sa.

Lo kote formasyon ankor enn fwa nou bezwen kapab fer li byen kler lo lafason ki i pe al marse.
E mon swe se ki ou konnen i pou annan 3 kategori carers.

Baze sertifika konpetans mon swe se ki sa provizyon an term saler osi ganny revwar.

lo Byensir si en dimoun pe donn advance level care ou pa pou kapab donn zot at the beginners level for instance.

E lo size konze, byensir si sa zanfan pe pran swen avek son paran komann en carer, ou pou vin rod konze?

Seriously.?

Mon ti ava konpran si sa carer pe donn swen en third party.
Vi ki ou bezwen sorti kot ou lakour ou bezwen deplase, la ou ava vin rod konze.

Sa osi i en ganny eleman ki bezwen adrese.

23 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 Alors dan son totalite nou pe sanz lafason ki sistenm carer dan pei pe fonksyonnen.

E nou pe sey bouz de lavan.

Wi there could be teething problems, me selman nou bezwen komans kek par pou nou kapab bouz de lavan.

Mon le itiliz sa moman pou swet tou mon bann zabitan en Zwaye Noel e en Bonn Ane 2023.
2023 pe tap lo nou laport e dan lavi parfwa ou kapab rankontre tou sord kalite difikilte.

Me pa fodre ki ou zanmen les tonbe dan lavi.

E mon dir mersi Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER Mersi Onorab.

Mon ava pas laparol Onorab Cosgrow.

HON WALLACE COSGROW Mersi Mr Speaker, bonzour Mr Speaker.

Bonzour Minis avek ou tim.

Bonzour tou Manm Onorab.

E bonzour tou Seselwa ki pe ekout nou.


Mr Speaker ozordi pep Seselwa ki ti pe ekout Lasanble Nasyonal ler Bidze pou Home Care Agency ti pase, i pou kapab konpran akoz ki nou ti pran sa pozisyon ler sa Bidze ti pase.

Annefe nou pe fer en legzersis an reverse - si mon kapab met li koumsa.

Ozordi nou pe war ki vreman sa lorganizasyon ki pe ganny kree pou fer ki son manda ki son bann diferan fonksyon.
E sa ti pou en keksoz ki ti pou ed nou Lasanble Nasyonal pou nou kapab ganny en konpran ki mannyer Bidze pou ganny allocate avek sa Lazans.

Me par kont sa pa'n le ka.

E nou’n - well Lasanble pa mwan - Lasanble lot kote laba zot in vot pou en Bidze ki san konnen an realite kwa ki sa lazans pe anmennen.

E pou mwan mon swete Mr Speaker ki dan le fitir nou pa bouz an - sirtou avek en lazans sitan lenportans e ki pe deservi en fonksyon ki tous en kantite dimoun en.

annan ki En kantite dimoun dan nou sosyete.


Ki swa bann dimoun ki travay dan sa domenn, ouswa bann dimoun ki ganny care dan sa domenn.

Ozordi Mr Speaker Sesel in deplizanpli pe vin en sosyete kot the extended family pe nepli the norm, en?
Nou annan en kantite dimoun, bann working families, bann zanfan ki zot, zot in form zot fanmir e zot pe, souvandfwa zot war li difisil finansyerman, ekonomikman kapab malgre nou moralman nou pou 24 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 konnen poudir i enportan akoz mwan mon krwar ki poudir senserman ki poudir en zanfan i bezwen kapab donn tou - ed son paran ler paran i ariv dan vye zour.

Me solman nou konnen larealite parfwa i pa le ka.


I annan bann zanfan ki zot osi zot annan zot prop fanmir.

Zot war li serten difikilte pou kapab extend sa care petet ki, sa care pa finansyelman.

moralman, pa avek leker.

Petet Me selman finansyelman pou kapab extend avek zot paran.

So se sa en pti pe dan konteks ki nou war sa servis home care i en servis ki tre enportan.

Parey mon dir i annan en kantite dimoun ki sa servis i touse.

E i en servis ki pou mwan i merite i bezwen kontinyen annan.
E si nou anvi ki nou bann dimoun aze, nou bann serten dimoun ki dezabilite i kontinyen viv dan serten dinyite e zot kapab enjoy zot lavi dan best konfor posib ki kapab annan.

annan An di-z-an sa Mr Speaker mon pe get lobzektif sa Bill ozordi devan nou.

Sa Bill i enn ki nou apel li sa ki mwan mon kontan refer lo la koman en Establishment Bill.

I basically etablir kad legal lazans.

Pou okenn pou sa lazans.

En kad legal ki konstitye sa Lazans.


E i osi defini manda sa Lazans e osi bann paramet dan ki sa Lazans i pou opere.

Me solman Mr Speaker enn bann premye lenpresyon ki mon gannyen i se ki sa Lalwa dan detrwa part sa Lalwa, i napa serten klarite.

E enn bann keksoz, bann lenpresyon ki mon pe gannyen se i pa kler.

Zot pa pe fer distenksyon ant en servis home care ki ganny provided by the State avek en servis home care ki prive.
Unless petet sa kad legal ki zot pe mete ozordi la i enn ki zot pe mete pou regle tou servis home care dan pei.

Mon dir sa Mr Speaker akoz ler mon get Seksyon 4, son premye fonksyon i dir regulate home care.

Me i pa fer okenn presizyon en?

I dir regulate home care, i pa fer presizyon, i pa mete dan ki konteks.

Si ou dan konteks servis gouvernmantal, ouswa dan en konteks Leta i pou sarz sa servis, ouswa si dan en konteks pli larz kot Leta i osi regle bann laranzman prive kot sa servis pe ganny donnen?
So pou mwan premye lenpresyon se ki sa i en pe vag 25 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 e mon ti ava kontan konnen.

Akoz i annan pei ki menm si zot provide en Lazans.

Me i annan serten regilasyon an se ki konsern Private Home Care Service.

Pa nenport ki dimoun ki kapab ganny anploye avek en home care, en dimoun ki bezwen servis.

Par egzanp si ou pe pran dimoun sorti a aletranze sorti Philippines par egzanp kot bokou dimoun i sorti pou fer sa servis.
Filipin laba zot regle sa vreman, vreman bokou akoz bokou zot bann dimoun i ganny petet serten labi ler zot kit zot pei.

Zot anvi konnen kot sa dimoun pe ale.

So sa pei kot i pe ale i bezwen annan serten regilasyon, reglemantasyon kot i asir sekirite sa travayer.

E So sa ki mon anvi konn en pti pe eski zot pe antre dan regilasyon servis prive?

enn bann nouvo fonksyon Mr Speaker, annefe i annan detrwa nouvo fonksyon ki an zeneral mon war ki poudir sa Lalwa li i pe formaliz en keksoz ki deza egziste.
I basically deza egziste, tou sa ki sa Lazans Proteksyon Sosyal pe fer ozordi.

Apard serten pwen ki mon pou al nonmen ki mon santi i nouvo, tousala i deza egziste.

E mwan mon ti anba lenpresyon ki petet ti pou annan, zot ti pou al en pe pli lwen.

Me solman bann keksoz par egzanp ki mwan mon war ozordi fonksyon;- par egzanp zot etabli en kad formel lanrezistreman.

Ti annan en anrezistreman dan en sans kot letan mon vini mon bezwen donn mon bann detay, i en anrezistreman li.
Me selman la zot met li dan Lalwa formel e fer sir ki sa bann dimoun sa bann care givers i anrezistre.

En dezyenm ki mon pe war zot pe donn en kad lantrennman ki petet ti napa avan.

Ti annan attempt pou fer avan, me solman i pa'n neseserman mars parey nou ti ava voudre.

So, i annan en attempt la pou, i pa en attempt i dan Lalwa so i pou bezwen annan bann lantrennman ki ganny donnen.

E bann lantrennman ki a diferan nivo akoz i annan bann bout dan Lalwa kot mon war zot koz lo bann diferan kad lantrennman.
I annan intermediate, i annan advance, i annan lower levels so i pou bezwen annan serten lantrennman ki ganny donnen.

en E mon war osi mekanizm pou rezoud bann dispit ant carer avek home care 26 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 giver avek a dimoun ki pe resevwar sa care.

So sa i bann keksoz ki mon war in ganny mete, me apard sa bann lezot keksoz i bann keksoz ki ti deza la.

E kind of formaliz sa servis ki pe ganny donnen.


Si nou pe dir Mr Speaker ki nou pe formaliz sa - parey in ganny dir bokou fwa menm avan ki Lalwa ti pe vini, bokou bann diskisyon diran Question dir Time, souvandfwa ki poudir nou pou al formaliz sa sistenm.

ganny nou'n Me si ozordi akoz i ti dan kad en Scheme.

Me si ozordi nou pe dir nou pe formaliz sa sistenm Mr Speaker, mon krwar i annan serten lapros ki nou bezwen revwar ki egziste e dayer i annan serten Manm ki'n koz lo la.
Onorab Vidot mon krwar in fer sa pwen sorti tre for.

Enn bann keksoz ki nou bezwen revwar se sa zafer laz ki ou kapab vin en carer.

Ozordi dan Lalwa Lanplwa sel restriksyon ki annan lo laz, se pou bann miner dan serten landrwa par egzanp dan bann bar, restoran, lotel kot bann miner pa kapab travay.

Me apard sa, sa bann restriksyon ki zot, zot pe mete anba, avan ti anba en Scheme.
Be la sa bann dimoun pe vin travay anba en lazans e nou bezwen revwar sa bann zafer restriksyon kot si ou napa 25an or sepa ki laz ou pa ganny drwa travay.

Ki pou mwan mon krwar i en vyolasyon drwa travay en dimoun anba Konstitisyon.

endividyel Sa tandans osi ki zonm - e Onorab Vidot in koz lo la - zonm pa kapab vin home care givers.

I annan en tandans.

Mon pa konnen si - i annan en serten tandans mon pa konnen si i en rule.

Me solman i annan en tandans.


E mwan mon krwar ki si nou pe met sa formaliz li, zonm i bezwen ganny sa loportinite akoz i annan zonm osi ki bed bedridden, i annan zonm ki dan serten sityasyon ki zot bezwen en carer.

Kekfwa zot pli konfortab avek en msye pou take care of zot ki en madanm, you never know.

So nou bezwen kapab donn sa loportinite.

Apre sa zafer laz ki en dimoun i en home caregiver.

Konmsi, laz meaning en serten laz ki ou arete, ok?


ler mon dir Par egzanp dizon mon ariv 65an mon santi mon ankor, ok Lalwa la i dir i mandatwar ou bezwen ou retire 65an.
Me si mon santi par egzanp mon dan en konteks lakour, so sa osi mon krwar nou 27 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 bezwen revwar akoz i annan bokou sityasyon kot lakour kot i difisil pou en caregiver etranze, ler mon dir etranze - meaning sorti dan en lot lakour en lot distrik, vin donn en serten servis spesifikman sa lakour.

So, mon krwar si nou pe formalize, nou bezwen osi kapab revwar sa bann zafer.

I annan sa issue registration avek Certificate of Competency Mr Speaker.
lekel ki La spesifikman mon anvi issue sa konnen sertifika, si Lazans, si en Lazans Par egzanp Health Care Agency.

profesyonnel?

Ouswa a Lazans ki donn Lazans or lakonpannyen ki donn sa training.

Lekel ki issue sa sa sertifika?

anrezistreman ek E apre ki sertifika ki pou ganny rekonnet?

Par egzanp dizon i annan en zenn madanm ki'n travay 5an 10an dan en pei parey Bahrain, Saudi, kot zot in vin bann care givers zot annan training, zot annan serten serten sertifika par egzanp let’s say.
Eski sa bann sertifika pou ganny rekonnet par sa Lazans?

Ouswa zis sa sertifika ki sa i Lazans ouswa sa donnen ki pou ganny rekonnet?

trainer So, sa nou bezwen kapab ganny serten lesplikasyon lo la.

Mon osi annan serten konsern Mr Speaker, lo bann pwen dan Lalwa kot i konsern responsabilite bann home care givers en?

Pou mwan responsabilite i pa limite li en?

Nou kapab demen bomaten nou azout en responsabilite.

Me solman sa ki nou pe war la se ki zot in met sa dan body Lalwa.
Mwan mon ti ava prefere war li dan S.I kot demen bomaten si i annan additional responsibilities ki en caregiver i bezwen donnen, fasilman ou menm Minis, ou kapab fer en regilasyon e azout sa lo la.

Ouswa si ou bezwen tire e nou pa bezwen vin devan Lasanble pou al fer en travay, pou bann responsabilite.

bouz sa Enn bann keksoz pli konsernan ki mon annan Mr Speaker, se ki i an se konsern Kontra.
Now bokou fwa ler nou'n koz lo so sa Lazans Swen Home Care Agency - nou'n koz lo donn sa bann home care givers plis drwa, plis loportinite pou zot al rod loan, pou zot kapab ganny bann diferan keksoz ki zot pa ti pe gannyen.

Me annefe Mr Speaker ler mon get sa seksyon Kontra la mon pa war zot pe al ganny sa 28 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 mwan.

Akoz pou bann ki konpran the Agency concept Lazans i zis en entermedyer li.

So lazans pa donn Kontra li.


So sa dimoun pa anploye ek Lazans.

Sa dimoun ki kontyen reste anploye avek sa dimoun ki i pe donn servis.

So, zot pa'n sanz naryen la, zot zis donn en Kontra, zot zis kre en relasyon kontraktyel between sa benefisyer avek sa home care giver e ou dan milye koman entermedyer.
So bann dimoun ki konpran en pti pe bann Lalwa Agencies ki annan pou fer avek lanplwa, zot pou dir ou sa ou zis entermedyer dan milye e mon pa war kote ki sa pou al ed sa dimoun an term en loan, an- term serten responsabilite.

pou eski Sorry an term serten benefis.

Ler sa dimoun in kite annan travay employment benefits ki vin avek?

Eski sa Kontra i enn ki pou cater pou sa?

Eski pou annan konpansasyon?

Eski pou annan peyman konze, over time, bann keksoz koumsa?
So ler nou pe formalize nou bezwen formaliz li byen.

E ler nou’n dir nou pe donn sa bann dimoun sa bann benefis, nou bezwen fer sir ki Kontra i reflekte sa.

Me sa laranzman ki la, unless mwan Kontra sa mon annan, mon pe get li mal, sa Kontra pa pe fer en laranzman employer - employee relationship.

I pe en agency fer relationship Kontra.

3 parti dan sa Kontra e en parti ladan i zis en entermedyer.

Mon met ou an kontak avek sa dimoun.

So, mon krwar nou bezwen get byen sa avan nou bouze ek sa Lalwa.
2 lezot pti pwen Mr Speaker avan mon terminen, mon lot pwen an se ki konsern tranzisyon dan sa peryod Lalwa.

So eski letan nou pe get sa kantite home care givers ki annan pou nou fer training pou nou anrezistre e sa kantite beneficiaries osi ki annan, eski sa provizyon tranzisyon dan Lalwa i enn ki nou konfortab avek e ki nou krwar nou kapab achieve sa travay?

Akoz i en monumental task sa en?

Nou bezwen konfortab avek sa dan transitional Lalwa.
provision Mon dakor nou bezwen kapab allow bann dimoun ki la pou kontinyen, nou pa kapab fer zot arete e nou bezwen fer sir ki zot kontinyen, kontinyen donn sa care.

E an mezir nou assess nou ava kapab sa, me solman mon konsernen avek sa 29 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 letan transitional provision ki'n mete.
Dernyen pwen Mr Chair avan mon konklir, dan sa ki konsern sa financial assistance, i annan en kantite, kantite konplent deor la e mon krwar tou dimoun pou dakor ek mwan, sa ki lafason assessment i ganny fer.

E dayer mon'n koze lo komansman mon lentervansyon, sa ki konsern bann fanmir ki zot anvi donn home care, zot paran or zot bann dimoun avek dezabilite me zot pa kapab afford.
Or zot dan en lot sityasyon familyal kot menm dan sa sityasyon familyal i tight - very tight kot konmsi i kas leker, ‘’mon anvi ede me solman mon dan difikilte ‘’- Ou konpran?

Menm la Lazans Proteksyon Sosyal pa pe -ed mwan ek mon difikilte.

So eski bann menm weights ki pou ganny servi pou determin eligibility sa dimoun ki pe ganny benefis?

Akoz si sa Mr Speaker mon per en?

Mon per en kantite akoz mon krwar ki poudir nou pou war nou dan difikilte.
Pou annan en kantite bann fanmir pou dan difikilte e zot pou dan problenm when the assessment comes in.

Mon priye ki nou vwar en nouvo fason assess ki swa son Barthel ki swa sa Index ki zot servi pou assess bann dimoun avek problenm mantal.

Mon anvi ki nou fer en nouvo fason assessment finansyel e lezot, akoz mon krwar poudir dimoun i dan difikilte, dimoun pou ganny problem avek sa bann assessment ki nou pe fer ozordi.
Avek sa Mr Chair mon napa problenm avek prensip, me mon krwar dan sa Lalwa li menm, nou bezwen asize get byen avan nou aprouve.

Mersi bokou.

(APPLAUSE) MR SPEAKER Mersi Onorab.

Mon a pas laparol Onorab Samynadin.

HON KELLY SAMYNADIN Mersi Mr Speaker.

Bonzour Minis avek ou delegasyon.


Mr Speaker Bill pou etablir Lazans pou servis Home Care Agency avek bi pou anrezistre bann benefisyer ek travayer sa menm servis, pou e regilariz provizyon sa bann servis ensi ki bann lezot lensidans ki lye avek sa servis, in vin a en bon moman.

E ki nou ti pe espere pandan bokou lannen.


administre Ti'n plis ki ler pou nou bann home care givers ganny sa rekonesans ki zot merite e 30 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 finalman ganny anrezistre dan en lankadreman formel, pou ki zot osi zot ava kapab rezouir tou avek bann benefis ki travayer i gannyen.

Tel ki bann prosedir pou gannyen lo loans, lakaz, fasilite pou eksetera.

lwe en Mr Speaker mon pa pou long, me mon annan serten rekomandasyon ki mon ti ava kontan met devan.
Mon vreman rekonforte avek sa, me par kont mon santi ledikasyon i lankadreman bann home care givers ensi ki bann benefisyer, i vreman esansyel ki sa Lazans i kapab ariv ver son reisit lonterm, parey in deza ganny soulinyen pli boner par bann entervenan avan mwan.

Bann benefisyer i bezwen konnen e konpran ki vreman bann rol bann carers akoz parfwa sa bann travayer i santi ki zot fonksyon i ganny abize e zot ganny demande pou fer bann travay an plis ki pa dan zot manda.
E dan sa Bill anba Clause 26(1) i fer provizyon pou ki en carer ki santi ki en benefisyer pe e fonksyonnman, i kapab fayle en konplent formel an ekrir anver Lazans.

abiz son rol lo De lot kote en benefisyer ki santi ki zot osi zot pe ganny abize dan en fason ou en lot par son carer, i kapab li osi fayle son konplent.

E pou fer sa provizyon i ganny fer anba Clause 12.


Enn bann gran konsern ki'n toultan leve, se ki in napa okenn formasyon ki'n ganny donnen pou bann home care givers avan ki zot antre dan zot louvraz apard sa prosesis lanrezistreman ki mandatwar.

i annan benefisyer ki bezwen bann servis nursing, ensi ki bann lezot servis medikal tel ki physical, occupational e speech therapy, sipor nitrisyonnel e mobilite.

Mr Speaker, ensi ki omwen Nou konnen ki bann carers pa bann ners ou Dokter kalifye.
Me en konpreansyon debaz lo swen e bezwen bann benefisyer i rekomande pou ki letan zot demontre bann siny detres, zot ava kapab konnen dan ki fason ki pli apropriye pou asiste e soulaz li.

medikal Servis home care i devret travay de pre avek bann Lazans konsernen, parey servis sosyal fer provizyon pou kapab lankadreman sosyal servis medikal.

Sa i konpri servis counselling ensi ki lokasyon bann resours kominoter, pou pli byen ed a benefisyer dan son prosesis rekiperasyon.
31 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 Mr Speaker provizyon i monitoring neseser i bezwen i osi ganny fer pou garanti ki bann home care givers ki kapab donn bann servis debaz dan en fason tre efikas.

Sa i konpri sa fason ki sa bann repa i ganny prepare tou depandan lo son kondisyon medikal byensir.
Fason ki son lenz i ganny lave e drese, fason ki son lasanm oubyen son lakaz i ganny okipe, i ganny mentenir ensi ki bann prosedir sanniter ki i bezwen pas atraver tel ki son bennyen e son sanze, bann provizyon reabilitasyon ki sa benefisyer pe angaze ladan, eksetera.

Mr Speaker parey mon'n dir mon pa pou long, me avan ki mon terminen mon oule remersye Gouvernman pou garanti ki finalman rol e servis ki bann carers i donnen i ganny rekonnet.
Mon swete ki aprezan monitoring neseser i ganny fer, pou asire ki nou bann dimoun aze malad e dezabilite ki rekomann sa servis a kapab ganny asiste dan en fason pli efikas.

Pou bann carers dan Sesel e pli spesifikman dan distrik Au Cap, mon oule swet zot tou de bon dan sa nouvo parkour ki zot pe al antreprann.

Mazinen ki avan zot en travayer sa pou Lazans zot en konpanny e en zanmi bann benefisyer.

Annou akonpanny zot dan zot parkour lavi avek lanmour e konpasyon.
nou An konklizyon Mr Speaker mon oule swet ou, staff Lasanble Nasyonal mon bann koleg Onorab, Lepep Seselwa e zabitan Au Cap an zeneral en Zwaye Noel e en bon lannen 2023, ki nou a kontinyen travay ansanm dan linite e lape e ki nou a touzour met Sesel premye dan nou travay ensi ki dan nou kominote.

Avek sa Mr Speaker mon oule konfirm mon sipor anver sa Bill.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi Onorab.


Mon remersye bann Onorab ki'n koze pou gard letan fidelman e mon krwar nou a pran poz la e nou a repran travay 11er.

(BREAK) MR SPEAKER Nou a kontinyen avek deba, mon apel Onorab Esparon.

HON REGINA ESPARON Mersi Mr Speaker.

Bonzour Minis avek ou delegasyon e tou dimoun a lekout.
Mr Speaker mon pou azout mon lavwa dan sa deba, pou donn mon sipor 32 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 pou sa Mosyon ki devan nou Lasanble, pou aprouv sa Bill pou kre en Lazans pou home carers, ki pou apel Home Care Agency parey Minis fer resorti.

Ki pou zer e regilariz travay bann home carers ki donn sa swen kot lakour.
in En dot mo Mr Speaker, mon war sa Bill pe formaliz e etablir bann paramet legal e byen defini, pou ki bann carer ki pe donn sa swen kot lakour I ganny byen ankadre e ganny anrezistre.

E kot I antre lo en Kontra avek sa resipyan, e kot I pou annan sa laspe monitoring pou fer sir ki I abide ek sa Kontra ki in sinyen.

Dan Lalwa I kler Mr Speaker, me nou bezwen fer sir ki I ganny enplimante pou li marse.
E mon swe Minis, ki ler sa travayer, travay ava ganny byen ankadre e ganny byen formalize sa carer ava dan en pli bon I a ganny en pozisyon ki stabilite finansyel.

Me par kont Minis I annan konsern la deor ki fodre ganny adrese, e sa se sa zafer laz pou retrete dan sa travay.

Les mwan li en text ki mon’n gannyen pandan break, sa dimoun Minis I annan en konsern “I dir bonzour, mon pe ekout zafer carer, mon annan plis ki 15an mon pe travay carer.

Mon pa’n ganny naryen apard tou sa letan.


Ankor dan 2 mwan mon pe al ganny 60an.

Ki pou ki mon rekomanse rekomanse?

La deza mon malad mon zenou.

Si mon al rod en pti pansyon Pension Fund deza napa bokou, zot pou koupe.

Kote mon al rod mon rekour?” Sa I en konsern la deor Minis taler ou ava adrese.

Mr Speaker sa Prozedlwa I enn ki byen merite, parski dan lepase nou’n osi tann bann carer pe plennyen, ki I annan bokou lenzistis ki zot fer fas avek akoz zot en carer.
Kot zot pa ganny en loan akoz carer pa ti pe ganny konsidere koman en travay formel;- zot pa ti pe ganny okenn tann servis malgre ki I annan carer ki fer sa travay pou plis ki 20an la.

En pe parey sa dimoun in dir.

E dernyerman I annan ki ganny deprive zot konze ki’n akimile.

Kot sirtou enn ki perdi son konze ler sa kliyan ki I travay avek I mor.
Oubyen sa manman ki pe travay ek zon zanfan dezabilite, ki pa kapab pran sa konze kantmenm I monte desann pou eksplik son ka, finalman mazorite pa ganny peye zot konze.

An dot mo Mr Speaker, mon war sa Bill koman en lenstriman ki pou ede dan sa transformasyon, pou met en pe 33 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 lord dan sa zafer carer ki ti annan pa mal dezord e sirtou labi ki ti annan laba.

Mr Speaker en travay carer I devret ganny konsidere koman en travay nob.
E akoz dan plizyer ka I enn ki demann bokou limour ek pasyans pou donn sa servis.

Par fwa ou ganny carer ki bon e kliyan ki difisil.

De lot kote ou ganny carer ki parfwa pa konpran kapris sa kliyan.

E I fer li difisil pou zot konpran kanmarad, e la Mr Speaker kot I annan sa nesesite pou ki sa dimoun ki vin rod en job carer, I bezwen ganny serten training lo ki mannyer pou okip sa dimoun aze, oubyen sa pasyan malad lo lili.
E la mon kontan ki Minis in dir ki sa carer I bezwen anrezistre ek Lazans, e ganny en sertifika e sa training I enportan e sa I bon.

Akoz Mr Speaker en kantite fwa ler en dimoun pe rod en carer, e I war li dan en bezwen irzan, I pran nenport dimoun ki ariv dan son laporte.

E pli tar I ganny difikilte pou adapte, sirtou depandan lo sityasyon sa kliyan.

Mon kontan ki en bann I pou fonksyon sa Lazans kalite monitoring, monitor travay e servis ki sa carer pe donn sa kliyan.
Parski tro souvan ou tann en kantite konplent, ki I annan carer ki pe pran larzan me I pa pe fer okenn travay.

sa sa dimoun E la mon kontan ki sa Bill pe size osi adres responsabilite e output ki ekspekte ki anrezistre, pou travay avek sa kliyan.

I pou nepli mon ale bomaten, mon met en kivet delo obor li met son dite la, al en kou - dan pti 10er vin sof sa manze ki parfwa in prepare granmaten, donn li e apre disparet.

fanmir menm Mr Speaker mon pou adere ki I annan carer ki fer byen zot travay.
Ozordi I annan sa laz limit 25an pou ou fer travay carer dapre Polisi.

Me Mr Speaker mon ti a kontan dir Minis ki parfwa I annan zenn, ki mon war ki okip byen bann dimoun aze e osi I annan ki matir ki pa fer byen sa louvraz.

Konmsi la fodre nou balanse e annan sa fleksibilite parfwa.

Mr Speaker, pa tro lontan mon al vwar 2 dimoun aze lo vilaz North East Point ki ti fer mwan lapenn, ki raporte ki carer I vini bomaten zis leve benny sa madanm, pli tar 10er fini ale.

Sepourtan I travay en zournen.


E pli pir ankor I ganny fer son shopping da lodas konmisyon sa 2 vye dimoun.

34 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 E si I vin travay weekend sa 2 vye dimoun I bezwen pey li apar, e parski sa 2 dimoun I vye e enn pa mars ditou I la lo lili, zot bezwen soumet e pa dir naryen.

Akoz zot santi ki si zot koze, zot pou ganny plis pini.
Mon apresye ki enn fonksyon sa Lazans se pou ede la mon rezourd konfli, kot panse I pou fer sa atraver sa Appeals Board ki Minis in koz lo la ki pou osi kapab ekoute e rezourd okenn dispit e diskord ki arive ant carer e sa kliyan.

Sa Minis dan son larepons ava gid mwan lo la.


Mr Speaker, en sizesyon ki mon ti a kontan met devan Minis se ti pou bon ki Lazans I annan en pool of carers ki’n fini ganny trained e ki la, ki ler en dimoun pe rod en carer oubyen dan en ka irzan, Lazans ti a kapab kont lo zot parey nou dir pou degaz lasasen.

E vin ranplas sa dimoun ki swa tonm malad oubyen pa pe kapab vin travay, oubyen menm sa dimoun ki pe al konze.
Mr Speaker en lot keksoz ki ti pou bon ganny revize, se sa Barthel Index, ki ganny servi pou adres abilite pou en kliyan ganny en carer.

Akoz I annan ka parey Onorab Naidu in dir, kot ou war en dimoun ki annan merit I pa gannyen - I pa ganny en carer.

E de lot kote enn ki pa merite nou war li I gannyen, la osi mon krwar si nou pe antre dan a en nouvo letap nou devret fer en revi osi lo sa Barthel Index.
Mon ti a kontan dir mersi tou bann carer ki pe ede rann lavi nou bann dimoun aze kote lakour, pli konfortab atraver zot servis.

Avek sa de mo Mr Speaker mon pou donn mon sipor pou sa Bill pou etablir Home Care Agency.

An terminan mon ti a kontan swet tou dimoun Glacis en zwaye Noel e prosperite pou lannen 2023.

Pou mon clerk Ms Samita Pouponneau mersi pou sa travay ki ou pe fer pou ed nou donn sa servis nou bann zabitan.
DA ek bann staff dan Ladministrasyon Distrik, tou mon bann koleg MNA e staff isi kot Lasanble zwaye Noel e kouraz pou afront lannen 2023 dan prosperite.

Mersi Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER Mersi Onorab.

Mon a donn laparol Onorab Aglae.

HON EGBERT AGLAE Mersi Mr Speaker.

Bonzour Minis, PS, CEO, PS William, lot e panel antye.

Bonzour e tou Manm Onorab osi.


Mr Speaker Bill ki la devan nou I en Bill ki vreman enportan 35 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 kot I konsern kreasyon en Lazans, ki pou zer bann home carers.

E mwan mon napa problenm avek kreasyon sa lazans ki parey I annan bann lezot Lazans, ki Gouvernman in kree menm dan lepase pou kapab anmenn en pti pe - mon kapab dir - lord e osi direksyon pou bann kad ki tonm anba zot responsabilite.
Me sa ki mwan mon konsernen Mr Speaker se, serten eleman ki trouve dan sa regilasyon, dan sa Bill li menm, ki mon santi pou dir ti merit annan plizyer konsiltasyon.

E mon dir sa Mr Speaker akoz bomaten Onorab Georges, atraver ou in sit en pe lirzans sa Bill li menm li e lafason ki in fer pou li ariv la.

E mon santi poudir I pa premye Bill osi ki nou war sa lannen, ki Gouvernman in vin devan, ki’n bezwen mon kapab dir tay avek.
Me mon pou sa enn spesifik, I annan en lot konotasyon ki mon pou met lanfaz lo la, akoz kot I pe touse bann - reprezantan Lasanble e distrik - nou fer rankont avek sa bann resipyan - sa bann beneficiaries ki pou ganny anglobe dan sa Bill li menm.

ler E I annan bann konsern ki leve, zot vin ver nou, ouswa Ladministrasyon Distrik koman nou e pou adres ouswa pou nou anmenn zot konsern pli devan.
E mwan mon ti’n swete ki sa Bill li menm li, I pa’n enn ki’n bezwen pe ganny tay avek kot ti ava annan konsiltasyon, at least avek bann reprezantan ki pe ganny touse.

Ti ava annan pete bann groupman carer ki ti ava ganny en pti pe zot pwennvi lo la, bann ki pe benefisye avek sa servis osi, ti kapab met zot servis zot pwennvi.

E osi nou pa bliy osi bann platform bann NGOs osi, petet atraver CEPS osi, akoz I annan en laspe swen ek care e nou koz bokou lo la.
E mon’n tann in tonm lo koz lo labi, savedir si zot in dir I annan labi I kapab osi dan en labi kot I konsern swen e mank responsabilite.

So, mon ti a swete ki sa ti ava ganny anmennen avan ki Bill li menm final I vin devan Lasanble, pou ganny aprouve.

Me mon konpran konsern ki zot annan se zot anvi komans sa Lazans, akoz Bidze in ganny mete pou 2023.
Me Minis, Minis mon santi poudir pou annan bann eleman ki zot pou bezwen apre vwar si pou bezwen fer lamannman dan Bill, zot pou bezwen fer, zot pou bezwen retourn devan Lasanble akoz I annan serten keksoz ki pa kler ladan.

36 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 Mon pou koman koumsa Mr Speaker.

Premyerman Minis nou bezwen konpran carer I pa en travay ki fasil.
E osi kalite dimoun ki atrakte ek en louvraz carer, avek son eleman saler ki atas avek, I pa neseserman bann dimoun ki - mon pou kapab dir - nou pe get zot o dan lasosyete dan en sans.

I en servis ki neseser;- en servis ki bezwen vin avek leker, e konpasyon ek en souvan fwa mon admir serten bann dimoun ki pe fer sa bann travay.

E la mon pou felisit bann ki pe kontinyen fer li.

Akoz nou war pou dir sa servis, sa travay parfwa I anmenn en kantite lanmertim avek.
E letan mon pe dir kalite dimoun, nou war poudir swen - e ler mon pe regard sirtou bann dimoun ki en pti pe pli aze ki pe travay koman carer - ou war zot kot zot doue, konpare avek en zenn;- menm si I annan zenn ki pe fer li byen - a konpare avek en zenn li menm.

Ki petet li in war ki sa en loportinite pou li kapab ganny en saler ouswa en lanplwa in pran sa louvraz.

Me selman petet sa bagaz, sa lentere I pa neseserman I la.

Nou vwar sa In arive.

So, nou bezwen regard keksoz dan sa konteks osi.


pou nou kapab konpran en pti gin travay ki carer I bezwen fer an relasyon osi avek sa ki pe benefisye ek sa servis.

E dan Bill li menm li I fer bann referans.

Par egzanp nou dir nou bezwen konpran en dimoun ki bezwen en carer akoz I annan en problenm medikal, i pa parey menm swen ki I pou resevwar konpare avek en dimoun ki bezwen carer ki annan li en dezabilite dan en sans en lendikapman.
Menm parey avek en dimoun ki bezwen carer ki petet li baze lo son laz ki in arive, I kapab marse, me selman I ganny problenm dyabet ouswa petet tansyon I ganny soulezon, I ganny bann pti malez.

Me selman I mobil li - I kapab bouze - I kapab fer serten keksoz, me selman I pa kapab al obor dife.

Dokter I dir li pa al obor dife.

Ouswa pa bezwen al dan soley, pa bezwen al lave bann keksoz koumsa.

So, I bann diferan - mon kapab dir - klasifikasyon kot I konsern travay carer ki nou pran kont lo la.
So baze lo sa osi Lazans dan son formasyon I pou bezwen osi pran bann eleman, kot I bezwen annan sa balans.

Letan I pou apply ouswa in sertifye sa dimoun pou travay koman carer, i bezwen konnen pou dir si mon pe plas si pa fanmir ki’n rod sa, se 37 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 Lazans ki pe provide I pou bezwen osi pran kont pou dir sityasyon laba kot mon pe al travay, sa anvoy sa carer dimoun ki mon pe anvoye I kapab ale pou get sa dimoun ki annan sa dezabilite.
sa enn Ouswa ki bedridden, eski I pou kapab pou benny li, pou sanz sa pampers pou fer tou sa ki I neseser?

So, tousala I bann eleman ki I bezwen ganny reflekte lo la.

E se sa ki ler mon pe dir pou dir ti konsiltasyon neseser annan avek sa 2 parti se pou adres serten sa bann konsern ki pou kapab leve.

I neseser, Lot eleman ki mon pou touse lo la Mr Speaker, se letan pou part 3 Bill li menm li - Lartik 6 kot pou donn sertifika, rezistrasyon.
Mon ti a kontan bann leklersisman lo la Minis, akoz letan ou pe finalman donn en dimoun sertifika, I bezwen pas dan en prosesis parey ou’n komans nonmen.

E osi ou’n fer mansyon ladan ki ou pou bezwen donn sa dimoun, si ou refiz li ou pa donn li en sertifika, ou pou bezwen donn li bann rezon osi pou pa donn li, pou en laplikasyon.

li kalifye So, baze lo sa Minis lekel li, lekel ki pou annan sa oversight li menm li, ok?
Pou kapab vwar pou dir desizyon ki’n ganny pran pou mwan pa donn ou, I fair ouswa desizyon pou mwan donn ou osi I fair.

So, mon krwar nou bezwen etablir sa.

Lot bout ki mon ti a kontan petet kot I konsern, ou’n koz fees, charges and fees.

Eski ou pe dir nou pou dir ler mwan mon pe vin anrezistre, pou annan en larzan ki mon pou bezwen peye osi?

E eski sa endividi, ouswa sa beneficiaries ki si mwan mon’n vin demande mon bezwen en carer, Mon pe anvoy entel, madanm x ouswa msye y pou vin fer carer.
Sa lobligasyon peyman I tonm lo ki?

Mon ti a kontan sa konnen beneficiaries ouswa sa carer li menm ki pe vin anrezistre lo li menm, ki bezwen peye ok?

si En lot pwen Mr Speaker lo kote bann dues, akoz carer li menm li son package I pa en package ki atraktan li, ok?

Si ou pe fer half day ouswa full day, mon pa konnen si pou annan bann sanzman apre ki Lalwa in pase pou annan regilasyon ki pou ganny mete, pou sanz en pe ler travay si nou pou kontinyen apel li half day, si nou pou kontinyen apel li full day.
a ti Mon kontan leklersisman lo sa.

Me selman kot I konsern bann dues, ozordi mannyer carer pe ganny pe 38 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 ankadre, zot pa neseserman pe swiv sa employment Act à la lettre.

Ok?

Enn konsern bann Onorab ki’n koz avan mwan, Onorab Esparon mon krwar in tous en bout ladan se ou annan bann dimoun ki’n travay carer for so many years.
I annan ki’n travay ek - parey dan mon distrik I annan - I annan ki’n travay avek papa, papa I mor I al travay avek manman I fer plis ki 15an.

E then manman I mor, e ler I fini sa 15an servis ki li in donnen koman en carer I pa benefisye dan naryen li.

E menm si I annan konze, menm si I al demande pou pey li son konze zot dir li non!

Me lo en baz konpasyon mon swete ki, si pou annan bann lamannman ki pou’n ganny mete dan Lalwa, me Lalwa pa ankor pase.
Me selman lo en baz konpasyon nou bezwen osi mazinen pou dir be look, sa dimoun in travay 15an petet I annan 100 zour konze ki reste li, petet I ava vin koman en pti gratwite pou li.

Pey li sa konze ki zot dwa.

E li I ava move on dan en lot travay si I ankor kapab travay.

So, sa I bann refleksyon ki nou mon krwar koman en Lasanble nou bezwen mazinen.

Pa zis dir sa dimoun non, ok.?

Lot pwen ki mon anvi met devan se Lartik 11, ok?

Lartik 11 kot I konsern allocation of home care givers, ok?
E ladan mon konnen parfwa I annan dimoun ki annan son kapris, ok?

Sirtou bann dimoun ki en pe a laz, zot annan zot kapris e pa nenport ki dimoun ki zot le travay avek zot, ok?

E si pa fanmir ki’n rode e menm si parfwa fanmir ki rod sa carer, I annan parfwa bann tirayman ouswa bann pti komisyon ki arive.

E ou fer resorti dan Lartik 11 (1) se kot ou koz lo refusal, from beneficiaries.
So, ki arive dan bann lenstans ki a detrwa repriz I annan bann refusal ki arive, eski nou zis dir nou pou bezwen dir apre 2 fwa, 3 fwa ki ou’n refize, mon pa pou donn ou.

Savedir ou pa bezwen carer, si ou pe refize sa nou bezwen kler lo la.

Mon ti a kontan konnen.

E osi ou’n anmenn en dimoun la, ouswa in ganny en dimoun ki pe travay ki apre I annan serten lenstans - mon konnen pou annan bann sipervizyon ki pou ganny fer.

Sa resipyan li menm li a pa tonm annakor ek sa ki in gannyen li, ok?
I pa tonm annakor avek sa ki in gannyen, e la dan ou Lalwa 39 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 osi ou fer resorti pou dir pou annan dispute resolution ki ou pou fer.

Me selman mon konsernen mwan.

Ki kalite mechanism ki ou pou servi ouswa ki zot pou etablir, pou kapab resolve sa bann pti dezagreman, dispute resolution?

Akoz ou fer kler osi dan Lalwa pou dir Lazans I pa pou liable for any lofans ki pou anmenn - ouswa any criminal proceeding dan en sans.
Okenn ka ki pou anmenn ankour responsab.

Me lazans pa selman Lazans li I anvi antre dan between dispute beneficiaries and recipient.

So, la pou mwan I annan en pti pe de-balans la, lo ki mannyer zot pou fer sa, si zot pou set up en Komite ouswa en pti form en pti Tribinal, ouswa zot pou servi petet serten Tribinal ki egziste.

Pou kapab get sa bann conflict dispute resolution ki kapab egziste anba Lalwa, ok?

Lot pwen Mr Speaker kot I konsern offences and penalties en.
Petet leksplikasyon Minis mon ti a kontan gannyen, ou’n dir poudir si en dimoun I refize anrezistre koman en home carer I pa pou kapab donn en servis home carer, ok?

Mwan pou mwan la I mon pa pou dir I vin en diktatir dan en sans, en lapros diktatir, akoz I kapab annan fanmir ki annan mwayen li menm li, I kapab rod en dimoun.

Li sa dimoun I dir be mwan mon pare, lontan mon pe travay la kot msye, kot madanm mon pe donn li son care e mon pa anvi anrezistre.
Eski ou pou deny li pou li pa fer, eski I pou ilegal dan en sans, eski I pou bezwen war li pe al fer fas avek ek lazistis la, pou li si I pa’n anvi vreman vin devan pou anrezistre li?

Sa I enn bann konsern.

E osi baze lo sa osi, dan fanmir nou konnen ozordi I annan bann zanfan ki pare e ki in arive - pe arive - zot kit zot travay ki zot ti pe fer pou travay avek zot paran, ok?

Dan mon distrik I annan - mon konnen bokou distrik I annan bann legzanp parey kot I kit en saler petet R12mil, R14mil.
I dir ok, son manman li ki’n met lo later in fer li grandi in ariv la, I enn son devwar sivik pou li al ed son paran.

So, I aret travay pou li ganny zis forse R5mil a R6mil.

Baze lo sa ankor si li I war pou dir I pa anvi anrezistre, eski ou pou deny li sa sans pou li travay paran?

Tousala.

avek son MR SPEAKER 15 minit Onorab.

40 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 HON EGBERT AGLAE Mon pou terminen Mr Speaker.

Ouswa dan fanmir li menm I annan ki pe kontribye met larzan ansanm.
I dir be ou travay avek mon manman pa bezwen al rod sa larzan laba kot Home Care Agency.

Mon ki pe pey ou, eski I pou ilegal pou li fer sa travay?

Mon anvi konnen tousala.

E pou terminen Mr Speaker, letan nou pe koz lo larzan li menm li.

Minis eski a en pwen la, pou annan en sort of means testing ki ler en dimoun bann nouvo laplikan, ouswa zot pe al review the whole home carer ki la ozordi, avek zot beneficiaries pou zot pas dan en prosedir, pou al ver sa ki nou apel means testing zot.
Pou gete si vre zot bezwen e si zot pou bezwen fer serten kontribisyon osi.

Akoz letan mon pe get lapant Bill, ou a dir Gouvernman pe vin komanse poudir en I kontribisyon ki fanmir I bezwen fer.

E lot bout Gouvernman I ava mete baze lo serten bann paramet ki pou ganny set dan Lalwa.

annan be So, annou vin kler avek sa Bill.

E se sa ki mon ti dir I ti neseser annan konsiltasyon.

E konsiltasyon pa’n arive me, letan Bill pou vin an mars I pou’n assent, se la ki osi pou annan bann konsern ki pou leve.
E annou pa prezan, prezan nou bezwen met saret devan sa bef prezan pou nou a. Si nou ti’n fer li dan en lot fason petet ti ava annan en lot laliny ki nou ti kapab pran.

Mersi.

(APPLAUSE) MR SPEAKER Mersi Onorab.

Mon a pas laparol Onorab Loze.

HON JOHAN LOZE Mersi Mr Speaker.

Mr Speaker si I annan en dimoun ki kontan koz lo lentansyon par deryer Bill is dan Lasanble, se mwan.
E souvan mon’n pran en lapros kot mon’n fer kler ki mon pou siporte ouswa mon pa pou siport en Bill, baze lo ki mwan mon panse in lentansyon par deryer en Bill.

E en keksoz ki mon pou bezwen dir ozordi, mon’n enterakte avek panel yer e en keksoz ki mon’n konpran se ki I annan en kantite travay ki’n ganny fer deza.

En ta louvraz in ganny fer.


E personnelman mon pa’n kapab detect ki zot annan okenn move lentansyon, zot annan bon lentansyon dan sa 41 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 ki zot pe sey fer.

Be a la menm enstan, mon santi ki zot en pe depase par sa travay ki devan zot.

E I annan en kantite keksoz dan Bill ki yer nou’n I annan asize nou diskite, keksoz ki nou’n detekte keksoz ki nou menm nou’n met devan, ki pa ankor fini kwi si ou kapab dir.

Bill I pa konplet.
Bill I pa konplet.

Mon konnen I annan nou, nou anvi asize sant leloz e dir ki lala Gouvernman in anmenn en solisyon final, I parfe, be mwan pou kosyonn zot pou pa pran sa direksyon, akoz nou pou bezwen akonpanny kanmarad ankor lannen prosenn, sa Bill pou retournen li.

Sa Bill pou ganny amande e sa Bill pou retourn devan Lasanble.

So, mon kosyon se ki annou pa pran nou en pozisyon pou nou dir avek Gouvernman Bill I parfe, tou keksoz I parfe.
Avan ti annan zis dezord la lord pe ganny mete, e apre lannen prosenn ou vwar nou menm nou pe bezwen fer lamannman dan Bill.

Sa semenn nou travay in en pe an sursaut, akoz nou vwar nou pe - Bill I Gazette lavey e nou, nou pe legislate Bill lannmen.

Sa in en pe flavor of the week pou nou isi dan Lasanble e avek ou konsey e ou gidans Mr Speaker, en keksoz ki Gouvernman pou bezwen aret fer se, fer transformasyon apre aport konsiltasyon.

anmenn Zot bezwen konsilte avan.


Zot bezwen fer konsiltasyon apre sa transformasyon ki zot, zot santi zot anvi war.

Zot santi zot anvi fer.

Parske si non Mr Speaker, I annan dimoun nou pe asiz la anndan nou pe dir nenport kwa nou.

nou I annan nou pe koz lo carers, I annan nou pe dir sa carers I anploye ek sa Lazans.

Nou realize Manm nou menm nou, fo pe lenformasyon dimoun deor.

So, carers li kot I pe asize, ti’n bezwen ganny konsilte.
I ti’n bezwen ganny met azour avek si zot agree ou si zot pa agree avek sa ki dan Lalwa.

donn Akoz la I annan en kantite keksoz ki Manm pe dir carer I dan Lalwa, be ki pa dan Lalwa.

Enn bann keksoz ki kler dan Lalwa si nou lir Bill nou war, ki carer I pe vin end contractor li.

I pa pe al ganny anploye parey bokou nou pe sey fer konpran.

Mon konpran nou ki nou pe sey dir.


‘’A home care giver shall for the purpose of this Act be an independent service provider.’’ I byen napa naryen mal avek, be selman we need to be careful.

Nou pa pe kapab kre en konfizyon par sey fer en 42 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 carer krwar ki I pe al ganny anploye.

E mwan Mr Speaker mon pa pe fer deba lo sa ki lezot manm pe dir, mon pa pe fer deba lo deba mon pe prefere fer mon deba lo Lalwa parey I ete.
Parey mon’n dir mon’n enterakte avek panel yer.

E enn bann keksoz ki mon ti anvi souleve se anba contract 12 (5).

‘’ Minister may prescribe terms and condition that will apply to the provision of home care and which terms and conditions shall be deemed to be part of every contract.’’ Minis I pou fer sa atraver Board li?

I pou ekrir Lazans fer sa atraver Board, so mon ti a kontan sa I ganny eksplike akoz kot I ete la in ganny mete anba contracts li menm.
So, ennler ou ganny lenpresyon petet I kapab lenterferans dan annan en kontra direkteman.

So prezan further lo sa vi nou pe set up en lazans atraver en morso Lezislasyon.

12 (5) Minister under contracts, nou pe set up en Lazans anba en morso Lezislasyon mon pou tante pou demande, eski sa I I responsabilite Minis, eski responsabilite fonksyon Minis?

E eski nou anvi ekspoz Minis to that degree?


e Dernyen fwa mon’n koz koumsa, I annan en Minis ti dir mwan la devan I ti asize i ti dir ‘be Minis nou pran mwan responsabilite, nou fer nou aksyon”.

Well, li I ti konpar sa avek bann Minis avan, mwan mon ti pe koz lo Gouvernman leta Sesel, pa Gouvernman LDS ouswa Gouvernman US.

E toultan mon konsernen the level of exposure that we give Ministers dan lafason ki nou word bann morso I ti Lezislasyon.
Now, eski neseser la dan 12(5) to expose the Minister avek en keksoz ki klerman ennitil.

Ou’n set up en Lazans ou annan en Board, ou annan en CEO prezan li Minis li ki I pou vin dir?

I en pti pe an tro sa enn, it’s a bit extra.

I annan en lot keksoz mon ti’n point out akoz.

Mr Speaker mon napa bokou vreman en, ‘’ar wi 29 (b) Mr Speaker moneys accruing to the Agency from its operations or other payments.’’ Mon ti pe wonder be ki loperasyon ki zot pou fer zot ki pou al anmas larzan?
Akoz mon pa’n konpran sa bout I posib ki mwan ki mal, me selman mon pa’n konpran si I annan loperasyon vreman ki zot pou fer ki pou anmas larzan.

So, si sa ti ava ganny eklersi please, ok.?

legal Protection against proceedings e la zot in fer kler 43 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 dan 32, “a civil or criminal liability shall not lie against the Agency.
The Chairperson, the Vice-Chairperson a member of the Board, a committee, staff or officer of the Agency in respect of an Act done or omitted to be done in good faith in the exercise or performance or purported exercise or performance” be zot, zot pe antre dan en three-way contracts zot.

Zot asiz dan milye ant en kontra ant benefisyer avek sa carer ki provide sa servis.

Prezan zot met en clause kot zot lav zot lanmen e swiy zot labous prop kot zot, zot pa pran okenn liabilities zot.
Selman zot ki asiz dan sa 2 parties.

The milye the service beneficiary and provider.

So okenn keksoz ki arive, enn ant sa 2 I deranz leren swa sa carer I larg Nenn Dada ater I deranz son leren dan bathroom, swa Nenn Dada I en pti pe byen portan.

Carer I deranz leren dan pe lev Nen Dada lo lili, fini lav zot lanmen zot - pa ladan!

So, I annan en kestyon ki leve la.

E zot ava notice mwan mon bann kestyon ki mon pe leve I strikteman baze sa ki mon pe trouv dan Lalwa, mon pa pe port okenn lakizasyon.
Mon pe zis sers serten leklersisman pou esey avan sa nou en pe pli devan.

I dir ou “the Agency Pli devan anba 3(2) in dir shall ou li administer and manage home care and shall be accountable to the Board established under 21.” e apre pli tar ou ale ou tonm dan sa zafer anba contracts kot the Minister.

So, mon ti a kontan si zot donn en pti pe leklersisman.

Now, this being said I annan ankor keksoz ladan ki en pe konsyansye ki mwan mon santi.
Me selman zot bezwen zot Lalwa, e nou bezwen azir koman en parti responsab e kontribye anver devlopman e lavansman pei.

So, mon pa santi I nou rol ozordi at the eleventh hour apre ki zot in Gazette Bill lavey pou pas lannmen, pou nou asize, rod lipou lo ponm zounou, zis akoz nou anvi fer deba lo deba dan Lasanble.

So, Mr Speaker mon pou rest avek sa 2 pti parol ki mon’n dir.

E Minis mon a war ou lannen prosen at some point letan ou retourn kot nou.
E ou vin amann Lalwa pou benefis pei, e sa 2 group dimoun ki sa Lalwa pe catered for.

Thank you very much Mr Speaker.

(APPLAUSE).

44 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 MR SPEAKER Mersi Onorab, mon a donn laparol Onorab Sandy Arissol.

HON SANDY ARISSOL Mersi Mr Speaker.

Bonzour tou dimoun ki a lekout, spesyalman bann carer ek bann dimoun aze ki pe swiv nou a parti medya.
Mr Speaker mon ti a kontan komanse par dir mersi Minis avek ou lekip, ki’n travay lo en Prozedlwa menm si parey nou pe ganny dir en pti pe vitman, vitman - en pe an tayan, an tayan, selman omwen I annan en landrwa ki nou’n kapab komanse.

E mon pou ankouraze si lannen prosenn I annan okenn lamannman ki ganny fer, si I nouvo okenn annan propozisyon, silvouple anmennen - anmenn kot Lasanble.

I nou rol koman Lezislater pou nou kapab met annord.
Mwan mon pou ankouraze parske at least nou ava pe ankadre nou bann carers byen, e pou asire ki nou bann dimoun aze I ganny sa swen e sa bezwen ki zot anvi.

I annan okenn So, si lamannman, fer I pa pou premye Lalwa ki nou pou amande.

I pa pou fer premyer Lalwa ki pou annan S.I, I pa pou fer premyer Lalwa ki pou annan lamannman.

So, anmennen an tout senserite, parske nou bezwen fer sir ki nou kapab travay lo sa bann Lalwa e asire ki sa ki nou pe fer I annakor avek manda ki annan.
Dezyenmman mon ti a kontan remersye bann travayer kot sosyal mon annan Mrs Linda William ki asiz la devan;- letan nou pe koz lo carer zisteman ti annan en sityasyon kot mon ti bezwen call Mrs William en Dimans bomaten.

I pa ti lo emergency line sa, ti lo son laliny personnel.

landrwa pou Mon ti call li e deswit atraver son bann kontak ki I ti annan, nou ti kapab ed sa dimoun aze, ki zisteman ti pe pas atraver en form labi.
E osi PS Roucou ki ti la nou ti kapab ankadre sa dimoun e met li dan en li kapab soutenir li pandan detrwa zour ziska son sityasyon ti amelyore.

Alor mon ti a kontan remersi Mrs Linda William avek ou lekip, PS Roucou pou travay e sipor ki zot kontinyen donn nou koman Manm Lasanble e osi bann dimoun dan distrik ki letan nou bezwen zot nou tap zot laport.
E a tou moman en Dimans en konze piblik zot toultan pare, pou ed nou dan sa bann fer an demars ki nou pe 45 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 relasyon avek sa size ki nou pe koz lo la.
Mr Speaker mon ti a kontan letan nou pe koz lo konsiltasyon, in annan plizyer konsiltasyon parske ler mwan mon ti pe fer letour dan distrik Bel Ombre pou konpanny eleksyon, letan ou koz ek dimoun dan Dimans apre lanmes, ler ou ganny bann phone call ki dir ek ou poudir mon pe al mon konze mon napa personn pou kit avek mon manman, ki mon fer?

Letan ou zwenn madanm Lebon Bel Ombre ki dir ek ou I bezwen rod en dimoun pou kit son manman, me avek malerezman ti annan enn ki ti vini.
I vin 9er ler midi I ale, lannmen I call ou I dir ou I pa kapab son leren I fermal.

So in annan en kantite konsiltasyon e dimoun dan diferan fason direkteman or endirekteman, zot in fer serten - zot in pas serten mesaz avek nou koman politisyen, oubyen avek nenport ki dimoun an relasyon avek sityasyon bann carers.

Parfwa bann carers menm in vin kot nou, pou adres serten size.
I annan en kantite size in leve an relasyon konze, an relasyon avek zot saler ki zot gannyen, an relasyon avek labank parey nou’n tande.

Me sa I bann konsern ki’n vin devan.

I pa vedir ki sa Bill pou adres tousala li, I pa vedir sa Bill pa dir sa pou adres tousala.

Me sa Bill I ava annan son bout ki li I ava al avek, I ava annan son bout ki ava tras en semen touzour.

I ava annan sa bout ki ava gid en pe bann carers ki zot pou fer.
E pou ki nou ava swiv e avek bann lezot lamannman ki ava vin avek, firamezir si I ava annan oubyen lezot keksoz ki nou a kapab fer.

Me ki bann konplent ki in annan letan nou dan sa konsiltasyon ki nou’n annan?

letan Par egzanp dimoun I kontinyen demann ou lekel dimoun, lekel bann dimoun aze carer?

Eski ki ganny en otomatikman Sandy Arissol I ganny 63an ozordi, I ganny konsidere koman en trwazyenm-az alor otomatikman I ganny en carer?
Eski akoz Sandy Arissol I annan 63an, otomatikman I devret ganny en carer?

Oubyen letan Sandy Arissol in ganny 63an son carer pe met en pe diri, pe lav son lenz, Sandy li 7.30 laport Amusement Center pou li al zwe kan Amusement Center I ouver 10er bomaten?

apiy pe I 46 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 I Eski Sandy Arissol devret, I merit en carer?

Sa bann kestyon ki dimoun in demann nou.

Lekel ki devret ganny carer, ou konpran?


Lezot kestyon ki dimoun in demann nou lekel ki vin en carer prezan pou Sandy Arissol?

Eski en dimoun ki nou anmase dan bor semen, nou dir ek li ou pe rod en louvraz vini, vini zisteman la ou a ganny en lokipasyon pou ou.

I annan Sandy laba gete ki mannyer ou kapab organiz li, okip li laba en kou.

in Eski gannyen sa bann kalite dimoun?


Oubyen ozordi sa ki letan dimoun pe demande, nou’n fer sa konsiltasyon;- Eski sa dimoun ki vin en carer, eski I annan serten lankadreman.

Eski serten formasyon?

Eski I annan serten lentelizans an relasyon avek ki kalite manze I kwi, si Sandy Arissol I dyabetik?

- si Sandy Arissol I en dimoun ki son tansyon I reste o pa desann?

Si Sandy Arissol I en bedridden I bezwen vire lo lili, pas son sudocrem pou li pa ganny bedsore.
Ankadre li byen avek en pe lapoud, vir li detanzaot parske sirkilasyon pa pe … Eski?

Sa ki bann kestyon ki dimoun in demann nou an relasyon avek sa konsiltasyon, ki letan nou’n fer.

In annan konsiltasyon.

Se pou sa rezon ki mon konn en pe sa bann demars, ok?

Pou konnen si kote pou pas en pe plis lapoud, pou kote ki reste sofe, kote ki pa ouver, I annan.

Be kote- Tousala kestyon ki dimoun I demande ozordi, lekel bann dimoun ki vin en carer swa pou en madanm oubyen pou en msye?
Me Tousala I bann kestyon in ki’n pase, ki dimoun demande.

ozordi Gouvernman in vin avek en keksoz, deza ptipti pou nou kapab omwen komans en landrwa.

Pou nou dir annou komans en landrwa, pou nou get aprezan kwa ki nou kapab mete.

Zis parey letan nou annan en poul, nou’n aste pou fer rezon pou gete ki nou pou fer avek sa poul la.

Si nou pou fer en pti stew, nou bezwen fer sir nou annan en pti ponmdeter, legim ou nou annan annan son lasos ki vin avek.
lezot So, sa bann pti keksoz bann pti ankadreman I ava vini an rezilta avek bann travay ki nou pe fer.

Kestyon ki dimoun I demande dan sa konsiltasyon Mr Speaker, se eski carer ozordi I en travay, oubyen ava en kontra ki pou, oubyen en servis ki dimoun I donnen ozordi letan nou pe koze.

47 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 Si I 7er, 3er oubyen 8er- 4er.

Be si Sandy Arissol I travay lotel Beau Vallon Bay par egzanp, son kar travay ozordi I 3er-11er bomaten in okip son papa li.
Mon’n okip mon papa bomaten, parski mon ti kot lakaz.

Be ler mon pou al travay Beau Vallon Bay Le Canton restoran apartir 3er-11er, lekel ki reste avek mon papa?

Eski carer I bezwen zis en zafer zis 8er-4er?

Tousala I bann konsiltasyon.

I bann kestyon ki dimoun in demande nou.

Eski pa in ler pou nou revize par egzanp.

Pou nou annan diferan kalite servis.

Eski letan nou pe koze ozordi, anmezir nou annan konplent lo carers, eski ozordi dan pei nou annan plizyer Seselwa ki’n annan carer etranze?
Sa osi dimoun pe demann nou.

Eski mwan mon pa anvi ganny problenm ankor avek Seselwa.

Parski ler I vini I pran mon lavyann dan fridge I al avek, I kont mon bag.

I aste enn an kwiv la kot soz, I pran I met dan mon bwat I fer krwar i reste 15 menm.

Sa enn mon konnen I annan 14 ki lor avek en 15enm ki kwiv, I krwar mon pa konnen in pran in met dan son ledwa I al avek.

Mon pa oule li I vin ankor, parski ler I get mon diven laba dan mon boutey diven, I bwar en pe apre I ranpli li ek delo.
I anmenn li zis lo son mark kot in fini ti ete, pou mwan pa remarke.

Ler I koup mon lavyann, I koup ankor an 4 I koup ankor an 2.

Li I ganny en kilo ladan e I kwi en liv pou mwan.

So, eski dimoun pe demande, eski ozordi I kapab fer vini swa en Filipino ouswa en Bangladeshi, swa en Franse, swa en Angle.

Pou travay avek son vye dimoun aze, parski I pa anvi ganny problenm.

I Tousala bann kestyon dan konsiltasyon, ki dimoun in demann nou an relasyon avek sa size nou pe koz lo la ozordi.
E letan mon lo la Mr Speaker, mon bezwen profite pou nou felisit - nou annan plizyer ki’n bann responsab dan zot travay.

carers Zot in fer bann louvraz nob.

Letan nou annan en pti group ki’n mal onnet.

Be par kont nou annan plizyer bann carers ki’n fer bann louvraz ekselan.

Parey Onorab Regina in dir, parey Onorab Aglae in dir - I annan bann dimoun ki’n travay 15an, 20an dan sa profesyon.

Ou konpran?

Ki arive avek zot?


Letan mon lo sa size nou annan bann manman ki’n vwar li pri, akoz I annan en zanfan 48 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 I bann dezabilite.

Tousala kestyon ki nou demande.

Tousala I bann konsiltasyon ki’n arive dan nou pei an relasyon avek sa size ki nou pe koze.

E pou mwan sa size ki nou pe koze Mr Speaker - I en size sitan - I en pe sansib dan son fason.

Me I enportan parski nou pe adres size bann dimoun aze, dimoun ki bezwen carer mon repete.
Pa akoz otomatikman ou’n ganny ou laz, ou bezwen en carer, non!

Me bann dimoun ki bezwen sa lasistans, pou li kapab ganny asiste an relasyon avek sa.

lo la Letan mon la Mr Speaker mon kontan dan I Prozedlwa ki anmennen, lo sa Kontra annan seksyon12 kekfwa Minis a kapab donn nou en pti gin dan sa Kontra.

Egzakteman kwa ki enplike, parski si mon ki pe ekoute deor mon a dir ok dan sa Kontra I kapab … I ava enteres mwan.
kekfwa Parski toultan mon’n anvi vin en carer be laz in en sa problenm, ki mannyer I vin en problenm.

Kekfwa dan sa demars dan seksyon 12an relasyon avek Kontra I ava kapab eklersi mwan.

I ete Apre letan mon’n tann plizyer bann manm in koz an relasyon avek sipervizyon.

Dan seksyon 14 I koz sipervizyon ozordi, dan Lalwa I annan sipervizyon I la.
Sa I en keksoz ki’n manke dan lepase, ki’n fer ki labi in agrandi e apre tou dimoun nou’n kriy lasasen e nou anvoy sa lo Sosyal, oubyen nou anvoy sa kot Lafanmir oubyen nou anvoy sa partou.

Me sipervizyon mon vwar in ganny catered anba seksyon 14, ki mon krwar I en bout enportan.

Parey nou tou nou ti annan sa kontan lontan, pase madanm ‘’Bonzour msye, madanm mon supervisor mon sorti kot Carer.

Mon supervisor mon vin gete entel in arive?’’ letan I ‘’Non, I pa ankor vini!
I dir mwan I dan bis 9er.’’ Selman in ariv 11 edmi, I pe desann dan bis 9er li.

Selman ariv 11edmi I pa ankor arive menm li.

Supervisor I pase I note parski ti annan bann swivi ki ti ganny fer.

E mon kontan la anba seksyon 14 sa pe ganny catered for.

Apre sa ki mon’n kontan anba seksyon 28 I annan bann lofans, parey mon’n tann onorab Aglae dir si mon pa anvi anrezistre, alor mon deside selman al pran travay avek en madanm Takamaka.

Ou pa kapab vin anrezistre.


bezwen ou 49 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 Parski si dan travay laba I ariv ou en keksoz oubyen sa madanm i ganny en keksoz apre ki ou fer, ou tay kot Gouvernman?

Non.

Si ou anvi drive lo semen piblik ou bezwen annan en proper driving license, ou bezwen fer sir ou road tax I ganny peye e ou loto I asire.

Ou pa kapab akoz ou fer vini en gro Mercedes sorti Abu Dhabi ou’n gannyen dan pri, alor desann lo trotwar anvil pase blok semen kot Lorloz, non!
I bezwen ganny fer dapre lalwa annord e drwat.

Sa ki mwan mon krwar ladan.

E tousala in ganny cater Mr Speaker.

E en kantite keksoz in ganny dir, alor ankor enn fwa mon ava aret la e mon a les lezot manm ki anvi dir en pti dan keksoz.

Kekfwa Committee Stage nou a kapab demann serten leklersisman.

ti a Me selman mon kontan si Minis I kapab pas en pti pe an relasyon avek sa Kontra.

E mon ti a fini lo la Minis.

I annan en kantite konsern ki’n ganny leve.


Parey mon ti dir avek reprezantan Finans en fwa ler zot ti la, mon ti kontan ti annan sa leksplikasyon ki zot ti pe donnen lo medya I ti ava enportan si zot osi atraver zot Minister, atraver zot PR ki zot donn kontinyen annan donn lenformasyon; lenformasyon nou pep, donn lenformasyon bann carers ki la, ki ti a kontan reste; donn lenformasyon lezot dimoun ki ti a kontan zwenn en carer.
bann E osi pou asire ki bann dimoun aze zot osi zot pe swiv, pou zot osi konnen pou dir ‘‘Ar ler ou vin la ou pa sipoze ris mon zorey ou, non, non sa pa dir dan nou Kontra sa.’’ Sa dimoun aze osi I ava konnen anba ki I pe anbarke ou ki osi son lavenir, son sekirite koman sa dimoun aze I ganny respekte.

Mon ava aret la Mr Chair, mersi bokou.

(APPLAUSE) MR SPEAKER Mersi Onorab.

Bon, mon annan 4 Manm ki’n leve lanmen apre premye group ki ti lev lanmen, mon pou akord zot 10 minit maximum.
Pa bezwen pran tou, e mon a termin avek zot.

E apre si bann Leaders I oule adrese zot a kapab adrese.

Onorab Woodcock.

HON WAVEL WOODCOCK Mersi bokou Mr Speaker.

Mr Speaker sa Seychelles Home Care Agency Bill I en Bill ki long overdue.

Sa Lalwa parey plizyer in eksplike ki bann Manm 50 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 devan se pou etablir en kad legal, en Lazans ki pou ankadre bann carers - Bann home care givers ek zot bann recipient and beneficiaries.
Sa Lazans parey in ganny dir se pou resevwar - I sa Lazans ki pou resevwar tou laplikasyon pou carers.

Tou dimoun ki anvi vin en carer pou bezwen anrezistre avek sa Lazans.

Sa Lazans i pa pou non selman anrezistre bann carers, me pou osi anrezistre bann dimoun ki pe ganny servis, ki pe ganny sa bann swen avek sa bann home care givers.

E petet sa bout pli enportan dan sa Bill, I sa bout ki koz lapwentman bann monitoring officers pou monitor servis ki bann carers I donnen.
Mon pa pou al detay ladan, Onorab Arissol in fer vreman kler enn de bann defi.

I vre I annan bann carer fantastik dan nou pei e mon krwar si mon pa tronpe, I annan plis ki 3mil ekek carers an se moman, ki pe ganny peye anba ASP.

Me nou bezwen être fran ki dan lepase in annan serten bann defayans, bann issues kot I konsern carers, bann servis ki zot pe donnen.
I annan bann challenge kot bann difikilte, bann konstrent, ki menm bann dimoun ki pe ganny sa servis, zot in fer bann konplent kot I konsern bann carers pa pe show up.

E an plis ki sa, sa home care agency osi pou osi deal avek bann dispute ant bann beneficiaries avek bann carers.

Nou tou nou konnen osi bann konplent dan lepase, kot bann carers in met zot bann konsern - bann beneficiaries in met zot konsern devan kot zot in ganny I annan ki’n ganny maltrete, abize zot bann keksoz in ganny pran.
I annan bann issues ki in arive dan lepase ki sa Lazans in fer sir in met en kad en provizyon ladan, pou fer sir zot kapab deal avek sa bann issues, pou pa repet ankor.

Mr Speaker, nou Gouvernman I donn plis ki R1 bilyon tou le lannen pou bann social benefits.

Bann diferan social benefits.

E dan lepase in responsabilite ASP pou donn sa bann diferan benefis sosyal, benefits, welfare, orphan disability social security.
benefits, E apre zot ti menm responsab pou donn bann servis bann benefits lanterman, ki la ozordi sa in transfer anba Local Government.

E zot osi annan responsabilite ASP - bann home carers.

Ki ozordi nou pe met en Lalwa pou etablir 51 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 en Lazans ki prezan pou pran sa responsabilite from ASP.

anba E nou tou nou konnen ki’n pase kot ASP dan lepase.
Nou tou nou’n devan sa Lasanble, Minis in vini, Minis responsab pou Sosyal Minis Francourt in vini, CEO ASP in vini, nou’n diskit longman lo tou bann labi Lazans arive ki Proteksyon Sosyal.

Nou’n war dan simityer, labi, vol, labi lo kart STC, larzan in akimile in ariv sepa konbyen mil Roupi.

Bann dimoun ki pe ganny peye koman carers ki pa pe fer ditou louvraz carer.
I sagrinan Mr Speaker me larealite ki ASP ti ganny servi koman en zouti politik, ti ganny servi koman en zouti pou manipil dimoun osi, annou pa bliye.

bal Kot bann dalon bann aktivis politik ti pe ganny peye avek ASP, menm si zot pa ti pe fer bann louvraz carers.

E pandan eleksyon nou rapel pandan bann eleksyon - dernyen eleksyon zot pa’n tro kapab fer sa, akoz nou ti pe vey zot - bann eleksyon fwa lepase eleksyon pe aprose, tiyo welfare ti ouver!
eleksyon, lepase sal Laliny welfare depi laba Ocean Gate house ziska kot Independence House ennler ziska pre Nouvobanq I arive, larzan laliny - pou ganny welfare Mr Speaker.

Sa bann labi in arive anba watch Gouvernman avan.

Kot I konsern carers Mr Speaker, wi I annan bann bon carers.

I annan bann carers serye e responsab.


Dan mon distrik mon annan plizyer, zis pou nonm non detrwa Danielle, Jose-May, Marie-Andre, Marie-Celine e en kantite bann carers ki pe fer en bon louvraz, pou pran ka avek sa bann dimoun ki dan zot responsabilite.

Me dan lepase ti annan labi ki’n ganny adrese dan sa Lasanble parey mon’n dir - a plis ki en repriz.

Nou tou nou konnen aktivis dan distrik;- aktivis pe ganny peye koman carer me zot pa ti pe fer zot louvraz.
Zot asize kot Biro Brans war zot lo teren pe fer letour parey Onorab Desheila - monte in koze desann Dubai al fer shopping me selman tou le mwan zot pe ganny larzan carer.

Ti annan sa bann labi.

La ler I dir ou campaign, lalis kantite carer laplikasyon I ogmante, zot azout carer menm ler eleksyon pe aprose.

Sa bann dimoun pa carer zot, zot pe ganny larzan zot pe ganny peye - ki zot pe fer?

Zot lo teren pe campaign!

Zot pa pe vey okenn dimoun!


Sa bann labi ti annan 52 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 akoz ASP ti ganny servi pou fer sa bann keksoz an lepase.

Mr Speaker nou bezwen fer sir ki sa bann kalite keksoz ki’n arive dan lepase, pa repet ankor dan nou pei.

Sanmenm sa rezon ki nou pe desantraliz en pe sa bann servis ki ASP in donnen, etablir bann lezot Lazans or transfer li anba lezot departman ouswa Minister pou anpes sa bann keksoz arive.
Ou konnen kot Social Benefits I ete la, this is what the previous Government ti servi parey mon’n dir pou manipil dimoun kot pou fer plizyer labi.

Kot serten dimoun in benefisye but not pou ed - parey bann - pou asiste bann carers dimoun ki bezwen sa servis, me plito pou zot met larzan dan pos enn de zot bann zwer, zot bann dalon zot bann aktivis ki travay pou zot.

That was the case, that was how sa bann keksoz ti ganny servi dan lepase.

E I kler nou tou nou konn byen Mr Speaker.


E sanmenm sa Lazans ki’n ganny kre ozordi, pou nou deal avek sa bann keksoz.

Ou konnen en keksoz ki’n sok mwan in baffle mwan.

En Manm I dir koumsa poudir ‘’Ar nou pe mislead bann dimoun deor, nou pe konfiz bann dimoun deor akoz sa la, konmsi bann dimoun ou pe dir sa bann dimoun pou dan lanplwa, me zot pa dan lanplwa zot pou lo Kontra.’’ Be, mon pa ganny en konpran tou bann MNAs dan sa Lasanble, lot kote latab nou tou nou annan en clerk.
Nou clerk pa I lo Kontra, savedir zot pa lanplwa?

Kantite PS, dan Manager en kantite dimoun I lo I annan continuous I lo employment.

I annan ki Kontra, akoz zot lo Kontra vedir zot pa dan lanplwa?

Zot pa en travayer?

lo Me sa I ridikil I pa fer sans!

Ou konnen I annan en bann kalite largiman mon kapab dir ridikil, ki pa fer sans ki zot anmennen enn ler, zis pou sey la deor.

Mr konfiz dimoun Speaker … MR SPEAKER Onorab petet ou devret retourn lo Bill.

Mersi.
Mersi.

(APPLAUSE) HON WAVEL WOODCOCK Yes Mr Speaker.

Pou retourn lo Bill Mr Speaker, detrwa pti kestyon mon anvi demande, eski Minis dan son larepons I kapab donn nou en pe detay lo en pti pe ki mannyer ki bann carers pou benefisye anba sa 53 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 Kontra ki zot pou sinyen avek sa Lazans?

E en lot keksoz ki mon ti a kontan Minis adrese, I kot I konsern bann carers ki travay avek plis ki en dimoun.
Ou konnen I annan dan lepase, I annan bann carers aktyelman la, ki zot pe travay avek plis ki en dimoun.

Petet zot pe travay avek 2 dimoun, me zot pe ganny menm saler avek en dimoun ki pe travay avek zis en dimoun.

So, eski sa I en keksoz ki zot pe konsider revize pou sa bann ki pe travay, pe care pou plis ki en dimoun?

E finalman mon krwar Onorab, I annan en Onorab ki’n tous lo la sa zafer laz.
Laz ki ou kapab vin en carer pou le moman mon krwar I 25an - fodre ou pa lao 25an, eski sa I en keksoz ki pou osi ganny revize dan sa Bill?

Mr Speaker travay ki bann carer I fer I pa en louvraz fasil ditou.

I en louvraz ki very demanding e sirtou ler ou pe travay avek bann elderly ouswa bann dimoun otreman kapab, ouswa menm I annan bokou ki mon konnen dan mon distrik ki annan zot pe travay avek bann dimoun, petet ki terminally ill ki vreman malad.

E ouswa bann dimoun ki bedridden.


E mwan mon’n war sa mon eksperyans sa.

I vreman tough sirtou ler ou bezwen okip en dimoun, swa benny en dimoun, pou vir en dimoun sirtou ki lour.

Konmsi I en louvraz vreman challenging ki vreman demanding.

E mon kapab dir mon enpresyonnen e mon admir bann dimoun ki fer sa bann louvraz.

Mon annan en gran respe pou zot, akoz mon konnen I pran bokou kouraz e bokou lanmour osi pou ou kapab fer sa louvraz.
Alor, mon ti anvi bann carers ki la deor, I konnen pou dir nou apresye zot en kantite.

Akoz nou rekonnet travay ki zot pe fer.

E sanmenm sa ki nou pe kre sa Lazans ki la, pou ankadre zot pli byen pou zot ganny sa soutyen, sa sipor, ki zot merit gannyen.

E mon pou profit sa lokazyon pou swet tou bann carers, tou zabitan sirtou dan mon distrik Grand Anse Praslin, tou Manm, Minis ou menm e tou Seselwa en zwaye Noel e en bon lannen 2023.
Avek sa 2 mo Mr Speaker mon pou donn mon full sipor sa Bill ki devan nou ozordi.

Mersi Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER Mersi Onorab.

Mon pas laparol Onorab Henrie.

54 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 selman HON GERVAIS HENRIE Mersi Mr Speaker.
Mr Speaker sa Prozedlwa ki devan nou ozordi, mon krwar I reaffirm non langazman Gouvernman me swa, dezir, lanvi e promes sak Seselwa pou kontinyen soutenir bann ki pli vilnerab, bann ki mwen fortinen ouswa enn I dezabilite dan nou sosyete e sirtou bann dimoun aze.

Sa Bill I pou nou tou, akoz en keksoz ki nou tou nou pou fer dan nou lavi;- kontan pa kontan nou pou vye en zour e kekfwa nou pou bezwen sa servis.

E alor nou merit war nou ladan, e dir ki nou annan par dan sa deba ki pe arive ozordi.
E mon vwar li ki sa Lalwa I pe elev nivo swen kot lakour pou nou bann aze, malad e dezabilite, dan en fason ki non profesyonnel me selman soutenab a long term, nou bezwen toultan trakase avek nou kapasite koman en Pti Leta Zil pou nou mentenir standar bann servis ki nou koman en pei nou donnen.

E nou koman Manm Lasanble ki vot lo Bidze pei, nou bezwen tre konsernen avek sa.
Mon vwar li direkteman anliny avek reform dan progranm sosyal, ki Gouvernman pe antreprann - sertennman avek sipor Labank Mondyal parey Minis prezantasyon Bill.

in dir nou dan son Alor I etablir en kad legal evalye bezwen bann pou aplikan, ki dezormen zot pou apel bann beneficiary, I ava siperviz swen ki sa bann beneficiaries pe gannyen par bann care givers e asir zot lantrennman kontinyel.

E la Mr Speaker mon le reasir Lonorab Loze ki wi, sa Bill I pa parfe.
Me anfet ler Cabinet ti konsider sa Prozedlwa an li menm ti Oktob, Cabinet acknowledge ki pou bezwen annan bann lamannman ki pou I en swiv.

Akoz?

Sa Bill komansman, apre sa Lazans ki pou ganny kree ki pou vwar dan son fonksyonnalite toulezour e fas avek realite lo teren, ki mannyer pou bezwen aziste.

Mr Speaker E zisteman nou koman bann Manm Lasanble, nou bezwen ankouraze sa, akoz lalwa I bezwen vin vivan e bezwen reponn legzizans e demann sak zour.

E alor I ok sa.

la nou Desanm 2022, I fer 14an.


14 lannen depi ki premye fwa sa reform ti ganny anonse par ansyen Minis Marie-Pierre Lloyd.

E I ti vin dan kad reform en ekonomik 2008.

Dan deklarasyon ki ti fer an Novanm 2008, I ti dir ki Gouvernman 55 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 dezormen pou arete peye pou carer, konmsi donn bann carer en saler.
I ti dir dimoun ki kalifye anba bann kriter ki pou ganny etablir, pou resevwar en led finansyel pou pey pou en carer atraver Social Welfare Agency.

2008.

E akoz rezon ti donnen?

1) Pou aret labi, 2) Pou ankouraz bann zenn pou sorti dan sa zafer carer al rod travay ki nou pei I bezwen bann zenn dimoun pou fer.

Novanm 2008 seksyon 13 sa Lalwa devan nou ozordi I adres sa - 14an pli tar.
led ganny An me 2009, Minis Lloyd I la, zot anons serten ankor reform lo progranm ki ti’n anonse, kot dimoun vilnerab ki pou bezwen kontinyen gannyen avek Leta.

Me 2009, me sa ki kapab afford pou peye pou son prop carer, ouswa ki kapab kontribye, an May 2009 Gouvernman I ankouraz zot pou fer laranzman prive.

Ozordi nou pe koz lo la.

E ankor I repete, dekouraz zenn dimoun pou vin carer akoz pei I pli bezwen zot pou fer bann lezot louvraz.
E sa bann zenn demokratizasyon depi ledikasyon ‘77, nou merit napa leskiz pou nou kapab pe fer bann travay ki otreman en kantite etranze pe fer dan nou pei.

Nou avans en pti pe pli devan prezan - 5an pase Mr Speaker an 2017 Septanm 2017, ansyen CEO ASP Mr Marcus Simeon, I dir ki akoz lakantite konplent ki pe annan lo labi sistenm carer, e lo kalite servis ki pe ganny delivre, nesesite in arive pou fer reform dan sa servis.
E I dir ki I annan en Lalwa pou vini e ki son lannen answit - setadir 2018 - pou devan Lasanble Nasyonal.

Mon ti en Manm 6enm Lasanble, zanmen Bill in vini, ozordi Bill I la.

la Setadir nou tou ki anndan Lopozisyon ki depi 2008 zot ti dan Gouvernman, napa rezon ozordi Mr Speaker pou bann ki’n koze avan nou pou dir ki, nou pe tay avek Lalwa.

14an nou kapab pe tay avek Lalwa, dir ki legzersis I an lanver?

Onorab Cosgrow I ti kot ASP li, pou dir ki nou pe tay avek Onorab Aglae.
I Ki dir napa konsiltasyon - letan mon get panel, mon vwar ganny Attorney Zeneral I reprezante, Social Affairs ganny reprezante, Agency for ganny Social reprezante, Minister Lafanmir I ganny reprezante.

Sa I bann antite Gouvernman ki deal avek piblik Seselwa, ki mannyer nou kapab krwar zot pa’n konsilte?

Protection I 56 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 Mon rekonforte avek sa panel annan akoz nou’n enteraksyon e mon konnen.
Onorab Loze in dir ki I pa’n lentansyon, detekte move sertennman move lentansyon.

Akoz 14an Sesel koman en pei pe reflesir lo sa reform?

I dir poudir pa’n fini kwi - wi, Cabinet in dir an Oktob pou kontinyelman vini.

reform bann napa Me selman nou koman en Lasanble Nasyonal, nou a rapel pou dir depi dan proze Bidze, nou’n koz lo Home Care Agency e si nou ti lir bann rezondet, nou ti pou agree ki ozordi sa Bill I re konkretiz sa ki dan dokiman Bidze ti dir pou fer.
Bann dimoun I bezwen anrezistre, pou assess zot, pou - tou bann keksoz monitor koumsa.

E en larzan in fini ganny mete, akoz lentansyon Gouvernman - R321milyon, 942mil.

Ladan R1 milyon pou training.

senser ti E nou’n aprann dan Bills Committee ki NIHSS - sa lekol la ki train bann kot Lasante ki train bann nurse, pou anmenn zot lo sa nivo.

anba I annan en sonm ki’n ganny mete ‘’other services allowance’’, pou R311 milyon 636mil.
E sa Mr Speaker mon konvenki ki I sa larzan kot bann beneficiaries pou ganny sa financial assistance pou pey zot care giver.

E ler sa heading la nou ti diskite, ki mannyer vot ti ete ti annan 20 an faver sa kote latab, ti napa vot kont, ti annan 8 abstention, ki mon bann koleg lot kote latab pa ti kapab pran en desizyon lo sa heading Mr Speaker.

fer pou E ozordi mon toudmenm apresye ki nou’n zwenn kekpar pou dir I bezwen vini, 14an lontan nou pe espere.

E la I moman serten refleksyon.


E mon ava dir bann dimoun ki pe ekoute deor, nou rapel letan ti pou annan reform dan Early Childhood sector?

IECD ti pe ganny met an mars, Sesel ti annan en tradisyon kot bann pti zanfan paran ki ti veye, granmanman e ler Leta ti antre pou sey met en lord pou standardiz e lev nivo, ti annan en pe leokri.

E parey labitid souvan fwa Sesel letan ou entrodwir en reform, tou dimoun sanzman I fer per.

E si ou annan en Lopozisyon ki kapitaliz lo sa lafreyer, pli move ankor.
Be nou riske ganny menm zafer la.

So, mwan ki mon ava dir avek pep Seselwa, ozordi avek zefor tou bann dimoun ki’n travay e mon ava dir zot felisitasyon e mersi pou sa.

57 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 Sesel I byen modern I ganny regarde koman en Sant Ekselans par UNESCO dan Early Childhood Development.

Sa menm model I kapab ganny aplike dan care for the elderly pou bann malad e pou bann dimoun disabled.
Si nou swiv sa menm model, akoz si nou get IECD son Lalwa I mannyer annan son bann S.I ki vin avek, son bann lezot framework pou training, pou monitor, pou assessment.

Met ansanm li egzakteman menm zafer, e alor napa rezon pou nou per pou dir nou aze dezormen pa pou napa sa care –non!

O kontrer nou pe fer sir pou dir zot nivo care e konfor e byennet pou eleve a lavenir.

Mersi Mr Speaker.

Mon a zis fini lo la.


dimoun bann Mon krwar I annan serten keksoz ki Gouvernman ti’n anonse dan lepase, par egzanp proze pou met alokasyon later pou kapab fer bann day care center pou bann dimoun aze sirtou bann ki kapab, ki ankor for.

E osi Elderly Home avek Nursing Home, later ti’n ganny idantifye Beau Vallon, Grand Anse Mahe, Ile Perseverance e menm Praslin nou bezwen pouse pou sa arive.
Nou bezwen ankouraz kontinyen prezan profesyonnalizm sa servis, ki non-selman bann dimoun I vin carer bann care giver.

Me zot merit kapab fer bann diversifye bann servis zot kapab donn bann dimoun aze.

Netway zot lakaz, dres zot lenz, lav zot lenz, kwi zot manze fer bann klib divertisman pou zot.

Koman en Nasyon nou bezwen sa direksyon.

reflesir dan nou bezwen ankouraz dimoun pou prepare pou zot vye zour - sa ki nou apel active aging.
Depi ler mon ti SBC mon’n kite 2007 mon ti fer en progranm ki ti apel The Golden Age, e nou ti koz lo la.

Ki mannyer ou evantyelman akoz nou tou nou pou vye.

prepar ou retourn Ki mannyer nou fer sosyete lo responsabilite pran swen avek lafanmir - nou bezwen koz lo la.

E Mr Speaker pou mwan terminen, letan nou ava al dan Committee Stage mon pou koz partikilyerman lo zafer Kontra avek lasistans finansyel.
Akoz sa mon krwar nou bezwen fer li dan en fason ki tou dimoun letan nou fini ozordi lazournen, zot tre konforte pou dir sa Bill I pe pran byen swen avek bann dimoun ki pou swazir pou fer sa profesyon koman bann carer giver.

58 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 E an terminan Mr Speaker pou tou dimoun ki pe ekoute san eksepsyon pangar mon mank personn, en bonn fet Nwel sertennman zot pou war mwan devan zot laport avan Lannen.

Pou nou kapab dir en pti bonzour an personn.


Mersi Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER Mersi Onorab.

Onorab William.

HON WAVEN WILLIAM Mersi Mr Speaker.

Mr Speaker ankor enn fwa mon oule sezi sa lokazyon pou remersi Bondye pou son faver, e lagras ki I annan lo nou Pei e remersi li ki mon pe form parti sa lekip ki pe fer bann transformasyon ki neseser dan pei.
lo Mr sa Speaker Prozedlwa bi prensipal se pou fer provizyon kad legal, pou moderniz sa progranm home care pou etablir en Lazans Home Care, e striktir ouswa mekaniz ki pou manage home care.

Mr Speaker Lazans pou osi resevwar e fasilit home care e lasistans finansyel.

Dezyenmman resevwar e laplikasyon fasilit anrezistreman bann aplikan, ki anvi donn sa servis home care, mentenir en rezis home care ouswa carer, endividi ki kalifye pou carer e ki’n ganny donnen lasistans finansyel.
Mr Speaker I osi pe apwent bann zofisye sirveyans pou siperviz servis homecare par home care anrezistre.

E Mr Speaker pou osi rezourd konfli ki kapab arive ant sa endividi ki kalifye pou sa servis.

E osi bann carer.

Mr Speaker Prozedlwa I osi fer en provizyon pou en endividi ki santi in ganny aflize ouswa afekte par desizyon Lazans, pou fer appeal devan en Appeals Board.

Mr Speaker ki vreman neseser.

Bill pe osi azir pli bon ladministrasyon sa servis, e Mr Speaker dan latransparans avek rann kont.
Mr Speaker mon pou aport mon sipor pou sa Bill letan mon mazin tou sa bann dimoun ki pe resevwar sa servis dan distrik, e bann osi ki pe travay koman home care ouswa bann ki ti ava pe swete pe fer li.

Mr Speaker, pou être onnet avek nou lekor se ki dan lepase, ki mannyer sistenm ti ete ki mannyer fason sa servis ti pe ganny donnen.
Nenport dimoun ti pe ganny pran pou donn sa servis menm si zot ti napa training Mr Speaker, e sa ki sa Bill pe fer la I pe donn loportinite pou bann dimoun ki anvi antre e donn sa servis pou zot fer li dan en fason 59 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 profesyonnel.

E ki sa bann beneficiary zot osi zot ganny sa servis ki merite.

Mr Speaker mon note ki en Manm lot kote in apresye ki sa Bill I napa bann move lentansyon avek.
Mr Speaker mon kontan tann lot kote dir sa akoz definitivman wi, sa Bill I napa move lentansyon.

Sa Bill pa pe aboli sistenm home care ouswa servis home carer.

Mr Speaker de lot kote si nou fer en pti pe refleksyon, si Minis lannen prosenn I bezwen vin dan sa Lasanble pou ankor amelyor sa Prozedlwa, mon pa trouv en problenm Mr Speaker!

Akoz dan lavi ou komans en keksoz, ou vwar ou kapab amelyore e ou amelyor lo la.

Ou fer bann laranzman ou fer bann azisteman.


E So, mon pa pe vwar li en problenm si Minis dan lavenir I I vin ankor.

Akoz nou anvi sa ki meyer pou nou pep, so, mon pa trou okenn problenm avek sa.

dezyenmman Mr Speaker, mon anvi dir ki nou rol koman Manm Parlman se si nou pa dakor avek en keksoz, si I annan nou santi poudir ti a amelyorasyon ki nou kontan trouv fer antre dan sa Bill, nou zis met devan bann amannman Mr Speaker.
E la Mr Speaker mon ava demann ou en kestyon, eski sekretarya in resevwar en lalis amannman kot Lopozisyon?

Mr Speaker, mon krwar mon annan right of … sorti (interruption) MR SPEAKER Kontinyen avek ou diskour Onorab.

Sa kestyon I a ganny reponn pli tar ler nou pran bann amannman.

ti dan HON WAVEN WILLIAM Mr Speaker, dan lepase letan ansyen mon Gouvernman be ti annan en ta Bill ti vin devan, ti napa pa ti donn ase dele letan pou pas lo la.

I pa ti en problenm - I annan presedans.

So, oli problenm?
So, oli problenm?

(laughter) HON WAVEN WILLIAM Mr Speaker alors avek sa 2 pti mo mon pou donn mon sipor sa Bill, akoz nou roll isi se pou pas lalwa e kontribye dan fer pas Lalwa.

Mersi Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Mon a donn laparol Onorab Porice.

HON DOYACE PORICE 60 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 Mersi Mr Speaker.

Mr Speaker Minis ek ou delegasyon, tou mon bann koleg Manm MNAs bonn apre midi.
Mr Speaker sa Bill anmennen ozordi, i en lavans pou bann travayer ki travay ek bann dimoun aze, ouswa en dimoun enkapab ki bezwen en lasistans carer.

Parey nou konnen, ki dan lepase carer ti zis en group travayer ki ti zis la pou rann e servis e pa konnen zot menm kot zot debout.

aletranze I annan ki krwar i travay zis 2erdtan; - i annan ki krwar i al demann permisyon e en kantite keksoz ankor.

Avek sa Lazans sa pou ed zot bokou dan zot travay.


pa Mr Speaker nou pe koz gato pa ankor kwi e bezwen retourn dan lakwizin - be nou bliye konbyen letan nou'n esper serten gato ki pa ti ankor kwi Sa ziska Gouvernman - ki i en Gouvernman LDS Gouvernman responsab e i pe fer sir ki i pa kit okenn son zanfan deryer e fer sir ki gato i ganny kwi byen.

Oktob 2020!

la - Krwar mwan Mr Speaker ki bann carer ozordi pe santi zot byen happy avek sa sanzman.
Me mon ti a kontan ki serten sa bann carer pou vin pli serye, pran zot responsabilite e vin sa travayer egzanpler e anmenn sa bon soutyen pou sa bann dimoun enkapab.

Mr Speaker mon pou felisit bann carer ki'n pran sa responsabilite o serye dan lepase e mon pou dir zot kontinyen sa bon travay.

Avek kreasyon sa nouvo Lazans pou ede met tou keksoz annord, pour ki tou i vin tou byen pou nou bann dimoun aze e enkapab.

I kler Mr Speaker ki Gouvernman travay!


pe Dousman, dousman nou pe anmenn sa ki byen pou Sesel e pou Seselwa.

Lazans Home Care pou anmenn sa vre sanzman atraver home carer.

E mon pou demann sa Lazans pou fer sir - fer sir ki sipervizyon i marse e training pou carer i annan plis.

Osi en koze avek sa bann resipyan kot zot pou napa okenn diskor ant carer ek resipyan.

En pwen ki mon ti a kontan konnen, si carer pou travay dan wikenn akoz nou annan resipyan ki reste tousel.

Napa fanmir pou ede.


Pou terminen mon pou felisit nou Gouvernman atraver Minister Lafanmir, pou sa bon travay ki pe anmenn lavi nou carer vin pli meyer.

Kontinyen revwar bann lezot Lalwa ki pou benefis tou travayer dan nou pei.

61 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 Avek sa 2 mo, Mon pou anmenn mon sipor pou sa Bill.
Avan mon terminen mon pou swet mon Gouvernman, mon fanmir, zanmi, mon clerk, Mr Speaker, Manm Lasanble Nasyonal, tou staff Lasanble e tou Seselwa en bon Nwel e en bon lannen 202!

En mansyon spesyal i al pour zabitan Baie Ste Anne ki'n met mwan la e ki pe toultan siport mwan.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi Onorab.

Avek sa mon’n ariv a lafen lalis bann Manm ki ti'n lev lanmen.
Bann Leaders pa ankor lev lanmen be selman si zot pran laparol, mon ti a kontan nou kontinyen menm si nou pou depas midi edmi e apre mon ti a. Ti a vreman byen pou nou termin sa deba bomaten e pou nou repran apre midi lo en lot nivo.

So mon ava apel Onorab Pillay e bann Leaders mon pe gard zot 15minit osi.

Onorab Pillay.

Laparol.

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Mr Speaker.

E bonn apre midi tou dimoun ki a lekout.

Bonn apre midi Minis, CEO, ASP, PS William, Ms Nourrice.
E bonn apre midi ansyen Onorab Roucou dan son kapasite koman PS pou Lafanmir.

E tou koleg bonn apre midi Onorab e tou dimoun ki a lekout.

Mr Speaker mersi.

Mon krwar i pa ava deplase bomaten, apre midi la ler mon pe komans mo lentervansyon lo deba.

Mon ti oule zis met a latansyon Lasanble en pwen enportan ki'n souleve bomaten.

Pa ki mon pe al lo ruling, me mon krwar i annan petet en konfizyon ki pe ganny kree dan la fason ki sa size trezyenm mwan pe ganny trete.
E mon ti a kontan met lo rikord ki lentansyon Lasanble atraver Lalwa ki ti pase sete ki trezyenm mwan i ganny peye full baze lo 50poursan ki ganny peye avan e lot 50poursan i ganny peye lo en performance appraisal.

bonus.

Ou pa kapab pran sa lot 50poursan e pey li koman en So performance trezyenm mwan i trezyenm mwan.

Si oule donn sa dimoun en performance bonus ou donn li son bonus over and above son trezyenm mwan.
Mon krwar nou bezwen fer sa kler ki tou bann anplwaye anplwayer i fer le neseser e mon demann ou atraver ou Mr Speaker, ki Minister Lanplwa i swiv de tre pre - sirtou sa statement ki nou'n tande bomaten pour ki napa okenn 62 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 initilman ganny travayer ki afekte par en mal konprenezon dan lafason ki Lalwa i devret ganny aplike.

Mon remersi ou Mr Speaker e mon swete ki mon fer mon lekor kler.

i Mr Speaker Lalwa devan nou vreman en Lalwa enteresan.
In ganny soulinyen ki i vreman enportan.

I vreman enportan akoz i afekte apepre 4mil dimoun ki ozordi i pe provide sa ki nou apel ki bann care givers, zot bann carers.

le 4mil Me an plis ki sa 4mil dimoun si nou times (x) li by 2 i afekte ankor lezot dimoun ki resevwar servis avek sa bann care givers.

Savedir i annan 8mil dimoun ki pou ganny afekte avek sa Lalwa ki la devan nou ozordi.

E i posib parmi sa bann dimoun ki donn care i kapab annan ki pe donn 2 an plis.
Be on average nou pe koz apepre 8mil dimoun ki pe ganny afekte.

Now sa i en demografik konsiderab e dan sa demografik konsiderab, mon ti a kontan ki Lasanble nou pa perdi lesansyel - ki nou pa pe koz lo zis care givers avek dimoun aze.

Nou pe koz care givers ki provide swen pou bann dimoun ki annan dezabilite, bann dimoun ki annan en kondisyon mantal, lezot kondisyon.
So nou pe koz tou sa gam dimoun ki benefisye avek en servis kot en dimoun i provide en servis carer pou zot;- ki swa half day ki swa full day depandan lo bezwen e nesesite ki ou annan.

Prezan i enportan Mr Speaker pou regard dan premis e listwar istorik sa Lalwa pour ki nou fer sir poudir nou pa sey fer en legzersis la pou sey mislead Lasanble e koz lo 2008 e i koz lo 14an;- konmsi fodre nou realis e met keksoz an pratik.
E mwan mon en pti pe soke ki entervenan ki'n fer sa, i en dimoun ki swa labitid i doue dan son resers, me mon vwar ki petet i pa'n tous sa enn me mon ava ed li.

Le 11 Zanvye 2020 ti annan en konsiltasyon ki to ganny fer par Minister Lafanmir ki ti ganny sa letan anba direksyon Minis Mitcy Larue e sa ti en Zedi e zot to zwenn avek apepre 300 home carers ki sorti dan distrik Anse Aux Pins, Cascade, Pointe Larue, Les Mamelles, ki ti attend en miting ki ti ganny fer kot ICCS.
E sa miting sete pou revwar polisi an sa ki konsern carer.

Now e dan sa Polisi ti fer referans avek en mandatory training sesyon devlopman ki bezwen ganny bann e 63 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 zot kapab entrodwir, pou improve nivo servis, nivo swen ki bann elderly e bann disabled i gannyen, bann dimoun aze bann dimoun ki annan en dezabilite otreman oubyen kapab.
ki sistenm E pou osi elimin bann labi dan enkli absenteeism - parey mon'n tann serten Onorab koze - kot en dimoun pa vin donn swen son benefisyer, sa dimoun ki sipoze pe fer servis e osi labi avek bann pasyan.

Lo en lot kote lentansyon sete pou ranforsi bann bon kalite, bann keksoz pozitiv ki bann carers ki ti pe okip zot bann dimoun byen pou ranforsi sa.
Apre i ti koz lo formizasyon sa profesyon pou fer ki bann carer i a kapab osi benefisye avek bann linisyativ tel koman ;-logmantasyon saler, bann long service allowance bann peyman gratwite e a lafen zot lanplwa ki zot kapab ganny serten benefis, par lefe ki zot pou'n fer sa bann fonksyon koman carer pou en pe letan.

E nou’n tande atraver Onorab Esparon bomaten, en dimoun ki'n fer carer pandan 15an.

Ti kler ki sa letan ki bann carer ti ganny anploye avek fanmir sa pasyan ki zot pe pran swen avek.
E ASP Lazans Proteksyon Sosyal ti responsab pou pey carer.

E sa ti en mansyon petet R70milyon anyelman sa letan 2020 ok?

Zot ti benefisye avek 21 zour leave e zot trezyenm mwan saler.

Me konparab avek lezot public servant, zot pa ti pe ganny akse par egzanp avek loan, avek bann lezot fasilite proteksyon anba Lalwa, ki en anplwaye i gannyen ozordi as dan nou ziridiksyon zis parey nou'n fer sa pwen lo trezyenm mwan saler an sa ki konsern trezyenm mwan saler e bonus.
Sa letan ti annan 3785 carers sanmenm ki'n fer mwan donn sa sif 4mil la, e 2800 ti lo en full day basis.

Savedir plis ki lanmwatye la kantite career ti lo en baz full day.

E sa i fer ki ou ti annan nou en group dimoun ki ti pe earn sa letan 2020 R6660 monthly 2800 dimoun.

E bann ki ti lo half day ti pe ganny R4400 monthly.
sa So nou pe vwar i en sonm ase konsiderab e i en sonm ki nou bezwen diskit lo la baze lo la kantite travay ki sa dimoun in fer - parey Onorab Arissol in dir met lapoud sa dimoun, vir sa dimoun, fer tou sa bann keksoz ki neseser ganny fer, ki otreman en lot dimoun pa ti pou fer dan konteks pran swen avek en dimoun.

Me prezan ler mon vin lo sa Lalwa, sa Lalwa i pa'n zis vin 64 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 la en sel kou nou konpran sa.
Me sa ki pa'n annan ler nou'n prepar sa Lalwa li menm fer li in napa en vin en Lalwa, konsiltasyon apre ki sa Lalwa in prepare.

In napa en White Paper stage parey Gouvernman, parey Lopozisyon ler Gouvernman ti dan Lopozisyon ti demande kot i demann en konsiltasyon avek bann stakeholders.

sa Akoz?
sa Akoz?

Akoz dan konteks spesifik kontrerman avek Lalwa IECD ki ti annan en konsiltasyon avan i ti pas dan Lasanble - sa letan akoz mon ti en Manm Lasanble ler i ti pase - sa enn Lalwa in napa en konsiltasyon ler i pe vin en Lalwa.

en Koman Polisi Gouvernman i annan tou drwa pou li reviz son Polisi as and when i anvi.

Me koman en Lalwa keksoz i vin pli difisil pou Gouvernman reviz li de zour o lannmen akoz i bezwen vin devan Lasanble si i annan bann sanzman mazer ki bezwen fer.
E sa mank konsiltasyon in fer ki i annan serten mankman dan sa Lalwa, akoz sa ki mon pe war Mr Speaker esansyelman se ki nou'n transfer sa Polisi e nou'n met li dan en Lalwa.

E nou pou donn Minis Marie- Celine Zialor pa mal difikilte pou li enplimant sa Lalwa.

E mon krwar lefe ki sa Minister pou anvi ki keksoz i bouz ase vit, i pou vwar li lo serten difikilte pou li adres serten mankman ki bann manm lo mon kote latab in souleve.
Premye keksoz ki mon krwar ki nou bezwen soulinyen koman en mankman an sa ki konsern sa Lalwa.

E la Mr Speaker mon souliny sa baze lo bann konsiltasyon ki ti annan avek World Bank depi komansman 2018.

Fodre nou a note ki Sesel avek lefe ki nou tou nou met lanfaz lo nou sistenm lasante e kondisyon lasante dimoun, e life expectancy ti neseser pou war ki mannyer koman en sosyete anba nou progranm sosyal, prezan nou enkorpor en sistenm care i permet dimoun pou viv an dinyite.
E World Bank ti parmi bann parti prenan ki ti ed Sesel pou devise bann eleman Polisi.

Me ler nou vin ek sa Lalwa nou pa'n fer ase travay, pou nou regarde prezan ki mannyer prezan konteks in sanze depi 2020 ziska la.

Akoz sa konteks 2020 ti pe pran lenformasyon from avan.

I lenformasyon pa'n 2020 from neseserman onwards.

E la kot ou pou annan pou en issue pran ki 65 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 sa sa impede konsiderableman lenplimantasyon Lalwa.
Premye keksoz ki come to mind formalizasyon se lanplwa carer.

Malerezman Mr Speaker Lalwa pa pe formaliz lanplwa carer, i pa pe fer sa ditou.

size - Akoz ler nou regard konteks ki mannyer sa Lalwa pe propoze pou fer en Kontra, sa Kontra i ganny drawn up par Lazans me i ganny sinyen ant sa dimoun ki ganny benefisyer sa servis avek sa carer ki provide sa servis.

Savedir i bezwen liability liability ganny assign avek sa dimoun i siny son Kontra.
Unless Kontra i ganny design in such a way ki i vin en tripartite relationship.

Mon ti ava ekspekte ki Lalwa ti ava fer kler lentansyon annan en relasyon tripartit trwa parti - ant Lazans, carer e sa resipyan e sa dimoun sa benefisyer.

Me ler mon regard Lalwa i pa fer sa ditou.


annan Annefe i en landrwa kot i montre ou klerman lentansyon Lalwa kot Lazans li son main rol se akt koman - mon pou dir i en bystander - e tou sa ki'n ganny dir par egzanp pou fer carer ganny loan, pou fer carer ganny isi laba, pa pou arive.

I pa pou arive en normalizasyon.

akoz pa sa vin carer Mazin byen nou'n dir poudir en i independent service provider.

Carers will not be employed right?


However, however it would be prezan depandan lo Gouvernman ki mannyer i pou diskit avek bann bayer de fon, bann dimoun i pou bann sekter ki provide loan bann labank pou li provide en subset.

Gouvernman i kapab fer akoz sa avek HFC wi, Gouvernman i annan kontrol lo Polisi avek HFC.

Me an sa ki konsern labank i pa parey - en Labank Komersyal.
E prezan ler nou regard par egzanp seksyon 12(4) i dir ou “ler en benefisyer i subject to medical examination after the conclusion of a contract, under subsection (1) and the medical professional or health in the determines a change beneficiaries the contract shall be amended the new needs based on assessment report”.

condition, lo kontrol So mon fer en dimoun siny en Kontra, me selman mwan ki annan bann assessment ki ganny fer lo sa Kontra.
Si nou ti oule al dan laliny par egzanp bann lezot pei in ale, akoz sa sistenm carer i egziste dan bokou lezot pei.

Bann care givers i egziste;- vre i annan en registration, vre i 66 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 annan en licensing akoz pou fer sir poudir si ou pe al okip en dimoun ou bezwen annan sa konpetans pou okip sa dimoun.

Me inherently Lalwa osi pa dir ki kalite konpetans ou pou bezwen.
Par egzanp pou okip en dimoun aze e diferans avek okip en dimoun ki annan en maladi mantal.

Sa osi pou bezwen ganny prevwar.

E regard ler mon lentansyon Lalwa an sa ki konsern Kontra, pou mwan mon santi poudir ti'n devret annan en langazman pli formel avek Lazans an relasyon avek sa carer.

Apre tou Lazans i ganny larzan from tax payer, from sa ki Lasanble i aprouve.

E overside lo sa carer mannyer mon pe gete la, se sa dimoun si siny sa Kontra ek li - se sa dimoun ki pe donn swen.
Akoz get en lot keksoz ki montre ou mannyer enteresan lentansyon ok, I dir ou koumsa poudir anba inquiry kot pou annan inquiry an relasyon avek en keksoz dan servis i koz lo “may have conducted visits”.

I pa kapab ‘’may have conducted visits’’ pou en inquiry.
i I bezwen ki i annan visit monitoring ki'n ganny fer pou ou fasilit travay dan inquiry, ou pa ‘’may have kapab conducted those visits.’’ So mon santi poudir ki dan sa konteks i pou lentansyon sete pou pran bann Polisi met li dan Lalwa and then o firamezir amann Lalwa e fer li vin pli robust.

Mr Speaker nou pa krwar sa i meyer fason pou fer li.
Rezon akoz nou pa ti vot kont Bidze pour sa Home Care Agency set akoz ti neseser pour ki i annan en setting out larzan pou bann dimoun ki carer ozordi pou zot ganny peye.

Ti neseser sa.

Me mon vwar poudir i annan en mankman ki'n antre dan Lalwa ler nou pe koz lo formalizasyon rol ki carer i bezwen zwe.

fer kler Mon pa santi poudir strikteman speaking legalman, nou'n dan sa lentansyon sa Lalwa.
Prezan Mr Speaker ler mon vin lo Appeals Board par egzanp, mon krwar lefe ki bann Kontra dan sa anba sa Lalwa i 3an, then the Appeals Board i devret pe sit pou plis ki 2an.

At least 3an.

familyariz Rezon pou sa se akoz pou li avek peryod ler sa Lalwa pe li Kontra, komanse.

Akoz tou keksoz pou aret ansanm la.

I kapab ou ava sanzman apre me annan everything will start together, Kontra ki bann dimoun pou gannyen pou 3an, Kontra Appeals Board i 3an, Kontra lot i 3an.
67 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 Konmsi nou swiv sa standar ki prezan ou pa pou zanmen ganny ou en lenstans, kot en dimoun pa familye avek konteks dan ki i pe antre pou li fer education lo la.

Ki swa i en en Manm Board Agency, ki swa i en Manm Appeals Board.

E mon krwar sa i ava fer li pli kler, pli fasil.

oubyen En lot keksoz Mr Speaker ki mon'n note, ki mon war li en pe drol, par egzanp kot nou pe koz lo apwentman CEO sa Lazans.
Nou dir ki se Prezidan ki pou apwent CEO sa Lazans.

Be si mon pa tronpe nou dir ‘’the President may appoint.’’ Eski Prezidan pa devret pe apwent en CEO?

Eski i kapab pa apwent en CEO?

Who’s the other Authority ki pou apwent en CEO?

Mon ti ava ekspekte ki the president shall appoint a CEO consultation.

Mannyer from mon pe gete, nou pe dir i ‘’may i donn mwan en appoint’’ lenpresyon poudir nou pe les li dan ler.
E prezan ler mon vin lo sa size, si nou kre en Board, e si mon swiv byen largiman Minis Zialor dan lepase mon'n ekout li byen.

i So si ou kre en Board, en Board en responsabilite.

So the Board should take responsibility of appointing the person ki pou annan chair son Lazans.

Akoz ki nou sorti ek Board, nou kit Minis deor, nou al direk kot Prezidan e Prezidan i fer lapwentman?

Petet Prezidan fer lapwentman en CEO on the recommendation of the Board!

Lo rekomandasyon Board.


i devret Akoz somebody i bezwen Prezidan.

ek rekomann Prezidan kote ki i pou ganny sa rekomandasyon pou sa dimoun ler i pe apwent li koman en Chairman Board?

En Chief Executive Officer?

annan I bezwen en standar ki nou etablir akoz sa bann dimoun ki pou'n ganny apwente koman bann Manm Board ganny zot bezwen loportinite a premye lye pou etablir lala Lazans, lala son bann fonksyon, lala son bann keksoz ki sipoze fer e lala i nou pe rode.
So ler nou, nou pe regarde san ki nou kote latab nou'n swazir pou regard kwa ki nou santi pa fer Lalwa as strong as it should be, pou fer klersi sa sityasyon carer.

E fodre nou admet ki annan pa mal difikilte avek deal ek sa sityasyon carer.

Prezan Mr Speaker, ki mon krwar i enportan pou nou soulinyen.

Nou vwar poudir apre ki ou'n apply pou en carer e ou'n pas atraver en sistenm, en striktir.

Me - e la mon 68 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 prezan mwan.
konsernen Ozordi nou annan bann konsern ki ou annan dimoun ki pe slip between the gaps an sa ki konsern zot ganny akse ek en carer.

Par egzanp ou ganny ou en dimoun ki annan 83an ki prezant menm konteks ek en dimoun ki annan 83an ki prezan dan en lot distrik, sa enn in ganny en carer sa enn i pa'n ganny en carer.

Nothing political about it sa me it’s just ki ou a dir something in the system pa pick up or i annan en diferans.
it As relates to nou sistenm ozordi, Health Care Agency i annan en rol enportan pou li zwe within dan en assessment period.

Mon ti a kontan tann koz lo assessment criteria ki pou ganny servi par the agency li menm, as the entity which shall act as regulating home care services.

Akoz en antite i pa kapab vin regulate zis home care services an relasyon avek larzan ki Gouvernman i provide pou carer.

I bezwen regulate li an relasyon avek okenn private entity ki pou al provide en private home care service.
Akoz son bi se en national ambit.

Son rol se nasyonalman asire ki home care service i lo en standar e en nivo, pa zis an relasyon avek carer koman nou konn li anba ASP.

So mon pa santi poudir Lalwa pe fer sa pou le moman.

E mon krwar mon pou swiv largiman serten koleg lo mon kote latab ki avek presyon pou anmenn sa Lalwa devan Lasanble, mon krwar i annan en rush dan son preparasyon pou fer li pou met li lo latab.

E mon pa konfidan la a sa moman ki sa Lalwa is the best one ki nou kapab gannyen.
Mon pa'n dir poudir i san pozitiv;- en kantite keksoz ladan i sorti dan sa bann Polisi ki ti deza pe marse.

Me ler nou pou sanz e li nou met li dan Lalwa i pou annan en lo son lenplimantasyon.

legzizans E mwan kot mon'n note poudir Gouvernman i konsyan sa, se sa 12mwan ki zot in donnen.

E mwan mon pe espere avek enpasyans bann travay ki nou kapab fer prezan vi ki sa Lalwa pou pase nou napa sa mazorite dan Lasanble pou anpes li pase.
Me i pou bezwen annan en konsiltasyon ki ganny fer ki enkli Manm Lasanble apre ki sa Lalwa in pase, akoz nou napa swa la Lalwa pou pase.

E i bezwen pase akoz i annan en Bidze ki ganny vote pou li ou annan en budget line ou pa kapab pran en budget line 69 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 vire from li unless ou vin devan Lasanble ankor pou al demann permisyon pou fer li.
So si lot kote pou pas sa Lalwa napa problenm, me solman lo nou kote latab nou i pou bezwen santi poudir annan en diskisyon ki ganny antanmen avek bann Lotorite, sirtou Manm Lasanble ki oule ganny involve avek sa prosesis pou asire zisteman ki the quality-of-care ki ganny donnen i at the standard ki nou tou nou oule war.

E la mon annan en mo kosyon pou serten MNA ki'n koz en serten fason.
Pa bliye ou osi ou pou vye, sa ki nou pe fer nou pa pe fer li avek en lentansyon politik, nou bezwen fer li avek en lentansyon ki demen nou kre en sosyete, ki kapab pran sen avek tou bann ki en bezwen ganny swen dan en fason ki anmenn dinyite pou zonm.

E non-pa dan en fason ki nou pe zwe politik avek keksoz.

Me se sa lesansyel bann largiman ki mwan mon pe avanse ozordi.
Mr Speaker mon oule premyerman remersi tou carers ki pe fer zot louvraz byen, ki pe okip bann dimoun ki anba zot servis, anba zot care pe fer li byen.

Pou bann ki pa pe fer zot louvraz byen mon oule don zot en warning, an plis ki keksoz i vin pli formalize, an plis ki keksoz i vin pli strik, demen ou pa pou kapab vin kot en MNA e konplent poudir ou'n ganny tire e koman en carer, si ou pa pe pran ou responsabilite.

Si ou dan bis ler sa dimoun pe esper ou fer son dite pou tir li lo lili, i pa akseptab!
Si ou'n vini bomaten ou pa'n kwi son manze ou'n ale avan midi i pa akseptab!

So sa ki ou pe mal fer ou bezwen depi ozordi komans konsyans, mazinen poudir si ou fanmir i depan lo ou koman en carer lo ou ou responsabilite.

saler, pran pran fer li byen, But at the same time pou bann ki pe i enportan ki nou koman en sistenm nou rekonnet sa e ranforsi sa bann bon kalite ki sa bann dimoun pe anmennen.
E pou manm fanmir i byen ki nou kontinyen gete ki mannyer Gouvernman - e sa in nenport dan Gouvernman ki pou vini ki pou en Gouvernman Seselwa ki pou fer sa, ki mannyer bezwen Gouvernman pou kontribye pou ed ou okip bann dimoun ki anba ou, ki annan en nesesite annan en swen.

letan, nou ede i Me ou osi koman manm fanmir ou bezwen pran ou responsabilite.

Pa apre ki papa ek manman in ariv en serten laz 70 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 bliye poudir ou ou responsabilite.
Me selman tou byen, tou keksoz ki manman ek papa i annan, oule gannyen.

Akoz demen nou pou bezwen pas en Lalwa pou dir me out of ou leritaz, si i vo sepa konbyen milyon nou pou tir en serten poursantaz ladan pou met dan care pou ou fanmir.

Akoz i enportan ki nou tou nou realize, poudir koman en en annan nou sosyete responsabilite pou nou care pou lezot dimoun.

ki dimoun I annan dimoun ki pou tonbe ki pou fall by the wayside - i normal - nou ekspekte sa.

I pou annan rankontre difikilte.


Me i annan dimoun kan ou kapab fer li, pa pran sa responsabilite ki ou sipoze pran met li lo en lot dimoun, e ler sa dimoun pa kapab fer ou blanm sa dimoun.

Sa i en keksoz enportan.

En lot kote Mr Speaker i osi annan … MR SPEAKER Onorab.

Les mon a zis remind ou ou'n ariv 20minit … HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Mon pe fini.

MR SPEAKER Mon apresye ki ou lo size me regard en konklizyon.

Mersi.

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Mersi Mr Speaker.

Mon pe apros mon konklizyon.


I annan osi en konteks kot ou annan dimoun in nwir travay ki en carer i fer.

Ler en carer i vin travay ek en manm fanmir ou annan en lot manm fanmir ki rod tou fason pou fer sa carer kite.

Zanmen sa carer i netway byen, zanmen a carer i kwi manze byen, zanmen sa, e ou fer lavi sa dimoun ki sipoze pe okip ou manm fanmir vin malere.
Konmsi tou sa bann mers ki nou annan fodre nou komans kot deryer, akoz si non se sa ki poi fer li difisil pou nou kapab ganny dimoun pou cater pou nou.

E mwan keksoz pli difisil pou mwan se ler en dimoun i dir ou mon pa kapab ganny en carer e ler ou get dan fanmir sa enn pa bon, sa enn pa bon, sa enn pa bon.

Napa personn ki bon.

So nou bezwen regarde.


Avek sa Mr Speaker mon oule remersi ou dimoun ki'n travay lo preparasyon sa Lalwa, mon e annan antisipe lamannman pou e kontinyen nou swiv e donn nou pozisyon bann lamannman.

nou pou sa ki lo Mon oule profit lokazyon Mr Speaker pou swet tou Seselwa en zwaye Noel e bokou 71 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 prosperite dan lannen 2023.

E mon swete ki Bondye i a kontinyen beni nou pei.

Mersi Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER Mersi Onorab.


Onorab Georges pa ti'n lev lanmen, non?

Ou ti'n lev lanmen?

Mon pa ti'n war ou ankor.

Onorab Georges mon a donn ou laparol.

HON BERNARD GEORGES Mersi Mr Speaker.

Mr Speaker mon pa pou long, me mon krwar ki i neseser ki mon adres sa size ki telman enportan kantmenm briyevman.

I tar, nou'n annan en long bomaten.

Nou pou annan ankor Committee Stage alor mon pa oule prolonz deba.
Me mon ti a kontan premyerman remersye bann Manm Lasanble ki'n pran laparol ozordi ki lo en size emosyonnel e en size tre politik nou'n reste an deor politik partizan, zeneralman.

E nou'n konsantre lo en size ki en size nasyonal, en size enportan - en size ki tous nou tou dan tou nou distrik.

Alor mersi bann Onorab ki'n pran focus laparol e ki’n gard plizoumwen lo sa Bill.
Mon ti a kontan osi remersye tou bann dimoun ki'n travay koman care givers, koman carers dan lepase dan tou nou distrik, nou konn zot e nou'n konn zot, nou'n frot avek zot toulezour, nou'n atrap zot lanmen nou'n chastise zot ler ti neseser.

Nou'n sey rod en landrwa pou zot al travay ler zot napa.

Alor nou tou nou interface dan en fason kotidyen avek bann home carers, bann care givers.

E i enteresan ozordi pou vwar ki mannyer Lalwa pe pe pe sanze, modernize.
amelyore, Akoz Mr Speaker depi ler sa lide annan home carers ti ganny lanse so many years ago, nou'n vwar ki en keksoz ki ti en lide - e mon pa pe dir i enn oubyen lot - en lide ki i ti en lide premyerman donn lasistans bann dimoun ki’n merite e ki pa kapab afford.

pou E dezyenmman en zouti politik, akoz dan sistenm alokasyon carers ti annan en eleman politik, in vin atraver son devlopman en ekosistenm.
E home carers i en ekosistenm li tousel ki’n kree lo en kote en serten demann, lo en lot kote en serten nesesite, en serten lekspektasyon ki ler mon ariv a en serten laz mon pou ganny en carer.

Lo en lot kote in kree en lanplwa pou bokou dimoun pou vin en carer, pou bokou zenn dimoun pou vin en carer is the 72 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 end.

Se sa ki zot anvi vini.


E toultan mon'n koz lo sa zenn garson ki en fwa ler mon ti zwenn li mon ti demann li ki ou anvi vini mon boy ler ou vin gran, i dir mwan i anvi vin en drayver SPTC.

E mon pa pe denigre drayver SPTC, be mon ti dir li mon dir, dir ou anvi vin en Pilot Air Seychelles epi kekfwa si ou pa kapab arive ou a kapab tonm lo en keksoz en pe pli ba.
Se sa ekosistenm ki'n ganny kree, kot mon pou travay avek mon manman, mon pou travay en demi zournen, mon pou ganny en larzan, apre sa mon pou fer sa ki mon anvi fer.

E i vin en be all and all.

E se sa mon krwar enn ban keksoz ki nou bezwen kase.

Se sa serk ki nou bezwen kase e se sa ki sa Lalwa pe anmennen.

E se pour sa rezon ki avek tou son defayans ki i kapab annan, mon pa vwar defayans ki bann lezot manm in mansyonnen.
Nothing is perfect i pou annan serten lamannman ki pou bezwen ganny anmennen avek sa Lalwa.

Me lekel Lalwa ki pa ankor ganny amande ziska prezan, menm nou vilnerab Kod Sivil nou'n pas 6 semenn pe amande isi menm dan sa Lasanble.

I pou annan serten defans me, i annan serten defayans i pou annan serten lamannman me i en striktir ki ti neseser e i en striktir ki ariv a son bon moman.

E se sa mon krwar ki nou bezwen focus lo la.


Mr Speaker tou keksoz in ganny dir li bon carer ek move carer, bon kliyan ek move kliyan.

Nou tou nou konn bann bon carer, nou tou nou konn bann move carer, nou tou nou koman bann kliyan ki kontan zot carer.

E nou tou nou konn bann kliyan ki sanz carer tanzantan, akoz napa okenn dimoun ki kapab satisfer zot bezwen - sa i pou toultan la.
responsabilite lo Sosyal Me sa ki nou pe fer e fodre pa nou bliye, sa ki sa Lalwa pe fer set en kontinyasyon filozofi politik sa ladministrasyon.

E sa lo tir e Lazans Gouvernman, Proteksyon met responsabilite lo endividi, lo care giver lo en kote e lo sa benefisyer sa kliyan de lot kote.

Fodre zot, zot pran zot responsabilite.


E se pour sa rezon ki enn bann keksoz ki mon war i pli eksitan avek sa Lalwa, se sa konsep ki Lazans pa pou vin anplwayer bann care givers me ki sa Kontra pou vin ant sa beneficiary avek sa care giver.
Akoz sa i empower dimoun e sa i tir dimoun dan sa serk, al travay kot mon kapab pas zis 73 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 4erdtan par zour pe travay, al travay dan en travay ki fasil, al travay dan en travay kot mon pou kapab sove, al travay dan - sa nou bezwen kase sa serk Mr Speaker.

Nou bezwen servi sa bann zenn dimoun pou vin bokou pli prodiktif.
E nou bezwen servi bann dimoun ki pou vin bann care givers, pou vin bann dimoun ki'n ganny training, ki pou kapab look forward to zot dyob ki pou annan en sertifika e ki pou kapab dir avek pride, mon en care giver akoz mon annan en sertifika.

E non pa ki ou a fer mon en home carer.

Mon krwar se sa, sa latitid ki sa Lalwa pe renouvle dan nou pei e pe sanze.
E se pour sa rezon Mr Speaker ki mon krwar parey mon'n dir ki sa Lalwa in ariv a en bon moman e ki merit sipor e mon ti ava ekspekte e mon swete dapre lapant parol ki sorti lo lot kote latab ki zot pou siport sa Lalwa.

Fodre pa nou bliye - e Leader Lopozisyon in fer sa pwen e mon zwenn li lo la - fodre pa nou bliye ki lafanmir i annan en rol e fodre pa ki care giver i vin en lopozisyon pou sa ki lafanmir i bezwen fer.
Premye responsabilite i reste touzour lafanmir se pa care giver, se pa Gouvernman se pa Lazans Proteksyon Sosyal, se pa sa Lazans Home Care ki pou ranplas responsabilite lafanmir.

Premye care giver se lafanmir enportan ki posib e mon mazinen ki dan sa assessment ki pou ganny fer bann kapab antreprann care zot bann vye dimoun i ava fer li e pa pou vin tonm lo Gouvernman oubyen lo Lazans Proteksyon Sosyal pou fer li.
fanmir ki Alor la set en lot lavantaz avek sa Lalwa, akoz pou en fwa tou keksoz pou ganny revwar, tou keksoz pou ganny remet lo en nouvo baz, i pou vin en Kontra ant 2 dimoun.

E en assessment pou kapab ganny fer lo eski i annan vreman bezwen, oubyen eski vreman sa dimoun i kapab ganny pran swen avek son fanmir - son prop fanmir.

Alor vwala Mr Speaker mon krwar sa 2 keksoz se ki mon ti anvi dir ozordi, napa plas mon krwar pa pou kritik a sa moman.

I en Lalwa ki ariv a son moman.


I en Lalwa ki osi bon ki nou'n kapab prepare dan letan ki in annan pou prepare.

E mon pa partaz lopinyon serten ki sa Lalwa in rush.

Mon pa vwar li en Lalwa ki'n rush ditou, mon krwar ki son filozofi 74 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 i antre tre byen dan filozofi sa ladministrasyon.

Mr Speaker avan ki mon terminen, mon pa anvi anvoy okenn Christmas wishes a sa moman.
Eski i ou lentansyon apre midi ler nou'n fini donn bann Manm - sirtou bann ki pa'n koze ki pa'n annan loportinite pou zot anvoy en Christmas wish, eski i ou lentansyon fer sa oubyen i pa ti ou lentansyon?

MR SPEAKER Onorab you’re reading my mind.

I mon lentansyon fer li, me selman nou bezwen ganny en limit lo la kantite.

Sertennman mon krwar le 2 Leaders ek zot Chief Whip i pou annan loportinite pou zot fer sa.

Nou pa pou kapab al plis.

HON BERNARD GEORGES Mersi Mr Speaker.


Avek sa donk mon ava aret la e mon ava esper mon trou en pe pli tar.

Mon remersi ou Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER Mersi Onorab.

Nou'n termin deba lo sa Bill.

Mon remersye zot bann kontribisyon.

Manm pou a repran travay 2er edmi.

Mersi.

Eskiz mwan en pti kou.

Mon'n war Onorab Gill in lev lanmen i pa lev lanmen souvan, alor mon espere i pe eklersi en pwen ki nou bezwen eklersi e pa lot keksoz.

Onorab Gill.
Onorab Gill.

HON CHURCHILL GILL Wi, mon ti pe lev mon lanmen anba Order 49(1).

MR SPEAKER Wi.

HON CHURCHILL GILL Akoz bann dimoun Baie Sainte Anne in text mwan in dir mwan poudir zot pa’n bliye zot in elekte Onorab Churchill Gill pou distrik Baie Sainte Anne.

Sel dimoun ki zot in anvoy dan Lasanble.

Mersi.

(APPLAUSE) MR SPEAKER Mersi Onorab.

Bon si mon ti konnen ou pe al dir sa mon pa ti pou’n donn ou laparol.

(laughter) Nou a pran poz e nou a repran 2er edmi.


Mon krwar repons Minis i a ed nou apre midi pou nou refocus re sitye nou lo sa Bill alor nou a pran li apre poz.

Nou (BREAK) MR SPEAKER 75 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 Bonn apre midi tou dimoun.

Nou a repran travay lo sa Bill avek repons Minis lo deba premye parti lazournen.

Minis.

MINISTER MARIE-CELINE ZIALOR Mersi Mr Speaker.

Bonn apre midi tou bann Manm.

Tou dimoun ki a lekout.


Mr Speaker mon pa bezwen bokou letan pou mwan reponn apepre zis 5 minit.

fer In annan bokou pwen ki'n ganny sirtou resorti komansman deba ki ti pe demann mwan pou eklersi ouswa pou adrese e mon pa pou al dan enn par enn e mon a eksplike akoz Mr Speaker.

Me selman mon ti ava zis eklersi serten ki mwan mon apel mal konprenezon zeneral, ki pou kouver la mazorite sa bann pwen ki'n leve dan merit, merit sa Prozedlwa.
Premye pwen sa ki devan Lasanble ozordi Mr Speaker i en Prozedlwa pou en Lazans pou formaliz Swen kot Lakour, parey bokou manm in dir.

En servis ki tre enportan parey tou bann Manm in dir.

etablir E si i enportan - si i en servis ki vreman enportan pou donn pli bokou plis pwa, mon krwar anmenn en Lalwa e garanti sa servis anba Lalwa, i en keksoz pou mwan ki tre nob e nou, nou kontan pou nou anmenn sa Lalwa ozordi.
E mon priyorite, nou priyorite nou Minister ozordi nou se pou nou sorti dan Lasanble avek en Lalwa ki permet ki nou kapab al fer sa.

E bann konsern propozisyon lo zesyon sa Lazans ki osi enportan - i osi enportan lo zesyon lo ki mannyer Lazans pou fonksyonnen, me mon pa krwar Mr Speaker si ozordi nou pe merit al debat lo la.
i pou li;- posibilite i pou la pou letan nou'n ganny sa Lalwa e Lazans in etablir i pou annan son CEO i pou annan Board, i pou annan tou son bann travayer e nou, nou ava byen kontan pou nou revin ankor dab Lasanble pou tou sa bann larestan keksoz, konsern sirtou bann pti detay lo ki mannyer pou annan kriter ensidswit.

Posibilite la Sa i sa Lazans ki pou al travay lo la.
E si i annan okenn, i annan Oral Question dan Lasanble nou ti ava byen kontan pou nou retournen lannen prosenn, pou nou kapab adres sa bann konsern spesifik.

E ki mon pa war li byen san prezans nou pa ankor apwent en CEO pou nou kapab fer sa Mr Speaker.

Mon dezyenm pwen Mr Speaker permet mwan pou zis 76 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 i eksplike re anforsi sa ki Leader Zafer lo Gouvernman azanda Gouvernman, pou profesyonnalizm moderniz sa servis e pou nou donn li en lot formil.
Sa i en servis ki nou pe garanti la avek en Lalwa, ki en dimoun i gannyen si in ariv en staz son lavi i pa kapab okip son lekor ditou e la pou li kapab ganny sans e i pa kapab ni i pa kapab finansyelman finansyelman.

I annan ki kapab finansyelman - sa ki pa kapab finansyerman pou kapab donn son ki sa Gouvernman i ava ed li pou peye sa servis pour ki i kapab gannyen.
servis lekor I pa ki nou pe al fer en lot kad travayer ki nou pou apel carer - i pa sa ki sa Lalwa i pe fer e Gouvernman napa pou le moman - pou le moman mon pe dir pou napa en loportinite ouswa pou napa okenn lide pou nou kapab al fer sa.

E sa i pou fer ki i pou reste parey Polisi la i ete, me ki i pou donn sans annan en Kontra ki pou ganny fer ant sa resipyan avek sa carer parey Onorab byen Georges leksplikasyon.
donn in E rezon akoz - mon kontan ki Leader Lopozisyon in osi koz lo la e larestan Manm osi in koz lo la, Onorab Arissol, Onorab Henrie, Onorab Georges osi in koz lo la, ki i pou fer sir ki bann fanmir i pran responsabilite ek bann fanmir i ede avek pran swen avek pa zis bann dimoun aze.

Me en lot dimoun swa in ganny aksidan, swa in santi li dan en bezwen e i annan bann fanmir ki kapab fer li e ki sa i pa vin en responsabilite pou Gouvernman fer li.
E lot pwen osi ki mon ti ava kontan fer resorti Mr Speaker an zeneral se ki, sa servis ki ganny donnen avek sa bann resipyan, i en servis ki nou pe garanti ki si ou pa kapab ki ou peye Gouvernman fer i kontribisyon pou ou kapab gannyen.

lekor ava pou I fer ki si en dimoun li i santi ki i anvi donn sa servis, i anvi donn sa servis e i anvi fer li swa lo en baz plen tan swa lo en baz mitan li ki deside.

E mon kontan ki sa pwen in ganny resorti ki nou pa oule fer sa vin en louvraz formel.
Sa dimoun ki li i santi parey en dimoun ki pe pran en Kontra par egzanp li al netway semen i annan swa li, swa i pou la anploye ouswa i dir en be non mwan mon stil lavi ouswa sa ki mon anvi fer se fer sa e sa Lalwa i fer provizyon ki sa bann dimoun i kapab pran plis ki en 77 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 Kontra mon krwar sa kestyon ti demande.

I kapab pran plis ki en Kontra i pa anpes li e si avek bann formasyon ki in ganny sa dimoun i pou kapab - parey nou pe dir - byen debourye.
I pou kapab byen debourye letan i pou'n pran detrwa Kontra.

E dapre sa ki sa Lalwa i pou preskrir pou li kapab gannyen Mr Speaker.

Fotespere mon krwar petet sa lo merit sa Prozedlwa an zeneral i en pe pli kler.

I parey en dimoun ki self- employed la, i self-employed li e li i endepandan.

Sanmenm sa ki Lalwa pe dir en travayer en depandan e li i regarde ki kantite Kontra i kapab pran.

E i en swa ki sa dimoun i pou pe fer.


E mon ti ava kontan refer sorti ki i annan - e Departman Lanplwa i a pe ankouraz bann dimoun pou antre dan lanplwa formel.

E i pe dir ek zot i annan reskilling diferan bann progranm ki ganny fer.

E dan Sesel in ganny dir ankor plizyer fwa - mon ti tann PS Baker pe dir i annan bokou plis louvraz ki dimoun Sesel an se moman.

E alors Mr Speaker i pa ki nou pe dir avek bann dimoun pa angaz zot pou zot donn sa servis.
E mon pou kontinyen refer tou sa as en servis;- i en servis en benefis ki nou a pe donnen i pa ki nou pe fer kad pou en louvraz parey kekfwa ti annan bann konfizyon.

Mon trwazyenm pwen Mr Speaker, posibilite se lamannman definitivman.

E mon'n tann Minis Hassan, mon'n tann lezot Manm Onorab osi ki'n dir avek nou ki nou Lalwa i dinamik.

E Biro Attorney Zeneral plizyer fwa in dir ek Cabinet pa per pou nou anmenn bann lamannman kot nou santi, i merit annan lamannman an mezir ki ou enplimant en Lalwa.
E mwan mon ti ava tre kontan pou mon retourn dan Lasanble.

E toultan mon kontan dir dan sa Lasanble ki si i annan en keksoz ki nou'n devlope nou pe fer, sirtou nou'n dir premye Lalwa ki nou fer - premye.

E nou santi i annan keksoz pou aranze plito nou ganny kritike nou pe aranze, ki nou kit li parey i ete apre nou fer krwar nou kouver bann keksoz ki mal avek.
Mwan mon pou napa problenm ditou Mr Speaker, i ava en gran plezir pou mwan retourn Lasanble si i annan en keksoz ki nou santi nou bezwen vin adrese.

Katriyenm pou nou petet nou'n ganny kritike ki napa konsiltasyon, nou a pe tay avek.

78 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 Be mon’n tann plizyer bann Manm in koz lo bann miting ki'n bann ganny konsiltasyon.
fer E Komite Teknik ki'n travay in vwar ki depi 2018 ti pe travay lo sa Prozedlwa e in annan bokou, bokou, bokou miting ki'n ganny fer, in annan bokou bann konsiltasyon ki’n ganny fer avek diferan dimoun.

E letan konsiltasyon in ganny fer i pa vedir ki prezan nou tou bezwen rekomandasyon ba konsiltasyon.
pran sa Komite Teknik i annan en Komite Teknik ki'n ganny chair par 2 dimoun ki pe asiz lo panel ozordi, chair avek co-chair e zot in fer en kantite louvraz depi lannen pase pou zot kapab travay lo la e koz avek en kantite dimoun pou zot kapab.

E regarde dan lepase osi ki'n pase pou nou.

So i pa en keksoz ki fek komanse i pa en keksoz ki nou pe pran a la lezer osi tou Mr Speaker.

E i annan osi konsern lo sa ki konsern bann msye, bann zonm travay koman carer.

I osi i en fo konsep.


Nou kapab dir ki depi Septanm 2022 i annan 410 zonm ki pe travay koman carer.

Savedir sa Lalwa pa pe anpes okenn zonm pou travay koman carer.

Zot pe travay kekfwa si i annan bann ka spesifik ki ganny anmennen sa i ka par ka me i pa pe anpes okenn zonm travay koman carer.

Lazans Setyenm konsernan laz travay koman pou komans carer.

Proteksyon Sosyal pe deza adres sa.


I deza annan bann travay ki in koman fer pour vwar ki lo en baz ka par ka e nou tou nou'n adrese poudir wi sa laz 25an pou re regarde pou revwar.

Sa nou kapab dir poudir i deza pe komans ganny fer sa louvraz.

I Mon lot pwen provizyon tranzitwar ki sa Prozedlwa i pe fer referans avek.

I bezwen ganny fer sa, definitivman.

I pa akoz ki nou'n tay avek prezan i bezwen.


responsabilite Gouvernman pou fer sir ki letan ou annan - ou pe bouz e i pa pe zis en Prozedlwa sa i pe bouz sorti kot Proteksyon Sosyal Mr kot Speaker, Departman Lafanmir i pe sorti kot en Minister pou la kot en lot.

vin pe i annan I bezwen en provizyon tranzitwar e CEO Morin avek PS Roucou zot annan en plan e zot pe travay ki'n komanse parey mon pe dir depi lannen pase lo diferan mwan kan ki bouze, ki mannyer keksoz i pou ganny fer.
Lo ki konsern sa Lazans, eski i pou regilariz tou servis ouswa zis prive ouswa piblik?

I 79 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 en Lalwa ki regilariz tou servis sa nou anvi fer kler.

E kot i konsern kondisyon mon konnen sa enn ki la in ganny bokou lo merit kondisyon travay carer.

konteste Mon Kontra, resipyan, si i pou annan en Tripartite Agreement ouswa si nou pe lav lanmen parey Pilat ensidswit.

konnen poudir Leader Gouvernman in adres en pti git lo la.
Me selman ler ou annan en Kontra - mon pa konnen si kekfwa nou krwar sa Kontra i pou diferan avek lezot Kontra travay ki en dimoun i annan - i pou en Kontra ant sa resipyan ki pe ganny sa servis avek sa dimoun ki pou al donn sa swen.

E Lazans li parey nou filozofi bann Polisi nou Gouvernman, nou regilarize nou fasilitater.

E nou anvi ki responsabilite osi bann fanmir e larestan dimoun i pran zot responsabilite.
E ladan dan sa Kontra, mon konnen nou pe deside ki pou annan dan sa Kontra - i pour ki kondisyon ant sa 2 dimoun.

E Kontra i bezwen diferan dapre definitivman bezwen sa dimoun, dapre bann diferan konfizyon e i bezwen annan en Lazans ki la pou li kapab ekout tousala pou li kapab ekrir sa bann Kontra pou fasilit keksoz.
- fer ek Lalwa lo E parey mon'n dir komansman Mr Speaker, sa i en bon pe, i parey … i annan i pou fonksyonnman sa Lazans ki apre si Lasanble parey in ganny rekomandasyon ki mon vreman apresye sa rekomandasyon ki i kapab diskit avek Lasanble lo larestan sa bann kriter keksoz, nou, nou pare pou fer li letan sa Lazans in ganny etablir.
lo E mon krwar mon dernyen pwen Mr Speaker pou terminen fason evalyasyon ki'n koz lo la nou'n koz bokou lo Barthel zis pou enform Lasanble avek tou dimoun nou pe servi WHODAS pa Barthel pou fer evalyasyon.

fini ganny aprouve sa pou nou kapab revwar la fason e pou adres en pe bann konsern lo sa bann dimoun ki pou ganny par Lazans Servis Lasante, pou kapab ganny akse avek sa servis ki nou a pe koz lo la.

in deza E An gro Mr Speaker sa Prozedlwa i pe zis pou nou kapab etablir sa Lazans.
E son merit, son merit pou etablir - nou pe al dan Staz Komite mon pa oule koz lo bann pwen spesifik akoz bann petet bann mo, bann wording dan sa Lalwa - mwan mon pa en expert Lalwa - mon a les sa pou bann dimoun ki expert Lalwa - bann wording 80 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 nenport ki la fason ki'n ganny ekrir ki anpes nou ouswa ki pa donn parey nou pe dir, en bon komansman sa Lazans la nou ava envit bann Manm pou fer bann sizesyon, ki nou ava konsidere definitivman pou kapab aranz li.
Parey mon'n dir nou pwen prensipal se pou nou sorti avek en bon Lalwa, ki nou kapab komans travay avek pou nou kapab etablir.

E si nou dir i enportan - tou sa letan in enportan nou napa en Lalwa - nou, nou pe dir i enportan nou pe anmenn en Lalwa, en Prozedlwa pou nou kapab fer ki sa servis osi i ganny kouver - ki nou bann dimoun i ganny kouver anba en Lalwa ki bezwen en servis, me ki pa kapab fourni sa servis lo li menm.
E prensipalman mon pe mazin bann dimoun ki bezwen - byen bezwen sa servis swen kot lakour, ki pe ekout nou la ki pou pe bezwen annan en Lalwa ki kouver zot ki formaliz en pe sa bann swen ki zot, zot bezwen.

Bann dimoun aze, dimoun bann zanfan, dimoun ki fer aksidan.

Nenport ki dimoun ki byen bezwen li.

dezabilite, E son fonksyonnman Lalwa i pa dan Lalwa li menm, i pou avek sa Lazans ki prezan i pou al enplimante e sa nou pou ganny sans mon mazinen lannen prosenn Mr Speaker pou regarde.
E nou pou envit tou bann Manm pou kontribye pou nou kapab fer sir ki nou annan en bon Lalwa e ki Lazans i ava kapab enplimante.

E Lasanble i la pou li sirvey travay sa Lazans e regarde ki mannyer ansanm nou a kapab bouz devan e formaliz enn fwa pour tou regilariz e fasilit sa servis ki nou bann dimoun i pe ekspekte, nou garanti zot anba en Lalwa.

E avek sa mon krwar Mr Speaker mon ava termin mon Repons.
E mon ava dir mersi bokou davans pou bann kontribisyon, bann lamannman ki pou anmennen pou fer nou ganny en bon Lalwa pou nou kapab al travay avek.

E mon ti ava kontan osi remersi bokou PS Linda William avek son tim, li ki ti Chair pou travay lo la, Deputy Chair ti PS Roucou e ansanm avek CEO Morin e avek Ms Amelie kot Attorney Zeneral ki'n travay sanses bokou travay pou nou kapab nou'n al en bon pe vatevyen avek sa Lalwa, ki nou'n nobou kapab anmenn sa devan Lasanble ozordi.

Mersi bokou Mr Speaker.


81 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 MR SPEAKER Mersi Minis pou ou Repons.

Mon ava aprezan apel bann Manm pou vot lo general merit sa Lalwa dan Second Reading.

Manm ki an faver lev lanmen?

Mersi.

Manm ki vot kont?

General merit Home Care Agency Bill, 2022 16 Manm in vot pour.

0 kont e 9 Manm in abstain.

Bill in aprouve par Lasanble.

E nou a fer Formal Second Reading.

MADAM CLERK Mersi Mr Speaker.


A Bill for an Act to establish the Seychelles Home Care Agency that will register beneficiaries of home care services and home care givers and administer and regulate the provision of home care services and for other connected or incidental matters.

Mersi Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER Mersi Madam Clerk.

Byen nou pe al dan Staz Komite nou a pas- Lo kote Bills Committee lekel ki pou pran sarz?

Onorab Naidu mon a donn ou laparol.


Parey labitid nou a pas annord e nou a sey gard focus lo sa ki annan dan Bill.

HON SATHYA NAIDU givers, Mersi Mr Chair.

Nou ava komans avek long title lo paz 5.

Insertion of commas.

Start with ‘’ the beneficiary of home care (comma) and home services, care (comma) and the administer and regulate provision of home care services’’ (insertion of a comma)’’ and for other connected or incidental matters.’’ To simply ensure that it reads better.
the interpretation section page 6.

‘’Certificate of competence means a certificate evidencing competence in home care the Seychelles Qualifications Authority.’’ So we are deleting ‘’in home care on an elementary intermediate or advanced level.’’ recognised by In MR SPEAKER Byen.

Nou pe kontinyen parey labitid.

Onorab Georges in lev lanmen.

Onorab.

HON BERNARD GEORGES Mersi Mr Chair.

Mr Chair mon retourn lo long title.


Mon pa konnen si sa premye comma ki nou'n insert i merite – ‘’that we register beneficiaries of home care services’’ mon krwar i devret kontinyen ‘’and home care givers,’’ and then comma ‘’and administer and regulate’’ akoz sa i en diferan seksyon.

82 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 And then the next comma mon krwar i neseser.

Me mon krwar the first one is one comma too far.

Mersi.
Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Wi, vi ki i annan en ‘’and’’ avek i zwenn sa 2 ansanm.

Bills Committee, panel nou aksepte sa amendment?

HON SATHYA NAIDU Yes Mr Chair.

MR SPEAKER Onorab Pillay.

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Mersi Mr Chairman.

Mr Chairman an relasyon avek sa certificate of competency eski en kapab mon klarifikasyon panel?

demann Home care as recognised by the Seychelles Qualifications Authority.

Mon kestyon i is the Seychelles Qualifications Authority qualified to recognise a certificate in home care?
Given a that a relationship connotation of Health?

homecare that has gives par Ozordi egzanp sertifika en dokter i pa ganny recognised par en Qualifications Authority, se en medical Council ki determinen.

Allied Health professionals and lezot konsey, Nurses and Midwives Council i recognised pou nurses.

Why are we Qualifications Authority in this context?

putting I would want a reference Authority ki annan konpetans pou recognised sa kalifikasyon.
Mon pe zis go Mr Chairman avek sa ki mon'n war i egziste Australie i pa en Qualifications Authority ki fer sa.

Australie i annan en sistenm home care ki i an egzistans bokou letan.

I annan Seselwa ki pe fer li e ki i annan en subset pou bann care givers e zot recognised bann diferan konpetans pou bann care givers dan diferan domenn enkli Langleter osi parey.

Mersi Mr Chairman.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Lo kote panel lekel ki e pran laparol?


MINISTER MARIE-CELINE ZIALOR Mr Speaker yes, Linda William- Melanie i a reponn.

MR SPEAKER PS?

Yes PS go ahead.

PS LINDA WILLIAM-MELANIE Mersi Mr Chair.

Mr Chair rezon ki SQA ki'n ganny mansyonnen dan sa Prozedlwa se akoz li ki the Authority ki validate tou bann training ki ganny fer.
83 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 Bann module i ganny anvoye kot SQA e bann training depi avan ki ti pe ganny fer par NIHSS pou bann carer, tousala i bezwen pas atraver si oule SQA.

So si i annan okenn Lotorite ki anvi donn training zot bezwen zot osi fer sir zot pas atraver sa Lotorite.

Mersi Mr Chair.

MR SPEAKER Alright, kontinyen Onorab Naidu.

thank you.

Nou a HON SATHYA NAIDU Yes, Mr Chair.


Dan seksyon ‘’needs interpretation assessment’’ under the third line under section 10 ‘’to determine if he or she is eligible for home care,’’ comma.

On to clause...- MR SPEAKER Un lanmen ki'n leve.

instant.

Mon annan 2 HON SATHYA NAIDU Alright.

MR SPEAKER Wi Onorab Pillay?

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Mersi Mr Chair.

Mr Chair dan son summing up Minis in mansyonn WHODAS, mon pe la poudir means regard WHODAS ki relate to mostly in relation to disability.
Mon war ‘’needs an assessment assessment made by a medical or health professional into the needs of an applicant under section 10 to determine if he or she is eligible to home care.

‘’ Now, mon pa war kote WHODAS i antre ladan.

Mon pe prezimen poudir sa assessment i ganny fer in the basis of the competency of that medical professional.

Par egzanp si en dimoun i ganny epilepsy en dokter i determinen i ganny epilepsy.

Now WHODAS takes it further.


WHODAS deals with the intervention ki bezwen ganny fer ki lenpak sa lentervansyon pou annan lo sa endividi.

The way I see it i se ki mon pa pe war ki mannyer sa 2 i konekte la.

Unless zot kapab eksplik mwan how you’re going to connect the 2.

Given ki zot pe servi sa a zot basic metric for assessment.

So nou bezwen ganny en klarifikasyon Mr Speaker akoz i serye.
What it means se ki demen Mr Speaker ou ganny en latak ou ale, se en dokter ki fer assessment lo ou whether or not ou bezwen en carer.

Whereas WHODAS is different.

So eski dokter pou servi WHODAS in pou the assessment?

I 84 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 enteresan pou vwar ki mannyer dokter pou fer sa.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi nou aprann sa kestyon premye.

PS?

PS LINDA WILLIAM-MELANIE Mersi Mr Chair.


Ankor zis pou donn en pti pe klarifikasyon dan bann travay ki nou'n fer, nou'n travay tre pre avek Health Care Agency.

E WHODAS li i si oule i sa tool ki pou ranplas Barthel dan lesans kot i evalye fonksyonnman en dimoun.

E parey nou konnen letan nou pe koz servis home care, servis home care i osi annan pou fer avek fonksyonnman en dimoun.

E avek sa WHODAS pou annan en needs assessment tool ki se sa ki pou determinen.
tool ler nou'n servi sa Si WHODAS in war poudir dizon ou'n ganny en latak, i annan serten aktivite serten mouvman ki ou pa kapab fer, e prezan ou bezwen ganny en servis carer, la sa needs assessment i pou dir ou poudir be i pa kapab servi son lanmen gos.

So alor son needs i bezwen ganny petet ganny son ben, i bezwen ganny tel, i bezwen ganny son manze dimoun i bezwen fer li manze.

So sa ki i pe dir by needs assessment, what is your need?
Your need se apre ki ou ganny assess par sa lot tool, i poudir ou poudir ou pa kapab, ou pa kapab fonksyonnen full capacity, alor ou bezwen en serten lasistans.

And this is your need pou ou ganny ben, pou ou ganny manze, pou ou shopping ganny al fer pou ou akoz ou pa kapab deplase kot ou lakaz.

So vwala en pti pe ki savedir sa needs assessment.

Mersi Mr Chair.

MR SPEAKER Wi Onorab Pillay, oule pursue sa pwen la?

Yes nou a fer li.

it comes HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Mersi Mr Chairman.


Mon swiv larepons ki'n ganny donnen ki the basic metric is WHODAS.

Prezan to needs assessment.

So going prezan to mon kestyon, where is the needs assessment?

is it going to be prescribed or se ki sa ou en internal procedure ki pou ganny met plas following implementation of the law?

an Where can we find needs assessment?


Akoz mon rezon mon kestyon se akoz, demen ou ganny ou en aplikan i annan en needs assessment ki'n ganny fer of course you’ll be subjective 85 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 a basis case-by-case on depending on sa ki ou prezante.

Be nou bezwen admet ki pou annan en kategori dimoun si in ganny en latak laservel oubyen si in ganny en lot problenm, ki pou annan en serten mobilite ki i pa pou kapab fer.

I pou tonm dan menm subset.


So eski i pou annan en preskripsyon of sa needs assessment?

Kote ki nou koman Manm Lasanble par egzanp dan sa Lalwa nou pa pe war li la, kote ki i ete sa needs assessment please?

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

PS, wi?

PS LINDA WILLIAM-MELANIE Mr Chair.

Sa needs assessment i pou ganny fer par HCA.

I kapab ganny fer par atraver diferan group profesyonnel, ki letan i pe vwar sa dimoun therapist, occupational physiotherapist, e son Zofisye Medikal en nurse.
So i pou sitye avek HCA pa avek sa nouvo Lazans.

Se ler sa dimoun in fini fer son needs assessment in konnen ki servis i pou bezwen, la ki i vin kot Lazans avek son sertifika needs assessment ki i gannyen avek HCA pou li kapab apply pou li ganny en carer.

Mersi Mr Chair.

MR SPEAKER Mersi PS.

Onorab Gill.

HON CHURCHILL GILL Mersi Mr Chair.

Zis en presizyon, mon note ki sa Bill li pou Seychelles Home Care Agency Bill.

Dan definition i annan home care apre home care giver.
Me selman taler dan bann lentervansyon ki'n ganny fer, in fer sorti ki i annan bann dimoun ki zot, zot rod etranze pou vin travay pou zot.

Prezan mon pe zis gete si sa bann group koumsa pou reste antyerman deor sa Bill, zot pou napa naryen pou fer ek sa oubyen - or otherwise?

Zis en klarifikasyon pou kler lo la.

MR SPEAKER Thank you.

Dan panel lekel ki pou adrese?

Etranze?

PS carry on.

PS LINDA WILLIAM-MELANIE Mersi Mr Chair.

Parey sa Bill li menm pe dir sa Lazans i pou regulate home care service.
Kwa ki ou en etranze, ou pe vin donn en servis enn nou sitwayen Seselwa.

E rezondet se ki pou fer sir i nou protez nou sitwayen osi ler en etranze i antre dan lakaz en dimoun.

86 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 Malgre i kapab pe pey sa carer li menm.

Me sa carer etranze i bezwen anrezistre akoz sa Agency i bezwen annan oversight pou konnen lekel ki pe donn care?

Akoz mazinen anba la i annan lofans osi.


So alor i pou enportan ki bann etranze - bann carer etranze ki vin dan pei - ki en dimoun i fer li vini lo prive akoz i annan son mwayen pou li peye - me selman apre ki in ganny son GOP avek tou keksoz i bezwen anrezistre ek Lazans, ok?

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi PS.

Amwen ki ou ti lo menm pwen, mon ava.

Menm pwen, ok.

Non Onorab Gill in ok li, i annan Onorab Cosgrow ki'n lev lanmen si ou lo menm pwen ale.

Onorab Pillay.

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Mersi Mr Chairman.


I tie in en pri pe avek pwen ki mon'n raise oparavan, me mon ava refer mon pwen apre.

Me lo sa pwen regarding sa eski ou pe dir ek nou - e mon bezwen kler lo la - eski ou pe dir ek nou la mannyer mon war ou pe formaliz prosedir GOP pou en dimoun ki vin en carer.

Akoz i vin pli - mon pa pe dir i vin pli fasil - mon pe dir i vin pli kler.

I pe vin anba sa Lalwa, i pe vin anrezistre ek sa Lazans i pou annan en custodianship of sa GOP ler sa dimoun pe gannyen.
Is that what you’re telling us la?

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Thank you.

PS ou ti a kontan klarifye?

PS LINDA WILLIAM-MELANIE Mersi Mr Chair.

Pa sa ki mon pe sey dir.

Sa ki nou pe dir sa dimoun li i santi in ganny assess par lasante, i santi i bezwen en carer e fanmir sa dimoun or sa dimoun li menm i santi i prefere;- sirtou par egzanp ler nou ganny bann live- in carer i prefere al rod en dimoun aletranze li i fer son laplikasyon GOP i fer tou son prosedir li.
Me enn fwa ki i pe al take up louvraz carer isi dan nou pei Sesel, i anrezistre avek Lazans ki at least Lazans i annan sa lenformasyon.

Demen i annan en konplent ki ganny fer, i ava annan en Lotorite atraver sa monitoring officer ki kapab antre osi pou fer sir ki sa dimoun en i proteksyon, i pa pe ganny abize osi.
annan la So vwala bann proteksyon ki nou pe mete pou fer sir ki ler nou pe dir regulate la, i sa servis ki pe ganny donnen par sa care 87 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 giver.

Kwa ki dan en lakour kot Gouvernman i pey sa carer oubyen kot i ganny peye par i zis parey Minister prive, Lasante i regulate bann private medical clinics, pharmacies.

So i bezwen annan en Lotorite ki pe get sa servis ki pli ale pe vin an demann.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Wi nou a terminen Onorab Pillay.


HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Wi mon konnen Mr Speaker ou konsernen Chairman avek bann pwen ki nou linger, me nou pa pe linger lo la nou.

Sa ki prezan nou pe gete se ki ler sa dimoun in ganny son GOP i vin travay, vi ki i antre dan en register ki zot, zot pe manage – correct.

Sa register i en register ki montre tou dimoun ki pe provide care, GOP or otherwise.
Now, mon kestyon very simple - si par egzanp mon'n ganny mon assessment, mon'n needs kalifye pou mon ganny en carer atraver Home Care Agency.

Eski mon kapab fer vini en carer etranze avek mon GOP i vin travay e Home Care Agency ki pe pey son ki pe donn sa larzan, eski sa I an …?

Eski mannyer nou pe dir - akoz Lalwa pa anpese la, akoz ler mon pe li Lalwa i still possible.

So eski that will be possible as well?

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER PS wi?

PS LINDA WILLIAM-MELANIE Mr Chair.


Sa Lazans parey nou'n dir i pou regulate home care service.

En dimoun i ganny son needs assessment ki war ki i bezwen en carer.

Mon a pran sa legzanp petet mwan pou mon manman.

fanmir nou Si nou koman annan larzan e nou pa bezwen vin kot Gouvernman, nou fer nou laranzman nou rod nou GOP nou al rod nou carer etranze.

Me ler sa carer etranze i antre dan pei, i vin anrezistre avek Lazans, pou fer sir ki si zanmen i annan en keksoz i annan monitoring ki ganny fer.
Gouvernman i pou pey - parey Minis in dir dan son lentrodiksyon avek son rezimen taler - home care service ki Gouvernman i peye i pou pas atraver means test.

Ler in fini fer son needs test assessment parey fer i ete konmela Barthel.
i Ler Barthel i dir poudir wi in bezwen en carer i vin apply kot Lazans ASP konmela, ler sa nouvo Lazans i vini sa dimoun prezan i pa pou ale kot ASP li, i 88 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 pou al kot sa Lazans ki sipoze pe regulate e sa Lazans ki Gouvernman pou met an plas pou asire ki i donn sa servis.
So enn fwa ki la kot Lazans i apply, i pou fer sa means test process baze avek son needs test assessment ki in gannyen ki montre wi i bezwen en carer prezan Lazans pou determinen si Gouvernman pou peye e konbyen i pou peye.

Se tou ki Lazans pou bezwen fer.

Mersi Mr Chair.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Onorab Pillay nou a terminen silvouple.

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Mr Chairman mon bezwen press lo la.

Nou'n ganny dan summing-up Minis en statement ki'n dir nou Barthel pe ganny ranplase par WHODAS.
La nou'n ganny PS ki dir nou ler i fer son Barthel.

So klarifye premyerman pou mwan lekel ki pou ganny servi dan sa konteks?

as may Dezyenmman an relasyon ek seksyon 10, apre ou needs assessment be prescribed by law i dir i bezwen ganny prescribed - mon pa'n war sa prescription needs assessment nor the form zot in dir nou sa pou vin apre.

Ler sa dimoun in ganny kalifye pou en carer.


E admeton baze lo ou needs assessment ou'n dir poudir sa dimoun i kapab ganny financial assistance pou en Home Care Agency pou en carer, eski sa dimoun i kapab pran en carer etranze pou travay avek li?

Ou ganny mwan la?

Mersi.

sa MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Minis in lev lanmen.

Minis i ava adrese.

MINISTER MARIE-CELINE ZIALOR Wi.

Mersi Mr Chair.

Mon krwar mon konpran kote Leader Lopozisyon pe vini avek sa kestyon.
Mon krwar si en dimoun - sa in fer kler i pou en dimoun ki pa kapab, akoz pou ou al dan sa bann demars rod en dimoun aletranze, ou annan mwayen.

Si ou annan mwayen ou pa pou vin kot Gouvernman pou ou vin rod sa lasistans ou al direk kot laba kot ou rod GOP ou fer selman parey PS in eksplike ou anrezistre.
Si ou santi apre - sanmenm sa labi ki ou pe vin kot Gouvernman selman ou bezwen led ou, ou bezwen led finansyel ou pe al prezantre dan sa zafer dimoun vini pou fer Gouvernman peye, nou pa pou 89 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 antre ladan - pa pou antre ladan sa.

Sa Lazans pa pou antre ladan.

Akoz i means test i pou dir ki kantite ki sa dimoun dapre son mwayen ki i pou gannyen.

I en servis ki pe donn dimoun ki bezwen ki napa sa.

E vwala.
E vwala.

I pa vedir ki akoz Gouvernman pou donnen ki son standar pou desann vwala akoz nou'n anmenn Lalwa pou regilarize pou met en standar ki i pou annan.

Mon krwar i annan en pti pe konfizyon Mr Chair si mon pa konnen Leader Lopozisyon i ti annan kekfwa lezot par deryer lot kestyon sa kestyon en ouswa en lot azanda, ki i anvi petet vreman fer pase.

Ouswa si zis kekfwa i pe regarde si en dimoun i kapab i pe vin means test, selman i oule ki Gouvernman i al rod en travayer etranze pou li, non.
Mersi Mr Chair.

MR SPEAKER Mersi Minis.

Onorab Cosgrow ou kestyon i ankor la?

Be poz li.

HON WALLACE COSGROW Mersi Mr Chair.

Mr Chair mon ti annan enn, be ler bann demars pe deroule mon'n ganny 3 sepa 4.

MR SPEAKER Non, annou retourn lo ou enn.

HON WALLACE COSGROW Mon premye i konsern needs assessment.

Mon anvi zot fer li kler, sa needs assessment la eski son labaz se WHODAS; savedir bann prensip WHODAS ki pou gid sa needs assessment par HCA?

Sa ki mon anvi zot fer li kler ladan.


Akoz ler nou pe koz WHODAS apre nou pe koz needs assessment, nou ganny lenpresyon ki i annan 3 zafer me solman mon anvi zot fer li kler.

Mon dezyenm kestyon Mr Speaker i sa ki konsern sa ki pe deroule la en.

Ler dizon mwan mon santi poudir mon paran i annan- mon pa kapab reste ek li en, i pe neseserman bezwen carer li, i kapab sey fer son pti zafer me selman i reste li tousel.
Mwan mon deside mon Wallace Cosgrow mon kapab afford pou mwan rod en etranze pou vin reste avek mon paran.
fer tou mon Mon'n priveman mon laranzman Kontra i pou en Kontra prive avek sa dimoun, regardless ki sa dimoun i ete ki son louvraz ki ti pe fer, ler i vini i pou bezwen anrezistre ek ou e pou registration subject criteria, kot si ou krwar poudir sa dimoun i napa en sertifika to your 90 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 home care then ou, ou kapab dir li pa vin travay avek mwan ki'n fer laranzman prive avek li?

So si ou kapab klarifye sa avek mon silvouple.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.


I annan 2 pwen.

Nou a pas premye kot CEO.

CEO BRENDA MORIN Bonn apre midi Mr Speaker.

Mersi.

Bonn apre midi tou Onorab.

Onorab mersi pou ou kestyon.

Pou donn ou en pe klarifikasyon lo sa enn premye la ki i paret i annan en pe i annan konfizyon.

Ozordi needs assessment ki'n ganny fer i apel Barthel, i ganny fer kot HCA.

Dan sa bann reform ki pe ganny fer Barthel pe ganny ranplase by WHODAS li osi i apel en needs assessment.
Demen kekfwa nou pou vin avek en lot dan 10an, i pou still en needs assessment, so nou pe sanz Barthel pou met WHODAS li ki apel needs assessment ki ganny fer kot lopital laba.

Li sanmenm sa menm prosedir ki pe pase la i pe kontinyen.

Savedir laba kot lopital i fer ou assessment apel li ki oule i fer sa assessment apre ou anmenn kot sa Lazans pou li fer ou means test parey nou pe fer ozordi.

Me zis en nouvo tool ki pe anmennen.


Sa nouvo tool i en pe pli gran, i donn en pli bon rezilta se sa sanzman ki i vini.

Me selman i ti kapab reste Barthel li me selman nou pe servi enn nouvo ok?

Sa lo sa enn premye.

Ou dezyenm kestyon ti si oule anmenn ou prop carer ou pe fer ou Kontra avek li.

Ler ou pou vin anrezistre kot sa Lazans, wi i kapab gete.

Si ou pe fer desann ler en dimoun i annan zis klarifikasyon dan peser, me definitivman nou war i pa kapab vin carer.

I napa naryen pou fer ek carer.


Alors sa Lazans i form par dan monitoring i pe gete.

Oubyen ou’n anmenn sa i konn fer en servis ki dan ou biznes ou, ou pe dir i en carer, nou pou vwar klerman i pa en carer.

So definitivman sa Lazans pou kapab entervenir ladan poudir oli ki in fer carer son kalifikasyon, oubyen wi i pa kapab i napa fer, akoz kalifikasyon ladan.
So tousala i form par sa bann monitoring, pou anpes sa bann labi ki'n arive kot menm dan carer ki dimoun prive in anmennen, i pa pe travay koman carer i zis ganny kasyet anba la osi.

So tousala i pou form par dan sa Lazans - monitoring.

91 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 Me selman i byen sa ki ou'n dir wi i pou en Kontra ki ou, ou pou fer avek ou dimoun prive ki ou'n anmennen me selman Lazans pou annan en oversight over it.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Mon ti annan lanmen isi.


Onorab ki'n Georges premye apre Onorab Arissol e apre Onorab Loze.

leve kote HON BERNARD GEORGES Mersi Mr Speaker.

Mr Speaker annefe mon pe swiv sa dernyen kestyon.

Si mon regard seksyon 6, clause 6.

Clause 6 i dir ki “A home care giver, not being a person concerning which a family or other arrangement outside of this Act is made, shall not provide home care without registering”.
Savedir ki dan legzanp Onorab Cosgrow mwan mon al rod - i pa bezwen en etranze i kapab en Seselwa osi - mon al rod en dimoun prive, mon pa pas atraver laba akoz mon pa bezwen means test, mon pa bezwen zot larzan.

Sa home care giver pa bezwen ganny register.

Under 6 i pa bezwen akoz i tonm an deor “is not a person concerning which” ou konpran?

So eski mon konpran zot byen, ki sa dimoun pa bezwen ganny anrezistre, me i pou still ganny monitor anba clause 4(f)?
Clause 4(f) “monitor home care provided by home care givers”.

Akoz i pou still en home care giver, me i pa pou en registered home care giver.

E si se pa sa lentansyon, si lentansyon parey PS Melanie, William Melanie in dir, se ki tou care givers whether home atraver zot, atraver the Act or separate i ganny anrezistre, la mon krwar nou bezwen tir sa clause dan 6 ‘’not being a eksetera, that person’’ everybody is covered.

Mersi.

Premye pwen.

Dezyenm very briefly Mr Chair eskiz mwan, mon retourn title.
Premye landrwa kot home care givers i dan sa tit, ‘’homecare’’ is one word, whereas it should be 2 words akoz in ganny define koman ‘’home care giver’’ dan 3 mo.

Mersi.

pwen long so lo MR SPEAKER Mersi.

sa dezyenm pwen mon sipoze i ase senp pou aksepte.

Si panel napa okenn obzeksyon zis Bills Committee i ava note.

Lo lot kestyon panel.

Lekel ki kapab adrese?

LEGAL AMELIE NOURRICE DRAFTSPERSON 92 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 akoz nou'n Thank you Mr Chair.
Ok so rezon enkli ‘’concerning which a familiar arrangement outside of the Act is made’’ i akoz nou ti anvi par egzanp; Si mwan mon annan mon vye paran e mon anvi just give home care without even going to the necessity sorry pou financial assistance, then I could have it without having to go through all the mechanisms konmsi ki nou'n delineate anba sa Lalwa.
Nou pa anvi en sityasyon kot if it’s clear, that’s it - akoz the Agency is given the power to go and monitor either when they’ve been registered or not.

Because we’re regulating home care generally.

Be selman si i kler ki mwan I want to take care of my mother for example, mon kapab zis - I mean (sorry:- ok. Can I have a minute please?

Ok. MR SPEAKER One second, si ou a zis poz nou a les Minis take over adrese e nou a regarde apre.

Minis.

MINISTER MARIE-CELINE ZIALOR Mersi Mr Chair.


Zis pou les Ms Amelie breathe en pti git.

Mon krwar ki i pe eksplik nou la se ki ekout ankor Onorab Georges la ki i pe dir sa.

Si i bezwen fer lamannman problenm.

nou napa Me selman ki nou alor nou ti anvi, si en zafer fanmir napa larzan la, si ou anvi ekip ou vye paran ou anvi fer laranzman kot napa en Kontra, napa sa bann keksoz formel, si ou'n deside poudir ou kapab i annan ase ou pou ekip ou paran ou pa bezwen al okenn par, napa problenm.
Mon mazinen se sa ki nou ti pe met sa clause Onorab.

Me si nou'n mal mete kekfwa petet ou ava diriz nou.

Me selman dek koman - dek konan i annan en Kontra, dek koman i annan en keksoz formel menm si ou a pe al prive ou a pe al sours sa servis lo en baz Kontra, la ou pou bezwen anrezistre.

Si nou'n mal met li kekfwa petet ou ava diriz nou.

Mersi Mr Chair.

MR SPEAKER Onorab Georges eski nou'n settle pwen konsernen clause 6?

HON BERNARD GEORGES Wi.

Yes and no Mr Chair.


Mon preferans mwan me mon pa konnen si se sa ki preferans panel se ki, parey PS Melanie in dir every care giver through the Act or not i bezwen anrezistre, i bezwen ganny monitored by the Agency.
93 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 Mon krwar that the – if that is the aim, nou bezwen e fer 2 sanzman;- enn subject to what the legal draftsperson i ava dir nou, enn se tir sa clause dan 6 pou dir ki en ‘’home care giver shall not provide home care’’ so if that covers everybody within the Act or not.
Me nou pou bezwen remont en pti pe dan definition section kot home care giver, ‘’definition of home care giver means a person who provides home care to a beneficiary.’’ ‘’Beneficiary is defined as the person receiving home care under this Act.’’ Setadir atraver ASP.

Nou bezwen tir sa mo dan home care giver who provides home care to a beneficiary’’ zis dir to provide home care to a covers person, non- beneficiaries beneficiaries as well.

Mersi.
Mersi.

it and then MR SPEAKER Letan nou ankor lo sa pwen, mon konnen mon pa sipoze pe tro antre dan deba, me si nou tir sa clause eski mon ti a kontan klarifye.

in Eski en dimoun ki normal course of life en zanfan i pe reste avek son manman son vye paran, is giving care eski i bezwen al anba?

E si nou tir sa eski nou pe met problenm lo sa kalite sityasyon?

Sorry si mon pa anvi konplik deba, me petet panel ti kapab zis fer en pwen, sorry.
Onorab Arissol eski ou ti lo sa pwen mon war ou… Yes Onorab, silvouple adrese?

HON SANDY ARISSOL Mersi Mr Chair.

Mon krwar pwen ki ou pe fer i enportan e nou pe koz sa nou de Onorab Onorab Wallace Henrie.

Cosgrow lev en pwen in enportan me selman letan mon ekout Mrs Morin avek PS le pwen lesansyel.

Nou annan 2 senaryo, en senaryo kot mwan mon annan mon vye papa, mon deside pran 1an sabbatical leave without pay pou mwan travay avek mon vye papa dan lakour akoz i mon papa.
Still kantmenm i mon papa, mon deside al carer avek li mon al anrezistre, kantmenm i mon papa mon pou bezwen al anrezistre.

bezwen pou Akoz mon'n deside en sel kou apre 45an al travay en kou avek mon papa pandan 1an, kwa mon anvi revanze, mon anvi bis li?

Lazans i bezwen konnen ki care ki mon pe pran avek li koman sa dimoun aze, oubyen sa dezabilite.

Sa premye.
Sa premye.

94 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 senaryo Dezyenm i senaryo ki Onorab Wallace in anmennen mon deside mon annan mon larzan mon annan tou mon mwayen fer vini en etranze dan pei pou travay ek mon vye paran.

Ou bezwen anrezistre.

Ou konnen akoz mon dakor sa anrezistre, parske se la kot labi - pa pou sa dimoun ki i pe travay avek, me pou sa etranze ki mon'n anmennen.

Akoz?
Akoz?

Letan mon deside pran mon manman anmenn li 3 mwan Australie mon annan drwa vire dir avek sa enn ki mon'n anmenn pou travay carer ‘’Get sa, la i annan sa bout later ki ou war laba deryer arpan la nou'n gannyen sa met en pe mayok lo la touzour ziska ler mon vini.’’ Be i pa'n vin plant mayok isi li, li in vin travay carer avek mon manman.

Alor Lazans i bezwen konnen ki pe arive - pa zis avek sa dimoun aze oubyen sa dezabilite - me osi avek sa imen ki'n sorti aletranze in vin donn en servis dan nou pei.
Alor mwan mon dakor ek sa pwen.

En pti pe sa ki ou ti pe dir Mr Chair.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Panel i oule fer remark la oubyen nou a kontiny- Onorab Pillay ou ankor lo menm pwen?

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Mr Chair mon bezwen zis en kou ou lendilzans pou mwan dir ek panel.

Konmsi zot reaksyon ler Onorab Cosgrow ek mwan menm nou’n komans raise sa pwen GOP, it’s been totally different to ler Onorab Georges in war where we were coming from.

The point – (Off- Mic) HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY … non it is, it is.
Zot, zot ti pe assume poudir we are trying to get at something - which is mon pa konnen untoward.

Nou bezwen fer zo - nou lentansyon lo la i bon.

Nou bi nou se si ou annan en Lalwa ki pe regulate home care, it has to regulate home - care period, because – Akoz demen – demen se ASP ki bezwen foot the Bill ler en dimoun i fail dan caring.

Ou war?

Dan sa konteks la - ler mon pe dir ASP set akoz welfare ki pou bezwen antre pou ede lo en kote e Lazans li i pou fer son bout lo en kote, ou konpran?
These things have to mesh together byen, that’s why ki mwan mon an faver pour ki nou 95 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 annan sa bann lamannman kot nou tir sa ‘’other family or arrangements’’ ki anybody ki pe vin Sesel, menm etranze ki pe vin provide care pou en dimoun i annan en registration point.

E i annan en landrwa kot nou kapab monitor ki kantite GOP nou pe donn dan sa sekter.

Akoz home care i kapab vin en field of carer en field of work pou serten dimoun.
Ki en training i ganny fer atraver NIHSS.

Apre dezyenmman dan definisyon anler - yes home care giver i zis somebody ki provide en care avek en dimoun, prezan ou ava annan beneficiary anba ou Lalwa, which means ki en dimoun ki benefisye avek sa ki Home Care Agency pe provide.

I think we should go with what has been proposed.

Me selman mon ti a zis demann panel kontan konmsi, pa tro pran sa ki nou pe dir avek en move lentansyon petet setou.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Panel?


Kot nou ete la i annan propozisyon pou amend sa clause, eski nou pe pran li?

MINISTER MARIE-CELINE ZIALOR Wi mon krwar Mr Chair.

Zis pou garanti Leader Lopozisyon nou pa pe pran sa ki i pe dir ek move lentansyon, i zis i bezwen fer son Kreol kler parfwa.

Setou.

Mersi Mr Chair.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Ok, so where are we avek clause 6?

Onorab Georges.
Onorab Georges.

HON BERNARD GEORGES Mr Chair nou en pti pe dan, nou en pti pe parey letan ozordi, en pti pe sonm, akoz ou war the problem is this; ou’n lev en bon pwen ou Mr Chair.

Me si … MR SPEAKER Eski mon kapab fer en pwen lo la Onorab Georges?

HON BERNARD GEORGES Eski definisyon home care i ganny modifye pou li konmsi ekskli the normal everyday family arrangement?
Parey i dir nou ‘’home care means flexible and personal daily care and support outside of the normal family environment or outside of normal family relations.

‘’ Prezan la prezan si nou met sa, la prezan tou nou home care i kapab ganny anrezistre e kouver.

Selman i permet en dimoun ki pe zis viv dan lakaz mon la mon'n ek mon papa toultan, mon’n soz, e mon pe kontinyen donn li son dite dan bomaten e kwi son manze.

So 96 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 mon pa konnen si sa i ava ede.
Sorry.

Yes Onorab Pillay?

CEO?

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Wi be selman Mr Speaker mon konpran ou mwan.

Me selman ou, ou pe mazin en konteks kot sa familial arrangement kot sa manm fanmir i pe pran en bon swen avek sa vye paran.

Be natir louvraz sa bann dimoun probableman zot in bezwen deza war kantite lentansyon i pe reste avek son fiy, son garson, son belfiy e tretman ki i pe gannyen within sa family arrangement petet i pa neseserman the best treatment.
So mon pa konnen si ou pe dir ki konmsi oule exclude familial arrangement konmsi e nou focus zis lo home care or nou pe dir nou, ki nou pe dir tou home care;- tou lenstans kot ou pe provide sa care i bezwen vin anba en formal setting.

Mon pa konnen mwan sa ki mon konpran ou pe dir se ki ou pe dir sort of met enn akote.

Mon konpran where you’re coming from, I understand that.

Me selman I’m not comfortable petet akoz nou pe fer en Lalwa for it.
Mon pa konnen si CEO i oule azout en keksoz mon war li pe … MR SPEAKER CEO BRENDA MORIN Zis ki mon oule dir konmsi mon krwar nou pe dir menm keksoz, nou oule regilariz tou sa servis nou pe koz menm langaz nou tou.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Onorab Georges.

HON BERNARD GEORGES Mersi Mr Chair.

Mr Chair annefe sa Lalwa in fini provide ou en pe bann keksoz ki nou pe regarde la.

ganny Par egzanp pou regard ou pwen ‘’familial arrangement’’ in fini defini.

Defini egzakteman parey ou anvi.


En laranzman kot care pou en dimoun en lobligasyon moral ok?

E ki i pa depan lo lasistans anba sa Act, so that takes care of that.

baze ki lo Sa ki nou’n bezwen take care of la se pa bann familial arrangement se bann ‘’or other’’ ok ki en Kontra direk an deor la fanmir avek en Seselwa oubyen avek en etranze.
E mon krwar pou nou fer sa everything i plizoumwen ok’ sof ki nou pou bezwen dan 6 selon mwan dan sa clause ki nou ti pou tire konpletman ‘’not being a person concerning which familial’’ nou devret tir selman 97 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 or other arrangement ok, and retain familial arrangement akoz li i tonm an deor.
Me ‘’or other’’ which is either a contract avek en third party an deor lafanmir lokal or en third party an deor en lafanmir, etranze li i ava ganny kouver par lanrezistreman ek Lazans.
Lazans, par E si mon propozisyon finds favour avek Lasanble sel keksoz ki nou pou bezwen fer se redefinir en pti pe beneficiary akoz i pou prezan en dimoun ki resevwar ‘’home care under this Act’’ me osi ‘’in an arrangement is not a which familial arrangement.’’ Pour ki home care giver i a kapab prezan pa neseserman ‘’to a beneficiary to a beneficiary or other person not receiving assistance under this Act’’ or something like that ok.

So sa ki mon oule oubliy net.


- MR SPEAKER Dan sa ka mannyer nou kapab prosede se premye ou deal avek ou amendment dan 6, nou aksepte oubyen zete.

Apre nou kapab fer sa amendment dan ‘’beneficiary ‘’si sa in pase.

Mon annan mon krwar Onorab Georges i devret propoz son amannman dan 6, annou ekout lopinyon panel lo la e apre nou a ekout lopinyon Manm lo la, e ou a konnen kote nou fini.

Onorab Georges.
Onorab Georges.

HON BERNARD GEORGES 6 i senp Mr Chair, mon pe tir dan dezyenm laliny sa 2 mo ‘’or other’’ so that it reads; “a home care giver not being a person concerning which a familial arrangement outside of this Act is made, shall not provide home care without being registered.” MR SPEAKER en Thank you.

Panel propozisyon devan nou ki mannyer zot war i ale?

la MINISTER MARIE-CELINE ZIALOR Mersi Mr Chair.

Mon krwar nou kapab aksepte sa propozisyon.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Ok. Manm?


Eski Manm i lev rezervasyon ki nou okenn vote?

Nou kapab bezwen aksepte?

Thank you.

Ok. Onorab Georges is accepted.

that Prezan nou kapab retourn lo modifikasyon ki nou bezwen, an relasyon avek sa?

Mon krwar ou'n dir nou bezwen en redifikasyon dan beneficiary?

HON BERNARD GEORGES 98 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 Wi.

Beneficiary pou le moman se selman en dimoun ki pe ganny lasistans anba the Act.
Or nou pe include li osi la, nou pe osi include en beneficiary - en dimoun ki pe fer son laranzman prive.

MR SPEAKER So ou a propoz en wording?

HON BERNARD GEORGES Definition of beneficiary clause 2, clause 2.

“Beneficiary means a person whose application for home care has been granted or who is receiving home care” Nou bezwen dir “who is receiving home care whether privately or under this Act but familial excluding the arrangement”.

Ok concept.
Ok concept.

through a that’s MR SPEAKER En pti pe … HON BERNARD GEORGES I lour?

MR SPEAKER En pti pe lour - wi.

Mon pa konnen ki panel i a mazinen.

Me eski ou vreman bezwen sa soz ‘’whether privately or under arrangement’’, ou'n dir ‘’has been receiving home care under this Act.’’ Sa dezyenm kategori la lezot arrangement i pe still get home care under the Act.

HON BERNARD GEORGES The problem i pa vin la Mr Chair, the problem i vin en pe pli tar lo definisyon home care e home care giver.
Akoz home care giver aprezan ‘’it’s only a person who provides home care to a beneficiary.’’ Alor ki nou, nou pa anvi ki zis to a beneficiary akoz a beneficiary se en dimoun ki pe ganny home care under the Act.

Nou anvi ki i kouver osi bann Kontra prive, me ki pa bann familial arrangements.

MR SPEAKER Yes.

Draftsperson.

Madanm Legal DRAFTSPERSON LEGAL AMELIE NOURRICE Thank you Mr Chair.
Ok. What if we read ‘’means a person whose application for home care have been granted or who is receiving home care outside of a familiar arrangement which has been defined?’’ MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Ok Onorab Georges.

Please repeat the wording so that everybody understands.

HON BERNARD GEORGES 99 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 It’s the definition of beneficiary.
“Beneficiary means a person whose application for home care has been granted or who is receiving home care outside of a familial arrangement”.

MR SPEAKER Thank you.

Panel ki zot mazinen avek sa wording?

Ok. CEO in dakor.

Manm any objections ek sa i fer kler?

Onorab Arissol.

HON SANDY ARISSOL Mr Chair mon anvi zis demann en pti klarifikasyon in regards to sa lamannman ki nou pe fer.
Sa mon retourn lo mon pwen, i vedir si mwan mon anvi demen bomaten koman Sandy Arissol travay avek mon papa, mon pa bezwen anrezistre avek zot health care, I mean pa health care, avek Lazans e zot pa kapab monitor mwan sa ki mon pe fer?

Zot kapab monitor mwan selman mon pa ganny drwa anrezistre - mon pa bezwen anrezistre.

Be si mon pa anrezistre be eski pa i kas tou keksoz?

MR SPEAKER Sorry annou al annord please.

Minis.

MINISTER MARIE-CELINE ZIALOR Mersi Mr Chair.

Mon krwar i annan en pti konfizyon.


Onorab Arrisol letan nou pe dir familial it means i pa travay.

I pa en travay - i pa konsidere fer en travay akoz ou i en pe okip ou paran - laranzman familyal i pa travay.

Dek ki koman ou pe travay kantmenm ou fanmir, ou pou annan en Kontra, la i pou tonm ladan.

E ou anrezistre ladan.


Akoz si mon pe zis ekip parey nou pe dir mon vye manman mon ekip li, mon pe okip li koman en zanfan mon pa pe anrezistre mon pa pe – I pa - Akoz sa ki nou pe dir lai outside of family arrangements sa ki ou a pe dir la i pa pou tonm family outside arrangements akoz ou'n arete pou ou travay, pou ou ganny larzan.

Wi.

MR SPEAKER Wi.

It’s getting very complicated.

Wi Onorab Pillay.


HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Si nou swiv largiman Onorab Arissol i annan 2 kote sa en - Enn si nou fer regilasyon vin pou restriktiv, dekouraz manm fanmir pou pran ka avek zot vye paran.

then nou Sa i posib, ok.

So mon krwar se sa ki nou bezwen avoid at all cost.
But at the same 100 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 time ki mannyer nou deal avek sa pwen ki ou'n raise vizavi ok mwan mon deside pran swen ek mon vye paran me selman dan plas ek li la, pe pran swen ek li mon Amusement, mon partou, e sa dimoun i dan lakaz e prezan lekel ki pou vini pou gete ki pe pase avek li?

That’s where we have an issue.

And I understand your point Minister.


Lo en kote oule fer ki i posib pou lafanmir - manm fanmir pran, but at the same time ou pa oule ki ler i pran then napa naryen ki pe arive pou oversee or regarde kwa ki pe pase ek sa dimoun.

MR SPEAKER Ok nou a les Minis adrese avan apre nou ava al kot Onorab Cosgrow.

MINISTER MARIE-CELINE ZIALOR Mersi Mr Chair.

Konpran konpletman sa ki ou pe dir.

Be selman mon pwen se ki eski nou pa pe over legislate tou?
Akoz i annan parey kot Departman Lafanmir i annan en Seksyon Elderly li.

Seksyon i elderly kot bann dimoun raport bann ka labi;- bann ka labi ki fanmir nenport ouswa kantmenm mon pa bezwen neseserman bezwen swen kot lakour, me selman mon pe ganny abize par Manm ou fanmir ki pe vol mon larzan sepa kwa la.

Nou bezwen met tousala ladan.

mon pe zis demande kekfwa petet si nou pa - sa provizyon i pa kapab ganny - petet, petet en lot landrwa ki kapab ganny fer.
Sa bann zafer fanmir pe abiz fanmir kot kanmarad, ouswa eski nou pou al met sa ladan Mr Chair?

Mon pe zis demann en kestyon.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Wi, nou bezwen senplifye keksoz.

Onorab Cosgrow ou ti pe kontinyen.?

HON WALLACE COSGROW Yes Mr Chair, vreman senp.

Mwan mon santi poudir si nou oule monitor, nou bezwen anrezistreman, annan otherwise ki mannyer ou pou konnen poudir mon egziste?

There has to be a registration process pou ou konnen poudir mon egziste pou ou kapab monitor mwan.
Mon dezyenm pwen Mr Chair, i lo sa zafer familial arrangements.

Now.

Nou, nou pe get li koman mwan mon vini mon donn mon manman en servis carer.
Be i kapab annan 5 nou, 6 nou siblings, nou kapab ozordi 101 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 elekte ki poudir mwan mon 5 siblings, mon 4 siblings in met larzan ansanm, mwan mon aret travay i pey mwan e i fer en Kontra formel avek mwan, mon antre dan en Kontra kot i don mwan mon bann benefis tou keksoz e i vin en Kontra, i vin en laranzman travay i pa zis, i en laranzman familyal - wi.
Me dan en laranzman familyal i kapab annan en laranzman lanplwa ki ganny fer e nou bezwen fer sir nou capture sa.

Mersi Mr Chair.

MR SPEAKER Onorab Georges.

HON BERNARD GEORGES Mersi Mr Chair.

Mr Chair mon krwar dezyenm pwen Onorab Cosgrow i fasil pou capture.

An deor sa Lalwa ou antre dan en Kontra, it’s a binding contract ant ou bann siblings avek ou, ki napa naryen pou fer avek home care.
I egzakteman parey ou kapab antre dan en Kontra pou ou al koup gazon ou papa tou le Mardi apre midi e ganny peye.

So I don’t think that’s an issue.

Me son premye - son premye i en pwen mon krwar ki nou devret adrese e sa se pwen does monitoring: … eski ou bezwen anrezistre monitor?

pou Premyerman mon pa krwar ki nou bezwen akoz mon pe al propoz en solisyon.

E dezyenmman mon krwar ki i enportan pou annan en monitoring menm ler napa lanrezistreman.
E sa ki mon pe propoze se anba definisyon ‘’beneficiary’’ akoz tou bann beneficiary, pardon, sorry, eskiz mwan.

Anba ‘’functions of the Agency kot i met monitor 4(f) “monitor home care provided by home care givers.” including Mon ti ava sizere nou “including under a azoute familial arrangement”.
So that means that you can monitor family everybody matters.’ Sel problenm se how do you know, well obviously ou pou ganny en rapor ki i annan en dimoun ki pe ganny maltrete or whatever and you’ll be able to do it that way.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Wi, mon krwar si ou fer li koumsa, si dan sa monitoring montre, poudir i annan en labi oubyen en keksoz, obviously there are the laws kot ou kapab raporte, take action.

Panel, eski zot krwar sa i meet zot criteria?


MINISTER MARIE-CELINE ZIALOR Wi Mr Chair i meet.

Parey selman mon pou repete Mr 102 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 kot i osi Chair, i annan en Seksyon Departman Elderly Lafanmir, ki fer son monitoring.

Li osi deal avek sa bann ka, kot fanmir, nenport kwa ki i redwir labi nou bann elderly an zeneral.

Mersi Mr Chair.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.


Annou gete si nou kapab dakor avek sa amendment to clause 4(f), is that right, Onorab Georges, what is the wording please?

HON BERNARD GEORGES The wording Mr Chair, ‘’se after the word ‘givers’ and before the semi column to insert including “under a familial arrangement”.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Mon krwar sa i meet en pe bann kestyon ki Manm in leve.

HON BERNARD GEORGES ‘’Comma familial arrangement.’’ Mersi.

including under a MR SPEAKER Panel kapab aksepte sa?

thank you.
thank you.

i dakor?

Manm nou Mersi, Lo kote Onorab Loze, ou ti’n lev lanmen avan, eski i en diferan pwen?

Mon krwar nou’n settle sa enn.

HON JOHAN LOZE Mr Speaker it’s been exhausted.

Pwen ki mon ti pe al leve in ganny taken cared of by Onorab Georges.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Thank you.

Onorab Naidu move on please.

HON SATHYA NAIDU Lo clause 6, sub 4(b) it should read as follows, “Reject the application where the Agency is not satisfied that the applicant meets the requirements of this Act”.
So prior to applicant ‘’does not’’ is removed and meets with an “s”.

Part 8.

“A person aggrieved by decision of the Agency made under section 5 may appeal against is being inserted,’’ such decision to the Appeals Board”.

On page 10 clause 9(b) it should read as follows.

“Enable the beneficiary to lead the best life possible and to remain fit and active”.

So “for a longer period” is removed.

MR SPEAKER Onorab Cosgrow?

HON WALLACE COSGROW Mersi Mr Chair.


Mr Chair mon napa en problenm avek sa lamannman ki’n ganny fer.

Me 103 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 ler mon’n mon annan en konsern.

Mon krwar fer mon lentervansyon boner, mon ti lo sa annan en konsern ‘’responsibilities of home care givers’’ being in the body of the main Act.

Mon ti pe mazinen ki i annan posibilite ki sa bann responsabilite i sanze e ki ou tir li la, nou met li dan en preskripsyon.
i ogmante, e met Konmsi Minis i kapab fer sa bann en S.I responsabilite ladan.

Mon pa konnen ki lezot Manm i panse.

Akoz mon pa krwar ki si demen nou anvi nou bezwen amann sa nou bezwen anmenn Lalwa fer en devan Lasanble e prosedir.

Ou konpran?

Mersi Mr.

Chair.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Sa ki ou pe dir i sanz avek kontenir signifikans.

Me mon a les panel adrese.

Lalwa ase DRAFTSPERSON LEGAL AMELIE NOURRICE Thank you Mr Chair.
So sa section 9 li is just a general provision to give a general idea of what the responsibility of a home care giver is.

So si ou get anba dan sub section 2 just below, then we say ‘’we are going standards issue basically to give effect to the to general provisions under section 9.

‘’ Thank you Mr Chair.

MR SPEAKER Thank you.

Fotespere Onorab Cosgrow i kapab aksepte sa.

Onorab Aglae.

DRAFTSPERSON LEGAL AMELIE NOURRICE Yes.

And yes, this would be promulgated by regulations.

Thank you Mr Chair.
Thank you Mr Chair.

MR SPEAKER Thank you Madam.

Onorab Aglae ou ti pe lev en pwen ou?

HON EGBERT AGLAE Wi Mr Speaker mon ti’n lev lanmen depi taler.

Mon ti oule klarifikasyon avek panel devan.

form, WHODAS Anliny ki zot pe sanz format pou servi sa WHODAS, mwan mon oule konpran akoz.

Avan (relax ou) akoz i enportan, i en zouti enportan sa, zot pe sanz formil.

Barthel was a i simplified annan 3 versyon e i annan pei ki li i adopte en hybrid version.
prezan Eski konversasyon, avek Health Care Agency in ganny fer, akoz sirtou at clinical level, sirtou avek WHO i en pti pe pli in-depth.

sirtou Eski bann Health Care Professional laba, zot in pare 104 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 pou zot kapab antreprann sa, dan sa WHODAS li menm?

Akoz i en pti pe pli konpleks ki en form Barthel li.

Sa ki mwan mon anvi konnen.

MR SPEAKER PS?

PS LINDA WILLIAM-MELANIE Mersi Mr Chair.

Mersi Onorab.
Mersi Onorab.

Wi Onorab, Health Care Agency, aktyelman in annan en kantite konsiltasyon avek bann Konsiltan WHO.

E la aktyelman i annan en survey ki pe fini ganny konplete, zisteman an servan pe teste sa tool WHODAS 2.0 ki lo pou parey mon’n dir komansman, teste fonksyonnalite sa dimoun.

pe i fer E alor once ki sa survey i fini ganny i annan la, anviron 300 dimoun pe ganny teste avek sa tool.
E WHO in fini donn son laprouvasyon, e Minister Lasante in fini donn son garanti, son laprouvasyon, ki sa pou ranplas Barthel index.

Mersi Mr Chair.

MR SPEAKER Wi Onorab?

HON EGBERT AGLAE PS mon konpran ou mwan.

Prezan eski ou pe dir mwan ki apre sa, akoz souvandfwa nou lenstriman pri avek bann enternasyonal.

Eski nou, nou pou bezwen rate enn ki suit nou needs?

Akoz pa tou keksoz ladan, ler mon pe gete ki relevans avek nou.
Se sa ki i annan serten pei li i adopte in between sa 3 versyon ki i annan en hybrid Sa ki mon anvi version.

konnen.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

PS ou kapab adrese nou a terminen avek sa pwen.

PS LINDA WILLIAM-MELANIE Yes Mr Chair.

Se sa rezon pe fer sa pilot, pe teste.

E once ki in fini teste HCA pou ganny donnen kwa kisisa egzakteman pou bezwen servi.

E se sa rezon ki ansanm ek sa, sa needs assessment i vini enn fwa ki sa tool in fini ganny aprouve pou ganny servi Sesel.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.


Byen.

Onorab Naidu ou a kontinyen zis next point.

HON SATHYA NAIDU Lo clause 10 sub (3) part (a) should read … MR SPEAKER Sorry.

Eskiz mwan mon bezwen aret ou.

Onorab Bistoquet in lev 105 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 lanmen ou ti lo en bann pwen ki nou'n leve?

HON ROSIE BISTOQUET Mersi Mr Speaker.

Bonn apre midi.

Lontan mon’n lev mon lanmen Mr Speaker depi ler ti pe diskit lo Barthel kekfwa ou pa'n war mwan.
Mwan mon dan sa clause (5) la, non i pa (5) i 6(5).

Mon ti oule demann en kestyon lo la ‘’certificate of registration shall be valid for a period of 3 years.

‘’ Apre subject to section 7 “may upon application to the Agency be renewed”.

Mon ti oule konnen akoz 3an, ki zistifikasyon pou 3an?

Apre nouvo eski annan ganny konpetans ki pou devlope pou sa dimoun antre anba la pou li kapab fer son servis?

Mersi.

pou MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Panel lekel ki kapab adrese?

PS.

PS LINDA WILLIAM-MELANIE Mersi Mr Chair.


Parey nou'n dir Minis in dir bomaten i pou premye Lalwa pou entrodwir sa I pou annan son Lazans.

standard of care, level of care ki pou anba ganny devlope regilasyon.

Enn fwa sa in ganny fer o firamezir kot i bezwen improve lo la i ava improve.
Me pou donn 3an pou donn en lespas letan, ki enn fwa ki en dimoun in anrezistre ki si i annan training ankor professional development ki i bezwen fer zisteman pou upgrade li, i ava annan letan avan ler pou li re anrezistre.

Mersi Mr Chair.

parey MR SPEAKER Wi Onorab.

HON ROSIE BISTOQUET Sorry en, anba menm seksyon si par egzanp zot pe ganny en live-in carer ki en expat, eski i bezwen son GOP i tourn kot li apre pou li re apply ankor ouswa akoz i pou 3an, ki pozisyon i ete la?

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.


PS ou annan en repons pou sa?

PS LINDA WILLIAM-MELANIE Mersi Mr Chair.

Bann keksoz GOP vreman pa nou, pa Lazans annefe ki sipoze pe deal avek GOP li, se Departman Lanplwa.
Me i ava annan bann kondisyon mon mazinen ki letan Departman Lazans pou'n komanse i bann keksoz administrativ ki Lazans i ava diskit avek Departman Lanplwa kot i konsern servis carer be pou lemoman la le nou Lanplwa 106 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 bann diskisyon ki nou'n fer nou pa'n antre dan zafer GOP.

Mersi Mr Chair.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.


Onorab mon sipoze ou kapab satisfe avek sa, akoz si en GOP i pou 2an obviously the renewal of the GOP will come first and then apre 3an the renewal of the certificate.

So mon kapab kontinyen avek sa.

krwar nou Onorab Naidu nou ti'n ariv lo seksyon 10 mon krwar.

HON SATHYA NAIDU Wi, lo paz 10.

Clause 10 part 3.

“The upon Agency may evaluation of the application (a) grant (b) “impose” so nou pe tir “attach conditions prior to granting the application”.
the application.”, MR SPEAKER Thank you.

Next.

HON SATHYA NAIDU On page 11.

Mr Speaker anba Order 72 mon pe bouz en lamannman e nou bezwen waive sa 72hours period, so I require your guidance.

MR SPEAKER Mon krwar sa 72hours notice avek letan ki nou'n gannyen pou travay lo sa Bill, mon krwar nou bezwen konsider bann amannman.

Selman mon a zis dir nou pa pou kapab fer en long deba endefini lo soz, si i annan en amannman dek ki ou'n eksplik li nou a kapab annan en sanzman lide e apre vote.
Yes go the amendment ahead with Onorab.

Sorry yes Onorab Pillay wi?

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Mr Speaker I’m a stricter for procedure.

Nou bezwen ganny en suspension of 72hours.

The Bill is not an Emergency Bill as defined by the Constitution.

The Bill in vin kot nou an retar wi, napa problenm ek sa.

There is no issue pou move an amendment but we must get a suspension of the Standing Order.
So Onorab i a move for a the Standing suspension of i a ganny segonde, Order Lasanble i ava vot lo la then he would present his amendment.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Thank you.

Non, non.

Annou, sorry annou pa antre dan definisyon emergency, annou zis take the fastest way which is to move the amendment, get it accepted or not if that is the case and then we can move.

Onorab Naidu.

107 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 HON SATHYA NAIDU Mersi Mr Speaker.
So I require your guidance, so I read the amendment and then move or move the amendment and then we’ll take a vote?

MR SPEAKER Onorab Georges, i a eksplik ou.

You move first, yes Onorab Georges.

HON BERNARD GEORGES Yes Mr Speaker.

Let me make the Motion Mr Speaker.

Selman avan ki mon make the motion this is an Emergency Bill, that’s it’s being passed.

So why quickly.

But let’s not go into that.


Anba Order 97(1) mon move pou ganny ou permisyon Mr Speaker to suspend Order 72(1) the person presenting the amendment to move an amendment, malgre ki 72hours pa'n ganny donnen pou son amendment.

Mersi.

E pandan ki mon la, mon ava move osi pou okenn lezot amannman ki i anvi anmennen dan sa konteks pou osi sispann Standing Orders.

Mersi.

Reste trankil.

to allow MR SPEAKER Dan en sel Mosyon.

Mosyon a ganny silvouple.

Onorab Woodcock.


segonde HON WAVEL WOODCOCK Motion seconded Mr Speaker?

MR SPEAKER Manm a vot lo la silvouple.

faver?

Mersi.

Manm ki an Manm ki kont?

Mersi.

Lo Mosyon pou waive 72 hours en requirement amendment.

16 Manm in vot pour, 0 kont, 9 abstansyon.

Mosyon in aprouve.

pou Onorab Naidu prezant ou Mosyon, ou amendment.


HON SATHYA NAIDU The amendment being proposed anba clause 11, insertion of subsection 3 initially should read “nothing in the section prevents a home care giver from providing home care to more than one beneficiary”.
Nou anvizaze elarzi sa provizyon e se sa ki pe al ganny propoze; “Notwithstanding any provisions of this Act, a home care giver may provide home care services to more than one beneficiary or person provided that the services are provided under a contract of private agreement which the Home Care Agency shall have previously approved”.

Is the panel ok with that proposition?

108 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 MR SPEAKER Wi.

Onorab Pillay.

HON SATHYA NAIDU Yes Mr Chair.


HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Ou war Mr Chairman that’s i why mon'n dir prosedir enportan.

Mwan dan mon versyon i annan “nothing in this section prevents home care giver from providing home care to more than one beneficiary”.

Now the amendment has the is changed, where amendment that has been changed, why has it not been circulated?

Ou vwar nou bezwen fer keksoz onnetman.


MR SPEAKER Ok annou les Onorab Naidu … HON SATHYA NAIDU Wi, zisteman Mr Chair, lamannman pe ganny propoze e mon pe swiv.

Si fodre anmenn en Mosyon anba Order 47 baze lo lamannman ki'n ganny bouze - si fodre nou anmenn en lot lamannman pou bouz en lamannman.

Mon krwar pa i pou annan en problenm, we can follow procedure which is required.

MR SPEAKER Mwan.

Mon war li koman en Mosyon an to amendment.

Is that correct?

amend MR SPEAKER Ok so yes Onorab Pillay?


HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Non, mwan ki mon zis dir ek ou, mwan mon napa problenm move amendments, because ou annan ou 8mil dimoun ki ganny afekte par provizyon sa Lalwa.

these So nou pa kapab initilman retard li, but at the same time mon oule ki i al lo rikord prosedir Lasanble ki sa bann prosedir pe ganny servi ozordi.

Pour ki demen mon kote latab ki dan minorite si i fer li, mon pa ganny problenm.
Prezan mwan ki mon pe dir Onorab mon annan en versyon en track version devan mwan, dan mon track version sa ki ou pe dir lir napa.

Yes but that’s the point, an amendment to an amendment nou bezwen ganny notice of it!

Non ou pa kapab:- MR SPEAKER Onorab hold on a second.

Nou ti pe.

Hold on please.

Mon ti pe rod sa seksyon dan Standing Orders ki koz lo amendment to an amendment.

Me selman 109 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 petet lezot Manm ki pli familye.

Onorab Georges wi?
Onorab Georges wi?

HON BERNARD GEORGES Yes Mr Chair.

In fact Mr Chair sa ki'n arive la se ki i annan en amannman ki'n ganny table e ki nou tou nou annan dan nou track version.

E sa i normal, ou'n donn permisyon, anfen nou'n vote pour ki sa amannman i kapab ganny anmenn, malgre ki 72erdtan pa'n ganny donnen.

La prezan sa ki sa Manm ki pe move sa amannman i anvi fer, i anvi amend the amendment, e pou li kapab fer sa i bezwen al anba Standing Order 73(3).
Amendments to amendments ki dir “Orders 45, 46 and 47 shall apply to debate on amendment to Bills with the substitution of the word clause for the word motion” eksetera.

So ler nou retourn lo 47 nou war amendments to i dir ki “an amendment e amendment to an amendment may be moved at any time after the question, upon the original amendment has been proposed” which you have and before it has been put which you haven’t done yet, akoz nou pa ankor vot lo la.
So therefore Onorab Naidu i parfetman within his rights anba Order 73(3) as read with li move en Order 47 pou amendment to an amendment.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Onorab Pillay mon krwar sa prosedir i kler, wi.?

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Non, Mr Speaker nou tou nou konnen sa prosedir pa kler, what is being done is an abuse of the Standing Order.

as in Premyerman Onorab move son lamannman as the the Bills representative of Committee.
a Now representative of the Bills Committee i reprezant tou lede kote latab lo Bills Committee, which means i sipoze pe reprezant lamannman tou lede kote latab lo Bills Committee.

That’s the report of the Bills Committee ki i pe lir.

So ki mannyer i kapab pe move en lot lamannman lo en lot lamannman?

i eksplik the Dezyenmman i pa ankor son ni menm lamannman, question hasn’t not been put - nou pa ankor son lamannman and then suddenly i pe move en lot lamannman.

Eksplik nou akoz ou bezwen?


least annan respe pou At Lasanble, kot nou eksplik Lasanble akoz zot pe move en konnen 110 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 lamannman lo lamannman ki ou pe fer.

E trwazyenmman eski lo koumsa ki nou prosede dernyen zour travay?

Come on.
Come on.

Nou bezwen konpran - konmsi, nou, nou bezwen ganny respe pou nou konnen akoz ou pe move, ou'n dir nou “nothing in this section prevents home care giver from providing home care to more than one beneficiary”, sa lamannman in sanze.

So ou eksplik ou lamannman in sanze.

akoz nou Even the first amendment pa'n eksplike.

Ou konpran?

So come on aret abiz prosedir Lasanble.

ganny MR SPEAKER Non, non.

Anyway mwan mon pa santi poudir Onorab Naidu pe abiz prosedir, akoz mon krwar in swiv.
E si mon kapab, Onorab Naidu petet in ariv en i ti pe pri konfizyon akoz in prezant rapor, me apre prezant en amannman dan son non.

E mon pa'n tann li dir poudir sa i en Amendment Bills Committee.

So Onorab Naidu oule adres ou amannman ki ou'n propoze?

tonm lo en lagreman se mwan ki pe bouz sa lamannman finalman.

the scope E pli boner mon ti'n site poudir is being extended e i aparet Onorab Pillay pa'n ekout byen sa ki mon dir.
So an relasyon avek clause 3 sub (3) “nothing in this section prevents a home care giver from providing home care to more than one beneficiary”.

You want to extend the scope to cater for private agreements as well.

So i swivan; pou ‘’notwithstanding’’ dan plas ki devan nou la.
comme lir “Notwithstanding any provisions of this Act, a home care giver may provide home care services to more than one beneficiary a person provided that the services are provided under a contract or private agreement which the Home Care Agency shall have previously approved”.

MR SPEAKER Thank you.

Mon krwar son amannman i kler mon pa konnen si lopinyon, yes we can have a point of view on the amendment.

HON SATHYA NAIDU Wi Mr Chair.


Malgre ki wi se Bills Committee ki'n diskite, in HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Mr Chairman but this is not clear.

I don’t think this is even in 111 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 the panel line with what intended.

Akoz ler mon'n ekout Minis that wasn’t the intent.

So what is going on exactly?

i kapab Petet panel klarifye whether this was discussed avek zot avan.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Ok. Ou pe al lo merit of the amendment, nou kapab al lo panel pou regarde?
PS Melanie.

to PS LINDA WILLIAM-MELANIE Mersi Mr Chair.

Mr Chair si nou pou go according the amendment ki ti ganny fer avek Bills Committee yer, sirtou si kot i konsern bann contract ki pe ganny the beneficiary avek sa home care giver ki tonm anba Agency.

fer between at Sa ki deza la ki'n ganny met dan (3) i kler.
Akoz agency li menm i pa sipoze pe antre dan private contract avek bann dimoun an deor par egzanp bann dimoun ki al fer zot laranzman an deor rod zot carer parey taler nou ti pe dir, sa i zot laranzman.

Sa ki Agency i konsernen avek ki sa home care giver i anrezistre.

i pa pou antre dan laranzman Kontra sa dimoun an deor, ki al rod son private carer.

I pou ede facilitate, draw up sa Kontra avek sa care giver avek sa aplikan ki benefisye anba Lazans, pou li ganny lasistans avek Gouvernman.
Sa ki mon ti anvi fer li kler.

peyman travay avek en Me selman atraver Lazans si i annan en home care giver, i lot kapab beneficiary ganny ki lasistans atraver the Agency.

Parey in ganny mete la dan sa enn clause me i pa pou bann Kontra prive.

pe So otomatikman si Lazans ki pou donn li en lot beneficiary pou travay avek, Lazans pou fasilit sa Kontra between li avek sa lot pou permet li travay avek sa lot beneficiary.

Mersi Mr Chair.

HON SATHYA NAIDU Mersi Mr Chair.


Mersi pou ou klarifikasyon ki PS William in donn nou e so nou ava al avek sa lamannman inisyal ki ti'n ganny propoze dan plas sa lot.

An relasyon avek clause 12, lot propozisyon se- MR SPEAKER Nou annan en lamannman la.

Ou'n retir, si mon konpran byen ou'n retir ou amannman prezan ou?

So we have to go back to the original amendment?

HON SATHYA NAIDU Back to the original amendment.


112 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 MR SPEAKER E nou bezwen desid lo la.

Mon krwar si mon kapab propoze ki si i annan en Manm ki annan en point of view sa amendment, nou kapab ekoute e apre nou kapab vot lo la.

Onorab Pillay wi, ou lo la ou?

lo i fer en motion HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Non, Mr Speaker.

Mon ti pe zis propoze ki anliny avek Standing Order to withdraw his amendment to the e amendment the amendment as it was originally.
So akoz in fini pas son Mosyon to his in fini pas son second motion in fini amann sa la.

So i pe withdraw son amendment.

keep So ki i fer i move en motion to withdraw his amendment to the amendment and then nou vot lo lamannman ki'n ganny propoze ladan or we vote to the Bill as amended as was agreed avek sa lamannman ki deza ladan.

Selman we need a motion for withdrawal akoz nou lamannman ki en annan standing la.

MR SPEAKER Wi.
MR SPEAKER Wi.

Annefe Onorab Pillay i annan rezon akoz i dir ou Order 48 a notice of motion or amendment may be withdrawn at any time before it is moved.

Me (2) i dir ‘’after the question or on motion, amendment has been proposed the motion or amendment shall been deemed to have put to the possession of the Assembly and may only be withdrawn with the leave of the Assembly.

‘’ So nou pa ti ankor segonde.


Ok sorry, nou pa ti ankor segonde oubyen vote alor Onorab Pillay the notice of amendment is being withdrawn before it is moved.

Thank you.

So Onorab Naidu i kapab kontinyen avek sa amannman ki la.

HON SATHYA NAIDU So nou pou al avek clause 11.

MR SPEAKER Wi.

You are still on the amendment Onorab Naidu.

Yes Onorab Henrie?

HON GERVAIS HENRIE Wi Mr Chair, mersi.

Bonn apre midi tou dimoun.


Mon annan zis en klarifikasyon byen lo sa original 11(3) ki the original amendment.

Akoz beneficiary mon pe konpran dimoun ki anba sa Act ler i dir “nothing in this section prevents a home care giver fron providing home care to more than one beneficiary”.

I kapab travay ek 2 dimoun.


113 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 Be prezan son financial assistance, because the concept of ou pa kapab ganny plis ki - well apel li sa ler apel li saler apel li whatever, dan konmsi plis ki enn who will pay for the additional beneficiary?

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER PS wi?

PS LINDA WILLIAM-MELANIE lot Mersi Mr Chair.

Sa i beneficiary bezwen enn ki'n kalifye avek Lazans pou li ganny lasistans carer.
the additional So avek i kapab annan sa dimoun ki pe travay dizon en legzanp 5erdtan en premye beneficiary, en dezyenm ki kalifye petet pou 3erdtan lasistans avek Lazans, sa enn premye i kapab travay avek sa enn dezyenm.

The financial assistance i pou sa beneficiary ki kalifye sa means test.

So Lazans i ava pey sa care travay avek sa giver pou dezyenm beneficiary dapre Kontra, dapre son bezwen ki a ganny drawn up.
So i pou from Lazans, akoz in sa dezyenm beneficiary kalifye pou li ganny lasistans finansyel avek Lazans, apre ki in kalifye pou li ganny en carer atraver son needs assessment.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Thank you.

Wi Onorab Henrie?

HON GERVAIS HENRIE Zis en pti pwen vitman;- savedir dizon en care giver (a) i travay half day avek en dimoun 7er bomaten ziska 11er.

Sa care giver (a) i al travay avek en lot dimoun apre midi 3er ziska 6er.
Apre sa menm care giver (a) i kapab aswar travay avek en trwazyenm beneficiary ki kapab sorti avek - I don’t know par lao R10mil as long ki i pe travay e pe fer tou bann keksoz selon Lalwa i demande?

Ok, mersi.

MR SPEAKER Panel mon krwar in nod.

So Onorab Georges … HON BERNARD GEORGES Mersi Mr Chair.
En lot legzanp mon mazinen se si i annan 2 vye ser par egzanp ki pe reste ansanm enn;- tou lede i kalifye enn i mobile, me i still bezwen en home carer, lot i capacitated e i bezwen en swen diferan, the same care giver i kapab donn mwayen an 2 peyman avek sa 2 dimoun.

But the reason mon'n demann ou laparol Mr Chair.


Given that - given that eski nou devret limit clause (3) to nothing in this that was not 114 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 section, prevents a home care giver or nothing in this Act because there may be other places in the Act.

Alor mon ti ava sizer en amendment to the amendment to read “nothing in this Act prevents a home care giver from” premyerman.

E dezyenmman mon ti ava propoz en simple amendment mon pe regard 11(1).
“The Agency shall allocate home care givers to a beneficiary”, I think it’s probably better to say “shall allocate a home care giver to a beneficiary”.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Be annou pran amendment (3) avan i fini ek li apre nou kapab al lo 11(1).

Dakor?

PS wi, in lev lanmen.

PS LINDA WILLIAM-MELANIE Mersi Mr Chair.

Mon anvi zis ganny klarifikasyon avek lo sa ki Onorab Georges in dir, nou konnen nou pe koz bokou lo konsernan sa enn Act ki The Home Care Agency pou pe manage.
Si mon pe konpran byen letan ou pe dir outside this Act, eski ou pe anpes en dimoun ki annan en Kontra avek en tonm anba beneficiary ki Lazans al travay dan prive?

Eski sa?

Petet mon'n mal konpran ou.

Sey eksplik nou.

Mersi.

Klarifye please.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Mwan mon anvi zis ki nou pa limit sa provizyon ki en dimoun i kapab azir pou 2 beneficiaries or more senpleman to section 11.

Mon anvi ki i range across the whole Act.


Akoz i posib ki dan en lot landrwa dan Act mon pa konnen nou napa letan pou vwar, ki i annan en restriksyon.

So mon oule ouver li pou fer li kler ki even if there is something else which contravenes this or contradicts this, en dimoun i kapab donn care two or more beneficiaries.

So nothing in this Act prevents a home care giver as nothing in this section.

Mersi.
Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Ok. Ou pe fer en amannman lo en amannman, so nou bezwen pran tou lede separe oubyen nou kapab pran sa koman en senp amannman?

HON BERNARD GEORGES En senp amannman si panel i dakor dapre nou prosedir.

MR SPEAKER Ok. Panel Onorab Georges pe propoze sanz “nothing in this 115 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 section” to “nothing in this Act”, correct?

PS LINDA WILLIAM-MELANIE Wi Mr Chair.

Agreed.

Ok.

So can we prezan panel osi in dakor.


Sa amendment la in enn ki Bills Committee in dakor avek panel?

So nou ava kapab aksepte li si raise objection.

manm pa Onorab Cosgrow.

en objection HON WALLACE COSGROW Ya Mr Chair.

Mr Chair mon napa sa amannman - mon annan an konsern mon oule leve lo sa seksyon la.

Ler nou pe get 11(2) i pe koz, lo “in allocating a home care giver the to a beneficiary, Agency shall have regard to the extent of the beneficiary’s needs”.
Now nou pe koz lo needs of the beneficiary, me napa landrwa ki koz lo- Mon anvi antre lo la letan nou antre lo Kontra en?

Me solman mon krwar ler nou'n tann Onorab Henrie koz lo sa zafer i kapab travay ek enn, ek 2 apre aswar al ek en trwazyenm.

konmsi pou mwan mon komans konsernen.

Kote ki kondisyon lanplwa i antre la anndan?

Sirtou par egzanp working hours en dimoun, overtime?
Mon konpran nou dir si en dimoun i anvi al travay i al travay, me solman i still bezwen kapab ganny proteze, i still bezwen kapab protez son lekor osi kont over work.

So mon pa pe war kote sa i antre ladan.

E mon pou antre en pti pe ler ou pou antre dan Kontra akoz mon konsernen ek sa seksyon Kontra en.

Mersi Mr Chair.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

PS ou dan en pozisyon pou klarifye son konsern?

PS LINDA WILLIAM-MELANIE Mersi Mr Chair.


Mr Chair nou letan oule asir Onorab ki Lazans pou vin an plas, i pou met tou sa bann keksoz administrativ pou asire ki en care giver i pa over work.

E bann keksoz ki annan pou fer avek Lalwa Lanplwa i ganny respekte dapre kad Kontra ki ganny fer.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

ok, nou'n aksepte section (3) mannyer in ganny propoze.

Nou a kapab kontinyen.

Onorab Naidu, next point?

HON SATHYA NAIDU Lot clause se clause 12.

MR SPEAKER Yes Onorab Georges.


116 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 HON BERNARD GEORGES Mon ti'n amann 11(1).

fer e propozisyon MR SPEAKER Ah wi.

HON BERNARD GEORGES “Shall allocate a home care giver to a beneficiary” akoz dan 11(2) nou koz “to a home care giver to a beneficiary”.

Mon pe zis align enn avek lot.

MR SPEAKER Yes, thank you.

Mon krwar sa i straight forward.

Panel?

Minis in nod, so nou kapab aksepte sa.

Lo kote panel, Manm yes napa okenn obzeksyon.


Ok. Onorab Georges ou'n fini ek sa?

Onorab Naidu.

HON SATHYA NAIDU Ok, Mr Chair.


On to clause 12 en lot lamannman ki pe ganny propoze se sub (4) insertion: - “Where a beneficiary is subjected medical to examination after the conclusion of a contract under subsection (1) and the medical or health a professional change the beneficiaries in condition, the contract may be amended to reflect the new needs assessment report issued determines that medical or health by professional”.
MR SPEAKER Zis avan nou al pli lwen zis en pti kestyon, a change in a beneficiary’s condition does it mean beneficiary “ry’s”?

HON SATHYA NAIDU Yes, that’s right.

MR SPEAKER Ok so that’s, in korize ok. Well, nou pe konsider sa clause, sa panel premye wi?

Panel ti en keksoz ki ti'n dakor avek lo la non?

PS LINDA WILLIAM-MELANIE Mr Chair, may I?

MR SPEAKER Yes PS.
MR SPEAKER Yes PS.

PS LINDA WILLIAM-MELANIE Mon pa konnen letan mon tann Onorab Naidu pe lir, in dir “may”, me dan amannman la pe dir “shall be amended” byensir si i devret reste “shall” not “may” en.

selman MR SPEAKER Wi annou stick avek sa manman ki lo papye la, “shall” Onorab Naidu.

Yes Onorab Georges.

117 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 HON BERNARD GEORGES Mersi Mr Chair.
Mon krwar mon'n tann Onorab Naidu fer enn de pti sanzman Dan beneficiaries condition in dir “the contract may be amended based on” epi in, i annan en lot sanzman la mon krwar ki in lir, mon krwar i pe propoz en amendment to an amendment ankor.

Can we hear that?

Akoz mwan ki'n ed li avek sa re formilasyon Mr Chair.

MR SPEAKER lot Eski ou ti pe amannman, oubyen ou'n zis mank mannyer ou'n lir Onorab Naidu?
fer en HON SATHYA NAIDU Mr Speaker mon ti pe lir baze lo lasistans ki mon'n resevwar avek LGB e mon ti'n panse i pa ti pou en poudir ki lamannman ase sibstansyel, pou nou pas lo en lamannman lo en lamannman.

Me si fodre nou fer sa nou a fer li.

MR SPEAKER So i pa pe propoz en nouvo amannman.

So in other words the wording there is what we aware considering?

Yes Onorab Georges.?

HON BERNARD GEORGES Wi si Onorab Naidu i donn mwan son words sa ki in lir, akoz i pa'n lir parey i devan nou.
Onorab Naidu i pa'n move this amendment apre move an amendment to an amendment in al direk dan son amendment.

So we can’t follow.

Si i dir nou in dir the beneficiary’s e mon ti'n ed li avek “y’s” condition the contract in dir “may” apre i annan en lot sanzman.

Can we have that change please?

HON SATHYA NAIDU Ok. Be amended to reflect.

MR SPEAKER So i annord avek sa ki- Onorab Pillay?

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Be mwan mon annan en problenm la mwan.
Mwan mon pe swiv sa ki devan mwan which is the report of the Bills Committee.

Konmsi nou pa kapab kontinyen zis fer sa and then zis aksepte ou pe fer sa, ou kapab demen sanz en keksoz pli sibstansyel e mon pou bezwen aksepte.

Mon pa dakor ek sa!

So si i konnen poudir i annan lamannman ki ganny rewrite then nou propoze, lamannman.
118 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 Nou pa kapab vini nou annan en keksoz ki'n ganny agree be pa vo lapenn mon anvoy mon bann Manm lo Bills Committee, mon aret anvoy zot as of next year.

Si mon pou fer en lamannman pou tonm dakor ek panel and then pou vini pou vin sanze.

change Now dan sa konteks ki la i pa sibstansyel mon dakor, but if you something substantial mon pou zis bezwen aksepte?

And in fact even you it.


should not be accepting en in Lasanble prepozisyon lamannman - si i annan sanzman dan sa wording panel i ava diskite parey, nou’n dir panel diskite?

ganny Annou gete ki pou arive so nou move lamannman e i ava sanze nou ava ganny diskisyon otherwise get sa ki nou pe fer la.

Konmsi annou respe tou Manm dan Lasanble.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Eski mon'n konpran byen, nou pe reste avek amendment ki'n ganny propoze par Bills Committee?

Onorab Georges.
Onorab Georges.

HON BERNARD GEORGES ava move Onorab Naidu lamannman ki'n tonm dakor avek Bills Committee.

Enn fwa ki in fer sa mwan mon ava demann permisyon to move amendment to the amendment Mr Chair.

Me nou pa ankor ariv la.

MR SPEAKER So premye lamannman ki'n fer par Bills Committee.

the wording that we have before us faithful to the amendment?

Is HON SATHYA NAIDU lir Mr Speaker mon ava lamannman ki'n ganny propoze par Bills Committee.
E it should read as follows; “Where a beneficiary is subjected medical to examination after the conclusion of a contract under subsection (1) and the medical or health a professional change the beneficiary’s in condition, the contract shall be amended, based on the new needs assessment report issued by the medical or health professional.

determines MR SPEAKER Ok.

So that’s the amendment before us.

Ok prezan sa amannman i la pou Manm konsidere.

Onorab George si anvi propoz en amannman lo la.


HON BERNARD GEORGES Mersi Mr Chair.

Anba Order 73(3) read with Order 47 mon 119 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 anvi move en amendment to, 3 amendments to the amendment.

Premye amendment se pou koriz dan trwazyenm laliny beneficiaries to read beneficiary “y’s” instead of “ies”.

The contract dezyenm amannman ki mon pe propoze se olye “shall” pou li vin “may”.

E mon ava eksplike akoz.


E trwazyenm amannman se olye “based on the new needs ti anvi assessment” mon propoze “to reflect” so that it reads, “on the beneficiary’s condition the contract may be amended to reflect the new needs report” assessment etcetera.

E mon konnen ki i annan en kontansyon lo “shall” and “may”.

Mon ava eksplike akoz mon'n propoz “may”.

lo koreksyon MR SPEAKER Sorry Onorab Georges eski nou lezot?
Sa kapab deal avek lo sanzman beneficiaries can’t we accept that as just a change to the correct wording so that nou pa lo koman en bezwen pran amendment just putting in the correct wording?

Ok good.

it’s a you That’s done, ‘’amended’’ ‘’based’’ you’re instead of saying to reflect the new needs.

Eski nou kapab aksepte sa koman just a change of wording ki reflekte en lot soz,-savedir si panel i aksepte sa nou kapab si manm napa obzeksyon yes panel in nod.
Then we can go to the substantial amendment which is to substitute “may” in place of “shall” sa ou kapab adrese mon krwar.

HON BERNARD GEORGES Mersi Mr Chair.

sel rezon ki mon pe propoze se ki, eski tou bann the beneficiary’s condition i pou otomatikman lead to a change of the contract?

changes to to Sa ki mon kestyon or eski ou annan sanzman the medical other condition beneficiary’s condition ki pa pou neseserman bezwen amann sa Kontra.

That’s the question I’m asking.


if So require requires an it amendment then it will be, but if an doesn’t it amendment, it doesn’t then need to be amended.

Otherwise ou pou otomatikman bezwen sanz en Kontra menm si ou pa pe sanz naryen ladan.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Ok, so nou a les PS reponn sa kestyon, PS?

PS LINDA WILLIAM-MELANIE 120 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 Mersi Mr Chair.
Mr Chair mwan mon oule met lanfaz lo si nou go back kot i dir mon pou lir;- “Where a beneficiary is subjected medical to examination after the conclusion of a contract under subsection (1) and the medical or health professional a change’’ - it’s a change ‘’in the beneficiary’s the contract shall be amended” because there is a change.
This is a keyword,’’ the change.’’ determines condition Parey mon ti eksplike taler, si en dimoun in ganny en latak son kondisyon premye kou i se ki i bezwen en carer pou en dizon en lazournen antye, ler son case i ganny review i vwar poudir avek fizyo avek keksoz in bann re fonksyonnman.

ganny son So Kontra i bezwen sanze pou reflekte sa bezwen aktyel apre ki sa in ganny determinen.
So se sa rezon ki nou santi “shall” i bezwen reste, akoz nou pe dir- si in change, si i pa'n change Lalwa pe dir change ou konpran?

So pou nou, nou pe get ki koman panel.

This is the key word akoz se sa rezon bomaten ler Minis in koz lo la, kot letan nou pe koz labi ki nou dir be petet a en moman donnen sa dimoun ti bezwen, i pa ti pe marse, i pa ti pe fonksyonnen.

Be apre in reganny son fakilte eski i merit kontinyen ganny carer pou en lazournen antye?

Kontra travay sa care giver i bezwen sanze.


I pa “may change” i bezwen sanze.

So pou konnen the key word i “change” si i pa'n sanze letan in fer the needs assessment i dir parey, i pa sanze i dir tousel.

I sous entendue parey nou dir dan Lalwa.

Me si i sanze i bezwen sanz son Kontra sanze, i pa kapab reste lo menm Kontra dir ‘’may’’ e vwala kot par ler petet sanmenm sa i ganny bann difikilte zot pe dir be nou pa'n fer due diligence, petet pou fer sir ki sa kontra i ganny sanze.

Mersi Mr Chair.
Mersi Mr Chair.

MR SPEAKER Ok. Sa leksplikasyon panel avan mou retourn lo la.

Onorab Bistoquet.

HON ROSIE BISTOQUET Mersi Mr Speaker.

Mon en pe dakor avek sa ki PS i dir, be selman ki letan nou dir “and the medical or health professional determines a change into the status” beneficiary’s health ouswa “health conditions”.

Akoz condition can be any condition.

So it should be en keksoz pou fer avek lasante.


121 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 E apre sa ki parey PS pe dir, wi i kapab petet sa dimoun i ti annan en in ganny en latak i pa'n kapab marse, ouswa in reste North East Point pou en pe letan sa carer in monte desann.

It could be vice versa, i kapab sa dimoun ti annan zis en tansyon, i ti napa okenn lezot gran problenm;- i ti kapab fer son pti kwi manze ouswa i ti kapab al deor en pti kou, be selman i ti pe ganny en carer 3erdtan.
Apre zis en sel kou i ganny en gro latak, savedir i pou bedwen en carer 24 lo, well full time mon pe dir.

So it could be both ways, i pa zis konmsi letan i pe rekipere.

Me petet i lot kote osi.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Ok. Mon zis anvi dir ki Onorab Bistoquet pe entrodwir en lot eleman dan azout health condition.

Konmsi nou bann amendment pe vin konplike.

Condition i kapab aplik pou health condition understood.

Me, Onorab Pillay.

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Mersi Mr Chairman.


Sanmenm lo mon kote letan nou ti pe dir i annan en kantite keksoz pou nou konsidere ek sa Lalwa.

Ou konnen both Onorab Georges avek PS i byen.

Dan en konteks Onorab Georges pe demann ek ou, ki par egzanp si ou'n ekrir en Kontra e ou pe pey sa carer R6660 right, e i pay en full day care.

Kondisyon sa dimoun i such ki par egzanp apre son needs assessment premye i pa ti pe kapab bouz o en kote lebra, la i pa kapab bouz tou lede.
Still sa kondisyon sa Kontra pou reste the same akoz i pou still pey li full day care, ou pou still donn li sa.

Unless ou pe dir ek mwan dan sa Kontra, ou pou spesifye serten lezot aktivite spesifik ki ou bezwen fer avek sa dimoun.

Se sa ki ou pe dir mw ---- si ou pe dir mwan sa then mon swiv ou largiman ou konpran?
But on the other hand ou bezwen osi mazinen poudir si son kondisyon pe improve ou, ou bi se avek en sityasyon kot en dimoun son kondisyon i kapab improve sepa pour ki i vin depandan lo en lot dimoun.

Be se ki avek son improvement e condition i ed improve son mobilite, psikolozikman li osi i improve pou li sorti dan son kondisyon.

So mon krwar nou problenm la se ki nou bezwen konpran byen from perspektiv bann eksper, what we want to mean exactly.
122 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 Otherwise si ou'n ekrir en Kontra and the contract parey mon'n dir is for the amount ki sa dimoun pe gannyen, he or she is giving full day care which includes balye lakaz, netwaye, met prop fer tou keksoz.

Mon pe zis donn bann legzanp konmsi.

It includes all of that, then what are the that will change?

conditions What - how will the contract change in relation to a condition that worsens e ou ti still pe donn sa dimoun everything - the maximum?
Mersi.

PS LINDA WILLIAM-MELANIE Mr Chair, may I?

MR SPEAKER Yes PS.

PS LINDA WILLIAM-MELANIE Mon krwar petet bann difikilte ki pe avek sa deba se ki, nou pe still mazin home care pou parey i ete la.

Nou pa pe vwar - akoz taler nou'n demann kestyon lo WHODAS needs assessment.

Mon'n dir poudir lo fonksyonnalite, se Kontra i sanze baze ler sa assessment in ganny fer, ler bann dimoun medikal, health professional zot ki pou determinen.

E baze sa ki zot in determinen la ki sa Kontra i sanze.
So i pa pou Lazans ki pou sanze, sa Kontra pou bezwen sanz dapre sa ki'n ganny determinen par Lasante.

So se sa ki mon pe dir the change ki nou pe koz lo la.

This is the key word ki pe dir lo la ki i annan pou fer avek sa Kontra.

Akoz sa Kontra pou bezwen lo sa bezwen ki'n ganny assess.

So i pou- E se sa rezon ki i kapab annan sa sanzman ladan.

E si i annan sa sanzman i “shall” cannot “may be”.

Sa i mon lenterpretasyon.


Unless- MR SPEAKER Ok, panel pe propoze ki nou gard “shall” si i annan okenn largiman ki nou kapab pous sa but, otherwise nou bezwen aksepte li.

Onorab Gill.

HON CHURCHILL GILL Mersi Mr Chair.

Mr Chair nou pe zis perdi letan akoz sa clause i pe dir egzakteman parey i devret dir.

E sa “shall” i deza ladan, panel i oule kit li e nou napa naryen pou diskite lo la.

MR SPEAKER Non i ler panel in donn son lopinyon, i depan lo Manm.

Nou'n dir sa souvan.


HON CHURCHILL GILL Non, in eksplike li, in eksplike li.

Me i pa paret … 123 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 MR SPEAKER Sa in ganny dir souvan, me panel in donn son rezon.

Mersi Onorab.

Panel in donn son rezon pou gard “shall” si Manm i aksepte sa nou kapab fermen.

Ok?

Onorab Georges oule kontinyen?

HON BERNARD GEORGES Mon ti anvi zis fer Onorab Gill rapel ki si mon donn en direktiv lo nou kote latab pou la avek “may”, “shall” i tonbe.
Me pa sa ki nou anvi fer, nou pa isi pou fer sa kalite keksoz.

May I suggest Mr Chair en solisyon.

Mon still pa vwar akoz- mon still krwar ki “shall” i pou ferm nou dan en trou dan serten ka, kot nou pou bezwen sanz en Kontra menm si nou pa bezwen, but that’s ok it’s not a deal breaker.

E se pou sa rezon ki mon ti'n propoze ki olye nou met “based on” nou met “to reflect”, akoz i bezwen- sa Kontra i bezwen reflekte sa ki sa needs assessment report pou fer.
E alors si mon pe- si nou pou gard “shall” les mwan propoze ki olye nou met “to reflect the new needs assessment” si nou kapab met “to reflect any new needs assessment” “any”.

Donk that will give a wider marz mannev.

Ok akoz i pa kler.

There will be a change but it doesn’t mean that that change will necessarily to a lead requirement to change.

MR SPEAKER Thank you.

Panel?

ok akse, Manm?

Ok good.

Nou'n fini avek sa.

Kontinyen Onorab Naidu.

HON SATHYA NAIDU Ok Mr Chair.

Renumbering.


MR SPEAKER Yes sorry Onorab Cosgrow kote ou ete la?

Lanmenm ok. HON WALLACE COSGROW Mr Chair wi.

Mr Chair mon ti pe esper tou sa bann deba “may”, “shall” fini, pou mwan antre avek sa ki pou mwan.

Pa dan sa lamannman me solman pou mwan sa clause 12 Kontra i clause pli enportan dan sa Lalwa ozordi.

Akoz annefe se sa tou dimoun deor, tou bann home carers pe asize pe ekoute pe espere.
Akoz lenpresyon ki nou'n donnen, se ki nou pe formaliz home care e i annan menm ki nou'n al ase lwen pou dir nou pou donn zot, zot bann benefis nou pou donn zot, zot bann diferan benefis ki zot sipoze gannyen koman en travayer koman en anplwayer.

124 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 So this is the section where nou deal ek sa bann zafer benefis.

So ler mon get 1, 2 avek 3 Mr Chair, mon gete mon war en tripartit, en laranzman Agency.
Pa en laranzman akoz parey mon’n dir boner i annan entermedyer dan milye e sa se Lazans.

laranzman Now sa Kontra pou ganny fer between sa home care provider avek sa beneficiary.

E an prensip si i koumsa, sa dimoun i anploye avek sa beneficiary ok?

Me lekel ki pou pey sa home care provider, eski sa beneficiary pou pey from son pos si i pe ganny en full day, full allowance, full zafer kot i pa pe bezwen subsidise li osi?

So kote bann provizyon kondisyon lanplwa i antre dan sa Kontra?
Akoz 3 i koz lo bann needs of sa beneficiary, i pa koz lo kondisyon sa dimoun.

Akoz nou'n koz lo konpansasyon, nou'n koz lo saler pou monte, nou'n koz lo konze piblik.

Kote i antre son konze piblik ladan?

So pou mwan sa seksyon ki la is this section dan sa zafer e si nou kapab ganny en pe leksplikasyon avek panel, kote benefis the home care giver i antre ladan?

Mersi bokou Mr Chair.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Panel i kapab adrese?

MINISTER MARIE-CELINE ZIALOR Mersi Mr Chair.


Mr Chair mon krwar si petet kekfwa dan mon konklizyon, se sa ki mon ti adrese -se sa ki mon ti adrese Mr Chair.

E parey mon krwar PS in fini eksplike, in dir nou a pe mazin nou home care parey i ete konmela.

Napa en lenstans ki dan nou prezantasyon panel ouswa dan mon lentrodiksyon, ki sa ki Onorab Cosgrow in dir nou'n dir.

Revwar verbatim Mr Chair, napa en lenstans kot nou'n dir ki sa bann carer i anploye ensidswit konze piblik, nou'n pa'n nonm sa nou.
E vwala akoz sa Lalwa i parey i ete.

E nou ti pe dir letan sa Lalwa i pou bann dimoun ki benefisye avek en servis ki zot bezwen, ki Gouvernman i donn zot ki zot pa kapab peye.

Sa i pa en Kontra Lanplwa Carer - pa sa, sa Lalwa.

I pa en Kontra Carer sa.

E mon krwar sa bann konfizyon ki mon ti'n vwar depi komansman, nou'n met dan konklizyon nou'n dir nou'n adrese.
E i en mon krwar i en zafer ki petet Lopozisyon pa dakor avek ki mannyer sa Lalwa in ganny ekrir, pou Kontra dan plas kekfwa petet 125 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 nou apre propoz sey konmsi regarde ki i napa - i pa kler sa Kontra.

Nou, nou vwar ki mannyer keksoz i marse i kler.

kKkfwa petet la fason ki mannyer sa model ki nou anvi ki sa bann dimoun i ganny anploye ki pa leka.

Mon krwar petet Mr Chair se sa ki Onorab Cosgrow pe demann leksplikasyon lo la.

E vwala nou larepons.


E mon ti dir dan konklizyon sa i en servis - i en servis ki Gouvernman i provide lasistans pou bann dimoun ki pa kapab donnen.

E sa kontra travay prezan sa Lazans li i antre pou regard sa Kontra e desinen.

Kontra parey in dir wi i ant sa beneficiary avek sa dimoun ki donn care.

Me i en servis, i pa en Kontra Lanplwa.

MR SPEAKER Thank you.

Mon annan - Onorab sorry lo sa konsep mon krwar nou pou bezwen aksepte mannyer Lalwa ganny prezante.
in Si ou annan lopinyon lo la byensir, ou annan en lopinyon me selman nou pa pou kapab al reformil sa ki sa Lalwa in mete.

Mon a pran ou kestyon Onorab Loze.

HON JOHAN LOZE Yes, Mr Chair.

Mr Chair Minis i annan en kestyon ki Onorab Cosgrow in poz li ki in pa'n reponn.

Lekel ki peye?

Eski larzan sa Lazans i donn beneficiary, sa beneficiary i peye?

Eski sa beneficiary i pey dan son pos, Lazans reimburse li?

Eski Lazans i pey the care giver direkteman?


Now kestyon ki Onorab Cosgrow ti pe demande e ki Minis ziska prezan pa pe kapab dir nou, eski sa bann keksoz ki bezwen vin anba sa Kontra la, eski i pou ganny definir par en S.I.

ouswa nou pou kot li vag parey la?

Mersi Mr Speaker.

i ete MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Minis.

MINISTER MARIE-CELINE ZIALOR Mersi Mr Chair.

Mon krwar pou tir sa konfizyon, mon a demann parey ki ASP i fer la ki i ava petet CEO i ava eksplike.
Akoz Gouvernman i donn beneficiary li, sa lasistans i en lasistans sosyal, selman mon a les CEO i a pli byen kapab eksplike ki mwan.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER CEO.

CEO BRENDA MORIN 126 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 Mersi Mr Speaker.

Mersi onorab pou ou kestyon.

Lazans li i provide sa benefis pou sa peyman i pe ganny peye avek sa benefisyer.
Endirekteman la Lazans li i donn sa carer apre pou fasilit pou sa benefisyer, akoz parfwa i annan ki lo lili i pa pe kapab al labank pou al tir larzan sa ki nou ede.

E Lazans la sa nouvo Lazans osi la, i pou kontinyen avek sa sistenm ziska ler li i a vin avek son model ki li i a vwar, me sa benefis i pou sa benefisyer.

Li si li i oule son larzan dan son lanmen pou li pey son carer, sa i enposib, me si osi i annan lezot fason ki nou pou bezwen a Lazans pou fer i a fer.

Mersi.
Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Ok. Onorab Cosgrow.

HON WALLACE COSGROW Mr Chair, mon konpran ki zot pe dir, be sa ki zot ti pe vin avek la - sa ki zot pe vin avek i ti anba Scheme lankadreman Gouvernman but the Scheme no longer exists la.

La ou'n normaliz li but it cannot be a Scheme si i anba sa, ou konpran?

en So ou'n normaliz li, now who protects the home care fer givers?
Akoz ki nou'n toultan nou'n dir ki poudir anba en Scheme, sa dimoun napa okenn benefis, napa okenn naryen zis i vini i al donn en sa - i ganny peye at the end of the day i pa ganny naryen.

I reste parey la.

Konmsi - so basically zot in vin anmenn en Lalwa ki tou keksoz i parey e nou pe pran sepa konbyen erdtan pou nou diskit lo en keksoz e kit tou keksoz parey.

E pou mwan sorry pou mwan sa i konpletman fel tou sa ki zot in dir nou anvi fer avek - home AKonpletman.

Mersi bokou Mr Chair.


service care MR SPEAKER Ok. Sa i en komanter.

Onorab Pillay.

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Mersi Mr Chairman, Mr Chairman premyerman permet mwan fer 3 koreksyon.

zot pou I pa nou kote latab ki'n dir poudir an relasyon avek bann ganny carers, formelman anploye eksetera, eksetera se lo kote.

Si mon go back to verbatim bomaten well mon'n sey mon mye pou capture sa ki'n ganny dir;- Onorab Samynadin, Onorab Woodcock, se zot ki'n dir.
127 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 E ou Minis ler ou'n reponn ou pa'n adres sa bann konsern ki zot in dir, sa zot ki'n dir poudir lankadreman eksetera, eksetera, pa nou.

Nou sa ki nou pe demand ou, nou pe demann ou pou kre en- donn nou en klarite.

Ou, ou dir nou poudir home care, nou, nou pe mazin home care parey i pe ganny fer ozordi.

CEO i dir nou home care pou vin dapre en model ki sa Lazans i a determinen.

So nou, nou bezwen ganny en konpran.


Lo en kote home care pou parey ozordi, be lo lot kote i pou vin ek en model ki sipoze ganny determinen.

Nou kestyon i senp, eski Kontra pou adres bann size ki nou'n souleve?

Konze piblik, apard lezot, bann kondisyon travay, eski sa pou ganny adrese?

Si ou dir nou poudir wi i pou ganny adrese then nou napa problem.

Be si ou pa kapab confidently dir nou wi i pou ganny adrese la then we have a problem akoz nou pe pas en Lalwa ki pou al afekte dimoun.
So si ou annan sa peryod 12mwan, mon pa war li i byen ki Lasanble nou pe pas tou sa letan pou diskit lo en keksoz ki Gouvernman pa ankor pare pou fer son lenplimantasyon.

So eski konze piblik tou sa bann size ki ganny souleve la pou ganny taken onboard avek sa size Kontra e eski i pou ganny preskrir oubyen non?

Setou.

MR SPEAKER PS wi.

PS LINDA WILLIAM-MELANIE Mr Chair mersi.

Mon krwar mon pa pou al dan tou bann keksoz lepase.
Me selman Polisi si nou rapel Onorab Henrie in komans koz lo sanzman Polisi 2008, 2009.

Mon ti PS apre 2009 e a en sa donnen moman Lasanble ti dir akoz pa donn larzan bann beneficiary pou pey zot carer?

avek dan zot i lo son Nou ti trouve poudir sa ti pou en problenm, akoz si en lili ki beneficiary mannyer i pou ganny sa benefis.

Sa benefis i parey CEO in dir se sa benefis pou sa dimoun ki bezwen sa led.

Ek sa benefis sanmenm sa ki sa larzan i pey sa dimoun ki donn li sa servis.
En desizyon Gouvernman ti ganny pran depi avan se ki Lazans Proteksyon Sosyal i administre - ankor enn fwa i administre sa benefis lo behalf sa beneficiary, ok?

128 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 E si nou pou get sa transition clause 38 ki pe dir i pou pass on avek Lazans, sa i pou kontinyen ziska Lazans i fini met son bann striktir annord.

E sa model ki pe ganny ki dir enternasyonalman partou i koumsa.

en model se Carer i anrezistre avek en Lazans.


Tou bann resers ki nou'n fer pou nou kapab vin ek sa Lalwa, nou'n vwar poudir carer i anrezistre ek en Lazans, bann ki Gouvernman i bezwen donn peyman donn larzan i donn avek sa Lazans parey i le ka la ozordi, pou pey sa dimoun ki donn servis sa beneficiary.

Leta pa pe donn en saler sa carer li.

Parey ki i vin lo en payroll.

I en benefis pou sa dimoun ki apply.


E pou zis reponn kestyon ki Onorab in dir Scheme pa'n mor li, Scheme i dan sa Lalwa, akoz i dan son Bidze goods and services ki pou bann pey kontinyen allowance, ki sa beneficiary pou gannyen.

sa So ler Lazans i ava ganny etablir, Minis in dir bomaten pe met en Lalwa ki pou etablir en Lazans, pou li migrate sa servis from ASP akoz ASP parey nou tou nou'n koze, i pa en Lazans ki sipoze manage home care service.
I ti ganny plase dan en fason tanporer apre ki in vin en pe long term.

Me i bezwen annan son landrwa pou li pou manage li e se sa rezon ki sa Lalwa pe anmennen ki i annan sa Lazans.

Nou'n koz lo bann, sa clause tranzitwar; - ler Lazans parey Minis in dir in fini etablir li, si i annan bann keksoz anba regilasyon, si Gouvernman in vwar poudir i kapab met carer lo son wage Bill i ava vini.
Me selman la the objective se ki sa Kontra i get parey the job description ki ou sipoze al fer avek sa beneficiary, ler in ganny assess son bezwen?

So vwala en pti pe ki mannyer i devret.

Swa mon pa konnen si sa Kontra ki pe vin en problenm, the word contract, but i annan en keksoz ki bezwen montre ki ou sipoze fer avek - ki travay ou sipoze fer avek sa beneficiary.
So si sa Kontra ki en problenm, mon pa konnen Lasanble i a dir poudir Kontra ki en problenm ki pe may nou zanbet, me lentansyon se ki asire ki ler en care giver i pe al travay kot en dimoun ki'n ganny assess i bezwen sa led, i bezwen donn sa servis dapre sa ki'n in ganny assess.

So i annan sa kondisyon poudir si ou pou travay 3erdtan dan 3erdtan ki ou sipoze al fer 129 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 dan lakour sa dimoun pou sa dimoun?
So Mr Chair vwala en pti pe ki mon kapab eksplike vizavi bann policy decision ki ti ganny pran pou nou kapab anmenn sa Lalwa devan.

E osi baze tranzisyon depi bann diskisyon bann policy avan.

Mersi Mr Chair.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Mon bezwen demann en klarifikasyon en konfirmasyon zis pou kapab move on.

oubyen Mwan mon konpran Minis ek panel in dir this is, nou pe koz lo en service contract, nou lo employment pa pe koz contract Service contract.
therefore i pa annan kondisyon ki relye avek employment laws, konze bann keksoz koumsa am I correct?

Ok Minis.

So la i la ki mannyer the program has been conceived.

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Mr Chairman.

Then Lasanble in ganny mislead.

Akoz ler Bidze ti pe vini, ya non, non annou lo sa la.

When the budget was coming e Gouvernman was almost, was sure ki son Lalwa pou pare in entrodwir en nouvo line dan Bidze.

En budget line dan Bidze pou en Home Care Agency dir nou son Lalwa pe vini.
I ti pe vin avek lentansyon in the respect to formalize the employment of carers.

No but that was the Minister said when the budget came and in fact nou, nou pa ti vote lo Bidze and there was no debate on that.

Be la nou pe war poudir government is not ready avek son Lalwa.

E Gouvernman ki i pe fer i pe met en transitory clause.
pe met So Mr Speaker mon bezwen ou Mr demann Chairman, si Gouvernman pe met en transitory clause, si Gouvernman en transitory clause for 12 months akoz ki Gouvernman had not taken it’s time pou anmenn son Lalwa next year.

E bring it la pou fer nou pran sa letan pou nou diskit la when the law is not ready?

Se Minister Finans ki ti dir nou sa, correct me if I’m wrong.

MR SPEAKER Wi, mwan mon pa kapab dir poudir the law is not ready, the in is before us.
Zot law anmennen en Lalwa ki zot anvi so la i la kot nou'n arive.

Onorab Henrie.

Nou pou bezwen move on lo sa pwen the law the way it is presented to us i stand.

Onorab 130 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 Henrie ki pwen ou ti oule fer lo la?

sa konfye HON GERVAIS HENRIE Wi Mr Chair, Lalwa i pare, i la devan nou.

Solman nou koman en Lasanble nou bezwen aksepte poudir we have to set up that legal framework ki apre i ava annan bann lapwentman.
E sa bann dimoun ki ganny bann responsabilite pou bezwen asize prezan fer tou sa bann zafer parey Kontra.

E koumsa dan zot pei mon pe gete la par egzanp- ou kapab ekspekte poudir the contract will be part of the Mother Act.

It doesn’t work this way a mon avis.

Bomaten mon dan donn prezantasyon mon'n legzanp IECD mannyer i marse.

So i annan tou son bann keksoz ki pou ekoul ek li.


Par egzanp ozordi Mr Chair, Gouvernman i donn en finansyel lasistans bann dimoun ki dan biznes childminding pou zot pey en childminder.

So i annan en model ki mars parey.

Gouvernman i pou donn ou en lasistans finansyel.

So mwan mon ava zwenn Lopozisyon lo en serten kote, pou dir Minis in promet nou annan poudir kontinyasyon diskisyon menm dwatet vin devan nou.
ava i egzanp pare, So par in letan en Kontra konversasyon ki Lasanble i kapab fer - akoz par egzanp pou mwan mon ti dir dan mon prezantasyon pwen ki mon oule fer lo la mon konsernen avek sa zafer pansyon.

Mon anvi war ki bann care givers pa perdi zot pansyon, ki zot kontinyelman ganny responsabilize pou pey zot kontribisyon.

nou Akoz prezan zot bann independent service provider pou kontinyelman sansibiliz zot pey zot pansyon.
Pour ki Fon Pansyon i pa perdi li, bann active members e ki kontribisyon Fon Pansyon pa tonbe nou fek pe koz lo la.

So the contract i kapab fer kler sa poudir pansyon ou bezwen peye, sepa mwan konze piblik ouswa menm mon pe get Bhutan dan zot Kontra i met zot sonm ki pou ganny peye.

E mon a fini lo la Mr Chair akoz nou dan lot clause i koz lo financial assistance.

Par egzanp dan Lalwa IECD i annan en sub clause ki dir ou larzan ki ou pey sa child minder i bezwen anliny avek sa ki Leta in preskrir.
I napa li dan sa Lalwa la, be tandis ki en beneficiary i kapab deside pou koup en R100, i donn son care giver less.

So si nou ti pran sa model IECD 131 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 ki dir i bezwen menm amount ki Leta in preskrir pou peye i ti pou en kouvertir.

So i annan bann keksoz ki nou pou bezwen kontinyelman regarde.

Be solman mon satisfe Lalwa i parey, i permet sa bann dimoun ki pou ganny konfye responsabilite pou vin avek son bann fonksyonnman.
Be solman pou wan la mon kapab viv avek mannyer i ete.

Mersi Mr Chair.

detay sa MR SPEAKER Mon oule zis dir ek Onorab Cosgrow nou'n deal avek sa bann kestyon.

Minis in klarifye, nou pa kapab sanz the whole concept of the law.

Lalwa i la devan nou, nou pe pran bann amannman ki kapab antre dan Lalwa.

Me ou, ou pe koz en lot model.

So, Onorab Cosgrow fer en dernyen pwen avek Onorab Loze akoz mon pe move on apre- HON WALLACE COSGROW Mr Chair mon pou fer dernyen pwen pou mon met keksoz kler.
Ler nou pe get sa seksyon 12 la nou pe koz en lagreman triparti ek Lanplwa la, ok en lagreman triparti dan en sans.

Me sa seksyon 12 i get zis 2 kote i get zis sa Lazans ek sa beneficiary.

Napa en lagreman ant sa Lazans avek sa home care giver sa ki mon pe dir i pa fer provizyon ladan pou annan.

Ler ou get sub (3) i dir ou “the contract shall set out the obligations of the parties and the conditions under which it should be performed based on the needs assessment”.
So i pou en Kontra on problenm sa dimoun ki ou pe al travay ek li.

Pa employment conditions.

teknik based So ki mon pe dir mwan sa dimoun, sa home care giver has to be protected in a way or another avek sa Agency, Agency has to enter into either it’s a Service Agreement avek sa home care giver or an Employment Contract - I don’t know ki zot anvi antre ladan but there has to be an Agreement avek sa home care giver.
Sa home care giver pa kapab zis vin dan naryen ditou i vin kot ou i bezwen annan en lagreman ant ou avek li.

Ou konpran mwan, se sa ki mon pe sey dir.

Si zot pa pe dakor avek sa, mon asir zot poudir ankor dan detrwa mwan zot pou tourn la zot pou vin re amenn sa ki mon pe dir.

Mersi bokou Mr Chair.

MR SPEAKER Ok mersi.

Sa ti son dernyen pwen.

Onorab Loze.

132 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 HON JOHAN LOZE Mersi Mr Speaker.

Mr Speaker I’m not going to belabor the point.


Selman mwan i annan en keksoz ki'n arive apre ki Onorab Henrie in koze.

Onorab Henrie in dir les bann dimoun antre an plas, les zot set up, les zot definir bann kondisyon, akoz la nou tou nou agree poudir keksoz i vag e menm en pe tro vag.

Now, read sa ki Onorab Henrie fek dir avek sub(5) ki “the Minister may prescribe terms and conditions that will apply to the provisions of home care and which terms and conditions shall be deemed part of every contract”.
The Minister i la li, enn.

Nou kit en Kontra deliberately vague e en clause enportan ladan apre ki nou ganny les bann eksplike poudir dimoun antre dir nou poudir the Minister pou prescribe.

Setou mon word of caution mon ti oule leve.

Mersi Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER Thank you.

It’s a word of caution.

Mersi.

Minis panel in note.

Yes silvouple.

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Mon pe zis met sa pwen devan ou.

Ou war prezan kot nou, nou vini koman Lopozisyon, The Minister holds a majority in the House.
Now, ler li i vin ek son prescription, the only way ki nou, nou kapab challenge son prescription is by a Motion to quash son prescription.

Now given mannyer Gouvernman pe fer ozordi kot zot anvi menm vot lo en Lalwa ki pa ankor pare, eski nou kapab dir poudir ler nou ganny nou en kondisyon ki vin atraver en regilasyon nou konman Lopozisyon nou pou kapab anpese oubyen fer keksoz pase?

i the from So, we have to make sure ki Gouvernman pran konsyans bann konsern ki nou annan get-go.
Otherwise, i pou en mountain for us to have to climb ler pou nou al quash en S.I en relasyon avek en Kontra.

And that is the danger ki la Mr Speaker.

i annan The danger i se ki nou dir that we will apply the provision of home care and which terms and condition shall ‘be deemed’ to be part of every contract.
to Sa Minis i annan en pouvwar - se Gouvernman Minis ki pou annan pouvwar napa nanryen pou fer avek Lazans, napa nanryen pou fer avek sa and as a Tripartite Agreement ou pa kapab annan zis is two parties and it 133 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 three parties considered, all have to be considered.

And that is what we are saying.

Ozordi nou annan sa problenm ek konze piblik carer, nou annan problenm avek zafer konze carer.

We want that to be resolved atraver en lazans.


But nou pe zis pran sa problenm transfer li avek sa Lazans, and then it will carry on.

So, if we do not want to find a solution to it Gouvernman find, that is your way of doing thing.

Be we feel ki carers e bann dimoun ki resevwar care from zot they do need a solution.

That is what we said.

Mersi Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Anfen bann komanter in ganny fer.

Mon krwar nou bezwen retourn lo sa pwen ki nou ti ete ti dernyen wording.
Nou’n aksepte sa wording ki LGB ti propoze amended to reflect any new needs, korek?

Mon pa krwar nou ti’n fer en desizyon lo la.

Panel ti'n dakor.

Manm in aksepte.

So, ok we can move on from there.

HON SATHYA NAIDU As A result of Clause 4 sub 4 in there will be Clause 12 renumbering, so clause 4 should read as number 5 and after that number 6 under Clause 12 in relation to contracts.
On to page 12-part 5 Clause 14, it should read ‘‘The Agency shall cause monitoring officers appointed under this Act to perform visits to a home’’.

So, ‘‘to perform home’’ ‘‘home’’ is removed.

So, it should read ‘‘visits to a home’’.

Onto clause 16 sub 2 the fourth line suspended, the certificate of ‘‘suspend registration until such period that he or she complies with the enforcement notice’’.

So ‘‘such period that’’ is being inserted.


Clause 17 (1) it should read as follows ‘The Agency may after serving the home care giver with a notice giving him or her an opportunity to show cause as to why his or her certificate of registration should not be revoked, ‘’revoke the certificate of registration’’.

So, with a ‘‘show cause’’ ‘‘show cause’’ is being removed.

And then is a formatting to line after (a) with regards to (b).
there Now part (c) the second line it should read as follows ‘‘to provide home care within the period during which his or her certificate of is suspended’’ – ‘’‘during which’ is inserted.

‘ registration 134 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 Clause 18 ‘‘the President may appoint.

on such terms and conditions as the President may So, we are determine’’.

removing the word ‘‘he’’ cause tomorrow we might have a female for a President.
Appointment of Deputy CEO mon krwar Onorab Pillay Mr Chair.

MR SPEAKER Sorry yes nou annan en lanmen ki’n leve Onorab Henrie.

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Mersi Mr Chair.

Very quick query pou panel kapab eksplik mon.

Mon ti lev sa pwen dan mon lentervansyon.

of Eski zot kapab klarifye pou mwan, lefe ki i annan en Board ki ganny apwente on the consultation the recommendation of the Minister by the President, akoz ki pa sa Board ki pe rekomann en lapwentman ki CEO avek Prezidan?
E ki Prezidan i zis apwent sa CEO?

Mon vwar poudir zot dir ‘’the President may poudir appoint.’’ Savedir eski zot pe dir mwan poudir there is somebody else ki kapab appoint sa CEO in which case the Board?

So, if that is the case then akoz nou pa fer li en pe pli explicit.

I think that is what the intend was.

So perhaps let’s make it a little bit clearer ki nou le dir la?

Mersi Mr Chairman.

DRAFTSPERSON LEGAL AMELIE NOURRICE Thank you, Mr Chair.
Yes, I do agree with this proposal we can say ‘’the President shall’’ and include can also we ‘’in consultation the Board’’ to because the Agency is in fact accountable the Board.

to Thank you, Mr Chair.

MR SPEAKER Ok. Madanm Draftsperson in propoz en nouvo wording lo lapar panel.

Manm I aksepte sa?

Thank you.

Onorab Loze lekel pwen ou ti le leve?

HON JOHAN LOZE Sorry Mr Speaker I wanted to raise a point on 14 but your eyes were adverted at the time.

Ler mon ti sey ganny ou latansyon.


le zis rod en Mon ti leklersisman 14(1)(b) is ‘’’whenever a lodged by a person against the home care’ giver.

complaint Mon ti pe zis demande eski i annan en lot landrwa kot ou trigger en home visit if a 135 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 complaint is lodged against the beneficiary of the service of care?

Mersi Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Panel?

Yes, madanm Draftsperson.


Petet, are you trying to say that and then wherever the Agency deems it necessary?

Eski ou pe dir li la?

Ti ava bon nou met en keksoz zis pou fer - make it a little bit clearer.

Mersi.

DRAFTSPERSON LEGAL AMELIE NOURRICE Thank you, Mr Chair.

In fact, we do have a provision.

It is on dispute resolution.

This where both parties can actually lodge a complaint against each other.

Yes, and the complaint will be heard by the Agency, the CEO most specifically.
Thank you, Mr Chair.

MR SPEAKER Thank you.

Wi Onorab Pillay.

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Wi very quickly.

Pwen Onorab Loze i se ki if you look at 14 where you look at your monitoring of home care you are monitoring home care only from one perspective.

the perspective of the home care giver only.

From Even monitor the beneficiary.

What he is saying is should you capture it as well?

Monitor the conditions within which the home care giver is giving son care.

MR SPEAKER Panel.

Yes, Ms Nourice.


DRAFTSPERSON LEGAL AMELIE NOURICE Thank you, Mr Chair.

Ok in fact we had a provision to that effect previously.

Selman the problem with this is that this whole part here regarding monitoring of home care, we talk about suspension, we talk about a notice of enforcement and revocation.

So, it might be a bit awkward in this particular part.

That is why we reserved this to the resolution procedure in the other provision.

Thank you, Mr Chair.


MR SPEAKER Ok so nou’n Thank you.

aksepte wording dan 18.

Onorab Georges.

HON BERNARD GEORGES What was Chair?

the wording Mr MR SPEAKER 136 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 Madanm Ms Nourice, would you like to repeat what you proposed - the President ‘’may appoint’’ - ‘’shall appoint’’ with the consultation of the Boar?

Please repeat.

DRAFTSPERSON LEGAL AMELIE NOURICE Thank you, Mr Chair.
It should read ‘’The President shall appoint in consultation with the Board’’.

Thank you, Mr Chair.

MR SPEAKER Thank you.

Onorab Georges wi.

read.

HON BERNARD GEORGES Or should ‘‘The it President shall in consultation the Board appoint’’.

with Because otherwise we going to have a problem with ‘’on such terms and consultation.’’ Si nou if we put it, if we put ‘’the appoint’’ earlier.

MR SPEAKER Ok thank you, panel in nod.

Manm i aksepte.

DRAFTSPERSON LEGAL AMELIE NOURICE I agree.

Thank you.
Thank you.

MR SPEAKER Onorab Pillay.

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Wi apre zis en pti pwen pou Ms Nourrice.

As far as I know PEMC is redetermining the condition and terms for CEOs in the public sector.

Not in public sectors but for CEOs and there has been already an assessment done by PEMC pou bann SOEs and eventually this is going to be - to come up.

Now in drafting we need to start considering that there has to be according to Government policy.
Akoz sak CEO pa kapab ganny apwente left right and center and then en bann pe ganny enn, lot pe ganny enn i annan ki ganny plis ki son Minis eksetera.

So mon vwar poudir la nou pe donn Prezidan - of course i pa kont Konstitisyon pou fer sa.

So, I am saying is we should take account of that as well.

MR SPEAKER Well do we need to take account in the law or nou zis assume that is the way it needs to be done?

Panel?

Can I propose that we continue avek sa wording ki’n ganny propoze?

Thank you.
Thank you.

Ok will go to the appointment of the Deputy CEO 137 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 nou kapab follow formil?

Ms Nourice?

lo menm DRAFTSPERSON LEGAL AMELIE NOURICE Yes, thank you Chair, we will go with the same provision.

Thank you, Mr Chair.

MR SPEAKER In other words, we have settled that.

Onorab Naidu i kapab move on.

HON SATHYA NAIDU Mr Chair, an oversight on my part with regards with clause 15 subclause 5.
‘’The monitoring officer’’ with insertion of a comma after ‘’officer.’’ And I believe Honorable Henrie wants to bring forth a proposition.

MR SPEAKER Onorab Henrie.?

HON GERVAIS HENRIE Mr Chair mon ti’n diskit avek Caucus ki mon ti oule fer en lamannman ki mon ti pe dir zot mon swete zot kapab aksepte dan 15 (5) i fer provizyon ki sa i bezwen monitoring officer prezant rapor an ekrir avek CEO dan lespas 10 zour.

Si i annan en inquiry ki’n fer dan en konplent.


E mon krwar mon ti pe anvi propoze ki i vin 7 working Akoz days instead of 10. rasyonnal nou pe deal avek bann dimoun ki kapab aze malad dezabilite.

E nou bezwen pran li adres bann size avek plis lirzans.

E mon krwar ki poudir tir 3 zour i pa pou vreman afekte zot performans;- konmsi zot bezwen donn lirzans latansyon en sityasyon ler i vin devan zot.

So mon ti pe propoze ki nou redwir sorti 10 pou vin 7 zour travay.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Onorab Arissol.


HON SANDY ARISSOL Mr Speaker an tou an siportan sa ki Onorab Henrie pe dir, selman mon ti a kontan kekfwa demann panel en leksplikasyon - kekfwa akoz zot in tonm lo 10 zour?

Eski i annan bann rezon spesifik kekfwa zot ki i anndan zot konnen an relasyon avek rapor?

Sey eksplik nou then avan kekfwa nou kapab tonm dakor lo sa lamannman e vote.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

CEO.

138 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 CEO BRENDA MORIN Mersi Mr Speaker.
Onorab pou ou kestyon.

Mersi Rezon ki nou ‘n mete parey osi avek kot ASP deza ler nou pe fer investigation in pran nou apepre 10 zour pou gannyen akoz ou pe lyez avek lezot lenstitisyon par ler, ki ou bezwen rapor avek zot pou espere.

Alor menm mon vwar 7 zour i en pti pe kourt.

En pti pe letan pou nou kapab e sa Lazans osi pou kapab akimil lenformasyon.

Par ler i pa sitan vitman ki ou gannyen.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

So, panel i an faver gard sa 10 zour.

Nou a kapab aksepte?

Good.

Onorab Naidu?


Kot ou ti’n arive.

HON SATHYA NAIDU Clause 19 part 2.

It should read ‘’‘the Deputy Chief Executive Officer’ the insertion of ‘‘officer’’.

is the same it ‘‘Deputy Chief Executive Officer is acting in the office of Chief Executive Officer’’, so we are removing ‘‘the’’.

Part 3 And under part 4 9 (3) ‘‘power and function shall for the purposes of this Act’’ comma.
And in part 5 on page 16 it should read as follows ‘‘that the appointment had ceased to have effect or on Insertion of ‘’on.’’ the ground’’.

‘‘s’’ And in Clause 21 part 3 we from it should be removing are ‘‘experiences’’ ‘’experience’ rather.

Clause 25-part ‘’b’’ on page 18, it should read as follows ‘‘the Chairperson may by a written notice’’ is being inserted ‘‘14 days’’ should read as ‘‘14 with an hyphen and day’’.
So, day - ‘’s’’’ is being removed and onto part 7 when it comes to the heading it should read as ‘‘part 7’’ And on to Clause 26 part 5 they just realignment and with regards to part 6 of Clause 26 it should read as follows ‘‘the Agency shall make a decision based on the facts presented before it and the party shall the decision’’.

comply with Insertion of ‘’with the decision’’.


On the part 7 ‘‘a person aggrieved by decision of The Agency may appeal against’’ we are inserting ‘‘against’’ ‘’such decision to the Board Appeals Board’’.
On to Clause 32 it should read as follows we are removing ‘‘her’’ it should start with ‘‘Civil’’ and caps capital ‘’Civil or criminal liability shall not lie against Agency the Chairperson, Vice-Chairperson 139 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 the member of the Board a committee’ removing the word ‘’staff or’’ it should be’ ‘officer or other staff of the Agency in respect of an act done or omitted’’ and it continues.
On to the Schedule formula for, we are entering inserting the word ‘’for’’ determining financial aid.
concerns And when it comes to part 1 it where family members immediately means mother, ‘’father, husband, wife, domestic partner and ‘’living - in’’ should there is hyphen between ‘’living-in.’’ And when it comes to part 2 part a part 2 it should read’’ a utility bill’’ rather than ‘’utility bills.’’ On the part ‘’b’’ it should read ‘‘transport expenditure’’ is considered’ than ‘’expenditures are.’’ And the same applies for part ‘’c’’ ‘’rental expenditures is considered.’’ rather those are all the And the amendments consideration of the panel and the House Mr Chair.
for E mon oule zis azout sa mo - Onorab Pillay sorry si mon’n dezapwent ou si mon pa’n konn Standing Orders par ker, me par fwa dan lavi ler ou komet serten lerer, se la kot ou kapab aprann pou pli byen fer.

So donn mon en sans osi.

I zis fer 2an ki mon la konman en Manm Elekte pou distrik Saint Louis e non pa en Manm ki’n asiz dan syez pou en peryod 12an.

Selman lannen prosen nou ava zwenn.

Mersi.

(APPLAUSE) MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Onorab anfen mon pa krwar in mansyonn sa avek okenn move lentansyon.
Be ou non in ganny mansyonnen ou le klarifye Onorab Pillay?

Sorry wi ale klarifye.

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Mon vwar ou pe donn mon sa laparol en pti pe trepidasyon.

avek Mr Speaker mwan mon zis konman en Manm ki annan plis leksperyans ki Onorab, mon oule zis dir ek li koumsa poudir mon lentansyon sete pa pou entimid ou, non fer okenn lot fason.
Me mon vwar ou’n pran sa laprantisaz konman en lofans, so mon demann ou leskiz si mon’n ed ou aprann en keksoz - e ki- non mon demann li leskiz si mon’n ed li aprann en keksoz Mr Speaker.

Lefe i reste ki mon osi mon’n aprann par mon fot.

E mon ti ava zis an pasan mansyonnen ki Mr Chairman 140 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 malgre i reste zis 10 nou lo sa latab sa Standing Order ki la, la mon konn li ase byen mwan - pa trakase.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Ok annou zis Tre byen.


konpran kanmarad.

Mersi bokou.

Bon nou’n ariv a lafen bann lamannman.

E nou’n vot lo bann lamannman ki ti neseser lezot lamannman in ganny aksepte, Nou ava pas dan Staz Lasanble pou nou pran Third Reading of the Bill.

Onorab Georges mon ava apel ou pou ou fer Third Reading.

Onorab Georges ou’n pare?

HON BERNARD GEORGES Wi Mr Chair.


Mon pe demann mwan si nou pa devret vot lo bann amannman oubyen eski nou we have taken all the amendment has been accepted already?

MR SPEAKER Wi.

HON BERNARD GEORGES Ok dan sa bann ka Mr Speaker anba Order 66 (1) mon move ki the Seychelles Home Care Agency Bill 2022 as amended i ganny lir en Trwazyenm Fwa.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi sa Mosyon i ava ganny segonde?

Onorab Naidu.

HON SATHYA NAIDU Mosyon i ganny segonde Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.
MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Manm ava vot lo Mosyon pou Third Reading of the Bill, Manm ki an faver lev lanmen silvouple.

Mersi.

Manm ki kont?

Mersi lo Formal Third Reading Home Care Agency Bill, 2022 as amended, 16 Manm in vot pour, 0 kont e 10 abstansyon.

Sa Mosyon i pase.

Alor Manm in aprouv Bill lo Third Reading e Madanm Clerk ava fer Third Reading.

MADAM CLERK Meri Mr Speaker.


This Act may be cited as the Home Care Agency Act, 2022 and shall come into operation on such date as the Minister may by notice published the Gazette appoint.

Mersi Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER Mersi Madanm Clerk.

Bon nou’n ariv a lafen travay lo sa Bill i reste pou mon remersye bann Manm e panel pou zot 141 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 partisipasyon e mon ava fer zis de pti komanter.
Mon krwar deba ozordi lo sa Bill in vreman enn ki’n lo en standar o an zeneral.

E mon felisit bann Manm pou sa e mon i en apresye.

Fotespere ki keksoz nou kapab tenir e kontinyen.

Mon konnen poudir in en Bill ki tous en Polisi sosyal ki tre enportan pou tou popilasyon e pou zot mon krwar ki Manm sa ki lavantaz ki nou’n annan dan focus lo sa Bill, se ki bann ki konsernen i santi ki nou pe donn zot latansyon olye adres nou bann konsern oubyen diferans nou menm.
So annou zis aksepte sa konman en bon siny pozitiv.

An menm tan mon aksepte bann konsern.

Mon krwar sa legzanp in osi montre nou ki bann konsern letan ki nou gannyen pou Bill i vreman poz en problenm reel e ki nou pou kontinyen nou zefor pou ganny pou etablir en prosesis pli smooth e ki pli an faver letan pou Lasanble konsider bann Bill mannyer i devret konsidere.

Alor mon ava remersi bann manm panel e mon ava swet zot bon depar e orevwar.
tenir Lasanble ankor en pti moman pou nou adres petet enn de pti pwen.

Mon a Mersi bokou.

kontinyasyon.

E bonn (The Minister and her delegation were excused from the House) MR SPEAKER deal Bon nou ava zis pran en i nou pti moman akoz sa dernyen Sitting dan sa lannen e in annan i en lannen ase sarze, bokou nou’n lezislasyon e bokou kestyon e Mosyon mon santi ki Manm in met bokou zefor dan zot fer zot travay konman Lezislater e konman Manm Lasanble ranpli zot devwar.
avek Mon konnen poudir dan recess bokou Manm pou okipe avek bokou lezot keksoz e mon oule swet zot bon travay pandan sa letan.

Mon konnen poudir i pou annan serten keksoz ki pou konsern Lasanble e Komite e mon pe espekte ki Manm i ava kapab ranpli sa bann nesesite ki devan zot.

Mon oule dir osi ki nou recess nou pa ankor set en dat pou nou repran apre recess, selman nou estimen ki i pa pou avan lafen Fevriye.
Rezon pour sa mon ti ava eksplik piblik se akoz i annan travay renovasyon e reparasyon ki nou bezwen fer dan Chamber.

142 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 Enn, i annan bann travay bann dega ki ti okazyonnen par linondasyon ki nou ti gannyen detrwa mwan pase, ki nou pa ankor rektifye akoz nou pa’n zanmen kapab frenm Lasanble pou ganny ase letan pou nou kapab fer li.

E osi i annan nou progranm pou nou sanz Sitting arrangement dan Chamber.
E tousala pou konmans ganny fer deswit ki nou sorti la ozordi.

sa le ki nou Donk mon kontinyen bann swiv reparasyon e en dat pou nou repran Lasanble i ava ganny anonse dan in due course, dan letan ki nou arive kapab definir kan nou pou fer li.

adres Mon ti’n dir bomaten nou pou pran en pti moman pou kapab bann constituent nou bann distrik e mon krwar mon ava envit bann Manm la an se moman pou fer li.
nou Nou pa kapab pas tou dimoun, me selman parey mon’n dir nou kapab pas de lo sak kote e mon ava propoze ki bann Chief Whip i pran laparol premye.

E pare bann Leaders.

Mon ava apel Chief Whip lo kote Lopozisyon Onorab Lemiel, si ou ti ava kontan dir enn de parol?

HON SYLVANNE LEMIEL Byensir Mr Speaker.

Bonn apre midi Mr Speaker.

Bonn apre mii tou mon bann koleg Manm Onorab e tou bann dimoun ki pe ekout nou ozordi.
Malerezman ozordi Mr Speaker nou dernyen zour dan Lasanble, mazorite nou bann distrik pe vwar zot anba delo ozordi.

E Anse Royale i pa enn leksepsyon kot deza delo in monte en pe partou.

E petet nou pe demann bann Lazans pou entervenir en pti pe vitman akoz depi bomaten i annan serten pa mal dega ki pe pase.

E nou vwar ki lasistans pou ariv i very, very slow.

So, mon pe demande ki petet ki bann Lazans konsernen i vreman entervenir avan lannwit i fer pou ki i ava kapab rezourd en pe sa bann problenm.
Mon konnen i annan serten laferm pe konmans noye tou.

Kot Fire Station in preski fini plen napa semen pase.

So please action urgent.

tan in en in en De lot kote Mr Speaker 2022 lannen very challenging nou kapab dir.
An menm lannen enteresan e en lannen kot in annan mon kapab dir ase bokou sirtou isi dan Lasanble, nou’n vwar nou kot nou pe bezwen debat en pti pe, lager en pti sirtou in annan bokou petet paler nou bezwen walkout osi, 143 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 akoz serten petet fason fer oubyen desizyon ki’n ganny pran petet ki nou, nou pa’n agree avek.

Me toudmenm tou sa i form parti travay.


konman dan bann Nou Lasanble Lezislater Nasyonal, in en plezir pou mwan menm mon travay avek tou mon bann koleg isi dan Lasanble lo nou kote.

Lo kote dan Gouvernman in en plezir pou mon travay ek zot.

In en plezir travay osi avek sekretarya Lasanble Nasyonal Madanm Clerk, Madanm Depite tou son bann staff IT e tou lezot ou menm Mr Speaker in en plezir pou travay avek ou.

Depite Speaker in en plezir osi pou travay avek li.
E i reste petet pou nou lo kote sa latab nou dir menm si in annan sa bann diferans antre nou, nou reste touzour zanmi, nou reste touzour byen, nou reste touzour koleg travay avek kanmarad.

Petet mon kontan ozordi pou mwan vwar Onorab Naidu pe smile pe sekwe latet.

Mon pe mazinen petet nou pou ranvers en pti pe sa bann desizyon ki i ti dir pou dir li i napa nanryen a fer ek nou isi, i pou zis dir nou bonzour.
Mon ti ava kontan ki petet lannen prosen, nou vin avek en lot latitid an ver kanmarad nou vin arete sa bann latitid rise pouse.

Annou arete annan sa bann latitid personal attack lo kanmarad, annou travay byen, annou travay dan linite, annou travay konman bann legzanp ki bann zenes la deor pe get nou.

la dan Lasanble Mr Speaker, zot ti koz ek nou zot ti dir nou poudir si nou krwar nou en bann legzanp pou zot konman zenn.
E zot ti vin Annou 2023 annou travay pou nou fer sa bann zenn vwar poudir wi, nou en bann legzanp pou zot e ki zot ava ankouraze pou zot vin bann Lezislater zot osi.
tou Avan mon terminen mon ti ava kontan swet ou menm ou Mr Speaker avek ou fanmir, Madanm Clerk avek ou fanmir, Madanm Depite Clerk avek ou fanmir, travayer dan Sekretarya Lasanble Nasyonal ek zot fanmir, Mr Hermitte pe kit nou, i pe resign - i pe pran son retret, alors mon dir li mersi pou tou sa ki in fer pou nou konman bann Manm isi dan sa Lasanble e pou nou Lasanble osi.

in Mon krwar fer en kantite travay pou nou.

I deserve i en lanmen ti ava byen nou aplodi li pou son travay ki in fer.
(APPLAUSE) 144 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 … e nou swet Mr Hermitte bonn sans dan nenport ki keksoz ki li i pe al anvizaze fer.

Mon bann koleg Manm Onorab isi dan Lasanble mon swet zot tou en Zwaye Noel e en bon lannen.

Mon konnen nou pou zwenn en pti pe avan lannen avan Nwel i vini.

Mon espere ki tou dimoun in travay ase dir e zot deserve en bon konze.

Zot deserve en bon repo.

Nou tou nou deserve en bon repo.


E an menm tan mon ti ava kontan swet mon prop fanmir pour mon, mon dir zot mersi pou sipor ki zot in donn mon pou ki mon’n kapab travay pandan sa lannen.

Parfwa i pa’n fasil.

Me selman avek zot sipor mon’n kapab fer li.

Tou mon bann koleg lo sa latab lo sa kote latab, as zot Chief Whip mon kontan korperasyon Mr Speaker ki zot in donn mwan.
E mon santi ki nou'n kapab travay byen ansanm e mon espere mon swete, ki lannen prosenn nou travay ava vin pli byen, nou ava pli byen kordinen, nou a travay pli dir ankor pou nou pei Sesel e pou nou fer al devan sa Lasanble.

Lo kote mon bann zabitan dan distrik, i reste pou mwan dir zot mersi pou zot sipor zot fidelite.
E zot devosyon anver distrik a toultan ki nou bezwen zot nou bezwen zot sipor tou dimoun ki nou apele i vin devan, pe enport zot afilyasyon politik nou war zot, zot vini, zot vin devan pou zot donn en koudmen, mon dir zot mersi.

Annou kontinyen dan sa fason travay.

2023 wi, 2022 wi in en lannen challenging, annan bokou keksoz, annan bokou nou bann manm fanmir in perdi, nou manm fanmir pros nou mazin zot.

Nou konman bann Manm Lasanble nou mazin zot e zot dan nou lapriyer.
Mon espere ki 2023 i ava en lannen en pe plis prosper pou zabitan mon distrik e osi pep Seselwa an zeneral.

Pou fini Mr Speaker mon swet tou dimoun en Zwaye Noel e en Bonn e erez Ane 2023.

Mersi.

(APPLAUSE) MR SPEAKER Mersi.

I sanble mwan Onorab Lemiel in dir preski tou.

Pou bezwen kalkil byen pou gete ki zot kapab azoute.

Onorab Arissol.

HON SANDY ARISSOL Mersi Mr Speaker.


Mersi pou donn mwan sa loner pou koz lo behalf tou mon bann Manm lo 145 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 kote LDS, an vi ki i zis mwan avek Onorab Lemiel ki'n ganny sa posibilite pou fer sa.

Letan nou pe koz lo lapli deor, en kantite lapli letan pa bon, mon bezwen osi aksepte e rekonnet ki lavil sa lannen in byen dekore, byen zoli lavil.
So mon ti a kontan profite dir bann ki'n dekor lavil pou met sa lanbyans atraver Biro Mer Lavil felisitasyon, zoli travay e nou toultan swete ki tou-le-z-an i vin bokou pli zoli e bokou pli mye.

Mr Speaker mon ti a kontan premyerman dir mersi mon Caucus Lasanble Nasyonal mon bann Manm ki la ki dan tou fason ou en lot zot in sey zot mye, pou zot deservi zot distrik an premye e osi pou nou attend nou lobzektif koman bann lezislater.
Sa se pou pas bann Lalwa anmenn bann Mosyon kestyon, pou asire ki bann demann nou bann constituent i ganny zisteman pase e zot tann nou pe fer sa travay.

Dezyenmman mon ti a kontan dir mersi Caucus US.

Nou'n travay avek zot pandan lannen antye.

I annan plizyer fer ansanm travay ki nou koman en Caucus lo Komite, bann vizit, menm aletranze nou bezwen akonpanny zot e zot akonpanny nou.

Sa i nou travay koman bann lezislater.


Mon ti a kontan dir mersi sekretarya atraver ou Mr Speaker, Depite Speaker, madanm Clerk, Depite Clerk tou bann staff.

Parey in ganny mansyonnen pou zot travay ekselan ki zot fer, menm anba en kantite presyon menm parfwa avek limit resours nou servi zot en kantite e pou sa mon dir zot mersi bokou lo laper nou Caucus.
Trwazyenmman mon ti a kontan dir mersi tou bann Egzekitiv, depi Minister Zidisyer, tou bann Minis e tou bann dimoun dan nou distrik enkli nou DA;- nou bann DA nou bann Constituency Clerk ki'n travay ek tou bann Manm lo tou lede kote latab mon ti a kontan di zot mersi bokou pou tou zot sipor.

i annan E by now letan nou pe plizyer koze Constituency Clerk ki zot appraisal in fini ganny fer e byento zot ava ganny zot rezilta pou zot ganny zot dues ki zot in zot depandan merite appraisal.
lo Mr Speaker dernyerman mon ti a kontan dir mersi tou fanmir, tou nou nou bann fanmir, nou madanm, nou bann zanfan nou tou isi dan Lasanble Nasyonal nou msye, 146 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 ki'n donn nou sa sipor pandan lannen.
e zot sipor An vi ki mon pe koz lo lapar mon Caucus, mersi bokou pou zot ankourazman, menm parfwa nou'n ariv an retar la in ariv sa ler ki'n arive i annan zanfan, i annan madanm ki pe esper nou paran la anndan pou ganny en pasaz zisteman pou monte depi ler zot in fini.

E dernyerman mon ti a kontan Mr Speaker, dir mersi nou bann dimoun dan distrik, bann dimoun ki ekout nou lo radyo, lo televizyon, ki anvoy bann pti anecdote pou nou pou demann sa kestyon pou li rod sa leklersisman pou li.
Mon ti a kontan dir enkli zabitan Bel Ombre zabitan tou lezot distrik ki mon pe koz lo laper mon Caucus, dir zot mersi pou zot sipor.

Mersi pou zot gidans, mersi pou zot lankourazman;- enkli bann zot Seselwa ki ou aletranze ozordi ler nou, nou pe fer sa deliberasyon.

trouv Alor pou fini Zwaye Noel, Bonn Ane e nou swete ki lannen prosen bokou plis travay, bokou plis konsantrasyon e pei i bouz ankor detrwa pa annavans.

Mersi bokou Mr Speaker.

(APPLAUSE) MR SPEAKER Mersi Onorab Arissol.


Mon a envit Leader Lopozisyon pou azout enn de mo.

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Mersi Mr Speaker, e bonswar tou koleg Onorab, bonswar tou dimoun ki pe ekout nou.

Mr Speaker, premyerman mon oule remersi Bondye, donn lagras Bondye pou ki nou'n war en lot lannen travay, ki nou'n nobou konplete koman en Lasanble.

Malgre bann diferans, bann diferan pozisyon ki nou'n pran.

Mon krwar nou'n kapab konplet nou travay e sa mon krwar i o servis Lepep Seselwa.
Dezyenmman mon ti a kontan remersye mon fanmir Mr Speaker, ki bezwen put up avek mwan, apre ki mon vin, depandan lo ler ki mon antre, Lasanble i fini, e travay koman en politisyen pa zanmen fasil.

E mon remersye tou fanmir bann politisyen, ki permet nou fer sa travay ki nou fer.

I pa fasil pou zot war mankman ki nou par la parfwa kot lakour, e pou sa mon remersi zot enfiniman.
Mwan osi bezwen Mr Speaker, akoz mon pou ganny problenm si mon pa fer sa, remersye tou bann siporter fidel United Seychelles ki'n siport 147 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 nou.

E osi tou lezot Seselwa ki'n siport nou travay ki nou'n fer koman en Caucus Lasanble.

Mon remersi tou Manm mon Caucus pou zot devouman, pou zot sipor, pou bann Manm ki lo zil.
Onorab Gill e Onorab Uranie, mon sinyal zot pou en mansyon spesyal akoz, zot osi zot bezwen fer bann deplasman ase souvan pou vin bann miting Mahe, e zot fer li avek tout antouzyazme e determinasyon ki demande, e sa nou vreman apresye.

Mr Speaker mon remersi travay ki mon'n fer avek ou lofis, avek Sekretarya.

Malgre nou pou toultan annan bann diferans, me mon krwar nou bezwen annan common ground osi, nou konnen ki mannyer travay i bezwen ganny fer.
E sa i pa en problenm dan en sirkonstans, kot ou annan en travay pou fer en keksoz ki ou bezwen akonpli.

Mon swete Mr Speaker, ki pandan sa letan kot i annan bann distrik ki pe fer fas avek bann problenm lapli, ki bann lazans konsernen i pran linisyativ e pran tou mezir posib pou zot fer tou sa ki zot kapab, pou asire ki pert propriyete pa sibstansyel.

E pou asire ki nou kapab trouv bann mezir pou ki bann lenpak sa gro lapli pa sitan prononse.

Nou pe apros lafen lannen.


Nou tou nou pe al dan sezon festivite.

I pa byen pou enn fanmir oubyen en lot, al dan en moman festivite avek en lenkyetid lo zot leker oubyen dan zot lespri.

Mr Speaker, mon bezwen osi remersye mon staff ki travay dir e osi remersye tou staff Sekretarya Lasanble ki’n travay avek nou.

E mon krwar zot in lezot remersye par ganny Manm, me mwan, mon konnen poudir E souvandfwa mon enterakte ek zot personnelman, e mon apresye profesyonnalizm ki zot vin avek.

travay.
travay.

zot E Mr Hermitte, malgre nou ti komans lo diferan footing ler ou ti komanse, me mon'n arive apresye ou travay, e apresye ou respe ki ou donnen.

Mon krwar ou'n menm montre mwan en kantite keksoz, lafason ki ou montre respe, avek leksperyans ki ou annan.

Mr Speaker, mon osi remersye leadership mon parti ki’n annan konfyans dan mon lekip la.
Depi nou Prezidan parti, Dr Herminie e tou bann lezot dimoun ki dan mon parti, ki'n fer ki nou'n kapab koman en lekip, reste ansanm e travay dan Lasanble Nasyonal.

ziska 148 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 Mon swete Mr Speaker, ki tou Seselwa kot ou ete, pe enport si ou Sesel oubyen aryer, ou pas en bon Nwel.

Ou akeyir lannen tou prosperite e tou lazwa.

2023 avek travay Mon osi swete ki nou a kontinyen fer tou sa ki nou fer avek respe.
E ki mon ferm konviksyon, i se ki nou kapab kontinyen lannen prosenn e nou pou dan en nouvo chamber ki pou'n ganny aranze, alors mon swet tou bann dimoun ki pou travay, bonn kontinyasyon ek sa travay.

E byensir Mr Speaker, mon pou swet ou e ou fanmir en Zwaye Noel e en bon erez Ane 2023, e ki Bondye i a kontinyen tou.

Mersi Mr beni nou Speaker.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

(APPLAUSE) MR SPEAKER Mersi Onorab.

Mon a pas laparol Bernard Onorab Georges.

HON BERNARD GEORGES Mersi Mr Speaker.


Si i reste okenn keksoz pou dir, mon ava sey sum-up, apre tou sa bann zoli parol ki'n ganny koze la apre midi.

Mr Speaker, premyerman, mon premye regar i lo bann dezas ki pe arive dan nou bann distrik, e mon distrik pa'n ganny eparnye dapre sa ki mon konpran.

Sa landrwa Les Mamelles ki apel ‘Dan Kan Plaisance,’ i anba delo.

Mare mont pa'n ede.
Mare mont pa'n ede.

Bokou lakaz in ganny flood, e parey tou bann Manm isi dan sa Lasanble, e parey tou bann dimoun deor ki enkyet, nou espere ki sekour ava vini vit.

E ki en serten normalite ava retourn dan lakaz sa bann dimoun, sirtou la ki nou pe antre dan festivite Nwel ek Lannen.

Mr Speaker, mon kontan ou parol pli boner e mon anvi zwenn ou.

Ozordi in en zour eksepsyonnel pou termin en lannen eksepsyonnel.

Nou'n byen debat lo en Lalwa.

Nou'n fer sorti nou diferan lopinyon, nou diferan konsern.
Tousala avek bi, anmenn meyer lezislater, koman prozedlwa pou nou pei.

E mon krwar si nou fikse sa koman nou lobzektif.

Si nou fikse la fason ki nou'n travay ozordi, e ki nou pe termin sa lannen, koman en fason pou komans lannen prosenn, nou Lasanble 149 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 pou dan tre, tre, tre bon lanmen.

Mon'n annan loner sa lannen diriz la mazorite dan sa Lasanble, e in en travay ki'n anmenn bokou lazwa e bokou lesperans pou nou pei.
La ki nou pe kit kanmarad e antre dan festivite Nwel ek Lannen, e repran travay dan plizyer semenn, Mr Speaker, mon ti a kontan demann nou tou isi dan sa Lasanble pou fer en refleksyon lo la fason ki nou'n travay sa lannen, e la fason ki nou ti a kontan travay lannen prosenn.

E zanmen bliye ki malgre nou diferans, e nou diferans i la.

Annefe, nou asiz 2 kote latab akoz nou diferan.


Me malgre nou diferans, nou tou nou dan en sel Lasanble, sel zanfan Sesel, dan en sel pei, anba en sel Nasyon, ek en sel paviyon.

Nou diferans pa devret diviz nou.

Nou diferans, o kontrer i devret ede pou ki nou kapab fer nou travay pli byen ki ler nou fer li nou tousel.

Mr Speaker, i annan bokou keksoz pou dir.

Letan i kont nou.

Les mwan apre midi la, remersye mon Caucus pou sipor ki zot in donn mwan.
Mon bann koleg lo lot kote latab pou travay ki zot in donn mwan.

Staff Lasanble Nasyonal pou lasistans ki zot in donn nou.

E ou menm Mr Speaker avek Deputy Speaker, pou zot gidans pandan sa lannen.

Tou bann Komite in travay eksepsyonnelman byen e mon krwar nou devret dir en mo spesyal pou Bills Committee avek Manm ki sorti lo tou lede kote travay latab, pou sa ekstraordiner, egzanpler ki zot in fer dan sa dernyen lannen.
Mr Speaker, anmezir ki i pe pran son retret, mon ti a kontan mwan osi, azout mon parol remersiman, kouraz e bonn sante pou Mr Hermitte.

en dimoun In ekstraordiner, eksepsyonnel.

Trankil dan son biro, me touzour la pou defann lentere Lasanble Nasyonal.

An menm tan mon ti a kontan remersye Konsey Minis.

Bann Minis ler zot in vin devan Lasanble pou zot travay, zot ler leklersisman in anmennen obviously, e Prezidan Larepiblik pou son gidans.
zot E avan mon fini Mr Speaker, permet mwan osi, azout en parol remersiman pou medya, ki san zot, nou pa ti pou ariv dan lakour tou dimoun, tou lazournen.

Nou en Lasanble ki annan en tre gran lavantaz, e sa se ki tou nou travay, tou bann parol ki nou dir isi.

Bann ki nou anvi 150 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 sa An dir e bann ki nou regrete ki nou’n dir, i ariv devan dan lakour tou dimoun.

E la nou krwar nou bezwen remersye medya travay pou eksepsyonnel ki zot fer.
konklizyon Mr Speaker, mon ti a kontan lo lapar mon personal assistant, Gerda, lo lapar mon DA, Ms Claudette Louise, e lo lapar mon constituency clerk, Ms Patina Moustache, swet ou Mr Speaker, tou bann koleg Lasanble Nasyonal, tou staff Lasanble e tou zabitan Les Mamelles, tou sa ki meyer pou sa sezon Nwel ek pou Lannen 2023.

Mersi bokou Mr Speaker.

(APPLAUSE) MR SPEAKER Mersi Onorab Georges.

La mon war mon'n fer keksoz difisil pou mon lekor, si mon ti'n koz premye, mon travay ti pou fasil.
La aprezan mon annan difikilte ki mannyer mon pou swiv tousala.

Me, en fason fasil se zis dir pou dir mon vreman apresye bann parol ki'n ganny dir, e mwan annan konplet sipor pou sa bann santiman ki'n ganny eksprimen anver tou bann size ki'n leve.

Donk, mersi bann Leaders pou zot parol.

Mon krwar zot in fer sa devwar pou wrap-up nou lannen dan detrwa mo pou en pti moman, tre byen.

E mon kontan ki nou'n kapab pran letan pou sa.

I ava reste mwan zis pou enn de pti repetisyon.


Mon vreman apresye travay ki Lasanble in kapab fer.

Mon krwar nou'n ranpli nou devwar koman en Legislature.

E mon krwar ler travay in ariv devan nou, nou'n fer li avek devosyon, e nou'n ranpli bann latas ki'n ganny met devan nou, e dan sa, mon krwar nou’n fer kontribisyon pou gouvernans nou pei, pou byennet nou sitwayen.

fer.
fer.

E la ki lannen pe fini i reste zis pou remersye dimoun pou zot par dan sa ki nou'n kapab Premyerman remersiman pou bann Manm zot menm, pou zot travay ki zot fer dan zot distrik e isi.

E pou anmenn zot kontribisyon dan travay Lasanble.

Mersi bokou osi pou Madanm Clerk, Madanm Deputy Clerk, bann zofisye ki'n swiv nou avek pasyans e devosyon tou sa letan, me osi deryer zot i annan tou nou staff ki'n travay vreman dir pou fer Lasanble kontinyen fonksyonnen.
E mon krwar nou pa war zot toultan, me nou konnen pou 151 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Friday 16th December 2022 dir zot toultan la deryer nou, zot vreman sa masin ki kontinyen fer Lasanble marse, e mon remersye zot pou zot travay, e zot devosyon anver Lasanble.

Mersi nou piblik ki'n angaze avek nou, e nou swete ki zot a kontinyen swiv nou fidelman e reste konsernen avek sa ki nou fer.

I en plezir pou swet tou dimoun, Zwaye Noel e Bonn Ane pou 2023.
E nou ekspekte i ava en lannen eksepsyonnel dan tou sans.

Mersi bokou e mon swet tou Manm Lasanble bon depar e fotespere zot fini lannen very joyful e zot komans lannen in high spirits.

Mersi bokou.

Bonswar.

(APPLAUSE) MR SPEAKER Lasanble i ava prezan adjourn ziska lannen prosenn lo dat e ler ki nou ava anonse.

Adjourn.

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