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Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 14th July, 2021 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY OF SEYCHELLES Wednesday 14th July, 2021 The Assembly met at 9am National Anthem Moment of Reflection Mr Speaker in the Chair MR SPEAKER Bonzour tou Manm Onorab.

Bonzour nou telespektater e oditer a lekout e byenveni pou nou travay Lasanble pou sa lazournen Merkredi le 14 Zilyet.

Mon pou termin mon Ruling lo labsans bann Manm dan Lasanble semenn pase.
Dan bomaten yer mon'n ganny 8 form sorti kot bann Manm Lopozisyon lo ki zot in donn zot rezon pou zot labsans Merkredi le 7 Zilyet.

Enn in sit rezon medikal, enn in dir i ti oule evit konfli ek Speaker, leres in dir rezon personnel.

Mon pa pou lev dout lo rezon ki bann Manm in donnen apre tou zot tou zot bann Zofisye zot piblik ki konn byen responsabilite poudir laverite.

Alor mon pe aksepte zot deklarasyon pou zot rezon ki mannyer zot in donnen.
Lezot rezon Sa enn ki’n dir rezon medikal mon pou aksepte, son rezon menm si sa i pa en sertifika medikal pou le senp rezon ki avek COVID, Lotorite Lasante i konseye ki si ou pa santi ou byen, ou reste se ou e ou pa neseserman al kot dokter.

Alor i posib sa Manm pa ti’n prevwar ki i bezwen en sertifika medikal.

pa zistifyab.

Zis pou dir rezon personnel i pa se leksplikasyon, i pa en rezon serye, e i pa valab pou sa sirkonstans.
lezot Alor sanksyon kont Manm anba National Members i Monuments Act pou aplike pou lezot Manm, parey mon ti'n prononse dan mon deklarasyon, apard sa enn ki'n sit rezon medikal.

Sa i mon Ruling.

Nou a prosede avek lezot biznes Lasanble.

Nou pou komans aprouvasyon Lasanble pou update 2 Terms of Reference Komite.

Byen nou a komanse e nou a avek Onorab Esparon, Deputy Chairperson House Committee pou prezant amannman lo of Reference House Committee.

Onorab Esparon.
Onorab Esparon.

komans Terms avek yer HON REGINA ESPARON Mersi Mr Speaker.

Bonzour tou dimoun ki a lekout.

Mr Speaker 1 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 14th July, 2021 House Committee pe demande ki Lasanble i aprouv Terms of Reference ki'n ganny revize pou agrandi manda Komite.

Mersi Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Tou bann Manm in ganny kopi sa Terms of Reference, e in ganny sirkile dan bann Caucus, e revizyon in ganny fer avek konsantman bann Manm Lasanble pou nou kapab aprouv li direkteman.
Mon a ganny en secondment pou Mosyon Onorab Zialor.

HON NADDY ZIALOR Bonzour Mr Speaker.

Bonzour tou bann Manm.

Mr Speaker mon segonn Mosyon pou lamannman Terms of Reference pou House Committee.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi Onorab.

Eski ou pou adres Lasanble lo la?

Onorab Pillay wi.

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Mersi Mr Speaker.

Mr Speaker sa Terms of Reference i en Terms of Reference ki mon familye avek.

Be selman malgre ki mon santi ki i annan travay ki nou'n fer lo sa Terms of Reference.
HON REGINA ESPARON Mr Speaker mover Mosyon pa ankor koze.

Eskize, wi prezan ki mon pe prezante mon ti pe esper Mosyon ganny segonde avan.

Mersi Mr Speaker.

Eskize Onorab Pillay.

House Committee in ganny met an plas pou ranplas Komite Reform e Modernizasyon ki ti la dan Lasanble presedan.

E son responsabilite se pou revwar, analize, fer lanket e propoz bann rekomandasyon lo bann size swivan.
Me avek bi pou pa anvair oubyen encroach parey Angle ti pou dir lo Standing Order e lo National Assembly Privileges and Immunity Act.

Pou revwar Polisi zeneral lo konportman bann Manm e lo size konfli lentere ki kapab, ki kapab afekte zimaz e repitasyon nou Lasanble kot sa pa enkli okenn konsiderasyon ouswa zimaz pou bann dan bann ka endividyel.

Revwar drwa e privilez bann Manm.

Regard dan byennet bann Manm, e sa i enkli bann problenm ou defi ki dan Lezislatif e Polisi ozordi.
Revwar servis e fasilite pou bann Manm envite e osi bann viziter e lezot ki vin kot nou Lasanble.

Komite i osi annan sa manda pou revwar striktir e lorganizasyon Lasanble Nasyonal.

2 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 14th July, 2021 pe dan pou Lartik E finalman revwar prosedir zeneral ek lezot aktivite ki pa relye avek biznes Lasanble dan Chamber, ki vedir landrwa kot nou fer asize deliberasyon.

Akoz sa i ganny gide par Standing Order ki en lot Komite avek son prop TOR.
Mr Speaker sa Komite i devret annan 7 Manm ki ganny apwente 4(2) konstitisyon.

E son Chairman i devret ganny elekte parmi son bann Manm dapre Lalwa 5 lareg ek prosedir komite Lasanble Nasyonal, ki nou li koman Rules and konn Procedures of the National Assembly.

i devret zwenn Komite omwen en fwa par mwan oubyen otan ki i annan sa nesesite.

Komite ganny apwente pou menm dirasyon letan ek Lasanble Nasyonal savedir setyenm dirasyon Lasanble Nasyonal.
Clerk ek Depite Lasanble Nasyonal i devret servi koman sekreter House Committee e osi kapab nonm okenn lezot Manm staff koman asistan sekreter.

Mr Speaker sa i konteni sa travay Terms of Reference House Committee ki mon oule met devan sa Lasanble pou aprouvasyon.

Mersi.

i devret MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Onorab Pillay ou kapab adres Lasanble prezan.

an relasyon HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Mersi Mr Speaker.

Mr Speaker parey mon'n dir sa Terms of Reference i en Terms of Reference ki mon familye avek.
E ki lo sa versyon ki la i annan bokou sanzman.

Me selman apre ki mon'n konsider an detay National Assembly Members Privileges and Immunities Act i anmenn mwan pou fer en refleksyon sirtou ek konstitisyon e sirtou avek sa size konpozisyon sa House Committee.

Sa refleksyon i baze lo lefe ki House Committee i kapab rapidman dan en Lasanble kot i dinamik, rapidman eventually i bezwen pran rol en Ethics Committee.
E si sa i arive baze lo lafason son ki nou pe koz konpozisyon, i pou vin dan en fason sa konpozisyon ki konstitisyon i set out, i set li out dan en fason partizan akoz i baze lo lafors politik dan Lasanble Nasyonal.

E pour mwan sa i en konsiderasyon ekstrememan enportan, prenon kont bann levennman resan ki'n pase mon anti ki House Committee ti partizan akoz lo 3 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 14th July, 2021 si sa devret enn bann Committee ki i vin en son konpozisyon konpozisyon pli ouver.
E oule Lasanble reflekte Nasyonal as a whole e non, pa lapros partizan, malgre ki Konstitisyon i pa dan son lespri i pa sa son lentansyon.

Me pou ki se inevitableman arive.

E mon krwar la pou mwan kot mon retain e mon kontinyen annan en issue vizavi sa TOR.

Akoz regard ler mon'n National Assembly Members Privileges and Immunities Act en kantite pouvwar i ganny mete dan lanmen Speaker Lasanble Nasyonal.
En kantite pouvwar, e menm Restraining Orders i met en kantite pouvwar dan lanmen Speaker Lasanble Nasyonal.

Rightly so, akoz Speaker i bezwen adjudicate Lasanble e i bezwen osi la pou li Chair sesyon Lasanble e sesyon Lasanble i pa en sesyon fasil pou Chair.

Akoz ou annan diferan akter e parfwa politik i devolve dan bann diskisyon e dan bann deba ki antyerman fasil pou dil avek.
E se sa ki fer mon krwar poudir menm son konpozisyon sa House Committee i bezwen enn ki nou set li out, si nou oule vreman bouz devan.

Akoz mon dir sa Mr Speaker akoz nou Lasanble in entrodwir en sistenm kot nou annan bann Whips.

Nou annan en Chief Whip lo kote LDS e nou annan en Chief Whip lo kote United Seychelles.

Si nou follow sa template ki Konstitisyon in prevwar, nou pou nominate bann Manm pou zot ranpli sa Komite, dan en fason normal.

Mwan mon ti a kontan ki nou raise sa bar.


Donn en lenportans sa Komite byensir lefe ki i apel House Committee Mr Speaker li menm ki Chair, son Terms of Reference i bezwen fer referans ki le 2 Whips i bezwen form par sa Komite.

Akoz le 2 Whips i annan en rol pou mentenir disiplin parmi zot bann Manm.
E Lasanble Nasyonal i pran en desizyon pou Ethics Committee through the House Committee, i ava annan le 2 dimoun ki sipoze currently pe dil avek etik an sa ki konsern bann Manm, pou kapab donn zot input direk, san ki i ava bezwen ganny fer atraver en third party atraver en lot Manm.

E mwan mon krwar ki sa i en keksoz ki nou bezwen mazinen.
Me si mon retourn lo sa pwen the composition of sa si demen konpoz en 4 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 14th July, 2021 Komite, mwan mon retenir ki lapros ki nou bezwen pran, se en lapros pou donn sa Komite lavi si oule, dan en en lanvironnman kot sa Komite i ganny koman konsidere enparsyal.
Akoz malgre mon'n regard sa premye fraz dan sa TOR e mwan menm mon mon'n grapple avek, i reste lefe ki nou bezwen ariv a sa pwen kot sa Komite i ganny divorse – i ganny divolve from lezot travay partizan ki lezot Komite fer dan i bezwen Lasanble.

E mon santi ki sa i en pwen ki en portan pou nou konsidere.

Prezan ki anmenn mwan lo mon lot pwen an sa ki konsern en Komite edik Lasanble.
Mon koz lo en Komite Etik akoz mon pa pe kestyonn Ruling ki ou'n donnen bomaten e bomaten ou’n donn en Ruling an piblik ki baze lo presedans, whilst ki mwan mon kapab demann judicial review dan en Ruling.

Mon lanmen i anmare vizavi Zidisyer akoz in deza annan en vizavi prononsman Ruling Lasanble Nasyonal ki'n ganny fer par en Lakour an relasyon ek en Speaker avan ou.
E se pour sa rezon ki ler nou pou Manm Lasanble nou pe koz lo en Komite Etik, sa Komite Etik ki napa pou fer zis avek sa Speaker lakour, ki nou apel disruption dan Lasanble.

E mwan lo mon kote Mr Speaker mon bezwen dir ki sa ki anmenn mon pou koz lo en Komite Etik an relasyon ek nou deba lo en House Committee, i baze lo la fason ki mon war par egzanp raportaz ki SBC in donnen kot in koz lo dezord, e koneksyon ki dezord i annan pou fer avek zis 2 Manm lo mon kote latab.

E 2 Manm lo nou kote latab.


E lafason ki sa pe ganny portrait.

E mon santi poudir si nou ti annan en fason pou etablir en Komite Etik, sa ti pou ed nou pou nou dil ek kalite sityasyon ki kapab arise dan Lasanble, san ki nou afekte Lotorite ki Speaker i annan, akoz residually toultan Speaker pou annan sa Lotorite.
So, mon konsiderasyon ki mon pe met devan se ki, eski Lasanble i pare to be bold enough pou nou regard dan konpozisyon House Committee e pou nou fer en House Committee vin en Komite ki non partizan?

Mon'n vwar sa sistenm servi lezot Lanmerik, ziridiksyon ki pran en lapros vizavi en Ethics Committee ki neutral.

Kot bann drwa en Lasanble Manm ki annan plis i leksperyans dan Lasanble annan en i 5 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 14th July, 2021 mon bann dimoun ki sit lo sa Ethics Committee.
Pa dan en fason ki en Komite ki ganny en allowance non, me i en Komite ki ganny formen pou li dil ek en sityasyon.

Me si nou oule fer House Committee annan sa manda, then i pou bezwen vin sa.

santi Akoz inevitableman nou pou enlarge manda en House Committee e ler nou pou fer li nou pou still pri avek konpozisyon sa Komite baze lo Konstitisyon.

E pou mwan mon pe prevwar, mon pe prevwar sa si oule sa konfli ki kapab annan dan nou lentansyon e sa ki kapab arive.
So sa ki mon anvi met devan Lasanble ozordi, e ki mon krwar i pou neseser ki going forward nou House Committee, akoz i annan en rol enportan.

Nou'n sorti from en Reform and Modernization Committee pou annan sa.

Me selman malerezman mon santi poudir an sa ki konsern konpozisyon, i annan keksoz ki nou kapab fer lavantaz pou nou improve li.
konklizyon Mr an E Speaker, ler mon ti lo Standing Orders Committee e nou ti pe travay lo Standing Orders, nou ti ganny en gran deba lo ki rol annan en lo napa en House Committee, ki model ki nou pou servi.

E i tonm byen ki dan sa Lasanble ki la prezan ki nou pe met lavyann lo sa leskelet ki'n ganny kree anba Standing Orders.

E ankor lezot Lasanble konsekaman pou bezwen met ankor la pou lavyann kontinyen improve lo la.

Akoz la i form parti Standing Orders.


I en Komite ki ganny kree atraver Standing Orders.

I pa en si oule en ad hoc Committee.

I pa en Sessional en ki Committee konfigirasyon - si oule mon pou dir ilegal - akoz Standing Orders i en morso i en ekstansyon Konstitisyon.

So se sa ki pe anmenn mwan pou annan serten konsern.

Vwala Mr Speaker kot mon pe regard sa TOR House Committee ozordi.
E mwan ava kontan ki Lasanble i ganny en deba serye, pou nou kapab regarde ki mannyer koman nou, Parlmanter ozordi, nou koz lo kwa ki nou kapab fer pou nou improve nou Parlman.

Akoz nou pe laniverser enportan tre byento.

E i ava donn bann Manm osi loportinite pou nou koz lo en lot size apard ki nou bann size labitid, kot nou ava annan bann selebre en 6 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 14th July, 2021 enteraksyon politik lo la.

Mersi Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER Mersi Onorab Pillay.


Avan mon donn laparol Onorab Georges ki oule adres nou o sa size, permet mwan pran laparol koman Chairman House Committee, e osi koman dimoun ki'n lead revizyon sa Terms of Reference, e ki'n kominik avek tou lede kote Manm Lasanble, lo zot approval pou sa Terms of Reference.

Lo sa premye size ki Onorab Pillay in leve, e sa se size ki sa Committee e son relasyon avek bann lezot Lalwa.
Mon krwar Terms of Reference nou'n reviz li poudir ki i pa pou encroach lo okenn Lalwa National Assembly Immunities and Powers Act oubyen lo Standing Orders.

E osi ki sa Lasanble, sa Komite i pa pou konsider bann ka endividyel, ki sa i ganny dil anba lezot lezot prosedir, regilasyon Lasanble.

Sa i enn.

Lo kestyon konpozisyon ki Onorab Pillay ti deza leve avan, nou lefe ki konpozisyon i ganny deside par le 2 kote lasal.
Savedir si Lopozisyon i oule met son Chief Whip lo sa Komite i kapab Si kote Gouvernman i oule met son ti propoze ki Privileges fer li.

Chief Whip oubyen en lot Manm i kapab fer li.

So sa i deza dan nou refleksyon i deza ganny adrese.

E lo dernyen pwen si i devret vin en Ethics Committee mon i en kestyon ki krwar sa Lasanble i kapab propoze e debat lo la a lavenir, si i bezwen sanz ankor.

Mersi.

Onorab Georges mon a pas ou laparol prezan.

fer ou'n nou.

Mr HON BERNARD GEORGES Mersi Mr Speaker.


Bonzour Mr Speaker.

Bonzour tou bann manm e tou bann dimoun ki pe Speaker swiv adres efektivman plizoumwen bann pwen ki mon ti anvi fer resorti.

Fodre nou regard en pti pe lespri deryer House Committee.
E parey Onorab Leader sorti in Lopozisyon efektivman, sete Standing Orders Committee dan sizyenm Lasanble ki ti fer propozisyon pou fer Standing Orders e pou ranplas en Komite ki ti apel and Modernisation Reform Committee, ki ti annan koman son lobzektif primordyal regard en pe la fason ki nou pou reform Lasanble e moderniz li.
E etal sa dan en pli gran lanpler e donn sa Komite rol pou regard, non selman striktir Lasanble li menm, e la fason 7 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 14th July, 2021 ladan don par egzanp sa Chamber i kapab ganny amelyore dan son setting out.

Oubyen si nou devret annan bann annex ki ganny fer pour ki tou Manm i annan en biro.

Oubyen si nou devret annan en Members Lounge en pe pli gran avek fasilite catering.

Tousala se bann keksoz fizik ki sa House Committee ti pou regard lo en nivo bipartizan.
E parey son non i dir nou bezwen en Komite ki pou regard lentere the House.

Setadir nou tou isi san ki sa fer atraver bann i ganny atraver oubyen Leaders Sekretarya selman.

Mon krwar lide deryer, lespri deryer sa House Committee se ki i pou annan en, i pou reprezant bann Manm vizavi Sekretarya e vizavi lezot lenstans direksyon Lasanble.

Mon krwar sete sa lespri.

E dan sa lespri parey ou'n dir Mr Speaker, nou kapab fer en kantite keksoz.
Nou kapab regard bann fizik Lasanble, me nou bezwen osi regard welfare bann Manm.

E se sa House Committee ki pou deside lo bann rezon etik, oubyen lo bann lezot rezon si nou okenn lamannman avek par egzanp, The National Assembly Powers striktir devret fer rol oubyen Privileges and Immunities Act ki deza ase vye.

Si nou devret fer amannman konstitisyonnel dan Lasanble e propoz sa.
Si nou devret fer okenn amannman pa avek Standing Orders, akoz Standing Orders i annan son Komite ki ganny set-up par konstitisyon li menm.

Me dan bann lezot par egzanp National Assembly Monuments Act.

Si en zour nou pou bezwen saler bann Manm revwar Lasanble, bann allowance ki nou gannyen, se House Committee ki pou inisye sa refleksyon e anmenn sa devan bann Lotorite konsernen ek devan house li menm pou pran en rezolisyon.

Mon krwar sete sa lespri deryer sa House Committee.
E efektivman parey ou'n dir si nou pou osi annan en vole etik, se House Committee ki ava fer sa propozisyon.

Donk mon krwar ki lespri ti enn tre bon lespri, e la fason ki Terms of Reference in ganny propoze.
E la mon ava dir Mr Speaker ki avan ki sa Terms of Reference in vin devan Lasanble, in vin devan nou de Caucus e nou'n ganny sak Caucus in ganny letan;- in fact, bokou letan pou nou regarde ki mannyer nou devret modifye sa Terms of Reference e fer li vin en keksoz 8 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 14th July, 2021 ki annan Bipartisan Agreement lo la avan ki i vin ozordi devan nou pou adopte.
Donk mon war mwan en pti pe sirpri ki Onorab Leader Lopozisyon ki li menm li in fer propozisyon ase enportan, e ki'n ganny adopte dan sa Terms of Reference, i vini ozordi e i fer detrwa deklarasyon.

Ki ava kekfwa les dimoun mazinen ki in ganny taken by surprise by sa Terms of Reference ki devan nou ozordi ki pa leka ditou.

E si mon tronpe dan lafason lentervansyon ki mon vwar Leader Lopozisyon, mon ava demann li eskiz mwan, me se sa en pti pe lespri ki mon vwar ozordi.
E reaksyon mon bann Manm an mezir i ti pe koze, i sa anmenn mwan direksyon.

Akoz we’re taken a little bit by surprise.

Me anyway House Committee i pa pou nou, e i pa pou zot.

I en keksoz ki pou nou tou.

E mon krwar nou devret apros li dan sa direksyon.

Nou bezwen annan bann Terms of Reference ki tou lede kote i kapab viv avek.

Otherwise it’s not going to work.

E son lobzektif pa pou ganny attend.

Alor mon swe bomaten, akoz Leader Lopozisyon in fer kantmenm serten sizesyon ki mon krwar i valab.
E enn bann sizesyon ki in fer e mon konnen dan akoz devret konpran revwar, sa mon napa neseserman sipor mon Caucus lo la.

Me mon krwar ki i en bon sizesyon e ki se nou konpozisyon House Committee.

swe Mon Lopozisyon pou zot pli byen reprezante sa House lo son Committee, lentansyon se ki i pou vin en Komite of the House.

E sa i pa en keksoz ki nou kapab fer la ozordi akoz sa in fini ganny fer, me the House Committee itself i kapab revwar son konpozisyon e refer propozisyon devan Lasanble.
E Lasanble i toutafe ouver pou egzanp in okenn sizesyon ki ava fer sa Komite pli balanse dan son konpozisyon ek dan son travay.

Alor Mr Speaker avek sa detrwa mo, mwan mon krwar se ki lespri deryer sa House Committee se ki i pa pou travay dan en fason partizan.

Me i pou travay pou benefis e byennet Lasanble as a whole dan son striktir ek dan welfare son bann Manm.
Including regard nou mwan akoz mon en Manm mwan osi, gard nou lo en ki viv pou fer sir ki ethically nou azir dan lentere nou Lasanble, e pou benefis sa nasyon ki nou ganny elekte pou deservi.

9 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 14th July, 2021 Alor avek sa detrwa mo Mr Speaker, avek sa detrwa parol mon ti ava kontan demann avek Lasanble annou pa ozordi stumble lo premye mars peron ki nou pran.

Annou aksepte ki sa Terms of Reference mannyer i ete i meyer keksoz ki nou kapab fer a sa moman.
E si fodre i ganny modifye i ava ganny modifye an alan.

Annou aksepte bann Terms of Reference mannyer i ete la.

E les House Committee dan son premye deliberasyon anba ou Chair pran onboard sa bann keksoz ki'n ganny dir ozordi.

E vwar si i annan okenn nesesite pou konpozisyon oubyen son Terms of Reference forward.

Mersi Mr going Speaker.

revwar MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Onorab Pillay wi.

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Mersi Mr Speaker.


Mr Speaker sa i en deba parlmanter e mon ti a kontan ou permet mwan zis en pti klarifikasyon san ki nou al dan okenn polemic.

MR SPEAKER Wi nou a kapab konklir selman?

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY se Mersi Mr Speaker.

Mon ti a kontan zis reasir Leader Zafer Gouvernman ki mon lentansyon sete pa pou montre ki mon'n ganny sirpriz, akoz sa pou mal, akoz nou'n travay lo plizyer pwen.

Be mon'n dir poudir i familye ek mwan, akoz mon'n travay lo la.
Me i annan en pwen kontansyon ki pou mwan mon ti'n met devan e ki set-up en tansyon, so mon pa oule ki nou ganny sa mal.

Nou pa pou stumble la nou.

Nou pou still ganny en deba.

Nou pou en still diskisyon e i pou still annan en desizyon ki pou ganny pran.

Mon pa krwar nou devret vwar li koman nou pe stumble nou bezwen vwar li koman nou'n ariv e a en pwen, nou'n nobou ganny serten keksoz.
Me i pou annan sakenn antre nou ki pou annan serten (san) - pa santiman me serten persepsyon ki nou pou bezwen drive towards sa persepsyon.

E se sa mon krwar ki nou bezwen konpran.

Mersi.

ganny MR SPEAKER Mersi Onorab Pillay.

Koman Chairman House Committee, les mwan zis dir ki Komite i Komite Manm Lasanble.
Alor i bezwen reste li ouver pou okenn sizesyon, okenn propozisyon ki 10 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 14th July, 2021 Manm i anvi met devan li e i bezwen konsider sa an bonn, in good faith toultan.

Mersi bokou.

Nou a kapab prezan pas lo vot pou Terms of Reference House Committee.

Wi, Right of Reply pou mover Mosyon.

ki HON REGINA ESPARON Mersi Mr Speaker.


Mr Speaker mwan mon napa gran zafer pou dir, me selman sa pwen kontansyon Leader Lopozisyon pe met devan, petet letan nou ava zwenn pou nou miting nou ava pran li an konsiderasyon.

E nou bezwen osi remarke ki dan bann seleksyon Manm ki sorti lo kote kot Lopozisyon, i deza annan zot Chief Whip lo sa Komite.

Petet si zot, zot bezwen revwar konpozisyon zot bann Manm pou zot, zot kapab fer li.
Me selman an menm tan osi i dan, letan nou pe aprouv sa TOR si i annan nesesite asset en pwen pou nou fer en Extended House Committee, petet sa osi i devret annan, nou kapab ganny sa posibilite kot plis Manm i kapab ganny envite kot LOTO osi i kapab ganny envite pou vin lo sa Komite.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi Madam Deputy.

Byen prezan mon ava apel pou vot lo Terms of Reference House in ganny Committee koman propoze.

Bann ki an faver lev lanmen silvouple?

Mersi.

Okenn Manm ki kont?

Mersi Madanm Clerk.


Bon lo kestyon approval of Revised Terms of Reference of House Committee 21 Manm in vot pour, 0 kont e 9 abstansyon.

Alor sa Mosyon Terms of Reference in aprouve par Lasanble.

osi Nou konsiderasyon pou Komite IAC.

Avan nou antre lo la, eski mon kapab demande avek Chairman si sa Revised Terms of Reference in ganny sirkile avek bann diferan Manm lo 2 kote e si zot in ganny response lo la?

Chairman pou nou kapab adres nou lo la?


Savedir mon zis anvi fer sir ki in clear the Caucuses pou nou pran li.

annan HON WAVEN WILLIAM Bonzour Mr Speaker.

Bonzour tou dimoun ki a lekout.

Mr Speaker Komite Zafer Etranzer pe demande ki sa Lasanble i aprouv referans travay ki’n ganny revize pou agrandi manda sa Komite.

So I beg to move.

MR SPEAKER 11 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 14th July, 2021 Mersi.

Lo kestyon.

HON WAVEN WILLIAM Lo kestyon ki ou'n demande Mr Speaker mon ava reponn.
Se ki wi Terms of Reference in ganny lede parti.

sirkile avek tou Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Tre byen.

Bon nou a pran secondment.

Wi Onorab Woodcock?

HON WAVEL WOODCOCK Mosyon segonde Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Byen, e avek sa ou kapab fer ou prezantasyon Onorab William.

HON WAVEN WILLIAM Mersi Mr Speaker.

Avan mon fer mon prezantasyon mon ti a kontan remersi ou pou ou gidans avek lasazes avek pridans, atraver ki ou'n donn ou bann Ruling vizavi bann deroulman ki'n pase dan Lasanble resaman.
E mon swet ou pou kontinyen sa bon travay.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Wi.

Onorab William mon ti a kontan ki ou prosed lo ou size.

Annou zis pa retourn lo biznes ki nou'n fini dil avek.

Mersi.

HON WAVEN WILLIAM Mr Speaker mon pa pe – mon- MR SPEAKER Zis kontinyen silvouple.

HON WAVEN WILLIAM Wi Mr Speaker.

Me selman- MR SPEAKER Pa li pli William.

Zis kontinyen.

fer long Onorab HON WAVEN WILLIAM Wi Mr Speaker.

I annan, i annan privilez, mersi.


Mr Speaker mon annan gran plezir pou prezant Mosyon pou nouvo referans travay Komite Zafer Etranzer ki'n ganny amande.

Rezondet par deryer sa lamannman se pou enkli size tourizm ki en nouvo Departman ki'n ganny entegre ek Minister Zafer Etranzer en konponan kle dan kreasyon larises pei.

Komite Zafer Etranzer ki konpri Manm le 2 parti politik setyenm Lasanble Nasyonal.

Nou'n zwenn e pas an revi lo vye referans travay Komite Zafer Etranzer.
Konzwentman nou'n tonm dakor pou fer sa lamannman, travay pou permet sa rol egzamin e sirveyans lo Polisi, plan e stratezi travay, lo en baz e ki 12 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 14th July, 2021 en reste konpreansiv sa Minister.

Ki oparavan ti zis Minister Zafer Etranzer, me ki anba nouvo gouvernans i prezan Minister Zafer Etranzer avek Tourizm.

Speaker Mr Lendistri pilye pou Tourizm enportan dan lekonomi Sesel, menm si a l aktyel i en serten lakoz pandemik COVID-19.
E Sesel i lo Lalis Rouz serten nou bann vye destinasyon.

Sak tourizm ki vizit Sesel endirekteman i vin en parti prenon dan sa servis diplomatik e marketing lo en plan rezyonal e enternasyonal pou Sesel koman destinasyon touristik.

Manifesto LDS in met bokou lanfaz lo sa demars pou donn en nouvo souf sa lendistri, sirtou dan laspe valer azoute e green tourism.
Sa amannman i pe asire ki Lasanble Nasyonal atraver komite Zafer Etranzer, i reste azour ek sanzman ek realite devlopman dan sa Minister, nouvo portfolyo.

Alor nouvo referans travay i comme swivan; Egzamin e evalye Polisi ek Zafer stratezi Departman Etranzer e tourizm Larepiblik Sesel, Evalye e raport ek Lasanble Nasyonal e loperasyon sa 2 Departman e lo manda son ek partenarya Trete sinyen lezot size relye ek zafer etranzer ek gouvernans global.
Sirvey depans bidzeter sa 2 Departman; Egzamin e evalye bann Protokol, Lagreman, e ki Konvansyon Gouvernman e i Lasanble presedan in ratifye ouswa lezot ki pou ganny ratifye de nouvo; Raport ek Lasanble lo okenn lezot rekomandasyon ouswa konsern ki Komite i vwar apropriye e neseser; relasyon Mentenir partenarya e etablir nouvo relasyon ek parlmanter lorganizasyon etranzer ki relevan lo en plan bilateral, ouswa miltilateral.
An pasan Mr Speaker pou lenformasyon piblik i bon note ler aktyel Lasanble ki a Nasyonal serten o nivo SADC, partenarya COMESA, African Parliament, Afrique, Caraibes e Pacific, Afrique, Caraibes, Pacific, e Linyon Eropeen.

Parlman Linyon Enter- Parlmanter, La Francophonie.

Lasanble Nasyonal a ler aktyel atraver Komite Zafer Etranzer pe inisye demars pou relans lasosyasyon Parlmanter Komisyon Losean Endyen.
i annan Parlman rezyonal Pan konzwent 13 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 14th July, 2021 Dan pipeline parey nou dir i annan plizyer vye e nouvo demann pou bann langazman bilateral, avek bann Parlman diferan pei.

Pou konklir Mr Speaker mon oule remersye ou Mr Speaker, Clerk, Depite Clerk, Sekretarya Lasanble pou zot sipor e osi mon remersi tou bann Manm IAC lo tou lede kote latab pou zot langazman.

Mersi Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER Mersi Onorab.

Onorab William mon krwar ou kapab reste laba menm.


Akoz mon krwar nou a pran, Onorab Woodcock in lev lanmen.

Wi ou kapab adres lo sa Mosyon.

Me selman sa osi i en Mosyon ki si in sirkil ant bann Caucus, mon krwar bann pwen in deza ganny pas lo la e rezourd.

Onorab Woodcock.

HON WAVEL WOODCOCK Mersi Mr Speaker.

Bonzour tou Manm e tou dimoun a lekout.

zafer Mr Speaker Komite Etranzer pe demann Lasanble pou aprouv Terms of Reference sa Komite ki'n ganny revize pou agrandi manda sa Komite (IAC).
E Komite IAC i en Komite ki vreman aktiv e i en Komite ki ase, ki rankontre regilyerman.

Annefe preski tou le semenn rankontre, menm nou pe parfwa plis ki en fwa dan en semenn.

E anba vye Terms of Reference IAC, son manda ti kouver zis Foreign Affairs.

Nou ti pe travay avek Foreign Affairs ek lezot Departman, Lazans Gouvernman e osi bann non- lo governmental organization bann zafer enternasyonal.
E ti nou rol pou etablir ek bann diferan relasyon Parlman Enternasyonal, Lanbasad e lezot stakeholders dan Zafer Etranzer.

E IAC nou ti annan en rol primordyal kot nou ti review e lagreman assess sa bann enternasyonal, e bilateral e miltilateral parey Onorab William in mansyonnen.

Bann Protokol, bann Lagreman, bann Konvansyon, bann Treaties avan ki i vin devan Lasanble pou ratifikasyon.

E apre IAC i fer rapor e nou rekomandasyon Lasanble IAC setyenm Lasanble parey mon’n dir, in vreman aktiv.
E nou'n travay lo plizyer Protokol, Konvansyon e Lagreman ki enkli zisteman detrwa ki mon ava mansyonnen; SADC Protocol Against (AfCTA), African Corruption, Continental Featured Area, the Protocol Optional avek Nasyonal.

to 14 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 14th July, 2021 lo Convention of the Right of a Child, a Commission procedures e lezot Konvansyon, Treaties e lagreman ankor.

E IAC ti osi annan sa rol enportan pou review e assess foreign policies.
Pou bann annan en oversight lo manda e loperasyon Foreign Affairs.

Pou osi annan oversight lo Bidze ki Lasanble i aprouve pou donn Foreign Affairs.

Nou annan sa zesyon Bidze oversight Foreign Affairs.

E ozordi atraver sa Mosyon nou pe demann Lasanble pou agrandi manda sa Komite, agrandi manda sa Komite zafer Etranzer, pou osi enkli sekter tourism.
Pour ki IAC i osi kapab annan oversight lo Departman Tourism e lo sa Sekter Tourism tou bann Departman, Lazans ki tonm anba Sekter Tourism e Departman Tourism.

E osi pour ki sa Komite i kapab review e assess bann Polisi ki annan pou fer avek Gouvernman, stratezi Gouvernman an relasyon avek sa sekter.

Pour ki nou osi parey nou lo Foreign annan oversight lepase ki'n osi Affairs dan kapab annan oversight lo manda, loperasyon ek Bidze Departman Tourism.
e ganny E nou to nou konnen nou'n eksperyans sa, sekter tourism in for avek tape pandemik COVID-19.

E at one point ti annan en distrik ti'n ater net, ziska ki Gouvernman ti pran desizyon pou re ouver nou lafrontyer, nou border le 25 Mars.

E vi ki ozordi Departman Tourism ek Foreign Affairs i tonm anba menm Minister, i enportan pou IAC expand nou manda, pou osi kouver tourism.

Pou assess e review bann sa Minister.


nouvo Polisi Tourism i annan i annan sa laspe enternasyonal an term marketing e negosyasyon, pou Sesel pers dan bann nouvo marse aletranze.

i osi annan bann E negosyasyon avek bann pei, parey nou'n war resaman negosyasyon avek bann lezot pei, pour ki zot airline i vin Sesel.
E sa i annan sa laspe etranzer osi avek sa, ki sanmenm sa ki lenportans ki ozordi IAC osi i bezwen annan en rol, pou nou annan sa oversight en pti pe pli aprofondir lo sa Minister osi enkli sa laspe tourism.

e E i primordyal pou relans sa lendistri e atrakte kliyan sorti dan lezot pei.
Zisteman marse Lerop, plizyer bann pei dan enportan osi 15 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 14th July, 2021 parey marse Lerop ti'n fermen bann tradisyonnel kot nou'n pei lamazorite nou bann ganny France La kliyan Langleter, L’Almanny.

E nou'n war kot bann nouvo in ouver pou Sesel.

marse Nou'n war Izrael, nou'n war UAE, bann expat ki sorti dan bann diferan pei ki pe travay UAE pe vin Sesel, La Russie in ogmant, zot bann kliyan pe vin, plis Russian pe vin dan nou pei, Austria osi in ouver.
E i enportan pou nou annan sa relasyon avek sa bann pei bilateral avek plizyer sa bann pei.

E nou'n vwar zisteman zefor ki Prezidan e Minister of Foreign Affairs in fer pou al dan sa bann pei pou ankouraz bann relasyon enportan sirtou bann relasyon bilateral avek sa bann pei.

E nou annan lespwar ki marse Lerop pou repran, pou re ouver byento ki kapab ede pou re dinamiz nou lekonomi an menm lanfaz ki Gouvernman i osi met lanfaz lo bann lezot sekter enportan.
E i enportan ki Lasanble i osi zwe en rol pou ed sa lendistri, sa Lendistri Tourism.

E aport en soutyen sipor Gouvernman pou ede relans sa sekter, e anmenn reveni dan nou pei.

Nou pa kapab les COVID kit nou pei ater, nou tan ki ki pou touristik, bezwen releve.

E zisteman Mr Speaker ozordi zil ki pe ganny plis afekte avek sa pandemi se preski depan ki Praslin, antyerman lo tourism.
E bann nou'n war restriksyon ki ti'n ganny enpoze lo Praslin apre ki i ti'n lans a surge lo zil kot Me, Zen ti'n ariv 335 ka ki Lasante Piblik ti pran bann desizyon letablisman lotel, guest house, pa annan drwa pran kliyan sorti Mahe.

E sa in afekte Praslin bokou.

E bokou biznes in soufer en kantite e ler ou pa pe allow bann letablisman touristik pou pran ban kliyan sorti Mahe, e lezot biznes osi i ganny afekte, taksi restoran, e lezot bann biznes dan sa sekter.
Me nou kontan Mr Speaker ki dernyerman nou'n war poudir dapre dernyen rapor Minister Lasante ki apartir le 12 Zilyet nou'n war ki ka in desann in ariv 89 ka COVID lo Praslin.

E petet avek sa, en revizyon byento i kapab ganny fer, kot nou kapab re ouver nou zil osi Praslin, kot nou kapab relans nou lekonomi tourism lo Praslin sirtou kot i konsern domestic tourism.
E tousala i bann keksoz parey mon dir i enportan ki nou Komite osi i annan oversight lo 16 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 14th July, 2021 koman lendistri pe lafason, ki sa deroule lo pei.

IAC i annan en rol pou zwe pou osi donn en soutyen tou bann stakeholders dan sa sekter.

Nou osi annan en rol en reprezantatif Lasanble e menm o nivo Komite.

Nou bezwen angaze e ekout tou kous nou popilasyon, annan sight lo bann Departman enportan dan tourism.

E parey mon dir Foreign Affairs Mr Speaker.


E se pour sa rezon ki sa mon lamannman ki devan sa Lasanble ozordi, i pou enn ki enportan, e i pou enn ki mon pou donn mon sipor.

Avek sa 2 mo Mr Speaker mon dir ou mersi.

poudir santi pe refleksyon lo responsabilite en tel Komite dan Parlman, Mr Speaker mon santi ki i annan serten overlapping ki mon pe vwar pe arive dan sa TOR.

ladministrasyon Premyerman Mr Speaker mon konpran konpozisyon nouvo ki mannyer pe fonksyonnen avek bann merger ki'n arive.
Departman Zafer Enternasyonal in merge avek Tourism e mon santi ki malgre i pe ganny zere e administre par en sel Minis, mon vwar ki nou'n enkli li dan sa TOR.

Apre ki mon'n fer serten refleksyon nou pou bezwen serten distenksyon, annan refleksyon lo la mon krwar pou nou kapab distenge ki zistans nou pou met lipye kot i konsern sa bout tourism.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Onorab William mon annan 3 Manm ki'n demann laparol.

So mon krwar ou pou pli konfortab asize, i kapab pran nou en pe plis letan.
Mon a pran Onorab Aglae.

HON EGBERT AGLAE Mersi Mr Speaker.

Bonzour tou Manm Onorab e tou dimoun a lekout.

Mr speaker mon osi mon form parti sa Komite International Affairs.

Apre ki mon'n fer en pe resers mwan menm mon, e en i zwe Akoz ler mon'n get bann diferan Parlman, sirtou atraver International Parliamentary Union, rol ki en International i Affairs Committee plizoumwen relye avek tou bann konponan enternasyonal ki annan.
Par egzanp kot bann desizyon ki Gouvernman i pran pou li kapab angaz li ver okenn trete, ver okenn konvansyon, ver lagreman okenn enternasyonal.

E la sa bout kot lezislater ki form parti en International 17 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 14th July, 2021 zwe son Affairs Committee i war li i kapab rol, vini, kestyonnen.

I kapab anmenn kestyon dan Lasanble osi.


Ouswa si i annan bann ki pou fer avek serten lamannman avek Lalwa ki pou nesesite, baze bann derivasyon ki'n sorti avek sa bann konponan enternasyonal.

Sa i pou rol en Foreign Affairs Committee.

E osi i donn li manda osi pou annan bann miting bann hearings, conduct bann enquiries, bann inquiries osi soumet parey Lalwa, rapor ouswa bann White Paper stage e report lo la.

Ki fer ki i donn li en stati ki i kapab fer.


E osi i kapab angaz nou lokal lo citizen ouswa domenn bann NGOs tel ki koman parey si Sesel pe al form parti tel Konvansyon, ki pou annan lefe apre ki nou'n form parti lo domestikasyon lo lavi dimoun.

Foreign Affairs Committee, International Affairs Committee i kapab angaz E parkont mon vwar poudir i annan bann pwen.

I annan 5 pwen dan sa TOR ki mon war, ok i annan pwen ki mon toutafe man dakor avek.
Pwen limero 5 mon komans avek; maintain and avek bann establish lorganizasyon, akoz nou deza ti pe fer li, nou annan relasyon ladan.

ties li enternasyonal ki nou deza koman Parlman nou ladan.

E Sesel osi i form par, parey nou lo nivo lorganizasyon SADC Lafrik, nou annan lo nivo IPU, nou annan lo nivo COMESA, diferan, diferan, nou ladan.

Sa mon napa problenm ek sa.

Lo pwen limero 4 lagreman bann Protokol, parey nou koze bann Konvansyon trete.

Napa problenm nou sipoze pe fer sa kalite travay i anliny.
pe Pwen limero 3 kot nou sipoze bann conduct oversight, la nou annan en problenm Bidze la Departman Foreign Affairs e Departman Tourism.

lo Se sa ki mon pe dir, eski sa bout tourism nou bezwen al fer li antre ladan?

Eski nou rol International Affairs Committee, pou al get Bidze Minister Touris?

Sa rol get Bidze i for the whole House sa, i annan son letan.

Unless nou dan en Lasanble nou ti annan en Budget Committee ki nou ti'n kree la i ti ava asize i ti ava get Bidze sa bann departman.
Me mon pa pou tro war li tro ou rol pou nou al fer sa kalite travay, unless i annan en lot azanda par deryer sa.

Lo kote assess and report pwen loperasyon ankor limero 2, Foregn Affairs.

18 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 14th July, 2021 Me selman i bezwen baze lo Foreign Policy pa Domestic Policy ki Gouvernman akoz form parti nou, nou pa direkteman dan L’Egzekitiv nou.

I bezwen tousala annan sa konponan Foreign Policy ki nou, nou gete ok?

E pwen limero 1 ankor review Foreign and Tourism Policy.
Parey mon pe dir i bezwen baze lo Foreign Policy.

So mon krwar i annan en.

Petet Maître Georges Onorab Maître Georges i kapab donn nou gidans.

Si nou pa pe antre en pti gin baze en pti pe, ouswa poz en serten dout nou konstitisyonnalite manda i kapab donn nou, pou nou kapab get en pe.

Avan ki laprouvasyon nou donn en koman en Lasanble lo sa Terms of Reference ki la devan nou.
ki Mon'n dir mon form parti sa Komite, nou ti fer serten diskisyon lo la apre ki mon'n al fer fer serten konsiltasyon, serten resers.

Mon vwar poudir i annan en pti pe overlapping ki kapab met nou an danze a lavenir kot i konsern sa TOR.

So Mr Speaker mwan mon met mon pwen devan the i annan House, mazorite, si nou bezwen revwar serten keksoz annou revwar, pou fer keksoz byen.

Nou pa pe lot kote get politik partizan la, annou fer keksoz byen.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.


Mon pou propoze, mon pou demann gidans bann osi Lasanble Leaders Chairman IAC.

e Vi ki i annan deba ki'n leve par en manm sa Komite, kot in lev son konsern avek bann Terms of Reference, eski sa Terms of Reference pa devret retourn kot Komite pou zot revize, oubyen eski zot oule nou rezourd?

e nou prosede Chairman ou kapab adres sa.

Wi.

HON WAVEN WILLIAM Mersi Mr Speaker.


Mr Speaker lo entervansyon Onorab Aglae ki Manm Komite Zafer Etranzer e lo kestyon ki ou'n demande Mr Speaker senserman mon pa krwar poudir nou devret aret prosesis pou aprouv sa TOR, par lefe, mon a donn ou mon rezondet akoz.

Enn se ki sa Terms of Reference in ganny sirkile kot tou bann Manm e tou bann Manm ti partisip dan diskisyon lo sa TOR.

Tou bann Manm ti ganny sans, menm letan nou ti fer sa lamannman, in ganny submit atraver nou sekreter.
In re anvoy kot tou bann Manm 19 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 14th July, 2021 Lasanble, well kot bann Manm Komite Zafer Etranzer, pou regarde si zot napa okenn pou sizesyon, kapab met devan.

propozisyon E Sekreter Komite Zafer Lasanble ki Depite Clerk, yer mwan mon fer serten ti lamannman tipografi ki mon ti soumet e mon’n demann li si in ganny okenn kontribisyon sorti lo, kot okenn bann Manm IAC?

E i ti dir mwan poudir non.


E Mr speaker pou ou lenformasyon Sekreter Komite Zafer Etranzer tou letan i anvoy bann soumisyon travay ki nou’n fer kot tou bann Manm e i ganny serten ekspekte ki feedback.

E mon pou dir ou i malere, i malere ki napa feedback ki vini sorti kot bann Manm e nou pran sa konmkwa ki tou zafer i ok.

So mwan mon vwar ne mannev Speaker Mr deliberaman par serten Manm ki ti annan sans.

Akoz nou annan en group lo WhatsApp.


Si i ti'n fer resers i ti kapab soumet sa dan group e nou ti ava regarde si nou ti annan sa nesesite pou nou pull back the Motion nou ti pou fer li.

Akoz nou anvi ganny konsansis tou bann Manm ki lo sa Komite.

Me Mr Speaker mon get Mosyon ki'n pase presedan la lo Terms of Reference of The House Committee.

Mon'n vwar lapros e mon pa ekspekte lo sa enn lapros pou sanze.

Me selman parey mon dir se ki mon pa santi poudir i annan sa nesesite.
Me i en size ki pli tar nou kapab kontinyen diskisyon.

Akoz Mr Speaker en Terms of Reference i pa zanmen statik, nou Standing Order i pa zanmen statik e Konstitisyon pei osi i en dokiman ki vivan e i osi i pa statik.

So koman en Lasanble serye mon krwar nou devret pran li koman en louvraz e kontinyen.

Mersi Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Mon annan lezot Manm ki'n lev lanmen avan sa.

Mon ne pe dan en dilenm si nou pou prolong sa deba, oubyen si nou kapab termin avek en vot.

Onorab Georges ou pwennvi.


HON BERNARD GEORGES Wi Mr Speaker mersi.

Mon ti pe al propoze ki si i annan okenn Manm lo Lopozisyon ki anvi koze, la mon krwar zot devret ganny ganny permisyon, laparol.

Me si i zis lo nou kote mon dakor avek Chair IAC ki nou pe prolonz en deba ki nou konnen ki zon rezilta.
ti a Alor mwan mon kontan move to for closure of 20 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 14th July, 2021 debate, e ki nou pas a en vot direkteman lo sa e nou adopte sa rezolisyon, akoz nou'n fini vwar ki Lopozisyon pe fer depi bomaten.

E nou pa pou tonm dan zot mannev.

Mersi.

(APPLAUSE) MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Me ou'n propoze ki si i annan Manm Lopozisyon ki oule adrese i kapab adrese.

So si Onorab Leader Lopozisyon i kapab anmenn nou dan menm direksyon, sa ti ava apresyab.
Mon ava donn laparol Onorab Cosgrow avan.

Onorab Cosgrow nou a sey move en pe vit silvouple?

HON WALLACE COSGROW Mersi Mr Speaker.

Bonzour tou dimoun.

Bonzour tou Manm Lasanble.

Mr Speaker mon ava sey bouz en pe vit an vi ki i paret mwan ki lot kote latab in fini fer zot nide lo la.

Parkont Mr Speaker mon pran laparol ozordi bomaten koman en Manm IAC mwan osi.
E koman en dimoun ki'n partisip dan diskisyon, mon ti a kontan fer resorti, fer byen kler ki poudir napa okenn attempt lo kote Lopozisyon, pou zis shoot down sa ki devan nou ozordi pou okenn rezon pa valab.

Mr Speaker ler nou ri asize nou ti diskit sa Terms Of Reference, e parey mon'n dir mon osi mon ti form par ladan.
Dan mon pwennvi mon ti pe get li avek en loptik kot Lasanble i fer louvraz oversight e Komite Lasanble i fer louvraz oversight ki parey zot in toultan fer dan lepase menm dan sizyenm Lasanble oparavan.

E ler mon konpar sa Terms Of Reference nouvo ki pe ganny propoze avek sa enn avan, e mwan osi mon asize mon'n get li en pti pe dan loptik parey Onorab Aglae in dir.

E nou'n annan serten diskisyon antre nou within the Caucus, napa naryen pou kasyet, nou'n annan serten diskisyon ki nou fer.
louvraz E pou mwan mon santi ki poudir sa Komite Lasanble i bezwen reste enn ki oversight e langaz ki nou met dan nou Terms Of Reference, i bezwen reflekte sa louvraz ki nou fer.

E mon a donn ou enn de legzanp Mr Speaker mon pou al lo 1.2 petet .3 of the amended Terms Of Reference.

Ler nou pe koz lo review and assess, review and assess Foreign and Tourism Policies.

Now, Polisi, fer Polisi revwar i reste Polisi, assess Polisi prerogative L’Egzekitiv.
Prezidan son bann Minister, 21 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 14th July, 2021 son bann Departman ki fer Polisi.

Nou, nou louvraz isi se oversight lo delivre sa bann Polisi.

dir Alors kapab ler mon'n asize mon'n reflesir e Mr Speaker ou mon personnelman, ki napa okenn attempt pour zis pa vot pou sa ok. Ler mon'n asize, mon'n assess, mon'n gete, mon war ki petet nou pe step en pti pe lo lipye louvraz L’Egzekitiv.
E mon pa santi mwan konfortab, mwan mon pare pour ki si sa Terms of Reference ti kapab troun dan staz diskisyon ankor dan Komite kot mon kapab fer sorti en pe plis bann pwen.

pe assess Me selman mon pa krwar ki nou devret pe revwar, nou devret Polisi Gouvernman ki apre demen nou, nou bezwen fer oversight lo ki mannyer zot delivre.

So mon war i annan en pti pe stepping on toes la.

Lo kote dezyenm osi i annan sa zafer assess manda, manda i manda Gouvernman.
Nou, nou la pou fer oversight, so assess manda i pa vreman rol Komite Zafer Etranzer.

Mwan mon lo koumsa koman en manm Komite menm si mon'n donn la, napa lanmen travay santi lo naryen mal pou anpes ou reflesir, pou anpes ou revwar.

E petet revwar ou nide, revwar ou fason panse lo en keksoz, i normal sa i totalman normal e si nou anvi fer keksoz ki byen, en keksoz ki byen pou nou Komite pou Lasanble mon krwar nou bezwen kapab annan en lespri ouver.
E Mr Speaker i annan sa issue of oversight lo Bidze Departman of Foreign Affairs i ok, oversight i ganny fer ler Bidze i vin devan Lasanble the whole House i fer oversight lo Bidze.

donn laprouvasyon ouswa nou pa lo donn diskisyon ki annan.

laprouvasyon baze nou E i ou'n So en pti pe dan sa laliny Mr Speaker mon krwar ki sa propozisyon fer Mr Speaker ki nou troun a nivo Komite e nou re diskit en pti pe langaz mo ki ganny servi.
Petet dan sa bann laliny Terms of Reference mon krwar ti ava en bon nide e mwan mon osi mon pouse pou sa.

Mr Speaker so avek sa 2 mo koman en Manm IAC mon demande ki Lasanble i konsider sa, e ki nou kapab refer en serten travay lo la, e nou troun avek o pli vot posib ki nou bokou Mr kapab.

Mersi Speaker.

22 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 14th July, 2021 MR SPEAKER Mersi Onorab Cosgrow.
Selman mon pou fer sa zis avek sa konsantman Chairman Komite akoz in donn loportinite tou manm pou komante e pou fer zot demars.

So mon pa krwar nou devret bypass son prosedir.

Onorab Pillay eski nou kapab terminen silvouple?

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Mersi Mr Speaker.

E mon ti a kontan from komansman mon lentervansyon zis fer kler.

Si bomaten nou kapab divors nou panse politik from nou panse Parlmanter i ti pou ed nou dan sa ki nou pe gete.
E rezon pou sa i senp, ler nou get konstitisyon Lartik 76, i drol Onorab e mon war Georges ou pa’n dir naryen lo la.

Ler nou ti pe set out Terms of Reference for Bills Committee back then nou ti reach en pwen kontansyon.

Sete lekel ant nou, la mo pa pe koz parti la mon pe koz Lasanble.

Depi Egzekitiv ki annan drwa egzekite formil Polisi?

E pou a rapel tre byen ki nou ti bezwen fer.

MR SPEAKER Onorab Pillay, eski ou pa pe al an deor sa Terms of Reference la?

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Non, non, non.


I al an relasyon ek sa Terms of Reference Mr Speaker akoz si ou regard premye pwen lo sa Terms of Reference … MR SPEAKER Ok, get to the point.

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Premye pwen lo sa Terms of Reference i ‘’review and assess Foreign and Tourism Policies and strategy of the Republic of Seychelles.’’ Mwan mon santi poudir sa i pa rol Lasanble.

I pa an akor avek Lartik 66 Konstitisyon.

fer sey Nou practice en doktrin separation of powers.
Sa ki nou pe atraver nou International Affairs Committee was never the intent ki nou Standing Orders ti set out pou nou Affairs Committee.

International Mon konpran le 3, le 2 dernyen morso, review and assess the national agreements and protocol ki fer sans;- ‘’maintain and establish ties with foreign parliamentary’’ sa i fer sans.
E me selman mon pa konpran par egzanp dezyenm pwen, ‘’access and report on the mandate and operation of the department of Foreign Affairs.’’ 23 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 14th July, 2021 Lefe ki koman Lasanble ou pou assess and report under mandate of operation, be ou ki pe fer legzekisyon at the same time fer oversight lo legzekisyon, kote oversight i komanse, kote egzekisyon i fini?
Mon ou propozisyon ti en propozisyon sound, ki i ti a kapab annan lezot fason pou word sa ki lentansyon ki IAC pe rode, ki si i sa Terms of Reference retournen.

krwar ki Me ozordi i en tes, i en tes pou mazorite dan Lasanble Nasyonal pou zot montre si zot annan en grander lespri.

E zot anvi vreman travay parey zot ti pe demande dan annan en serten linite dan lafason ki nou travay, pou pran en lapros kot sa Terms of Reference, i a kapab retourn dan sa Komite.
E zot ava kapab konsider bann keksoz ki bann pwen pertinan, an relasyon avek zot rol ki zot annan koman IAC.

E si mon anmenn sa pwen kot mon'n tann sa largiman lo Tourism Policy.

Si mon'n ekout Vice- IAC, pou mwan Chairman basically nou pe ganny nou en dezyenm Minister Tourizm.

E mon konsern prezan i se ki IAC ki pou vin dan Lasanble pou donn mwan en rapor lo Polisi IAC i en Minister Tourizm, Manm bann mazorite Gouvernman, Gouvernman e L’Egzekitiv in menm mazorite dan Lasanble.
ganny So savedir ler IAC in tonm dakor avek en keksoz, Lasanble pou bezwen tonm dakor avek.

Sa ki vin en problenm.

So i Gouvernman en Lasanble dan ekstansyon Nasyonal.

E zot pa pe vwar li akoz zot krwar poudir mwan mon pe zis dir sa.

Mwan mon pe sey protez lendepandans Lasanble Nasyonal.

Se sa ki mon pe sey fer.

So mwan mon krwar propozisyon ki ou'n fer ti en bon propozisyon.

Ou ti'n dir poudir ou'n war bann Manm in eksprim zot konsern lo nou kote latab, san lensilt, san latak.
Me lensilt ek latak in sorti lo lot kote par fer alizyon ki i annan move lentansyon parmi bann Manm.

Be napa.

Nou Parlmanter nou pe fer en deba koman Parlmanter i pa sipoze vin en deba politik.

I en deba lo prosesis ki nou bezwen swiv a relasyon ek Lalwa ki devan nou, ki enkli nou Konstitisyon, ti napa naryen mal avek sa.
Me si nou anvi proceed avek sa vot, mwan mon santi poudir san ki mon pe lir dan konstitisyon lartik 66 pou vwar ki the vested ganny in 24 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 14th July, 2021 Executive, legislative power ki nou annan.

E nou rol e 3 rol ki nou annan reprezantasyon, Lezislasyon, e oversight i pa enkli egzekisyon.
pa E mon santi poudir dan sa konteks si nou al dan sa direksyon, en nou demokrasi Parlmanter parey en nou Langleter;- demokrasi Parlmanter parey Moris, kot son Minis i osi en Manm Lasanble.

Nou pe al dan en move pou Lasanble Nasyonal.

direksyon pa Nou pe fer en derapaz from sa doktrin ki nou'n etablir.
E mon krwar ki si nou serye e nou anvi vreman improve Terms of Reference IAC, nou anvi ki IAC i vin en Komite ki vin parti prenon sa ki pe pase, e pour li kapab egzers son refleks son muscle koman en oversight mekanizm.

fer Annou pa li antre ansanm avek L’Egzekitiv pou li travay lo Polisi.

That is not it’s role.

Mersi Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

I annan 2 Manm ankor ki'n demann mwan pou koze, e Onorab Onorab Henrie Georges.

Mon demann en pe gidans la?


Eski mon kapab suspend sa deba e repran sa size a en lot moman?

Akoz mon ti a kontan prosede ek nou lezot lo Lasanble.

Onorab biznes Georges eski ou annan en lopinyon lo la?

HON BERNARD GEORGES Mr Speaker wi, deba i kapab ganny sispann.

Me se en Manm ki ava fer sa Mosyon, e en Manm ki annan floor.

E alor si ou'n eksprim ou lentansyon si ou donn en Manm floor sa Manm i a kapab fer sa Mosyon.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.


Mon ti a kontan ki nou pran sa Mosyon, e nou a kapab sispann sa deba posibleman pou pli tar dan lazournen.

Bon, wi.

HON BERNARD GEORGES Fodre ou donn laparol en Manm Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER Mon a donn laparol en Manm.

Lekel Manm ki ti a kontan adres sa?

Onorab Georges wi.

HON BERNARD GEORGES Wi mersi Mr Speaker.

I pa, mon konpran ou, mon ti a kontan, mon krwar i annan Manm ki ti anvi fer serten lentervansyon, e mwan mon anvi fer enn.
Me nou'n tann sa ki ou annan pou dir e nou konnen ki Designated Minister pe espere depi 9er 25 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 14th July, 2021 bomaten e ki nou ti krwar ki sa deba pa ti pou al sa longer.

Alor anba Order 23 nou Standing Orders, mon propoze ki nou suspend, nou adjourn debate lo sa Mosyon ki devan nou to a subsequent date or time.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Eski sa i bezwen ganny segonde?

Onorab Esparon.

HON REGINA ESPARON Mr Speaker Mosyon in ganny segonde.
MR SPEAKER la Nou a pran en vot silvouple.

Manm ki an faver lev lanmen, mersi, okenn Manm ki kont?

Mersi madam Clerk.

lo Lo kestyon pou adjourn motion to debate on the approval of the Revised TOR of the International Affairs Committee.

21 Manm in vot pour, 5 Manm in vot kont e 4 in abstain.

Alor sa mosyon in ganny aprouve par Lasanble.

Nou a adjourn sa deba.

Mersi.

Bon nou a prosede avek lezot item lo nou Order Paper e en avek delegasyon ki pe atann nou, nou a ava apel delegasyon Minis silvouple.
sa nou annan E nou pe pran Second Reading en Public Bill Statutes Law Revision Amendments) 2021.

(Miscellaneous Bonzour e byenveni Minis Dezinyen Mr Jean-Francois Ferrari e osi Mr Stefan Knights Assistant State Counsel.

E nou pou prosede lo Second Reading Statutes Law Revision (Miscellaneous Amendments) 2021.

Principal Minis ek Mr Knights mersi pou zot pasyans e eskiz nou pou sa retar.
Mersi Onorab Georges, nou a demann ou pou prezant Mosyon pou Second Reading Statutes Law Revision (Miscellaneous Amendments) 2021.

HON BERNARD GEORGES Mersi Mr Speaker.

Mr Speaker anba Order 69(2) mon move ki the Statutes Law Revision Amendments) (Miscellaneous lir en i ganny Bill, 2021 Dezyenm Fwa.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

segonnman Onorab Esparon.

Mon a ganny pou Mosyon.

HON REGINA ESPARON Mersi Mr Speaker.

Mosyon in ganny segonde.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Mon a demann Minis pou fer son prezantasyon.


26 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 14th July, 2021 THE DESIGNATED MINISTER MR JEAN-FRANCOIS FERRARI Mersi Mr Speaker.

Bonzour tou bann Manm, tou dimoun ki a lekout.

Bonzour Mr Speaker.

Mr Speaker, ozordi i fer mwan en gran plezir koman Minis Dezinyen pou mwan prezant avek Lasanble sa Prozedlwa lo Statutes Revision Law Amendments) (Miscellaneous Bill, 2021.
Sa Prozedlwa i parmi en seri lamannman Lezislatif ki pou ganny fer anba proze revizyon Lalwa Gouvernman Sesel.

Mr Speaker, avan mon komans mon lentervansyon permet mwan koz lo sa proze pou revwar bann Lalwa Sesel.

En proze ki ti komanse Zanvye 2021 e ki espekte terminen Desanm 2022.

Sa proze i konpri 3 aktivite prensipal.

1) Konsolid bann Lalwa Sesel, 2) Revizyon bann Lalwa Sesel e 3) Reform bann Lalwa Sesel.
Gouvernman i rekonnet lenportans pou fer sir ki bann dokiman legal e Lalwa Sesel i kler, e ki zot aksesib pou tou dimoun.

la transparans nou bann Lalwa Aksesibilite e i enn bann prensip Sesel enportan nou la demokrasi e rule of law.

sa Depi 2010 i annan Lalwa ki’n ganny amande e re amande.

Me bann zanmen lamannman ganny konsolide.

Sa i fer li difisil pou enterpret e lir sa bann Lalwa ki ganny trouve dan liv Revised edition of the Laws of Seychelles.
pa’n Alors sa travay ki pe ganny fer i enportan pou asire ki tou lamannman ki ganny fer dan okenn morso Lezislasyon, i ganny met ansanm dan en fason kler e pibliye dan en fason ki reprezant sa Lalwa dan son form aktyel.

Attorney Zeneral i annan tou Lalwa lentansyon reviz Sesel, dan en zefor pou fer sa bann dokiman legal vin pli konpreansiv, konsistan e kler.
Sa bann revizyon i annan pou lobzektif prensipal swivan: enn, pou fer bann sanzman dan lekritir par egzanp pou koriz bann fot ki’n kapab arive ler ti pe tipe e ler pe fer referans ek en Lalwa, ant en Lalwa avek en lot.

Osi pou met azour kalite langaz ki pe servi osi byen ki bann tit pozisyon ki en dimoun i annan e tit son lofis ki ganny servi dan sa morso Lezislasyon.
27 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 14th July, 2021 E osi pou fer en sanzman dan Lalwa, kot i konsern sanzman dan bann penalti monneter osi byen ki bann lezot lamannman ki neseser.

Mr Speaker, sa ki pli legzersis enportan dan sa reform Lalwa, se ki i ranpli sa bezwen pou adres okenn mankman ki egziste dan bann Lalwa an se moman.

Sa i ava ed nou kontinyen promouvwar plis egalite dan lasosyete, e adapte Lalwa an relasyon avek nouvo bezwen nou pei e nou bann dimoun ki zot annan dan sa lepok modern.
Mr Speaker e Manm zot kapab Onorab, parey konstate anba Statutes Law 231, Revision Komisyoner Revizyon Lalwa i annan bokou pouvwar pou li revwar e fer koreksyon dan Lalwa Sesel.

Cap Act, i Par egzanp Komisyoner Revision kapab Lalwa senplifye, oubyen fer bann fraz pli kourt dan nenport Lalwa ki vin anfors.

I osi annan pouvwar pou fer nenport lamannman e omisyon formel dan sa bann Lalwa.
Menm si sa Komisyoner i annan pouvwar pou fer tou sa bann sanzman, san ki Parlman i bezwen revwar son travay, Attorney Zeneral in pran sa desizyon enportan pou konsey Gouvernman, ki tou sanzman ki ganny fer dan Lalwa Sesel i ava soumet devan Lasanble Nasyonal pou son konsiderasyon.

ganny Mon krwar sa i en pwen enportan akoz i met Lasanble Nasyonal o sant bann desizyon final lo sa bann lamannman e sa bann sanzman.
Enn fwa ki sa proze i konplete, Gouvernman pou anmenn en Prozedlwa pou etablir en Komisyon Lalwa Sa Komisyon pou Sesel.

reform dan responsab Lalwa, reviz bann Lalwa Sesel e aboli Statute Law Revision Act, Cap 231. fer Ladministrasyon Lalwa Sesel i ekspekte alors vin pli efikas lo kote depans e son laspe operasyonnel.

Letan sa de fonksyon reform e revizyon Lalwa i zwenn ansanm.
An plis ki sa, Gouvernman i espekte devlop en sit web kot tou bann Lalwa ki ganny konsolide e met azour, pou ganny pibliye e piblik pou kapab ganny akse avek sa bann Lalwa gratwitman dan sa prensip latransparans e tretman egal pou tou dimoun.

Dan premye faz revizyon Lalwa, 11 Lalwa in ganny revwar e i annan propozisyon pou fer lamannman dan 6 sa 11 Lalwa.

Mon pou aprezan pas lo 28 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 14th July, 2021 Act, Cap sa bann lamannman ki pe ganny propoze dan sa 6 Lalwa.
Enn, anba Statue Law 231, Revision propozisyon se ki en Komite ki pou donn konsey lo revizyon Lalwa.

Law Revision Advisory Committee, nou pou apel li, i ganny formelman etabli anba Lalwa, pou reviz pli ki 400 Lezislasyon e plis ki 1700 Lenstriman Legal ki nou konn zot isi koman bann S.I.

Sa Komite pou enkli Attorney Zeneral koman son Chairman.

Prezidan Lakour Dapel, Sef Ziz, bann Avoka Senior e Komisyoner Revizyon Lalwa.
Sa komite pou atraver Attorney Zeneral e Komisyon Revizyon Lalwa, propoz okenn lamannman dan Lalwa avek Konsey Minis son konsiderasyon.

pou Seychelles, Laws An plis ki sa, sa Prozedlwa pe propoze pou aboli sa legzizans ki Revised edition of of the (edisyon revize lo Lalwa Sesel) i devret disponib dan en versyon lir elektronik, ki ou kapab selman.

Sa i pou asire ki tou Lalwa i aksesib e tou dimoun a okenn moman i ganny akse gratwitman avek tou Lalwa.
De, anba Lalwa lenterpretasyon ek provizyon zeneral, IGP parey nou konnen, Cap 103, i annan propozisyon pou aboli serten definisyon e ranplas zot avek bann nouvo.

Par egzanp sa Prozedlwa pe entrodwi nouvo definisyon pou Oditer Zeneral, Labank Santral, Mazistra e Vis Prezidan.

An plis ki sa, sa Prozedlwa i espekte entrodwi en legzizans ki Lasanble Nasyonal i pas en rezolisyon pou anil okenn lenstriman legal, S.I.
ek ki sa Lenstriman Legal devret ganny anile par piblikasyon en lord dan Gazet Ofisyel pou enform piblik ki sa Lalwa nepli an fors.

Sa Lord dan Gazet Ofisyel ava osi ganny rikorde dan bann regilasyon ki swiv.

Trwazyenm proze Mr Speaker, nou pe osi proze ki sa Dekre ki etabli konbyen Minis i devret annan dan en Konsey Minis, Minister Number Decree Cap 131 i ganny aboli.

Lartik Sa i akoz sa Dekre pa konsistan avek Konstitisyon.

Kot dan Konstitisyon i dir ki i pa devret annan plis ki 14 Minis.
Me parkont sa Dekre i dir ki i pa devret annan plis ki 15 Minis.

69(1) Katriyenm lamannman se lamannman dan Officials Oath Act, Cap 153 ki pe osi ganny propoze.

Lobzektif sa enn lamannman anba sa Prozedlwa se pou etabli, se pou aboli Oath of Allegiance and Presidential Oath 1976 e ranplas zot pa Oath 29 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 14th July, 2021 of Allegiance and Presidential Oath anba Schedule 6 nou Konstitisyon.
An plis ki sa, sa Prozedlwa pe fer provizyon pou enkli Vice- Presidential Oath ki osi ganny trouve anba Schedule 6 nou Konstitisyon.

Provizyon i osi ganny fer dan sa Prozedlwa pou ogmant penalti monneter pou bann ki pa respekte Oath of Secrecy.

Senkyenmman, anba Lalwa Persons Public Declaration of Assets, Liabilities Interest Act, and Business 2016, sa i Lalwa ki egzize ki bann o zofisye dan Sekter Piblik i deklar zot bann byen e lentere dan biznes.
Lamannman pe ganny propaze pou entrodwir penalti kont sa bann O Zofisye ki pa soumet zot deklarasyon oubyen dan sa dele letan spesifik ki’n ganny etabli anba sa Lalwa.

E finalman Mr Speaker, lamannman pe osi ganny propoze pou ogmant penalti monneter anba Lalwa ki gouvern bann parti politik.

Political Parties Registration and Regulation Act, Cap 173 ki pou ganny alors amande.

Mr Speaker, an se moman Komite ki pe donn konsey lo revizyon Lalwa.
Law Revision Advisory Committee pe an se moman revwar Lalwa Kriminel, ki relevan avek Lalwa Ladministrasyon Lazistis, Lalwa La Defans, Sekirite e Lord Piblik.

Mon ganny enformen ki sa dimoun ki pe ansarz sa proze revizyon Lalwa Sesel, Mr Stephan Knights, ki akote mwan la, in komans konsilte bann Manm Lasanble Nasyonal lo propozisyon Lezislatif, pou amann Lalwa Prizon, Kod Penal, Kod lo Prosedir Kriminel e plizyer lezot Lalwa.

Mr Speaker, mon swete ki nou tou ki la nou rekonnet lenportans sa proze.
Mon pli gran swe e swe Gouvernman, se ki Lasanble Nasyonal i donn son sipor sa proze atraver zot partisipasyon bann konsiltasyon piblik, e demann bann kestyon pertinan e difisil pou asire ki nou ganny bann Lalwa onivo e de kalite ki pou ede amelyor lavi nou pep isi Sesel.

Mon remersi ou Mr Speaker.

dan MR SPEAKER Mersi Minis.

E nou aprezan pran deba lo sa Bill e bann Manm ki anvi entervenir silvouple i kapab lev lanmen.

Onorab Andre ou kapab komanse.


HON CLIFFORD ANDRE 30 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 14th July, 2021 Mersi Mr Speaker.

Mr Speaker, Minis in donn nou en apersi lo bann lamannman ki sa Statutes (Miscellaneous Law Revision pe Bill Amendments) anmennen.

bann sa lamannman i neseser.

E I neseser akoz parey in ganny dir oubyen parey ki nou bann Avoka, souvandfwa nou fer bann largiman, nou dir ki poudir sa Lalwa i pa azour, i en bon arkaik komansman.

sa e i Mr Speaker, me mon en konsern.
Mon annan konsern letan mon pas dan sa Lalwa, mon santi ki dan en letan kot nou a pe demann Pep Seselwa pou ankor enn fwa fer en sakrifis an term nou pe anbark lo en progranm IMF, mon vwar ki dan sa Lalwa ki la i dir dan 3(a) subclause 6, i dir ‘’there shall be paid to the members of the Committee and the persons appointed under subsection (3) such honorarium or allowances as may be determined by the Minister responsible for finance and in consultation with the Attorney General.’’ Ki par kont Attorney Zeneral i pou Chairman dapre leksplikasyon e dapre Lalwa ki mannyer i gannyen.
Mwan mon ava demande ki letan nou pe dir ti bann Boards pou bezwen vin fer en travay ki en pti pe dan laliny volonter, annou demann pour lemoman avek kriz ki nou pe pas atraver e sakrifis ki nou pe demann dimoun pou fer, mon ti ava demann Minis si i ti a kapab annan konsiderasyon ki sa bann Manm i fer sa travay lo en baz volonter ?

Mon konnen parey in dir pou annan bann Avoka ki lo la.
i annan bokou Me selman Avoka ki son pasyon se fer kontribisyon en lamannman oubyen en Lalwa, ki i santi pou ed li demen letan i pe fer son louvraz kot i pou ganny peye.

ver Alors, sa enn, sa bout la Mr Speaker, mon ti a demann Minis pou nou si i annan posibilite pou nou revwar sa konsiderasyon ki pe ganny fer.

Akoz nou koman bann Manm Lasanble nou souvandfwa pa kapab met en lo Gouvernman, be nou vwar sa Lalwa ki la, dan sa klima pe met serten additionnal responsabilite lo Lotorite.
charge Mr Speaker, mon lot pwen se mon konnen dan Komite nou pou pas lo la.

I annan serten definisyon ki’n ganny mete ki mwan mon vwar i aparet dan Children’s Act e i aparet dan Civil Code.

Me selman non pe define, par egzanp nou pe 31 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 14th July, 2021 define minor.

Nou pe pran definisyon ki dan Civil Code.

Me selman nou annan en dan ankor definisyon Children’s Act.
ki So, kekfwa menm si nou pe sey aranz li, me nou osi devret vwar si letan nou pe aranze nou pa devret aranz en sel, at least lo en laspe ki konsern en definisyon ki en manrmay anba 18an, me i annan 2 laspe definisyon.

So, mon ti a kontan ganny sa leksplikasyon akoz mon’n sey pas lo la, re pas lo la, re pas lo la.

Mon’n get sa 2 definisyon e i annan le 2 definisyon.
Mon ti a kontan kekfwa nou swazir enn oubyen nou amann en lot definisyon ki a fer li annan en uniform definisyon with regards to a minor, or en manrmay ki anba 18an.

Mr Speaker, mon antyerman dakor ki nou bezwen amann nou Lalwa.

Me letan nou pe get osi IGPA son amannman ki i pe donn nou, se i pe met en lot lobligasyon ankor lo Lasanble, pou fer en travay ki letan nou pe annul en S.I., i pe demann nou pou nou sa annulment dan pibliy Gazette.

E sa i pe ganny mete dan Lalwa.


So, akoz letan nou’n ganny konsiltasyon se ki biro Attorney Zeneral pa konnen oubyen i pa lo liv letan en S.I.

in sorti.

Ki apart ki Lasanble in annul sa S.I., i pa ganny pibliye ki sa SI in ganny annul.

Alors parfwa son lefe i kontinyen.

Alors mon ti a kontan ki Minis dan son repons i sey dir nou akoz as it is today, nou zis fer sa annulment, me nou pa involve dan piblikasyon.
Eski sa prezan pe vin enn nou responsabilite akoz nou pou bezwen follow-up pou nou fer sir ki i annan en piblikasyon.

Avek sa detrwa mon Mr Speaker, mon ti a esper Minis pou donn mwan sa bann repons, apre definitivman mon an faver ki nou amann Lalwa, nou fer li vin azour.

Me selman mon ti a kontan ganny sa detrwa klarifikasyon.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi Onorab Andre.

Onorab Georges.

HON BERNARD GEORGES Mersi Mr Speaker.

Mr Speaker, mon osi mon pa pou long.


Mon ti a kontan swet Minis Dezinyen avek Mr Knights la byenveni dan nou Lasanble.

Mon krwar Minis Dezinyen, Minis Ferrari in eksplik tre byen rezon deryer sa Bill ki devan nou ozordi.
E parey nou kapab konpran, sa se premye parmi en seri sa bann 32 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 14th July, 2021 kalite Bills ki pou vin devan nou Lasanble o fir e anmezir ki sa travay tidying up, sa travay netwayaz ki biro Attorney Zeneral an zeneral e Mr Knights an partikilye pe fer dan revizyon nou bann Lalwa.

E dan Mr Speaker, i ti plis ki tan e nou bann dimoun ki’n ganny apele pou egzers sa profesyon, lontan nou’n realize ki i annan bokou defayans dan lafason ki nou kapab access nou Lalwa.
lafason ki nou kapab access menm bann Lalwa ki nou kapab access dan son dernyen versyon.

E akoz parey nou tou nou konnen Lalwa i pa statik, i dinamik.

E tanzantan i annan lamannman ki arive e fodre ki ou azour a tou moman, E mon ti a kontan felisit Attorney Zeneral, e remersi li lekip pou bann avek son linisyativ ki i pe pran including sa enn.

Me osi linisyativ pibliy Official Gazette electronically, akoz la nou kapab access sa dokiman enportan in real time.
Olye bezwen esper gannyen annan de fwa plizyer zour pli tar.

Mr Speaker, free access to law in toultan en pilye, enn mon bann pilye personnel.

e mon kontan vwar ki ozordi nou pe al dan sa direksyon avek en pli gran lavites ki dan lepase.

Nou ava rapel ki SeyLII lo ki bor mon annan loner pou servi plizyer lannen pase, apepre en 10an la deza, ti ganny fer pou egzakteman sa.

Pou fer ki tou dimoun kot zot été, kapab access nou Lalwa dan en fason vit, dan en fason elektronik e otan ki posib up-to- date.
Me tousala i pran en gran zefor e i bezwen kapasite mendev e i bezwen larzan.

E se pa toultan ki nou’n annan sa 2 keksoz.

Annan defwa nou’n annan enn, annan defwa nou annan lot, annan defwa nou napa ditou.

Annan defwa nou annan tou lede.

E i byen ki osito ki nou kapab fer e otan ki nou kapab met lanmen ansanm, nou devret pou byennet nou nasyon, pa selman profesyon Lalwa me byennet nou nasyon e pou lentere bann dimoun ki deor, kapab access en Lalwa ki up-to-date.
Resaman i annan en dimoun ki’n ekrir mwan, akoz i ti annan en problenm lo Lalwa tax e i ti’n demann mwan en lopinyon.

Akoz ti’n annan telman lamannman lo sa proze ki i ti pe regarde, ki li menm li e pa selman li, me plizyer son bann koleg ki travay dan tax toulezour, ti annan difikilte pou vwar egzakteman kisisa ki sa Lalwa ti pe sey dir.

33 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 14th July, 2021 Sa i pa posib, sa i nepli permisib dan venteenyenm syek, dan en pei modern parey nou.
Epi i annan bann Lalwa parey in ganny dir, bann Lalwa arkaik.

Ler en Labank par egzanp i sezi later en dimoun akoz i pa’n pey son loan pou re vann.

Nou ankor pe viv anba en Lalwa Franse.

En Lalwa ki’n vin Sesel, depi lepok ki nou ti en teritwar Franse.

E ki ankor la e ki telman difisil pou antreprann, akoz i annan telman letap e sakenn avek son time limit 7 zour, 14 zour, 30 zour, ki si ou mank enn sa bann pa ou bezwen retournen e re komans ankor e parey nou’n vwar sa i met retar dan devlopman en pei.
Nou annan bann Lalwa parey Rent Tax.

Lalwa ki konstitye Rent Board, ki ti tre modern ler i ti vin an for dan bann lannen 1950, me ki ti pe esey rezourd en problenm sa lepok, kot ti napa bokou lakaz, ti napa bokou lakaz lwe e bann lakaz ki ti annan ti bann lakaz ase mizer.

Kot tanzantan parey nou rapel dimoun ti ganny met deor, ti napa proteksyon.

Nou ti vwar zot ek zot pake dan en konmisyon pe bezwen al rod en refiz somewhere.

I ti pou adres sa sityasyon.


Ozordi sityasyon in sanz konpletman e nou ankor pe servi sa vye Lalwa pou nou kapab antreprann o plito zer bann problenm komersyal ki arive dan bann gran building, kot dimoun nepli annan sa bann kontrent ki zot ti annan dan bann lannen 1950.

I annan en kantite Lalwa ki fodre nou fer modernize.

Minis dezinyen in koz lo Lalwa Prizon ki pou ganny revwar, e enn bann keksoz ki absoliman esansyel se en prosedir parole.
Kot tou bann prizonnyen i ava konnen ki tanzantan zot kapab fer en demann, en laplikasyon pou zot santans ganny revwar, eksetera.

Tousala se bann challenge ki devan biro Attorney Zeneral e sa ladministrasyon ozordi pou met tou sa bann Lalwa azour.

E donk ler nou vwar bann linisyativ tel parey sa enn ki pe vin devan nou ozordi, nou bezwen rezouir.

E mwan an partikilye, Mr Speaker.

I pa en - tou dimoun i konnen, i pa en sekre ki enn mon bann pasyon personnel se amann Lalwa e bring Lalwa up-to-date.
Nou menm nou dan sizyenm Lasanble, bann nou ki ti dan sizyenm Lasanble i rapel travay ki nou ti fer lo Code Civil e dan sa setyenm Lasanble nou pou annan ankor otan travay pou fer.

Kod Penal par egzanp 34 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 14th July, 2021 ki ekivalan Kod Sivil, me pou bann Lalwa Kriminel.

I ava nou ki pou revwar li.

Alors nou annan bokou travay pou look forward pou fer.
lo ede Mon’n ganny demande sa Steering pou Committee ki pou amenn en komite, Law Revision Committee ganny etabli e se bann dimoun ki pou donn zot letan.

en Mon krwar mon kapab reasir Onorab Andre e mon konnen ki Minis Dezinyen pou fer li ki i pa en kestyon larzan, i en kestyon letan ek lavolonte.

E menm en i propozisyon dan sa Lalwa ki ava annan en reminerasyon, mon konnen e mon’n koz pou bann Manm lo sa Komite, ki se pa sa ki anmenn nou donn nou letan.
annan si Nou pa fer li akoz larzan, me nou fer li akoz nou kontan fer li e nou kontan sa travay ki ganny fer.

Evantyelman, ek evantyelman Mr Speaker, nou pou annan en Law Reform en Law Commissioner Reform Commission.

Pour lemoman parey Minis Dezinyen in dir nou, nou pe konsolide bann Lalwa ki egziste.

Nou pe reviz bann Lalwa pou met zot azour.

Me nou pa ankor anbark dan prosedir reform.


E reform dan savedir rode kote Lalwa pa egziste oubyen sa ki pa egziste, ki mannyer i kapab ganny reformen konpletman e re met azour.

E sa se en travay ki pa arete.

Set en travay kontini, se en travay a long a lenn e se en travay ki anmenn bokou lakontantman bann dimoun ki fer li, e bokou benefis pou pei kot i ganny fer.

Tou bann i annan, nou, nou pa ankor ariv lo sa sityasyon.
Me parey Legliz Katolik i dir, fodre nou fer keksoz pti pa, pti pa. Nou pa kapab taye, nou bezwen konsilte avan, nou bezwen revize e apre nou ava ariv lo reform.

lezot pei Mr Speaker, mon ti anvi koz an zeneral lo sa Lalwa parey Minis Dezinyen ek Onorab Andre in fer resorti.

I tous zis 3 ou 4 landrwa e nou ava annan letan taler ler nou al dan Committee Stage pou revwar bann detay.
Me parey mon’n dir, bravo bann biro Attorney Zeneral ek Mr Knights pou fer sa travay, e nou atann vwar zot ankor plis e ankor pli souvan dan nou Lasanble.

Mersi bokou.

MR SPEAKER Mersi Onorab Georges.

Onorab Pillay.

35 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 14th July, 2021 HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Mersi Mr Speaker e bonzour Minis Dezinyen e Mr Knights dan Lasanble Nasyonal.

Mr Speaker, mon’n ganny loportinite pou annan en enteraksyon avek Mr Knights pandan letan ki i ti pe fer son travay.
Mon bezwen dir ki i en lapros ki enteresan, akoz pou mwan i en lapros kot malgre mon partisipe, me selman mon en pti pe enkonfortab, akoz koman Lasanble Nasyonal nou pou toultan bezwen pe egzers oversight oubyen pe egzers nou lo en rol koman Lezislater Prozedlwa, ki malgre Gouvernman i vin kot nou.

Me mon konpran ki biro Attorney Zeneral pe sey fer, zot pe rod bann major hurdles to get them out of the way pou ki nou kapab bouz lo bann ki en pe pli senp e nou a kapab deal avek.
E mon krwar se sa lespri ki Biro Attorney Zeneral pe vin avek.

i Sa Lalwa enn ki konpreansiv.

I konpreansiv akoz i pa pe koz lo zis lo en Lalwa ki pe ganny amande.

I pe koz lo en seri Lalwa ki pe ganny amande parfwa menm par an konsekans.

Me lamazorite i avek fer sa bann Lalwa vin azour e sa nou konpran.

E sa nou aksepte ki i bezwen ganny fer.


Me selman i annan keksoz ki nou bezwen regarde from serten perspektiv ki anmenn serten nou pou demann kestyon, e zot pa prezan dan Lalwa e nou pe ganny dir ki se koumsa ki pou ganny fer.

Nou pa’n zanmen koman Lezislater, annefe menm mwan pandan senkyenm Lasanble par egzanp, menm pou en bon bout sizyenm Lasanble, pou Lezislater, nou lamazorite Parlmanter dan Law Revision Commissioner i pa’n zanmen en dimoun ki vin dan nou lespri.
I pa zanmen en dimoun ki nou mazinen.

I annan enn akoz nou enteraksyon i tou letan avek sa laliny Lalwa sorti kot biro Attorney Zeneral ler in vin dan Lasanble.

Me ler ou aprofondir ou lekor, ler ou rod fason, ou pran en lentere pou ou konnen kwa ki son rol i ete, ou realize poudir en dimoun ki annan en pouvwar ase konsiderab.

I annan en pouvwar enportan.


en Lasanble E ki zanmen in deza letan nou’n annan, menm annan kot Lopozisyon ek Gouvernman ti diferan, nou pa’n zanmen annan sa diskisyon, kot pou nou konpran ki rol sa pouvwar, sa ki Law Revision Commissioner i annan.

rol 36 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 14th July, 2021 E la avek sa bann lamannman ki pe fer, i pe sitye lo sa landscape legal e rol i Lezislasyon ki Lasanble annan.
E i pou enportan prezan pou nou fer sir, mwan from mon pwennvi, se asire ki rol Lezislasyon ki Konstitisyon i donn ganny mentenir, i ganny ranforsi e ki napa en fason pou antoure li dan okenn fason.

Lasanble, i ganny E mon pa pe dir ki sa i lentansyon sa Lalwa.

Me i kapab enterprete koumsa.

Mon dir sa Mr Speaker, akoz ler nou regard serten propozisyon lamannman ki vin dan sa Lalwa.

bann Par egzanp, annou regard sa nouvo seksyon 10.


Malgre ki Minis in dir ek nou koumsa ki poudir Attorney Zeneral in dir ki nou pou ganny sight oubyen nou pou ganny enformen about sa revizyon ki pe ganny fer.

Mon krwar ki nou bezwen enkli Lasanble Nasyonal anba sa provizyon.

Nou bezwen enkli.

Akoz menm sa pouvwar ki nou pe donnen Law Revision Commissioner, i en pouvwar ki dekoul from pouvwar ki nou, nou annan anba Konstitisyon.

Akoz Lasanble nou, Nasyonal ki annan pouvwar fer Lezislasyon.
zis Nou donn serten delegasyon en Minis atraver en Lalwa pou li kapab pas en S.I.

retenir Me posibilite pou nou annul sa S.I.

Akoz pouvwar Lezislasyon i reste avek Lasanble Nasyonal.

toultan nou Dan mon pwennvi okenn sanzman ki ganny fer ek en Lalwa ki swa atraver en revizyon ou otherwise, i en sanzman en Lalwa e pou mwan prosesis parti i Lezislasyon.

E Lasanble Nasyonal i bezwen parti prenon dan sa prosedir.

form I annan dimoun pa pou dakor avek sa largiman, mon konpran.
Mon krwar petet i en largiman ki dimoun pou vwar li tro vizavi Konstitisyon.

Mon pe walk to the the length Constitution, e se sa ki mon santi.

ekstrenm full of E mon krwar mwan sa garanti ki Minis in donn mwan, mon oule plis ki sa garanti.

Mon ti a kontan ganny plis ki sa garanti.

Mon ti a kontan ganny en prepozisyon ki sa i ganny enkli, this is included in the law.

Not as an afterthought ki AG will then provide in the revised or whatever has happened to the law.
I want it written in the law, that it has to happen that way.

That is the process that it must follow.

37 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 14th July, 2021 So, si nou kapab ganny sa e Lasanble i kapab toultan retenir son rol Lezislasyon.

Sa i permet nou, pou nou bouz devan.

En lot keksoz ki mon bezwen koz lo la se sa size kot Lasanble apre ki in pas en Mosyon pou li annul en S.I., savedir anba Lartik, anba seksyon 66 mon krwar nou IGPA si mon pa tronpe.
fer, sipoze Parey mon’n dir oparavan, meton Gouvernman nou’n pas en Lalwa e nou donn pouvwar Minis.

Nou dir Minis pou kapab fer regilasyon pou enpoz bann fines, ou kapab fer regilasyon pou enpoz serten fason fer, ki sa antite ki sa Lalwa i deal avek i oubyen ki Gouvernman i pou le fer.

en se pa Minis regilasyon, S.I.

i vin devan Lasanble.

Lasanble i ganny li, si mon pa tronpe 90 zour pou li annul.

Savedir anpes sa S.I.

Premye zour ki sa S.I.


i ganny i pibliye, nenport aksyon bezwen ganny fer anba la i kapab ganny fer.

i So, si sa S.I.

i dir par egzanp.

Mon pa kapab servi en legzanp ki a kapab konfiz dimoun deor, taler a krwar mon pe dir en lot keksoz.

Si sa S.I.

par egzanp i dir tou dimoun ki reste Takamaka oubyen tou dimoun ki reste Bazarka i bezwen al se zot par bato.

Ok ?

Tou dimoun pou bezwen al par bato until ki sa S.I.

i ganny annulled.

Sa en legzanp.


I pa pou anpese ki sa bann dimoun ki napa bato pa pou kapab vin dir apre poudir, en keksoz mal in ganny fer kont mwan akoz sa S.I.

ti ilegal.

In fer li fer.

Zour nou annul sa S.I.

nou fer li atraver en Mosyon.

E se la Mr Speaker, kot mwan mon pe sey konpran thinking biro Attorney Zeneral.

Mon aksepte ki i bezwen annan en lord sorti kot Lasanble, i fer en sans.
Me eski biro Attorney Zeneral pe dir mwan ki i tret Mosyon sorti Lasanble avek sitan contempt ki i pa konnen kan Lasanble i pas en Mosyon.

E eski mesaz ki nou pe gannyen avek Legzekitiv, i se ki lefe ki en Mosyon is not binding, parkont sa enn i binding, zot pa pou aport latansyon lo en Mosyon, alors Lasanble i bezwen ki apart pas en Mosyon e en rezolisyon i vote par bezwen osi pibliy en lord.
the Legislature, Pou mwan sa i en form en pwennvi largiman perspektiv, pou bann dimoun ki’n dan Lasanble, ki konpran i mannyer fonksyonnen.

Nou bezwen sanz sa largiman.

Mosyon 38 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 14th July, 2021 Demen son bann Manm ki reprezant lo kote Gouvernman, swa nou menm nou pou anmenn bann Mosyon devan Lasanble.

Nou pou vot lo sa Mosyon.


Mesaz ki nou pe gannyen i se ki ler nou’n fini, ler sa Mosyon in fini ganny pase pe Lasanble, Legzekitiv pa pou port latansyon, mon pa pe dir sa Legzekitiv ki la, konpran mwan.

Konfigerasyon Legzekitiv pa port latansyon lo sa Mosyon.

Ou konpran mwan.

So, mon krwar i bezwen annan en sanzman mindset, akoz as i al ver merit sa propozisyon Lalwa.

Nou bezwen davantaz pibliy en lord, akoz zot pa konnen poudir nou’n pas en rezolisyon dan Lasanble Nasyonal.
Mon aksepte ki parey mon’n dir, mon napa problenm ek sa mwan, me selman mon ti ava kontan ki nou, koman Lasanble nou mazin lo la.

I enportan pou nou sa.

Finalman Mr Speaker, mon konnen i en pwen ki mon annan, akoz mon’n pas dan sa Lalwa e mon’n regard plizyer keksoz.

E sa Lalwa in koriz en kantite keksoz.

Mon annan en pti pwen ki mon pa konnen si pou mwan ler mon pe get Konstitisyon i raise en konstitisyonnel, oubyen i zis en pwen tipografi.
issue Ler mon get Lartik 162 nou Konstitisyon, Lartik 162 nou Konstitisyon i fer referans avek en Defence Forces of Seychelles.

Sa Lalwa pe fer referans avek en Defence Forces of Seychelles dan son definisyon.

Mon krwar ki nou bezwen fer sir ki sa bann definisyon i konsistan.

E kestyon ki mon annan pou Minis, se eski zot in regarde pou asire ki tou bann definisyon ki ganny prezante dan sa Lalwa i konsistan avek bann definisyon ki nou’n etabli?
E enn bann definisyon ki mon ti a kontan Minis i port latansyon lo la, sa definisyon propriyete ki nou’n ganny bokou difikilte pou definir li dan lezot Lalwa.

E standar ki nou ti’n adopte koman en pei, se pou servi nou Anti-Money Laundering and Countering of Finance and Terrorism Act, pou defini propriyete.

Mon vwar dan sa bann lamannman ki nou pe propoze nou pa pe servi sa barenm ki nou’n servi pou lezot Lalwa.
Eski Minis atraver reprezantan Attorney Zeneral ki la i kapab reasir nou, ki sa enn definisyon ki zot pe propoze anba sa lamannman i pa enn ki pou enpakte en konfizyon ant le 2 definisyon ki nou annan?

oubyen kree 39 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 14th July, 2021 Akoz en standar ki pe ganny etablir par la mazorite pei, sirtou bann parey nou dan bann ziridiksyon ki bann gran pouvwar i konsider nou a risk akoz nou annan en sekter finansyel offshore, se ki nou fer on definition for property.
E sa definisyon i stem from en standard definition ki ganny servi Anti-Money Laundering and Countering of Financing and Terrorism Act.

anba So, Mr Speaker, vwar la mon bann pwen lentervansyon lo sa deba.

E mon ava esper larepons Minis e Committee Stage pou nou gete ki mannyer bann nou kapab sanzman ki neseser avek sa Lalwa.

Mersi.

propoz MR SPEAKER Mersi Leader Lopozisyon.

Mon ti’n prolonz sa peryod avek lespwar ki nou pou termin sa premye staz.

Me nou pa’n arive fer li.

Alors nou a pran poz.


Minis mon pa anvi met presyon pou ou fer ou summing-up vit.

So, mon ava envit ou pou fer sa apre nou poz.

Mersi, nou ava re zwenn 11er edmi.

(BREAK) MR SPEAKER Byen, nou are pran avek repons Minis lo deba.

Minis Ferrari.

DESIGNATED JEAN- MR THE MINISTER FRANCOIS FERRARI Mersi Mr Speaker.

Mr Speaker, mon ava fer enn de komanter zeneral e mon ti pe koz avek Mr. Knights.
I ava annan 2 laspe ki mon ti ava kontan avek ou permisyon ki Mr Knights i pran laparol, e sa se lo de kestyon ki’n leve, enn par Onorab Andre.

Apre mon krwar Onorab Pillay ti osi koz lo bann kestyon presize.

Bann definisyon byen presi e Mr Knights avek ou permisyon i ava adres sa pwen.

E dezyenm pwen lo sa ki mannyer prosedir, prosedir pou deroule.

Ki bann diferan letap?

Mon krwar i enportan ki nou ganny li kler.

sa ki’n ganny Prezan les mwan retourn, Mr Speaker, lo enn de bann pwen leve.
Premyerman, Onorab Andre in eksprim son konsern e son pwennvi comme quoi dan sa peryod difisil ki nou ladan, re kekfwa nou devret pe konsider sa provizyon, pou pey bann Onorer, oubyen peye pou servis bann diferan bann dimoun ki angaze dan sa bann komite revizyon, evantyelman komite reform.

Mr Speaker, mwan mon kapab reflekte lapros Legzekitiv 40 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 14th July, 2021 se ki otan ki posib si nou kapab rekonpans en dimoun pou son travay, nou fer tou pou nou kapab rekonpans li.
Akoz nou krwar poudir si en dimoun i ganny byen peye, i osi annan en li byen responsabilite pou delivre.

Me byensir tousala parey Onorab Andre i dir, i depan lo moman, lo peryod ekonomik ki mannyer pei i kapab afford.

Alors, nou pou bezwen trouv en mwayen, akoz pou annan bann prive.

Bann Avoka prive ki lo la, ki senior, ki pou bezwen kit zot travay pou zot donn zot letan.

E nou bezwen gete ki mannyer zot kapab ganny rekonpans.

Pou annan bann eksper mon mazinen a plizyer moman.


E zot osi zot pou bezwen rod en fason pou rekonpans zot.

striktir Alors, Gouvernman parey pou bokou bann kou ki asosye avek reform Lalwa, reform bann Leta.

diferan Gouvernman i reach out avek lorganizasyon bann ki enternasyonal tradisyonnelman in siport nou dan zefor modernizasyon e reform.

bann sa Par egzanp Commonwealth ki’n toultan dir poudir zot enn bann keksoz ki zot kontan asiste ladan, se revizyon bann Lalwa, met azout bann prosedir.
Alors Onorab Andre ou pwen in ganny byen note e nou ava gete ki mannyer sa bann lapwentman enpakte negativman lo finans piblik.

pa Lo kestyon bann piblikasyon Onorab, i annan, i responsabilite ler en S.I.

i ganny quash.

Nou’n dir pli boner ki i enportan ki piblik i konnen.

Akoz par ler ou get lo liv Lalwa, ou vwar en S.I., me ou pa san poursan asire poudir i an egzistans akoz i kapab in ganny quash.
Alors de ki bann prosedir Parlmanter, bann prosedir Lasanble Nasyonal in fini ganny fer i prezan responsabilite biro Attorney Zeneral pou pibliye, pou make available pou piblik dan lespri lefikasite, me osi dan lespri latransparans.

Ok, enn bann pwen ki Onorab Georges in ensiste bokou lo la e mwan osi mon ti ava kontan ensiste lo la, se lo sa laspe modernite e inovasyon.
Mon krwar ki ler Cabinet ti pe diskit sa bann propozisyon, sa in sorti tre for akoz nou anvi ki Sesel i vin en pei modern e i reste en pei modern.

Alors, menm par ler sa bann keksoz i koute e i pran letan.

Me selman si nou pa fer li, nou tonm an aryer e nou 41 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 14th July, 2021 perdi nou plas dan sa monn modern ki nou ladan.

E sa legzersis ki nou pe fer, mon dakor e Onorab Georges in dir ki i en travay kontinyel.
I en travay lonterm ki pou bezwen sipor Legzekitiv en kantite.

Alors i enportan ki nou komans fer li e nou osi lo kote Legzekitiv nou byen remersye biro Attorney Zeneral.

Attorney Zeneral li menm avek son staff ki’n ankouraz sa direksyon ki nou pe al ladan e sa bann demars revizyon Lalwa.

Mr Speaker, Onorab Pillay in dir avek e i korek ki sa ki nou pe legzersis ki konpreansiv.
E ki sa i pou bezwen en sanzman mindset pou nou kapab vwar tou bann laspe, ki mannyer sa bann Lalwa apre sa bann reform i konekte avek kanmarad.

i en fer Sertennman dakor avek sa, en sanzman mindset, akoz tou sa bann lannen kot nou ti annan en sel kalite mindset, la prezan mon pe vwar poudir nou pe avans dan en direksyon enteresan.

Parey pou reponn kestyon lo Onorab Pillay lo son legzizans, e son demann ki sa bann demars pa ganny tarni, pa ganny tainted, pa ganny tente par bann konsiderasyon politik.
i Sa en keksoz ki sertennman mon konpran ki Onorab Pillay pe dir, akoz li i annan konesans ki mannyer bann keksoz i kapab vin politize, akoz in dan Legzekitiv tou sa bann lannen.

E bokou sa bann desizyon in politiz.

Me la ou pou vwar atraver leksplikasyon ki Mr Knights i ava donnen, se ki sa prosedir li menm, ki mannyer i deroule i form bottom to top.

I komans a nivo pli ba e se bann konsern bann sitwayen e bann Avoka e bann profesyonnel ki monte, e ki apre i ariv o nivo politik.
Akoz en desizyon politik pou bezwen ganny pran e amwens ki Onorab Pillay ou pa anvi ki en desizyon politik i ganny pran akoz i pou bezwen ganny vote par Lasanble Nasyonal.

E sa i en propozisyon ki’n ganny fer.

I pou bezwen ganny sanksyonnen e sa i en desizyon politik.

Mon pa konnen, kekfwa ou devret ankor.

reflesir Kekfwa ou pa anvi sa.

Akoz, me nou napa swa.

Se sa kote latab ki’n ganny plis vot ki sa kote.

Sa kote pou bezwen pran bann desizyon final.

So, mon pa vwar sa koman en keksoz ki mal.


Mon vwar sa la demokrasi ki pe koman deroule.

Alors, mon krwar ki nou pou bezwen aksepte ki anfen kont pou annan en direksyon, en desizyon ki pou bezwen 42 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 14th July, 2021 ganny pran e sa pou ganny pran par Lasanble Nasyon, ki mon krwar i ava pran en desizyon inanim (fotespere) si sa i arive.

Komite.

Korek?

So, mon krwar nou ti a pli byen swiv prosedir.


Termin ou repons, apre nou a fer lezot prosedir e nou ava al dan Komite apre.

Lot pwen se ki si mon’n byen konpran Onorab Pillay, ou’n osi tous en pe lo sa bann pouvwar ki Law Revision Commissioner i annan.

I annan en kantite pouvwar.

Vreman, vreman en kantite pouvwar e pou li amande, pou li asiste, pou li met ansanm.

E me selman sa bann pouvwar pou sa ganny konsiltasyon ki mon’n dir pou ganny fer, dan en fason tre konpreansiv.
balanse par E apre sa tou bann amannman ki pou ganny fer, devan pou Lasanble Nasyonal.

ganny mete Alors, mon krwar ki rol Lasanble i ganny garanti, i ganny respekte.

E ki sa pou Gouvernman i en keksoz ki vreman enportan.

Avan mon fer mon konklizyon, mon ti a kontan envit Mr Knights pou li akoz lo sa de pwen.

MR SPEAKER En moman Minis.


Dapre sa ki mon rapel, bann pwen ki’n ganny leve ki ou’n fer referans avek i bann pwen spesifik ki ganny adrese dan kapab THE DESIGNATED MINISTER MR JEAN-FRANCOIS FERRARI Ok. Wi, ou annan rezon Mr Speaker.

Mersi bokou e mon zis en fraz en konklizyon, ki Legzekitiv i konsider sa proze ki devan nou koman en keksoz vreman enportan, parey mon’n dir dan mon statement.
i pwennvi E nou demande ki tou bann ganny konsidere e tou zefor i ganny mete pou nou finalman retrouv nou avek en seri Lalwa ki modern, ki efikas e ki efikas e ki permet Sesel antre dan lot letap son devlopman, ki pou enn tre challenging.

Alors mon demann tou dimoun, tou bann Manm pou donn zot sipor e annan ou travay dan en sel direksyon pou nou ganny sa fer byen.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi Minis.

Avek sa nou a pas lo vot lo general merit of the Bill.
Manm ki an faver sa Bill lo general merit lanmen silvouple.

Ok, Madanm Clerk, okenn Manm ki kont?

Byen, lo kestyon lo general merit of the lev 43 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 14th July, 2021 Statutes Law Revision, 2021.

21 Manm in vot pour, 0 kont e 9 abstansyon.

Alors sa Bill in aprouve lo general merit Second Reading.

Ok, mon a envit Madanm Clerk pou fer Second Reading sa Bill.

si nou pas an zeneral lo serten sa ki’n mete?

An dot mo, mon pe gete ki ‘’ savedir sa ‘’agreed Mersi.
E Mr Knights, kot i ariv pwen ki ou bezwen entervenir la i ava le moman.

legal.

MADAM CLERK Mersi Mr Speaker.

A Bill for an Act to make amendments to certain enactments and to repeal the Ministers (Number) Decree, Cap.

131.

Mersi Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER Mersi Madanm Clerk.

Avek sa nou a kapab pas dan Staz Komite.

Sergeant.
Sergeant.

Mon ti a kontan demann en pti leklersisman, mon sipoze parey normal nou a komans avek Bill’s Committee e anmezir nou ale avek Bill’s Committee, si bann Manm i vwar zot anvi entervenir a en serten pwen, annou fer li anmennen ki nou pe desann.
Me selman mon anvi demann, mon vwar en draft, en track version kot in annan plizyer pwen, kot in met ‘’agreed legal.’’ Mon ti a kontan si Onorab Andre ler i pran laparol i eksplik mwan, si sa in fini dakor, ki nou pou fer, si nou pou al enn par enn lo la oubyen HON CLIFFORD ANDRE Mersi Mr Chair.

Mr Chair, zis pou eksplike kot in met ‘’agreed legal.’’ An vi ki nou legal officer i osi nouvo, tou bann pwen ki’n ganny agree, li in met en track version comme quoi is agreed.

this So, nou pa pou tous lo la.


Mon pou tous lo bann ki nou annan keksoz pou nou fer avek pou gete ki panel i annan lo la pou dir e si i annan lezot Manm ki anvi kontribye.

MR SPEAKER Tre byen.

Mr Knights please raise your hand when you feel it’s the point that you need to address.

Onorab Andre, yes.

HON CLIFFORD ANDRE Mt Chair.

Mon pou komans avek 4.

Clause 4.

Appointment of Law Revision Commissioner.


Komite pe propoze ki nou met the by President may, instrument under the Public Seal, appoint a Law Revision shall Commissioner who 44 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 14th July, 2021 prepare the revised.

Nou tir ‘to’ nou met ‘who shall’.

MR SPEAKER Mr Knights, I see you shaking your head.

I think it’s agreed.

HON CLIFFORD ANDRE So, the next clarification, in fact I just spotted is in clause 6 of 3.A it refers to subsection (3) of the same Clause.
But subsection (3) states The Committee shall provide assistance the Commissioner in implementing this Act.

Because subsection (6) say There shall be paid to the members of the Committee and the persons appointed under subsection (3).

to doesn’t Whereas subsection any say (3) appointments.

Maybe it is a mistake.

I don’t know, I would just like to have a clarification with regards to this.

MR SPEAKER Yes, Mr Knights.


PRINCIPAL ASSISTANT STATE COUNSEL MR STEFAN KNIGHTS Honorable can you just please repeat the provision?

HON CLIFFORD ANDRE Ok, sub (6) of 3.A states ‘’There shall be paid to the members of it’s talking the Committee and the person appointed under subsection (3).

So, about appointment under subsection (3).

But when we look at 3.A sub (3), it states The Committee shall the provide assistance Commissioner in implementing this Act.

is no So, appointment under sub (3).


there to PRINCIPAL ASSISTANT STATE COUNSEL MR STEFAN KNIGHTS Yes, Honorable can you look at subsection (4).

HON CLIFFORD ANDRE Yes.

PRINCIPAL ASSISTANT STATE COUNSEL MR STEFAN KNIGHTS Ok, I understand what you mean.

But the intention was also to deal with the secretary and any other person that is appointed.

For instance, an expert in the companies law, an expert law who would assist with the revision.

So maybe subsection (4).


in offshore HON CLIFFORD ANDRE Subsection (4) instead of (3).

Ok.

So, we now move to 14.

Clause 14 on the document.

Offences.

MR SPEAKER 45 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 14th July, 2021 En moman Onorab Andre.

Kekfwa Leader Lopozisyon i annan en pwen antretan.

Wi.

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Mersi Mr Speaker.

Mr Speaker, I would like to clarify a point.


It seems to be a policy ambit, I didn’t want to raise it in the debate but it would be important for us to understand what the thinking is behind it.

According to the proposed amendments which we are now discussing.

When the office of the Commissioner is vacant, the Attorney General shall perform the the function Commissioner.

of In that respect, at that time the Attorney General was also the Law the Chairman at So, Revision Committee.
the essentially to intent is the Attorney that convey General, that the Revision Law Commissioner shall be the Chairperson of the Committee or is the intent conveyed that it is the Attorney General.

Because you see, you will create a confusion, a conflict here.

That vacancy creates a conflict in that both persons now exist at the time there is a vacancy.
I would like to understand whether the intent was to have the chairmanship of the Law the Revision Committee separate from Revision Commissioner or whether the intent was to have them one of the same.

Law And then one final point which I think needs clarity, is that I see no time frame set for the vacancy.

If it is vacant, should there be until, should we add as an abundance of caution until such time as a new Commissioner is appointed as per Section 3(1).
Thank you, Mr Speaker, MR SPEAKER Yes, Mr Knights.

PRINCIPAL ASSISTANT STATE COUNSEL MR STEFAN KNIGHTS Thank you for your question Honorable Pillay.

The intention at the end of this project is to repeal the Statute Law Revision Act.

the Minister explained at the end of the project, we intend to have a Law Commission and that Law Commission will be responsible for both Law Revision and Law Reform.
And as is Now, how things operate currently, the Law that Revision Commission more or less is a subordinate officer to the Attorney General.

46 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 14th July, 2021 And the Attorney General, if you are also looking at the actively section 12 can perform certain acts as well, in relation to publication of laws that the Law Revision Commissioner would usually carry out.
So, what we intent hear is that should the office become vacant, the Attorney General will perform that role in interim because the objective is for us to complete this project by the end of December, 2022.

So, between that period if it becomes vacant, then the AG will continue those functions and in respect of the Committee, the AG remains the Chairperson of the Committee.

Because at the end of the day, the Bill still have to go to the Cabinet as the Minister have pointed out.
So, this is why we wanted the AG more or less to be the Chairperson.

We didn’t want a Judge per se to be the Chairperson of the Committee.

MR SPEAKER Yes, Onorab Pillay.

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Thank you, Mr Speaker, very quick point.
I understand what Mr Knights is saying, but you see you raised an interesting point because if the intent was to the, let’s say for example in the current situation, the current Law Revision Commissioner resigns, so there is no Law Revision Commissioner and until such time as the President appoints a new Law Revision Attorney Commission, General shall perform the function of the Law Revision Commissioner.

Correct?

Right, for that period.


the is also period The Attorney General for the that Chairperson of the Law Revision Committee.

My question to you whether was that the intent.

The intent, was it to have the Attorney General performing both functions?

As the Chairperson of that Committee and as the Law Revision Commissioner.
If then that wasn’t the case, then why was the proviso added to - Not the proviso, but something added to subsection 4 to state that until such time as a Commissioner is appointed, so that we are clear.

Because you are saying that there will be some sort of a sunset Clause to this committee.

It will end in December, 2022.

Is that correct?

Is that what you are telling us?

Yes.

So, I think if that stays as is now.

Ok, this is as is now.


It means that for the period which we won’t have a Law Revision 47 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 14th July, 2021 the Attorney Commissioner, General will himself be the Chairman.

And I think, I have a concern with that.

In that the law itself was designed to be apart from the Attorney General in the first place.

The original Act.

MR SPEAKER Take Knights.


the mic please, Mr if I can PRINCIPAL ASSISTANT STATE COUNSEL MR STEFAN KNIGHTS Honorable, under the actual law, just find the provision for you.

The Attorney General also perform some functions of the Statue Law Commissioner Revision presently.

So, for instance, I’m just looking for provision here.

So, for the Attorney General instance can under, is section 10 and 4 of the Statue Law Revision Act.
this He can also do the publication and the gazetting of the laws.

He can also rectify certain clerical errors in the law, and he can distribute the laws as well to different agencies.

This is also a function of the Law Revision Commissioner.

So, yes, he cannot revise the law per se.

Yes, so, for us to deal with the issue right now going forward.

Because he is already stated clear to everyone that look, we are not using these powers that the Law Revision Commission presently has.
Some of these powers may not actually require us to come in the Assembly, but instead what we are doing now, we are coming to the Assembly with every single amendment that we in my are proposing.

humble view, I think the process is transparent so that you have complete oversight.

And MR SPEAKER Please let see if we can move on.

HON SEBATIEN PILLAY So that we can move on therein lies my problem.

This is what I wanted to get out.

You see, and I disagree with this.


So, that’s where I have a staking point, perhaps the Honorable Minister misunderstood and thought that I was making a political comment, which his turn make a political comment towards me.

But that was my point.

The Legislature is the only body under the Constitution that has the power to legislate.
So, maybe in my I’m wrong interpretation, but I feel that in that context this might be a usurpation of the role of the 48 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 14th July, 2021 National Assembly.

I may be wrong.

Thank you.

MR SPEAKER Yes, Mr Knights, you can address.

PRINCIPAL ASSISTANT STATE COUNSEL MR STEFAN KNIGHTS Yes Honorable Member, as I mentioned to you this is the law the that was passed by Assembly and we acknowledge that it may not be something that may fit well with the 1993 Constitution.
But for the time being we are not using section 5 and section 6.

Sorry, section 5.

The powers that are set up out there.

All the amendments are still being tabled to the Assembly, and I don’t think that there should be any difficulty moving forward in this manner.

MR SPEAKER Thank you, Mr Knights.

Onorab Andre, can you move ahead.

HON CLIFFORD ANDRE Mersi Mr Chair.

Nou lot, the other point was Clause 14.


It states ‘A person who knowingly makes any alteration to a revised edition of the Laws of Seychelles, with the intent to deceive any person as to the true text of the law, commits an on offence and conviction of to imprisonment not exceeding 5 years or a fine of level 4 on the standard scale’.

liable term is a The committee proposed that the following be inserted.
‘Standard scale established under the Criminal Offences (Standard Scale of Fines) Act, 2021, or to both such fine and imprisonment.’ reasons why is being made the The proposal is because the first time and it just refers to standar scale.

So, we wanted to have it inserted here, so that the person reading the law can easily know what it refers to and then they will probably refer to the particular law.

That’s the proposal for the Bills Committee.

MR SPEAKER Yes, let’s take that Mr Knights.


PRINCIPAL ASSISTANT STATE COUNSEL MR STEFAN KNIGHTS That you Mr Speaker.

We would suggest the words established under the Criminal Offences (Standard Scale of Fines) Act, 2021 are removed.

We have defined standard scale in the amendments to section 22 that 49 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 14th July, 2021 of the Interpretation of General Provisions Act.
If the the Members of Assembly have a concern about the Members of the Public knowing what the Standard Scale means, we can deal with this administratively.

also There will be instances where we are not increasing a fine in a law.

The office that we formally amend is the last office in the Act for instance.
So, we might have some it may be situation where inconsistent in that the first time you see Criminal Offences (Standard Scale of Fines) Act maybe in a prohibition that is found later in the said Act as oppose to the first reference in the Act.

under the Because (Standard Criminal Offences of Fines) Act we Scale automatically making those changes to the law.

They are only in certain instances that we will be changing the penalty were that penalty is inordinately low.
So, what we would suggest is that when in the law is republished, we simply have the standard scale and we have define said standard scale in section 22 of the IGPA.

Thank you.

MR SPEAKER Mersi.

Onorab Andre can we agree with that?

HON CLIFFORD ANDRE Mr Chair.

I believe it is up to the Assembly, I feel that if it is, if there is no harm, I see no reason why not in setting it.

But if the explanation given and the Assembly is satisfied, I will go the Assembly with what believes is fine.
MR SPEAKER Yes, Mr Knights.

PRINCIPAL ASSISTANT STATE COUNSEL MR STEFAN KNIGHTS Mr Speaker, so for us we would have no difficulty if we keep it.

But with the understanding that when the laws were published those word will be removed during the republication of the laws.

And the reason for it as I would have mention is that when you insert this provision, you might have offence created at section 6.
But we are not amending that offence in the Assembly because the Criminal (Standard Scale of Offences have Act would Fines) automatically that offence.

changed 50 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 14th July, 2021 into look increase And then when you come down to section 8, this is when we the penalty.

And this is the first time you actually seen it in the law.

So, we may have some inconsistency in some of the law.
So, what we would suggest is that if this is done, the publication then during process we can simply just omit these words.

Thank you.

MR SPEAKER Thank you.

Onorab Andre, what I propose is that we carry on.

At the end of the Committee Stage I will ask the House if specific there amendments and we can see if we can take this.

You want to address this Onorab Georges?

any is HON BERNARD GEORGES Just Chair, with your permission.

this particular one Mr MR SPEAKER Yes.


urge I would HON BERNARD GEORGES Yes, the Honourable Chair of the Bills Committee not to insist on this amendment, because otherwise if we do it here, we are going to have to do it every time that there is a new law that mentions the standard scale.

Whilst it is a lot easier to just have it in one place which is the IGPA and that will trump every other law.

Thank you.

MR SPEAKER Thank you.

So, Onorab Andre we will move on.


HON CLIFFORD ANDRE Now we move to clause 12.

Mr Chair.

(b) there was a proposal to inset ‘Court of Appeal’ and it would read as such “Court of Appeal” means Court of Appeal of Seychelles established by the Constitution, Cap 42”.

MR SPEAKER Mr Knights, are you addressing this?

Agreed?

Agree.

it comes HON CLIFFORD ANDRE And where to Magistrates Mr Chair.

At the end of the word Magistrate to insert ‘‘in accordance with the Courts Act, Cap 52’’.

MR SPEAKER Agreed.
MR SPEAKER Agreed.

HON CLIFFORD ANDRE Mr Chair, then comes the issue of minor where we have a definition under the Civil Code of Seychelles Act, Cap 33, Article 388.

And we also have a definition in the Children’s Act.

51 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 14th July, 2021 I’m just trying to bring to the fore that this a definition of minor and then the definition of child in the Children’s Act.
So, are we going it uniform everywhere or we are going to leave it as it is and have the definition in this defend as the one in 388 of the Civil Code of Seychelles, Act?

to make minor is a person of either sex who has not yet reached the full age of eighteen.

Then we would put at the end of it, as defined in Article 388 of the Civil Code of Seychelles Act, Cap 33.

Would that be suitable?

MR SPEAKER Yes, Mr Knights.

MR SPEAKER Yes, Mr Knights.


PRINCIPAL ASSISTANT STATE COUNSEL MR STEFAN KNIGHTS Honorable Member I will suggest we keep the original definition.

The Interpretation of General Provisions, Act is only use were the specific law does not have a definition of the term.

So on the different law you may find different definition for a minor or you might find a different definition for a child.
And we would suggest that it’s only in those instances where there’s no definition of a minor that’s when you come to the Interpretation General Provisions, Act.

Thank you.

of HON CLIFFORD ANDRE Ok, so now we would have to amend the definition of minor to reflect the one as 388 of the Civil Code which states as such.

A PRINCIPAL the proposal ASSISTANT STATE COUNSEL MR STEFAN KNIGHTS Honorable Member, we do not to agree with change the definition.
We are suggesting that you keep the proposed definition as we explain that the definition of minor, you don’t, it may vary from law to law and this is just a simple definition that we’ve used here in this instance.

And in the future, you may also after we look at this same definition in itself, Honorable Member.

you HON CLIFFORD ANDRE Can I now try and get the definition are that suggesting?

Because 388 is different from what is there.

That’s what I’m saying.


So, just tell us the definition that you think is right or should remain.

MR SPEAKER 52 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 14th July, 2021 Mr Knights, you want to answer that?

PRINCIPAL ASSISTANT STATE COUNSEL MR STEFAN KNIGHTS Mr Speaker, we have provided the definition and we are suggesting that we use the that was original definition proposed.

HON CLIFFORD ANDRE So, we leave the definition as minor means a natural person under the age of 18.
This was the definition that was given.

MR SPEAKER That’s it, yes.

HON CLIFFORD ANDRE Is that correct Mr Knights?

So, that we get it correctly.

So, this is what you want to be kept.

MR SPEAKER Thank you.

Yes, Mr Knights.

Andre, PRINCIPAL ASSISTANT STATE COUNSEL MR STEFAN KNIGHTS Honorable these proposal from the Honorable Leader of Government Business, Sorry, Honorable Leader of Opposition in relation to the definition of property, I don’t know if this is something that you want to consider.
We have had a look at the definition that the Honorable Member had proposed and it is a bit more comprehensive than what we presently have.

Thank you.

MR SPEAKER So, are we taking?

I think this is the the points one of Minister wanted to address.

Yes, you want to make a further point.

that HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Thank you, Mr Speaker.


Mr Speaker, the point I made because when the inconsistency arose in the definition of poverty in our laws, it affected our Law Enforcement Agency in terms of it disparity that existed in other country.

And you know we still have this issue under ‘’mutual issues of information.’’ And different components of property are considered as in different ways, in different jurisdictions.
So, I think what happened was that when we amended our AML-CFT we amended the definition of property so that we could make it as comprehensive as possible.

Given that the IGP, I was looking at it in reverse.

I was looking at the IGPA being the law sort of that trumps every 53 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 14th July, 2021 law, why don’t we have the comprehensive definition in the IGPA and then subsequent the definition can come in.
Because I felt that this definition did not really reflect issue of bank accounts and other forms of property.

The one which you have in the IGPA currently which have been proposed.

consider That’s why I’ve put the point to the Minister whether he would as something that needs to be changed and I think this is what Mr Knights is referring to if I’m not mistaken.

Thank you, Mr Chairman.

that MR SPEAKER Onorab Andre, yes.

issue is one HON CLIFFORD ANDRE Thank you, Mr Chair.
Mr Chair, this that we debated heavily in the Bills the Bills and Committee Committee was also proposing that AML definition is placed in this section of the IGPA, so that it will would have wider meaning.

That was something that we recommended.

MR SPEAKER Ok, will see.

Yes LGB.

HON BERNARD GEORGES there Thank you, Mr Chair.


Mr Chair, in principal is no disagreement but the AML-CFT definition will have to be further polish because there are some references in it to the AML-CFT situation which might not obtain generally.

But in principal, yes if Mr Knights could propose, perhaps not now but between now and when we tidy up the Bill, if the Assembly agrees that we can entrust this matter to the panel and to the Bills Committee then we could pass the Bill today, thank you.
MR SPEAKER Thank you, Mr Knights, how do you see this?

PRINCIPAL ASSISTANT STATE COUNSEL MR STEFAN KNIGHTS Thank you, Mr Speaker, we can the definition and work on submit it to the Bills Committee.

MR SPEAKER Thank you.

Yes Chairman.

HON CLIFFORD ANDRE Thank you, Mr Chair.

We go to the definition of publication.

Sorry, Seychelles, the definition of Seychelles.

My apologies.
My apologies.

Rule which is before Seychelles means rules under an Act in 54 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 14th July, 2021 which the word “rules” is used the context so and where provides order, regulation by law.

We remove the ‘e’, it’s not bye in terms of bye-bye, but it’s ‘by’ – ‘b y’.

includes Seychelles at the end of Constitution we add Cap 42.

MR SPEAKER Agreed ok. HON CLIFFOR ANDRE Clause 13.

Where it says, at the end of Gazette Act, 2020 it instead of should be 2020 2021?
MR SPEAKER Agreed, yes.

Andre.

Next Onorab HON CLIFFORD ANDRE When it comes to Clause 16 amending section 64.

Minister Ferrari stated in his summing- up that once the quashing of an S.I.

is done it should be the responsibility of to publish.

the AG But the way the law is reflected now it becomes the responsibility of the Assembly.

So, I was just trying to get a wording that would reflect what is being said.
Because now the wording said ‘If the National Assembly, within a period of 3 months copy of any beginning with the day on which a statutory instrument is laid before the National Assembly, passes a resolution to annul any statutory instrument, National Assembly shall cause an Order to be published in the Gazette repealing’.

So, can we have some clarity in the wording?

the before Because, Mr Knights take over.


And then it continues to say’’ the statutory instrument, which shall cease to have effect thereafter, but any such Order shall be without prejudice the validity of anything previously done under the statutory instrument.

to And the other subsection (3), because the same thing Mr Chair, so that Mr Knights takes it altogether.

MR SPEAKER Yes.
in HON CLIFFORD ANDRE And when we look at subsection (3) where in pursuance of subsection (2) a resolution is respect of any passed statutory thereof which imposes a tax, duty, fee or similar impost, such existing tax, duty, fee and similar impost shall upon the passing of the resolution revive and remain National valid instrument until the 55 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 14th July, 2021 Assembly publishes an Order in the Official Gazette repealing the statutory instrument.” it’s So, imposing the responsibility on the National Assembly.
Whereas when the Minister gave it summing-up, he said once we conclude with the procedure in the Assembly and it is now in the responsibility of the Attorney General to have the Order published.

So, just so we have clarity and then we don’t say that the law, we haven’t done our bit and probably the Attorney General haven’t done their bit.

MR SPEAKER Ok, Mr Knights will you address that?

PRINCIPAL ASSISTANT STATE COUNSEL MR STEFAN KNIGHTS Yes, Mr Speaker.
Mr Speaker, this procedure is a procedure that is more or less adopted under the digitalization and publication of Gazette Act, 2020.

What happens is that any person who has the power to make a repeal, to a statutory instrument, that person would then send the S.I.

to the Attorney General to publish.

The Attorney General doesn’t question the decision or the substance of the S.I.

He simply publishes the S.I., what the person or authority would have made.
So, for instance when you have the National Assembly Standing Order, when you make a resolution here, what you usually do is to send that Standing Order to the AG to publish in the Gazette.

So, it’s the same process here when you annul the S.I.

You simple send the SI, send the proposed S.I.

to be published in the Gazette.

And we can publish this within an hour or less.

Thank you, Mr Speaker.


HON CLIFFORD ANDRE So, in view of this, if I may propose, (statutory) a instrument shall cause an order to be published.

Can we have also similar wording in sub (3) ‘the National Assembly shall cause the Order to be published in the Official Gazette’.

In the Gazette.

I’m just trying to have consistency with sub (2) and sub (3).

MR SPEAKER Mr Knights, are you addressing this?


ASSISTANT STATE COUNSEL MR STEFAN KNIGHTS PRINCIPAL 56 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 14th July, 2021 Mr Speaker, I don’t really see any harm in keeping or adopting the the Honourable Member, Mr Andre.

You can keep what we have or we can make the amendment.

proposal from And Mr Speaker, whilst I have the floor, we also wish to address the proposal to change the word to ‘Official ‘Gazette.

We would propose that you simply keep the word Gazette.
Gazette is already defined in the interpretation in General Provisions Act.

It said that Gazette have the same meaning assign to it under schedule (2) of the Constitution.

And includes Official Gazette supplement to the Official Gazette and Extraordinary Gazette published on the authority of the Government in printed or in digital format.

So, it doesn’t haven’t to be official in the Official Gazette, because you can also publish in Extraordinary this Order Gazette.
So, we would humbly ask that all references to Official Gazette is removed and we simply keep Gazette.

Thank you.

MR SPEAKER Agree?

HON CLIFFORD ANDRE Mr Chair, in fact we are not oppose to insert ‘Official’.

We have already left it as Gazette.

So it was not a proposal.

MR SPEAKER Onorab Andre, just permi me to address, I do have to adjourn by 12.30, so I wonder if your other points will need considerable time?

I can afford maybe being 5 minutes late but I do need as a courtesy to be available.
What is your opinion?

MR SPEAKER Mr Chair, there is about 5 more proposals and they are not long proposal, they are just … MR SPEAKER Ok, I will take a risk.

Yes.

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Thank you, Mr Speaker.

Mr Speaker, I would like to query something in relation to the section we are currently looking at which is section 64.

An introduction of this new section 3, subsection (3) in relation to resolution the passed National Assembly that relates to the imposition of a tax, duty, fee or similar impost.
by The previous Act did not mention of that distinction.

I mean IGPA currently does not make mention of that distinction.

57 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 14th July, 2021 the look at And when we Constitution Article 90, it currently says in relation to talk about the imposition of taxes etcetera and whatnot.

Now, I want to maybe just with a few, just quickly if Mr Knights can explain, why has this been introduced here?

Because before that it was wide.


We didn’t have a derogation whether we were dealing with taxes or anything else.

Why introduce it here?

Thank you, Mr Chairman, with your permission.

MR SPEAKER Thank you.

Mr Knights, yes.

tax PRINCIPAL ASSISTANT STATE COUNSEL MR STEFAN KNIGHTS Yes, thank you Mr Speaker.

So, laws, what the with happens.


Everyone doesn’t know when the Assembly is about to make a decision in relation to a tax law and we also have S.Is related to Hedge instance whereby Funds for someone may pay 5000US or 500US in those matters.

So, we were suggesting that if the payment is made before is annulled, Government should be able to keep that money unless you have the S.I.

on the Law Books the S.I.

that’s when you will stop collecting the money.

But until the S.I.
But until the S.I.

is published, you can to collect whatever continue money that is paid.

Thank you.

MR SPEAKER Thank you.

Wi Onorab Andre, yes.

HON CLIFFORD ANDRE Mr Chair, in fact looking at the proposed amendments was simply to add ‘as established under the Criminal Offences Standard’, which we said we would not do so.

So there seems to be or I there’s no other confirmed amendments that needs to be done to the proposed law.

So, I would close my case.

MR SPEAKER Thank you.

Mr Knights, yes.


PRINCIPAL ASSISTANT STATE COUNSEL MR STEFAN KNIGHTS Honourable, Mr Andre we would propose that the word ‘vice- presidential oath’ is placed in capital is letters so that consistence with the other Oath.

The ‘presidential oath’ in capital letter.

The ‘official oath of allegiance’ is also in capital letter.
is it 58 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 14th July, 2021 So, we would humbly propose that ‘vice-presidential oath’ is in capital letters and you remove the bold.

Thank you.

MR SPEAKER Thank you.

agreeable?

You find this HON CLIFFORD ANDRE Yes.

MR SPEAKER Ok.

Thank you, chairman, for your input.

I think the only point that you raised have been dealt with and we don’t have any amendments to take to the floor.

LGB?

HON BERNARD GEORGES Thank you, Mr Chair.


Mr Chair, I’m conscious of the fact that we have 3 minutes remaining.

I will do this within the time available.

I have a little question with regard to Clause 16 just for my own edification.

What have we done with regards to, on the top of the following page in Clause 16 with the proposed insertion of ‘which shall ceased to have effect thereon, but’…?

Do we, are these these inserted or are accepted or not?

This is a proposal by the Bills Committee.


MR SPEAKER Thank you.

Mr Knight are you …?

HON BERNARD GEORGES 16(2).

statutory After instrument, 3 lines from the bottom.

There’s a proposal to insert ‘which shall cease to have effect thereupon, but’...

PRINCIPAL ASSISTANT STATE COUNSEL MR STEFAN KNIGHTS Thank you for that.

I think we would go back to ‘and.’ Because we had, the proposal.

The original was ‘’and any such Order shall be without prejudice the validity of anything to previously done.
‘’ Thank you.

MR SPEAKER Yes LGB.

it HON BERNARD GEORGES Very briefly Mr Chair.

The last minute available.

Subclause (3) of Clause 16.

I have difficulty with I don’t because understand it and I apologise for that.

Where a resolution is passed in respect under section 2.

Which is an annulment, a quashing.

Yeah, is that correct?

Ok, so when the Assembly quashes an S.I.

which imposes a tax duty or fee or whatever, that has the effect on the quashing, what is revived?
Is it the 59 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 14th July, 2021 previous tax that is revived and if so, should we say so?

Thank you.

MR SPEAKER Mr Knights.

PRINCIPAL ASSISTANT STATE COUNSEL MR STEFAN KNIGHTS Yes, please.

So, when you quash a law automatically it comes to an end.

But what we are saying here, even though it is quashed.

Until the S.I.

is it published prolongs.

the Gazette in MR SPEAKER Yes.

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY This is the issue that we have.
When they send you a part about it will remain until the Order We is published.

understand that part.

That makes sense.

But you are talking about it revived.

So, the question is, what is revived?

We don’t see what is revived.

Are you saying that the previous is that cannot be revised but because the annulment kills the previous impost?

impose When you make a new S.I., kills the previous one, so it’s no longer there.

So, I think I want to understand.

I see your point.
I see your point.

You don’t want anything due to the Government to be paid to Government to be lost.

Right?

And you are trying to ensure that doesn’t happen.

But are you conveying that clearly here?

Or I’m not sure.

right?

whether And then quick point, if you look at 90(b).

90 (b) of the I’m Constitution, wondering the Assembly can even move into a resolution that effect, because a fee is a debt to the Government, right?

Unless I’m mistaken or there is another understanding of it.
MR SPEAKER Yes, Mr Knights.

PRINCIPAL ASSISTANT STATE COUNSEL MR STEFAN KNIGHTS Mr Speaker, I understand where the Leader of the opposition is going with this.

Any power that is delegated to any person or public authority to make any law.

Be it a tax law, financial sector law.

That law can be quashed by the Assembly.

What section 90 says is that you cannot deal with certain tax matter that are put before the House in a Bill.
It doesn’t deal with issues relating 60 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 14th July, 2021 to subsidiary legislation.

Thank you.

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY You see Mr Chairman, I want to get this right so that we are sure about this.

You don’t want to create a situation where we pass law.

So, this is going to be my final word on this.

A resolution comes by with of a Motion.

If I’m you read 90(b), unless mistaken, it says proceed on to any Motion.

In that context the Motion will be reducing the debt.
So, this will be nulled unless again I’m saying I’m totally misunderstanding things.

If you read 19(b) of the Constitution you would get my gist.

MR SPEAKER Yes, Mr Knights.

PRINCIPAL ASSISTANT STATE COUNSEL MR STEFAN KNIGHTS Mr Speaker, again article 90 if the Constitution deal with issues related to a Bill and any amendments to the Bill doesn’t extend to statutory instruments.

So, I think it is clear that it deals with the imposition of taxes and financial matters.
MR SPEAKER Ok, will settle it their Mr Knights.

I that we’ve exhausted the proposal.

LGB.

think with HON BERNARD GEORGES No, we haven’t Mr Chair, with all due respect, but I am conscious of your next appointment.

Because I still have an issue with regards to subclause (3).

Shall I do it now?

MR SPEAKER Yes.

HON BERNARD GEORGES Thank you.

And that is - One of them is the word repealing in the last line.

We don’t repeal.

We annul.


So perhaps that’s the- But what is the intent and this is what I can’t understand.

If it read ‘’Where in pursuance of subsection (2) a resolution is passed annulling any statutory instrument which imposes a tax, duty, fee or similar impost, such existing tax, duty, fee or similar impost shall upon the passing of the resolution revive’’.

I would have understood that.

It means if we quash an S.I.

which imposes a tax, the to our tax prior previous quashing comes is revived.
I understand that.

And if that is the intention, then I think we can rework this.

61 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 14th July, 2021 Because if we then go on to say, until we publish an Order annulling or repealing, it simply revives for that little period of time between our quashing and the publication which is not, I don’t think the intention.

if to So, we might need rework the that.


And Assembly wishes to give us the mandate to do so, we’ll be very happy to do it to reflect the intention of the Assembly so as not to prolong the debate.

Thank you.

MR SPEAKER That you.

Mr Knights can we go with that proposal?

This will be looked at.

Thank you.

Ok, with that we will move back to the Assembly.

With that, LGB ou pare pou anmenn Mosyon pou Third Reading of the Bill?

HON BERNARD GEORGES Mersi Mr Speaker.


Mr Speaker, anba Order 76(1) mon move ki Statutes Revision Law Amendments) (Miscellaneous Bill, 2021 as amended i ganny lir en Trwazyenm Fwa.

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER Mersi, nou a pran vot lo sa Bill.

Manm ki an faver lev lanmenm silvouple.

Eskiz mwan, nou pa ankor segonde, mon pe al en pti pe tro vit.

Secondment lo sa Bill silvouple.

HON REGINA ESPARON Mr Speaker, Mosyon in ganny segonde.

MR SPEAKER Onorab Esparon, mersi.

Wi, nou a pran vot lo sa Bill.


Manm ki an lanmen silvouple?

Ok, ou’n ganny sa Madanm Clerk?

Okenn Manm ki kont?

Byen.

faver lev Mersi.

Lo kestyon Formal Third Reading of the Statutes Law Revision.

Eskiz mwan mon bezwen lir sa byensir.

Formal Third Reading, the Statutes Law Revision (Miscellaneous Amendments) Bill, 2021 as amended in ganny 22 vot pour, 0 vot kont e 9 abstansyon.
Alor mon deklare ki sa Bill in aprouve par Lasanble e avek sa i reste mwan pou envit Madanm Clerk pou fer Formal Third Reading.

MADAM CLERK Mersi Mr Speaker.

This Act may be cited as the Statute Law Revision (Miscellaneous Amendments) Act, 2021.

Mersi Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER Thank you.

Bon nou’n ariv a lafen nou travay lo sa Bill e Bill 62 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 14th July, 2021 in aprouve par Lasanble.

Nou a kapab pran poz la.


E mon pe proze ki nou komans en pe pli tar apre midi akoz i annan bann komite ki pou meet e ki pou ganny en pe retar.

Alors nou a komans 2.30.

Madanm Clerk ou a fer le neseser pou enform Minis ki pe vini apre midi pou nou fer sa.

Mersi bokou tou Manm.

Mersi Minis Ferrari e Mr Knights pou zot partisipasyon e bonn apre midi.

Nou adjourn.

(BREAK) swiv MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Bonn apre mdii tou Manm Onorab e tou bann dimoun ki pe Lasanble travay Nasyonal pou sa Merkredi atraver medya.
Pou kontinyasyon nou progranm travay ozordi nou annan en dezyenm pou konsidere.

Donk, nou ti ava move Mosyon, LGB pou fer Second Reading antretan ki nou ava al, kapab al kriy bann panelist touzour.

Prozedlwa Wi, nou annan en pwen.

Onorab Lemiel.

HON SYLVANNE LEMIEL Bonn apre midi Mr Speaker.

Bonn apre midi tou mon bann koleg e tou dimoun a lekout.

Mr Speaker, nou annan en sanzman ki nou pou anonse lo kote komite, lo kote nou group.
Se Onorab Audrey Vidot ki pou Sebastien ranplas Onorab Pillay lo Komite Ladefans.

Mersi.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi pou enform Lasanble sa sanzman e Chairman Komite Ladefans, Onorab Andre ou avan fer bann swiv pou fer bann le neseser akoz mon krwar i annan kestyon pret serman.

Donk, LGB?

HON BERNARD GEORGES Bonn apre midi Mr Deputy Speaker.

Bonn apre midi tou bann Manm.

Mr Deputy Speaker, anba Order 69(2) mon move ki the Agency for Social Protection (Amendment) Bill, 2021 i ganny lir en Dezyenm Fwa.
Mersi.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi Onorab.

Panelist welcome.

Onorab Naidu, ou ki pe segonn?

Onorab Esparon.

HON REGINA ESPARON Mersi Mr Speaker.

Mosyon in ganny segonde.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi Onorab.

Donk avan ki nou anvi Minis pou fer son prezantasyon lo sa Prozedlwa ki 63 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 14th July, 2021 for Social Protection Agency (Amendment) Bill, 2021, nou ava welcome Minis pou Lanplwa e Zafer Sosyal, Mrs Patricia Francourt avek nou.
E ozordi i akonpannyen par Ms. Brenda Morin ki Sef Egzekitiv Lazans Proteksyon Sosyal.

I osi annan Ms Juliana Augustin, ki Head of Compliance avek Ms. Julia Jean ki Legal Draftsman, swa draftsperson kot Lofis Attorney Zeneral.

Donk nou ava dir zot tou byenveni e nou ava envit Minis pou fer son prezantasyon.

PATRICIA MINISTER FRANCOURT Mersi Deputy Speaker.

Bonn apre midi Deputy Speaker, zafer Gouvernman, Leader Leader Lopozisyon e lezot bann Manm Onorab e osi bann ki pe ekout dan lakour.
Mon annan plezir prezant sa Prozedlwa Agency for Social (Amendment) Bill, Protection 2021 pou reviz e amenn bann provizyon konsern ki kalifikasyon an relasyon avek lapwentman manm Board sa Lazans.

Dapre Agency for Social Protection Act, sa Lazans i ganny administre par en Board ki konpri 7 manm apwente par Prezidan Larepiblik.

E zot bann i kriter koumsa ; ganny restrikte 1) En reprezant Minister 3) 2) Lanplwa.

En Minister ki responsab zafer sosyal.

En reprezantan Minister ki responsab Finans.


ki responsab En reprezantan Lasanm Komers Sesel, SCCI.

En reprezantan sorti kot Sosyete Sivil Sesel, ki devret ganny nominen par lofis lyezon pou bann Lorganizasyon Non-Gouvernmantal, (LUNGOS.)

De lezot manm ki ankor annan bon repitasyon ki Prezidan ava apwente.

i Prezidan servis piblik apwent chairperson sa Board parmi sa 7 manm.
An vi restriktirasyon anonse dan Prezidan par resaman Larepiblik, e ki pe ganny enplimante, sa Prozedlwa i annan pour bi e lobzektif re organize Lazans Board Proteksyon Sosyal e son travay pou li vin pli efikas, efektiv e prodiktiv.

Mr Speaker, sa Prozedlwa pe reviz kriter pou permet ki bann endividi ki ganny swazir pou form parti sa Board i annan sa konesans e konpetans neseser bon pou fonksyonnman sa Lazans.
asire Mr Speaker, sa Prozedlwa i propoze ki bann ki form parti sa Board i devret en personnaz 64 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 14th July, 2021 lentegrite e ki annan avek kalifikasyon e leksperyans dan domenn proteksyon sosyal, zafer sosyal, ladministrasyon piblik, odit, lasyans politik, zafer legal, finans, lekonomi, statistik e lamenazman biznes.
an konsekans sa lamannman dan seksyon 6 (1), seksyon 3(a) ek (b) Lalwa Lazans Proteksyon Sosyal bann manm egzistan sa Board pou nepli kontinyen deservi zot fonksyon e zot manda pou terminen.

Speaker, Mr Sa i ava ganny fer an swivan prosedir ki’n ganny etabli anba Lalwa.

I pou ganny swiv par lapwentman nouvo Board, ankor swivan prosedir anba Lalwa kouran ki pou permet zot komans deservi zot responsabilite.

Avek sa de mo, mon ti a kontan demann tou Manm sa Lasanble pou vot an faver sa Prozedlwa.
Mersi Mr Speaker.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi ou pou Minis prezantasyon.

Donk aprezan lasal i ouver pou deba lo merit zeneral sa Bill e ziska aprezan mon annan zis Onorab Sathya Naidu ki’n endike pou li koze.

Onorab Naidu.

HON SATHYA NAIDU Bonn ape midi Mr Speaker.

Bonn apre midi Minis ek ou delegasyon.

E en bon apre midi tou koleg Onorab e piblik an zeneral ki pe swiv sa sesyon.

Lamannman i enn ki tre senp, me sak lamannman ki nou fer pase dan sa Lasanble i vin avek en bi e sa se pou aktyel.
sityasyon amelyor Ozordi nou pe sey amelyor sityasyon aktyel ki konsern ASP.

Annefe seksyon 8 parent lo Agency Act for Social Protection i fer mansyon bann fonksyon ki Board i devret kapab deservi;- sa se pou met bann standards an plas ki pou asire ki tou bann Polisi i azour e napa okenn labi lo lafason ki i larzan Proteksyon Sosyal ganny zere, kot nou’n vwar dan lepase ki’n arive.

E nou bezwen kestyonn kwa ki’n arive dan lepase ek sa Board ki ti la.
Me mon swe se ki safwasi avek sa lamannman, nou pe vwar ki klerman nou pe met bann dimoun ki konpetan.

Menm si zot sorti dan diferan Minister, zot bann dimoun ki konpetan.

E nou pa pou vwar bann ka kot dan lepase nou’n annan bann lagreman kot zot in donn bal dan simityer ek plizyer lezot.
Ozordi pep Seselwa i le vwar en Board ki pou travay dan lentere 65 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 14th July, 2021 sa piblik, kot sak dimoun ki ava ganny en benefis i lo en baz kot i annan kriter spesifik ki ganny etabli.

E mon oule dir ki mon pou siport sa lamannman.

Mersi.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi Onorab Naidu.

E Onorab Leader Lopozisyon.

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Mersi Mr Speaker.

Mr Speaker mon pou vin direk lo provizyon lamannman ki’n ganny propoze e ki’n vin devan Lasanble.
Mon ti ava kontan ler zot pe koz merit e merit prensip zeneral sa Bill, ki Minis i eksplik nou rezondet sa 2 (b) as oppose tou sa ki ti la avan.

In fer serten kkomanter.

So petet pa rezondet, an konparezon met plito pou mon konpran sa enn ki la.

Ok?

I pou annan 7 Manm e sa bann dimoun of integrity ki ti deza la avan dan Lalwa presedan.

person sipoze I bann dimoun ki’n dir zot bezwen prosed klarifikasyon leksperyans dan Proteksyon Sosyal.
Ler mon regard Lalwa presedan, Lalwa ti fer kler ki sa bann reprezantan i sorti dan sa Minister e ou ekspekte ki dan bann sa Minister reprezantan i bann dimoun ki son annan klarifikasyon dan sa domenn.

Sa dimoun ki pou bezwen annan leksperyans dan Social Affairs, ladministrasyon piblik, lodit, me mon vwar osi lasyans politik.

E pou mwan, mwan sa ki mon oule se ki apwent en Board met en lot Board, sa ki mwan mon oule se ki asire ki lasistans ki dimoun i bezwen gannyen, zot kapab gannyen.
Sa i mon konsiderasyon prensipal.

E mon pa ti ava kontan dan prosesis ki nou pran pou nou sanz oubyen apwent en Board, nou fer li pli difisil pou nou donn led sa dimoun ki pe bezwen.

Se sa ki mon pe met devan la.

So si ou kapab eksplik mwan akoz en dimoun ki annan lekspertiz dan lasyans politik, ou pou annan 7 dimoun e ler mon get lakantite klarifikasyon ki i annan ou pou bezwen annan en dimoun ki posed klarifikasyon parfwa dan plis ki en domenn, ki pou bezwen met lo sa Board.
Me sa ki mon santi petet ti devret annan se ki sosyete sivil, i enn bann akter prensipal dan donn zot entervenir a en serten nivo dan bann sirkonstans kot dimoun, an zeneral pe rod en se soutyen oubyen pe rod en led.

oubyen sipor, 66 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 14th July, 2021 Dan sa konteks mon pran Red Cross ki pou mwan from mon perspektiv pou mwan ler mon gete Red Cross i en i form par sosyete sivil.
Dan mon leksperyans ler Lalwa i eksplisitman ekrir ki sosyete sivil i bezwen prezan, i pli fasil pou sosyete sivil egzize ki i ganny reprezantasyon.

Parkont ler en Lalwa par eksplisitman dir ki sosyete sivil i bezwen ladan, mon pa pe dir Gouvernman ki pou fer, sa i fer i ki sosyete sivil i bezwen bataye en li kapab pou reprezantasyon.
ganny Mon santi petet nou pe perdi en lot loportinite pou nou involve en diskisyon pli larz, sirtou dan bann desizyon ki led ki lasistans, konsern dimoun i bezwen atraver restrikte partisipasyon sosyete sivil ekrir dan Lalwa, pou ganny reprezante dan lo sa Board.

Mon osi santi poudir lasyans politik i parfwa dekoul dan mon bezwen servi sa term dan lapros partizan, e ki parfwa i kapab anmenn ou pran konsiderasyon partizan above konsiderasyon bann kliyan ki pe rod soutyen avek ASP.
Mon konnen poudir mon lapros in enn ki petet en pti pe mon pa pou dir zot annan tunnel vision me en pti pe narrow akoz mon’n focus lo dimoun ki pe rod lasistans.

Akoz ASP apre tou i pa zis provide lasistans.

ASP i annan en rol pli larz ki bezwen zwe e se pou sa rezon ki mwan mon pe sey konpran sa restriktirasyon.

So Minis sey eksplik nou en pti pe pli an detay, sa lapros ki zot pe pran avek sa current Board, pou ki nou kapab pli apresye merit e prensip sa Prozedlwa sa proze lamannman ki devan nou ozordi.
Mersi Mr Speaker.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi Leader Lopozisyon.

E parey mon’n dir mon pa’n vwar okenn dimoun ki’n ganny endike, akoz mon pou frenm sa deba alors.

Ok la i annan de Manm.

Mon ava donn laparol Onorab Naidu.

E mon ti ava demann bann Manm annou pa zwe tranpe, akoz mon anvi annan en lide lekel ki oule koze pou nou kapab manage letan nou oule fini nou Order Paper ozordi.

Onorab Zialor.

Mersi.

HON NADDY ZIALOR Mersi Mr Deputy.

Mon pa ti pou fer gran lentervansyon.


Mon ti oule pas zis en komanter petet an menm tan demann serten en leklersisman.

Mon krwar sa ki enportan ozordi se ki mwan letan mon pe 67 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 14th July, 2021 regard sa lamannman i anliny avek vizyon nouvo Gouvernman ler nou’n pran lofis le 25 Oktob, se ki anmenn en nouvo fason fer dan bann desizyon ki ti pe pase sirtou an se ki konsern sa Departman.
E mon santi ki i ava en loportinite pou vreman donn sa nouvo perspektiv kot nou pe regard ASP konman sa lazans ki pou enn, soutenir nou bann dimoun ki dan bezwen.

Me en keksoz ki enportan se ki depi ler nou annan en nouvo Gouvernman i dir ki nou bezwen donn lasistans lo merit, lo merit.

E mon panse sa i nide par deryer annan en nouvo Board ,avek serten nouvo fason vwar keksoz e fer keksoz.
Minis avek ou permisyon petet si ou ti ava eklersi nou osi ki fonksyon sa Board in terms of desizyon day-to-day in terms of laplikasyon?

Parske parfwa i annan dimoun i krwar se Board ki aprouv bann laplikasyon.

E par lenstans kot ou annan serten dimoun ki vwar li dan difikilte.

Eski dan Board of Appeal pou ankor egziste?

E ki relasyon pou annan ant actual Board and the Board of Appeal?
An menm tan mon ava profit sa lokazyon pou remersi, tou bann dimoun ki’n deservi Board ASP dan lepase e mon swete ki avek sa nouvo Board ki pe vini nou ava travay zot ava travay dan lentere Lepep Seselwa.

Mersi.

MR DSPEAKER Mersi Onorab Zialor.

E Onorab Woodcock.

HON WAVEL WOODCOCK Wi mersi Mr Speaker.

Mr Speaker mon pou konmanse (bomaten) pou koz … MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Apre midi.
HON WAVEL WOODCOCK Sorry, apre midi pou koriz en misapprehension, akoz mon santi poudir en statement ki Leader Lopozisyon in fer i pa donn zistis pou bann dimoun ki’n etidye political science.

En dimoun ki’n study political science, i pa vedir en dimoun ki neseserman en politisyen, ouswa i form par en parti politik ki pe fer bann aktivite politik partizan dan en parti politik.
I annan plizyer dimoun ki’n fer political science ki ozordi zot pe fer bann louvraz parey bann public relation specialist, legislative assistant, bann Polisi analyst, En dimoun ki’n etidye political science i en dimoun ki 68 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 14th July, 2021 konpran bann diferan political ideas.

diferan I annan en konprenezon lo lenstitisyon.

bann Bann processes, konportman behavior li lasosyete menm.

E konpran bann diferan kalite groupman ki form par en sosyete.
imen I konpran bann diferan ki mannyer i classes fonksyonnen income, high middle, low income.

E konpran en son pe Gouvernman fonksyonnman bann diferan Gouvernman e relevan ki zot bann lopinyon politik ;- si i sosyalis, si i kapitalis, si i dan milye e si liberal.

E i osi en dimoun ki konpran diplomacy avek Lalwa.

So annou pa ase konfiz Lepep Seselwa deor, pou donn lenpresyon poudir par lefe ki dan sa lamannman ki pe ganny anmennen, ki enn bann kriter ki pe ganny mete pou en dimoun vin lo sa Board.
I pa en dimoun ki’n study political science ki savedir Gouvernman i anvi anmenn politik dan ASP.

Akoz ler ou si ou pe get 2 (b) i kler ki i kler i annan en volim, i annan plizyer bann klarifikasyon bann kriter ki pe ganny mete, pou bann dimoun ki pou form parti sa Board.
Mon ava lir li, (b) ‘’the under appointed members integrity, paragraph (a) shall be persons of possessing qualifications and experiences in social protection, social affairs, public administration, audit, political science, legal finance, economics, matters, statistics business management.’’ and ki kalifikasyon Tousala i bann kriter ki bann osi enportan.

E ki mwan santi in fact i pou anmenn enparsyalite dan konponan sa nouvo Board ki Gouvernman ozordi le etabli.
i konponan Akoz si ou pou konpar sa lamannman, sa Board ki Gouvernman pe sey anmennen ozordi e pou konpar li avek sa Board avan, sa Board avan ti pli politize.

Akoz sa Board avan ti annan 3 politisyen lo la.

Minis Finans ki i ti en politisyen, Minis Social Affairs ki osi en politisyen e osi Minis Lanplwa.

Ti annan 3 politisyen lo Board avan.

E nou tou nou konnen ki mannyer keksoz ti marse avan.
Tou bann desizyon lo lekel ki ti ganny asistans, se obviously se sa bann Minis ki ti donn permisyon lekel ki pou ganny lasistans.

E lanmenm ler kot nou ti vwar sa zafer ‘’ek nou pa ek nou’’ dan kalite lasistans ki 69 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 14th July, 2021 bann dimoun ti pe gannyen.

Lekel ki ti pou kalifye pou ganny lasistans, lekel ki pa ti pou ganny kalifye pou ganny lasistans.
E nou ti vwar osi ki mannyer ASP ti ganny servi konman en zouti politik, pou donn lasistans bann dimoun ki ti siport zot parti dan lepase ;- Parti US, SPPF ek bann lezot non ki zot annan ankor.

Mon pa konnen si byento zot pou sanz li ankor en kou.

So i sa in lafason ki keksoz in ete avan ki, Gouvernman i le tir sa bann zafer politik.

Ti annan tro bokou lenfliyans.

E lenfliyans e akoz sa bann enterferans politik dan ASP dan lepase, ki nou’n vwar?

Nou’n vwar plizyer labi.

Nou’n vwar tro bokou labi.


Pa bokou letan pase ok mon pa lo la ’bal dan simityer’ me selman in annan plizyer bann ka koripsyon ki ozordi i lenvestigasyon par anba en ACCS.

Nou’n vwar in fact i annan bann ongoing investigation ki i piblik.

Mon pa pou al lo la.

Parey Leader Lopozisyon i dir, i subjudice.

Ok nou pa pou tous lo la.

E nou’n annan dan lepase ki obviously ti annan CEO dan ASP ki apre in vin Minis.
So ou konpran ki i annan bann Lagreman ki ti ganny negosye dan lepase, ki apre in kree en bann sityasyon ki ozordi sa Gouvernman pe sey deal avek, tir en pe sa bann pou irregularities ki nou annan dan Lazans Proteksyon Sosyal.

E mwan mon santi poudir lafason ki sa lamannman in ganny fer, e avek sa bann ganny kalifikasyon ki pe demande, a kriter pou en dimoun vin en manm lo sa Board, i pou annan en plis enparsyalite.

I pou in fact tir politik parey ti egziste dan lepase.
Kot ti annan bokou bann keksoz negativ ki ozordi in kree en uproar, en fristrasyon parmi piblik ozordi.

E mwan mon pe in fact felisit Gouvernman pou sa linisyativ pou sa lamannman ki pe anmennen, pou fer ki ASP from now i ava ganny i ava vin pli enparsyal.

E bann dimoun ki merit ganny asiste se sa bann dimoun ki bann dimoun ki merit ganny asiste se sanmenm sa bann dimoun ki pou benefisye avek tou bann progranm anba Agency for Social Protection.
Avek sa de mo Mr Speaker, mon pou siport sa lamannman e mon dir ou mersi.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER 70 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 14th July, 2021 Meri Onorab Woodcock.

Mon ava donn laparol.

Onorab Leader Lopozisyon ou pe …?

explanation HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Avek ou permisyon Mr Speaker si i posib pou mon fer n pti pou personal klarifye en keksoz?

Mon ti oule korize ki i pa mon lentansyon pou mislead okenn dimoun vizavi politcal science.
E mon kestyon ti ver Minis, e mon pa’n fer li dan en fason antagonistic mon’n zis demann Minis pou eksplike.

E mon’n fer serten pwen.

So petet si Onorab in mal konpran mwan, mon demann li leskiz pou sa.

Me selman Onorab i osi Mr Speaker avek ou permisyon annou pa mislead dimoun.

Akoz the original Act i pa ti Minis Social Affairs ki ti lo Ti en reprezantan Board.

Minister;- en reprezantan sa Minister.

So petet annou fer sir nou pa mal enterpret parol zis pou nou pa sa.

Mersi Mr Speaker.
Mersi Mr Speaker.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Ok mon krwar nou’n apresye ou komanter.

Onorab Cosgrow.

HON WALLACE COSGROW Mersi Mr Speaker.

Mr Speaker annefe sa ki mon ti pe al koz lo la ti en pti pe dan laliny ki Onorab Leader Lopozisyon in koz lo la.
Mon ti napa lentansyon fer okenn lentervansyon apre midi, akoz mon santi ki sa i en ti en lamannman ase straight forward ki pa ti merit gran, gran diskisyon, me i annan serten Manm la ki deside anmenn serten keksoz dan deba ozordi, ki pa neseserman ti devret antre dan deba ozordi.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Onorab selman avan ou al pli lwen, ou pa sipoze deklar ou lentere dan sa deba ou?

HON WALLACE COSGROW Non Mr Speaker mon napa lentere dan sa deba.

Mon ti CEO ASP 6an pase.

E sa ti parti mon lavi 6an pase.


Mersi Mr Speaker.

Mon krwar i annan okenn lentere.

(Off-Mic) in HON WALLACE COSGROW (Ou kapab les mon koze silvouple)?

Mr Speaker mon ti anvi koriz osi sa lerer ki Onorab Woodcock fer dan son lentervansyon, kot in dir 3 politisyen Minis Finans, Minis Social Affairs avek Minis Lanplwa ti lo Board, ki pa vre.

E ki dan Lalwa i kler ki dir en reprezantan Minister.
71 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 14th July, 2021 So i enportan ki le Onorab i fer serten deklarasyon devan Lasanble, sa zafer pe koul deor dan piblik dimoun pe ekoute.

I enportan ki i koz laverite, e i dir keksoz parey i ete!

Dernyen Mr Speaker ki mon ti ava kontan dir se ki napa nanryen mal si en dimoun i sorti CEO ASP i vin Minis.

I form en dimoun.

progresyon par Onorab si i santi i ti ava kontan vin Minis li osi fer sa progresyon i ava vin Minis.

So se tou ki mon ti annan pou dir Mr Speaker!


Mersi.

(APPLAUSE) MR DEPUTY SPEAKER lo dernyen Nou pou pas entervenan ki endike ki oule koze lo sa Prozedlwa, se Onorab Zafer Gouvernman Leader Onorab Georges.

HON BERNARD GEORGES Mersi Mr Speaker.

Bonn apre midi Mr Speaker.

Bonn apre midi Minis avek ou delegasyon.

Mr Speaker mon parey tou bann dimoun ki’n koz avan mwan mon pa ti pou fer okenn lentervansyon apre midi, akoz parey in ganny dir sa set en lamannman ki konpletman straight forward.
e mon krwar i enportan poudir ki parey Francais i dir ‘’l’habit fait le moine’’ si se sa dimoun se i pa enportan kote en dimoun i sorti.

Oubyen ki i ete sa ki enportan se ki sa dimoun i pran son responsabilite aker.

lentere sa E lorganizasyon ganny apwente pou fer.

i travay dan ki’n Having said that, i kler ki i annan serten atribisyon ki dimoun i annan, ki donn zot plis bagaz pou zot kapab deservi en fonksyon.
E ler nou regard fonksyon sa (ASP) - Lasosyasyon Servis Lazans pou Proteksyon Sosyal, nou vwar ki son Board i pou formil bann standar, bann mezir donn pou supplementation.

I pou revwar on a quarterly basis donk 4 fwa par an sa bann standar.

E regard sa ki fek pase pou li regarde sa bann standar e ankor normal.

E i pou al entern etabli bann mezir apropriye, pou revwar bann Polisi sa Lazans.

Donk se sa son rol.

Son rol pa pou donn X, Y or Z larzan e pa donn A, B C okenn lasistans.
E sel keksoz ki pe ganny fer la apre midi, e napa okenn sekre se ki, sa Gouvernman sa ladministrasyon, i prefere pa load bann Lazans avek bann civil servants ki pe deza travay 72 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 14th July, 2021 dan servis sivil e ki i annan zot dyob full time.

Pa neseserman E nou’n vwar sa atraver bokou lamannman bann Board ki’n ganny fer, o komansman par sa enn ki mwan mon ti lo la, (APDAR).
sa Kot ankor enn fwa se en Board ki ti annan reprezantan en preski tou bann Minister lo nouvo la.

Lide ladministrasyon se pou fer keksoz vin pli performan ;- met dimoun lo en Board pa par laverti, akoz zot travay dan zot Gouvernman, detenir en tit dan lasosyete, zot lo en NGO oubyen zot lo SCCI or any thing like that, non.

oubyen Se sey rod bann meyer dimoun ki annan atribisyon, pou kapab deservi sa fonksyon.

E si nou regard sa nou ti ava kapab dan sa lamannman, azout en seri lezot profesyon.
Me nou bezwen aret en serten landrwa e nou ti’n kapab osi tir lanmwatye sa bann, i pa ti pou sanz naryen.

Akoz sel lespri ki sa Lalwa pe sey eksprimen, se ki nou pe al fer keksoz dan en diferan fason.

Pa akoz nou anvi fer li dan en diferan fason, akoz in annan sanzman Gouvernman.

Me akoz sa ladministrasyon i krwar ki sa fason i ava pli byen anmenn lasistans avek bann dimoun ki en bezwen.

E i ava kapab pli byen determin lo bann fonksyon ki sa Lazans i ganny demande pou fer.
That’s the end of it Mr Speaker.

Napa ni politik, napa ni hidden agenda, napa ni naryen ladan, se senpleman en diferan fason fer, par en diferan Gouvernman ki krwar lafason sa enn presedan pa ti optimum.

E ki li i ava kapab fer keksoz dan en pli bon fason.

That’s it long and short.

Alor Mr Speaker mon krwar ki tou sa ki’n ganny dir lo sa Lalwa in ganny dir.

Mon pa vwar i en gran difikilte dan bann keksoz ki pe ganny propoze.
Taler nou ava ganny en sans fine-tune sa Lalwa ler nou al dan Committee Stage.

Mon krwar i en lamannman ki al dan bon direksyon, e mon garanti Minis ki i pou ganny nou sipor.

Mersi bokou.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi Onorab Georges.

Mon sa ti dernyen entervenan dan deba.

Anfet mwan mon ti pou la ozordi me in ariv en sanzman dan dernyen minit.

ti Anfet mon anvi entervenir lo sa Bill.

Solman permet mon zis en pti keksoz kourt.


Setadir ASP i manage ki nou’n fek vote pou zot, sa 73 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 14th July, 2021 depi 12poursan total - i lannen 12poursan Bidze Nasyonal.

Zot kapab mazinen larzan nou alor ki kantite konman en Lasanble nou donn ASP pou manage.
son Setadir lorganizasyon li menm ki manage by CEO ki la avek nou, apre sa Board i bezwen annan en rol son fonksyon i kler dan Lalwa ki dir se ki zot sipoze ‘’run en effective and efficient administration management and social assistance.’’ Zot bezwen gard en lizye asire ki pei i ekonomiz sa pti resours ki nou annan.

Me selman nou’n krwar listwar ASP.


payment of E mon krwar nou konman en Lasanble mesaz ozordi ki nou bezwen dir, la ki nou pe aprouv lamannman pou apwent en nouvo Board, se ki the way forward i bezwen strict dicipline.

No other way around it!

In fact si nou regard byen mon pou donn zot 3 legzanp, lannen 2011 ti en lannen eleksyon ti annan eleksyon prezidansyel avan, pli tar i ti vin Lasanble ki sa ti letan Lopozisyon pa partisipe.

Son lannen aven an 2010 lakantite welfare ti ganny par ASP ti 4384.
Son lannen answit i mont 6255.

(Off-Mic) MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Ki ou point of order Onorab ?

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Mr Speaker, anba Standing Orders order 8, ou ki as you stand in the Chair right now you are the adjudicator and the Chair of the Assembly.

Ou’n dir poudir detrwa mo, mon’n reste trankil ou pe dir detrwa mo.

But you are contributing to the debate which contrary the Standing Orders, e contrary to the spirit of nou Standing Orders.

to order 8 of MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Wi.


Mon apresye ou komanter ki ou pe fer.

(Interruption) HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY So mon ti pou napa okenn problenm Mr Speaker zis ou ti’n fer sa komanter from the Chair.

(Interruption) MR DEPUTY SPEAKER From mon sez Mont Buxton.

Me solman akoz ki parey mon’n dir nou Lasanble ki donn Bidze, and this is where mon ti ava 74 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 14th July, 2021 akoz i en pwen ki personn pa’n leve.

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY (Off-Mic) I get your point.


MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mon pe zis partaz sa avek zot konman koleg Manm Lasanble.

E i en keksoz ki ozordi letan sa lamannman i ava pase, mesaz ki merit sorti kot Lasanble se ki i dezormen the management and the Board i bezwen egzers bokou plis disiplin avek larzan ki vin dan Bidze, akoz nou’n vwar poudir depi lentrodiksyon i ASP an 2012 son Bidze kontinyelman grosi.
So mon ava fini la, pou dir i bezwen absoliman egzers sa disiplin e fer sa ki Lalwa i egzize zot fer, e ki alor bann konsern konman ki Lasanble nou demann ASP, i pa ganny repete lannen ale lannen vini pou montre sa strict dicipline.

toultan nou Donk mon ava fini lo la.

E nou ava envit Minis pou fer son Right of Reply.

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Mr Speaker.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Yes Onorab.

ki lespri HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Mersi Mr Speaker.


Mr Speaker dan Speaker Mancienne ti donn son Ruling yer kot nou ti kapab move from en sityasyon ti’n arive dan Lasanble, mon pa’n enteronp ou, mon pa’n interject, mon pa’n disrupt ou akoz apre tou ou en Manm Lasanble osi.

Me selman mon bezwen proteste ki … MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Ki ou proteste?
HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Mon proteste ki as long as you in the Chair Mr Speaker mon ti ava apresye ki ou reserve your right to contribute to a debate or to sway the House in any favour towards the debate, unless you are occupying ou sez konman Onorab Gervais Henrie Manm Elekte Mont Buxton.

I put that on record Mr Speaker that’s the end of the matter.
(Interruption) MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Onorab Mon’n eksplik mon pozisyon, par lefe ki mon en Manm ki osi reprezant en i kontinyelman distrik e si annan finansyer dan labi resours Leta mon distrik, Mont Buxton i ganny afekte!
75 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 14th July, 2021 Le pwen ki mon ti pe fer avek zot tou ki la konman Manm Lasanble Nasyonal, ki vot Bidze, nou bezwen anvoy sa me saz kler avek ASP poudir from this day forward en new Board pou ganny constitute, annan sa disiplin ki Lalwa i demann zot pou fer pou run an efficient management of ASP.

Onorab Georges mon vwar ou lanmen anler.

HON BERNARD GEORGES Mersi Mr Speaker.


Mr Speaker mon ti anvi zis fer Lasanble rapel ki anba Order 97 nou Standing Orders nou kapab sispann nou Standing Orders.

Alor mon ti ava kontan pou reponn sa lenterzeksyon Leader Lopozisyon, move en Mosyon apre midi pou sispann Standing Orders pou permet ou address the House from the Chair.
Alor si ou anvi after the event pou koriz okenn … (Interruption) HON BERNARD GEORGES (Espere vot kont pa al rod labi) pou koriz okenn persepsyon ki Lopozisyon i annan ki ou pe abiz ou pouvwar, ki nou pa dakor e mon ti ava move Mr Speaker, ki sa Mosyon i ganny segonde, ki i ganny pase e ki ou ganny permisyon koz lakantite ki ou anvi lo sa size ki ou vwar i enportan pou nou Lasanble e pou nou pei.

Onorab Leader Lopozisyon i krwar i en labi, labi i ariv ler i minorite i sey pran kontrol en mazorite.
Se nou ki an lamazorite ozordi.

(APPLAUSE) MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Donk i annan en Mosyon ki’n ganny table, eski i annan okenn Manm ki segonn sa Mosyon?

Onorab Roucou.

HON MICHEL ROUCOU Bonn apre midi Mr Deputy Speaker.

i ganny Mosyon segonde.

Mersi.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mosyon i ganny segonde nou pran en vot lo la?

Tou Manm ki an faver?

Ok okenn Manm ki kont?

Donk Mosyon pou sispann Standing Orders se ki mon kapab dir de mo isi anler dan sez Speaker i annan 20 Manm ki’n vot an faver e 9 Manm ki’n vot kont.
Donk sa Mosyon i pase.

(APPLAUSE) HON GERVAIS HENRIE 76 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 14th July, 2021 Mon tann Lopozisyon pe dir en labi.

Ou vwar nou konman Manm Lasanble nou bezwen pran nou rol serye.

E zot konnen poudir Lalwa ASP Lartik 28 i obliz ASP fourni en rapor anyel, avek Lasanble Nasyonal son toulezan aktivite.
lo Bann ki’n dan Lasanble en pe pli lontan, depi 2012 son Lalwa in pase, konbyen fwa zot in deza vwar rapor anyel ASP dan Lasanble Nasyonal Lasanble Nasyonal mwan mon’n en Manm depi 2007 mon’n dan katriyenm, mon’n dan sizyenm, la mon dan setyenm mon ava admet premye.

Mon’n fail mon osi dan mon responsabilite e mon pran sa responsabilite.

Akoz selman yer ler mon pe lir about ASP ki mon vwar sa Clause.

Akoz souvandfwa nou vin dan Lasanble nou pa privy tou bann Lalwa ki’n pase avan nou letan.
E alor i kapab annan bann lapse dan nou oversight role.

serten E se sa alor ki konman en koleg Lasanble, mon ti anvi partaz bann zot, ki lenformasyon avek dezormen from this day forward pou lanmour Sesel nou regard en pe plis dan nou travay.

sa E ki alor nou anmenn larzan akoz sa lazistis 12poursan pou dan Bidze sa lannen, i larzan otreman nou bann constituents ki nou, nou reprezante isi la anndan ti kapab ganny en kantite servis avek progranm Gouvernman.
Donk mon pa pou abiz tro letan me mon ava fini lo la.

Sa rapor anyel nou bezwen dir ou bezwen anmennen.

Menm i dir ek li poudir ou bezwen fer mentenir proper account.

Alors en zour mon kapab zot depi ziska 2015 apepre.

ASP ti annan en website.

E lo sa website tou le mwan zot ti prosedir statistical report.

vwar Kot si nou, nou ti konman Manm Lasanble nou ti pou kapab lemwan konbyen dimoun dan nou distrik ki pe ganny larzan dan sak bann kategori ki Lalwa i prevwar pou li donn larzan.
tou Nou ti kapab swiv fer nou travay oversight.

Depi 2015 website in disparet e ozordi nou dan fernwanr lo ki aktivite ki ASP pe fer.
So mwan mon pwen ki mon ti oule zis fer, se ki nou pe dir avek sa nouvo Board ki pe vini from this day forward être en pe pli disiplinen dan son fason ki i travay pou kapab konserv sa pti gin resours finansyel ki pei i annan e ki nou pa vwar sak fwa letan par 77 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 14th July, 2021 egzanp eleksyon i vini nou’n i annan bann gran vwar logmantasyon dan lakantite larzan ki ASP i depanse.

Mon’n donn zot legzanp 2011 lakantite aplikan ki ti mont en sel kou.
An 2016 par egzanp son Bidze i mont 57poursan par lao sa ki ti’n ganny budgeted.

E an 2020 lannen pase i mont par 22poursan konpare avek sa ki ti ganny budgeted.

Nou, nou bezwen alor konman Manm Lasanble.

Mon repete, la egzize avek mon termin management ki nivo akoz CEO i ase nouvo avek Board ki pou apwente ganny poudir nou pou kit en lizye lo zot.
dezormen Akoz 12poursan Bidze Nasyonal, mon pa ti pou bezwen alor organiz lotri dan Mont Buxton pou raise larzan pou aste bus stop, nou ti ava’n ganny larzan dan Bidze akoz i labi dan serten pe annan seksyon Bidze.

Donk mon ava termin lo la.

Mon ava envit Minis pou fer son Right of Reply.

Mersi.

Ki ou matter of privilege Onorab?

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Mersi Mr Speaker.


Mr Speaker mon matter of privilege anba order 40 i tre senp, premyerman okenn Mosyon ki pas devan Lasanble i bezwen swiv en deba, e mon bezwen dir ou Mr Speaker, ki apre midi ou aksyon ek aksyon Onorab Georges in set back to Onorab Speaker Roger Mancienne in achieve yer.

Ou’n set Lasanble back e pou mwan sa i dezapwentan.
Dezapwentan ou’n anpes Manm koz lo en Mosyon, ou’n allow en Mosyon ki en the Standing Orders, kan se ou anba nou Standing Orders ki sipoze protez sa Lasanble.

labi of Malerezman mon napa mazorite pou mon dir ki pou fer dan Lasanble Mr Speaker, me selman pou mon sa i regretab e dezapwentan.

Pou vwar en koleg ki mon annan gran respe pou li move en kalite Mosyon koumsa, e ou en Parlmanter sitan avek bokou leksperyans, ki sipoze annan respe pou la demokrasi pa respekte nou Standing Orders.

Mersi Mr Speaker.
Mersi Mr Speaker.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi pou ou bann komanter Onorab.

Nou apresye i al lo rikord Lasanble.

Me mon an menm tan krwar poudir bokou dimoun ki pa pe ganny servis Gouvernman avek lavites ki zot ti ava kontan, in osi apresye ki Lasanble in dir avek ASP dezormen zot pou bezwen pli 78 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 14th July, 2021 larzan ki byen manage sa taxpayers Seselwa i met a zot dispozisyon.

Mon vwar dimoun i apresye sa osi.

(APPLAUSE) MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Onorab Georges.


HON BERNARD GEORGES Mr Speaker, mon pran laparol avek ou permisyon pou mon reponn Leader Lopozisyon.

Mon pa pe ni raise ni en matter of privilege ni en point of order.

Mon pe servi mon privilez konman en Manm Lasanble pou mwan reponn en alegasyon ki’n ganny fer kont mwan.

Mr Speaker annou pa bliy de keksoz.

Ou plito en keksoz e mon pou donn de legzanp.

Onorab Leader Lopozisyon in bliy en keksoz.


In bliye ki dan sa Lasanble se pa zis Lalwa ek Standing Orders ki aplike, me se osi pratik Lasanble, E i konn tre byen ki ler i annan en motion to suspend Standing Order, pratik sa Lasanble se pa pou annan deba lo sa Mosyon, ler nou demann suspending Standing Orders pou nou fer en Second Reading or whatever napa zanmen en deba lo la.

I pas san deba.

So sa i e pratik Lasanble.


Dezyenm pratik Lasanble (mon’n promet de legzanp) dezyenm pratik Lasanble, se i pratik ler en Speaker i en Manm Elekte dan en distrik, e i asiz lo sez e sa pratik in ganny konmanse par Speaker Pillay, i ganny drwa koz detrwa mo from the Chair lo son distrik.

Alor Onorab ava aksepte ki pratik Lasanble i permet sa ki’n ganny fer apre midi.

Mersi bokou.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi Onorab.


(APPLAUSE) MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Donk nou ava envit Minis Francourt pou fer son Right of Reply.

PATRICIA MINISTER FRANCOURT Mersi Deputy Speaker.

Mersi tou bann Onorab pou zot kontribisyon ki zot in fer lo sa Prozedlwa.

Parey zot in dir i en straight forward, Prozedlwa ki eksplike li menm ki vedir.
E mon’n take onboard tou sa ki zot in dir prenon kont ki ASP i annan en poursantaz en Bidze 12porsan Bidze Nasyonal e nou annan en obligasyon pou nou fer sir poudir sa Bidze i 79 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 14th July, 2021 e byen fonksyonnen comme fodre.
ganny zere i Akoz ki nou bezwen en very good Board, nou bezwen en Board ki balanse, nou bezwen en tim ki balanse, nou bezwen tim ki annan diferan skills, e bann skills set an deor la i annan en kantite Me selman ki nou’n vwar dan lepase, menm, menm dimoun ki retrouv lo menm Board.

E dimoun deor la ki kapab fer en kantite keksoz annan de fwa pa ganny sa loportinite.

Nou bezwen en Board ki vreman strong, ki annan en kiltir ki devlop travay byen ansanm, byen for.
ofe pou avek E letan zot pe travay byen sa ansanm koumsa avek mandate ki zot annan to accomplish, zot kapab fer bann desizyon sa efektiv lorganizasyon, pou sa agency.

Bann Board Members i bezwen bann responsabilite ki zot annan e ki mannyer zot desarz sa bann responsabilite.

E sirtou nou konnen poudir eski son misyon i pou siporte siport vilnerab e sa bann dimoun ki nou’n met la dan sa lalis is a list of i pa en set in stone sa.

I en lendikasyon ki mannyer nou kapab ale dan sa lalis bokou pli gran.
zis donn nou Par egzanp ler mon pe ekout zot la mon mazinen a petet nou bezwen en dimoun dan ICT, ki kapab konpran sa sistenm i marse.

ICT ki mannyer E plis ou mazinen ou vwar plizyer dimoun e kriter ki kapab antre dan sa Board.

E i annan en kantite dimoun an deor.

ASP i bezwen fresh blood i bezwen fresh thinking e konnen poudir son mandate i vreman serye pou pei, e al dan sa laliny ki i devret pou li kapab achieve son bann lobzektif.
I pou annan dimoun petet ki nou swazir lo sa Board ki annan bann society experiences and skills.

Nou’n vwar sa i across the Board.

civil So i pa vedir akoz ou dan LUNGOS, ACCI, sa i zis en kriter.

Sa bann kriter i across over sa, i annan bann parallel dan endividi ki annan sa bann kalite skills, abilities parey.

Nou Again i pa vedir poudir nou pe rod afilyasyon politik sa pa pou arive dan sa nouvo pa ladministrasyon.

believe ladan.
believe ladan.

Nou pe rod dimoun ki kapab e ki drwat e ki transparan e ki fer keksoz byen e zot kapab delivre.

Sa Gouvernman pa believe dan okenn apartenans politik.

E mon mazinen poudir nou bezwen konpran with a 80 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 14th July, 2021 political science background, pou konpran dimansyon pei e ki bann landscape ki mannyer i ete.

Nou bezwen bann nouvo manm parey nou dir an Anglais they have balls to speak up, letan zot vwar keksoz pa byen.
Zot bezwen kapab dir poudir nou remarke poudir sa i pa byen e i bezwen challenge i bezwen kestyonnen e nou bezwen get byen ladan.

We need a strong Board.

Nou annan en gran revi ki pe vin devan nou, avek World Bank ki nou’n vin koz lo la before e nou bezwen en Board ki konpran ki bor sa direksyon pe ale avek sa reforms ki World Bank ki’n met devan nou.

I annan en kantite dimoun pou koz avek ordinary people ki annan sa lespri e konpran sa vreman byen.
Dimoun ki ganny selekte i bezwen konpran son responsabilite vreman byen.

Responsabilite sa bann dimoun lo Board i bezwen oversee management.

I bezwen konpran bann lekspertiz finans.

I bezwen annan li en strategy direksyon.

I bezwen konpran compliances e have oversight lo sa ki pe pase.

Nou vwar en kantite sanzman deza in arive dan ASP avek en nouvo CEO ki’n antre e in fer en gran diferans dan en pti kourt letan.
E la nou vwar ASP i pe follow son mandate e i pe travay comme fodre an servan son bann regilasyon avek son bann Lalwa ki annan.

Zis pou dir nou annan nou ASP Review Panel Onorab Zialor ti’n demande.

E sa zot mandate pe al fini e nou pe al dan process of regard nouvo dimoun ankor ki enterese pou antre ladan.
Petet pou mon osi zis terminen akoz sa i straight forward sa zis nou pe dir larg nou lanmen, so nou kapab avans en pti pe plis away from sa restriksyon sa, sa, sa;- larg nou lanmen so nou kapab ale e tap dan market out there ki annan.

Me selman osi ki mon pou dir sa Board i bezwen en Board ki annan passion.

I bezwen annan komitman.

E i bezwen pare pou li fer en diferans.

An prenon kont ki nou konnen ki’n pase kot ASP, nou pa kapab les history repeat itself again, nou bezwen fer keksoz byen drwat.
mazinen mon popilasyon Sesel sanmenm sa ki zot pe espekte from ASP konman en Lazans fer keksoz byen transparans e fer li drwat comme fodre.

E Mon ava regarde si mon’n kouver as much ki mon kapab, zis petet pou mon terminen 81 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 14th July, 2021 mon kapab dir sa Lazans Proteksyon Sosyal i kapab son fonksyonnman i bezwen avek bann bon gouvernans.

Nou koz bokou lo la.

Rann kont e latransparans i neseser ki i annan en Board konpetan e efektiv.
I kapab donn bann bon desizyon.

E nou garanti zot poudir avek nou tim ki nou’n annan la led by en CEO ki vreman strong, zot konnen zot tou, somehow or another zot in pran kontak, avek nou agency e zot vwar ki mannyer nou pe travay dan en pti gin letan ki diferans nou’n fer.

I annan en Board pou compliment sa ki pe arive, mon krwar we are on the way to success.

After all i larzan tax payers nou bezwen fer sir ki i dan en bon lanmen i ganny servi byen osi.
Alor i enportan ki sa Board i annan expertise e konpetans neseser, pou byen manage sa Lazans.

E avek sa Depite Speaker, mon pa krwar mon bezwen dir bokou, akoz parey nou dir sa i go straight forward.

Lo sa not mon demann Lasanble pou aprouv merit sa Prozedlwa.

Mersi.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi Minis pou ou Right of Reply.

E aprezan donk nou ava pran en vot lo merit zeneral Bill, tou Manm ki an faver, okenn Manm ki kont?
Donk vot lo merit zeneral pou Prozedlwa Agency for Social Protection (Amendment) Bill, 2021, 20 Manm in vot an faver, okenn Manm pa’n vot kont e i annan 9 abstansyon.

Donk sa in pase devan Prozedlwa Lasanble Nasyonal.

Mon pe get ler nou pou si nou pou al dan Komite, wi avan nou fer sa nou ava fer en Formal Second Reading of the Bill, Madanm Clerk.

MADAM CLERK Mersi Mr Speaker.

A Bill for an Act to amend the Agency for Social Protection Act, 2011.

Mersi Mr Speaker.
Mersi Mr Speaker.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Ok mersi Madanm Clerk.

Avan mon ti pe sey endik avek Chairman Bills Committee ki i annan en pe lamannman ki nou pou konsidere lo la?

Ou pa mind koz ek mon zis pou rikord Lasanble Nasyonal.

HON CLIFFORD ANDRE Mr Speaker nou pe sey partaz en pe leksperyans.

Mon ava les Onorab Naidu pran kontrol sa bout apre midi.
MR DEPUTY SPEAKER 82 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 14th July, 2021 Ok sa ki mon ti pe demann ou se ki dirasyon ki ou krwar konmsi pou nou gete si nou pran break swa si nou kapab pous en pti gin.

HON CLIFFORD ANDRE I pou vreman kourt sanmenm sa ki … MR DEPUTY SPEAKER i pou vreman kourt.

So Lasanble i ava dakor ek mon ki nou we proceed with the amendment, apre nou ava regarde ki mannyer nou ale?

Ok very good.

Donk nou ava demann Sergeant pou bouz Mace pou nou al dan Staz Komite.
Donk nou ava envit Onorab Naidu pou pran laparol.

HON SATHYA NAIDU Mersi Mr Speaker.

Bills Committee in pas lo sa Bill e nou’n satisfe napa okenn lamannman ki pe ganny propoze.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER No amendments at all?

Ok Onorab LGB.

HON BERNARD GEORGES Mersi Mr Chair.

Mr Chair mwan mon annan detrwa lamannman pou propoze.

Nou pa’n ganny mon pa’n ganny letan diskit sa avek Bills Committee letan donnen ki sa in vin en pti pe vitman.
Mon ti ava detrwa propoz kontan tipografi plito lamannman oubyen napa gramatik, lamannman sibstansyel.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Ok go ahead.

HON BERNARD GEORGES Premyerman dan Clause 2 (1) 2 ki pe amann seksyon 6, dan dezyenm laliny mon krwar ‘‘experiences’’ nou kapab met li dan sengilye.
‘’Qualification and experience.’’ E mon ti ava swete ki lo katriyenm laliny sa mo ‘’and’’ i ganny ranplase par ‘’or’’ in fact ‘’statistics, comma or ...’’ Pou la senp rezon ki ‘’and’’ i kapab ganny misconstrued poudir ki en dimoun i bezwen annan tou sa bann leksperyans dan tou sa bann keksoz instead of one or the other.

Epi dan Clause 3, mon ti ava propoze nou retir dan dezyenm laliny sa comma apre 2011, akoz mon krwar ki son subordinate Clause i konmans avek ‘’established’’ e i fini avek laliny.
Act dan Donk set en ‘comma’ ki nou kapab perdi.

trwazyenm Dan dernyen laliny sa menm Clause 3(a), ‘’shall vacate the office,’’ mon ti ava prefere 83 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 14th July, 2021 ‘’shall vacate their office,’’ akoz nou’n servi menm formil dan (b) akoz i spesifik.
Dan Clause 3 (b), mon annan de en propozisyon dan dezyenm laliny ‘’termination of term’’ mon ti ava propoze nou met ‘’termination of the term of their office.’’ Epi mon en kestyon pou panel e i en keksoz ki i plito pou Lasanble.

annan MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Zis avan ou pou akoz ou’n fini avek bann lamannman.

HON BERNARD GEORGES I annan enn ankor me mon pou fer li a lafen.

Mersi.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Ok selman mon ti anvi zis konnen si panel i agree avek ptipti sa bann lamannman ganny propoze?
bann ki’n DRAFTSPERSON LEGAL JULIA JEAN Nou napa okenn lobzeksyon.

entitled to claim’’ obviously sa ki lentansyon se ki bann outgoing Board Members pa pou okenn kapab claim konpansasyon.

Me mon konnen mon kestyon pou Mrs Jean, eski nou’n servi sa term ‘’entitled to claim’’ oparavan dan bann lezot Lezislasyon?

Akoz sel keksoz ki dir ou, ou napa drwa claim.

Me i pa dir ou napa drwa ou napa en drwa pou ou resevwar sa konpansasyon.
Sa ki nou, nou anvi fer sa ki nou anvi fer kler se ki you not entitled to the compensation, not to claim for it.

Alor mon pe propoze, (anfen mon pe propoze) mon pe demande akoz mon pa siny e eski ‘’entitled to claim’’ si nou’n servi li oparavan I am happy to keep it.

Oubyen eski nou devret sanz ‘’shall not be entitled to claim’’ e met ‘’shall not be due any compensation’’ pou fer li kler ki ‘’whether or not to claim’’ ou napa drwa resevwar en konpansasyon.

Mersi.
Mersi.

Apre mon dir I will be guided by the draftsperson.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Ok mersi.

Proceed LGB.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mrs Jean.

HON BERNARD GEORGES Mersi Mr Speaker.

Mersi Mrs Jean.

Dan Clause 3 (b) dan premye laliny ‘’shall not be DRAFTSPERSON LEGAL JULIA JEAN Mersi pou ou kestyon.

Sa servi wording ganny in 84 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 14th July, 2021 tou dan lezot oparavan lamannman ki vini ki nou met sa provizyon e in osi ganny servi.

Yes.
Yes.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Wi Chairman Bills Committee pou okouran sa akoz lezot lamannman kot nou pe do away with the Board i ti menm wording, right?

Ok so LGB.

HON BERNARD GEORGES Mersi Mr Chair.

E dernyen propozisyon se Clause 3 as a whole.

Mon vwar ki Clause 3 pe fer de keksoz.

Premyerman i pe dir bann manm anba 3 (a) will cease to be members upon the passing of this Act, e number 2 zot pa pou kapab zot pa pou entitled.

i Me mannyer ete paragraph (b) i konmans avek such members.
E lafason ki sa Clause in ganny drafte ankor enn fwa kekfwa sete en drafting technique me i pa swiv son chapeau;-, chapeau i fer, i dir ‘’on the commencement of this Act’’, e si ou lir (b) i pa pou swiv.

‘’on I pou dir the commencement of this Act such members shall not be entitled.

Nou pa pou konnen who are this such members ziska ler ou lir (a).
E mon pe demann mon si annefe the chapeau pa devret lir ‘’on the commencement of this Act the members of the Board eksetera ziska ‘’commencement of this act.’’ Apre (a) ‘’shall ceased to be members’’ e (b) i ava vin ‘’shall not be entitled to claim.’’ Ou konpran?

So tou le de i swiv from the chapeau.

Nou pa pe sanz nanryen apard the structure of the Clause.

Mersi.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Madanm Jean?


DRAFTSPERSON LEGAL JULIA JEAN Mersi Mr Chair parey mon’n dir sa seksyon li menm i menm wording ki nou servi pou tou lezot.

So mon mazinen si avan in ok then it should not be a problem.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER LGB.

HON BERNARD GEORGES Mon happy avek sa Mr Chair si en teknik drafting.

Se zot ki expert and I go along with it.

Mersi bokou.

Se tou ki mon ti annan propozisyon.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi.

Pou soumisyon.


Eski i annan okenn lezot Manm ki 85 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 14th July, 2021 annan okenn pwen kontansyon lo bann Clause.

Donk mon pa vwar okenn lendikasyon savedir nou ava pran en vot lo sa bann is it necessary pou nou pran en vot lo bann pti lamannman?

Non pa neseser.

Ok donk nou ava dan reconvene into Lasanble.

Mersi Serzan e mon ava envit LGB pou move Mosyon pou Third Reading of the Bill.

the HON BERNARD GEORGES Mersi Mr Speaker.


Mr Speaker anba Order 76 (1) mon move ki the agency for Social Protection (Amendment) Bill, 2021 as lir en amended, Trwazyenm Fwa mersi.

i ganny MR DEPUTY SPEAKER E sa ki segonde?

Onorab Esparon.

(Amendment) Bill, 2021 i annan 21 Manm ki an faver, napa personn ki kont, e i annan 9 ki’n abstenir.

Donk sa vot i pase.

Prezan nou ava envit Madanm Clerk pou fer en Third Reading.
MADAM CLERK This Act may be cited as the Agency for Social Protection (Amendment) Act, 2021.

Mersi Mr Speaker.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi Madanm Clerk.

Donk sa in konklir nou travay ozordi lo sa Prozedlwa.

Nou ava remersi panel ki’n avek nou ozordi apre midi e nou ava eskiz zot parmi nou e swet zot tou de bon dan sa latas enorm me enportan, ki annan devan zot.

Mersi pou vini.

HON REGINA ESPARON Mr Speaker Mosyon in ganny segonde.
(MINISTER FRANCOURT AND HER DELEGATION WAS EXCUSED FROM THE HOUSE) MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mersi Onorab.

Mon ava envit Madanm Clerk pou fer Third Reading.

Nou wi savedir nou ava pran en vot avan lo Bill as amended tou Manm ki an faver?

Okenn Manm ki kont?
Okenn Manm ki kont?

lo Formal Third Donk vot Reading lo sa Bill Social Agency Protection for Social MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Donk parey Mr Speaker ti’n endik avek Lasanble avan break ouswa dan ABC, bann leaders zot son lentansyon pou fini nou Order Paper ozordi e sirtou pou fini avek of Reference pou Komite IAC.
issue Terms okouran sa, sa i 86 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 14th July, 2021 Savedir nou ava adjourn nou ava pran en break e nou ava retournen 4er e koumsa nou ava kapab fini avek travay pou ozordi.

(BREAK) MR SPEAKER Bonn apre midi bann Manm.

Nou pou retourn lo Terms of Reference IAC Committee.

Nou annan de Manm ki ti’n lev lanmen pou pran laparol.

Mon pou donn zot laparol apre Chairman ki’n prezant Terms of son i ava Reference summing-up e apre Lasanble ava vot lo Terms of Reference.
Si Lasanble i aksepte sa Terms of Reference i pase, si pa aksepte la i ava retourn dan Komite pou zot re vizite.

Mon ava konmans avek Onorab Henrie.

fer HON GERVAIS HENRIE Mersi Mr Speaker.

Mr Speaker mon reprezantasyon i mon oule adres size ki serten Manm in leve ouswa konsern ki zot in leve apropo sa zafer Policy par egzanp dan premye Clause 1 Komite ki dir le i pou review e assess the Foreign Affairs the Foreign and Tourism Policies and Strategy of the Republic of Seychelles.
Mon oule adres sa parske en Komite ki mon ti Chair Komite Medya, Lazenes avek Kiltir, dan sizyenm Lasanble ti enn sa bann premye Komite ki ti sanz son Term Referans travay pou enkli size Polisi koman enn son bann Referans Travay.

aksyon Nou ti fer sa akoz nou santi poudir ki dan definisyon se ki Lasanble oversight, Nasyonal i annan en oversight lo Gouvernman.

Aksyon i vedir son bann Lalwa ki pase.

I vedir Bidze ki i gannyen pou li depanse.

I vedir son bann regilasyon ki met an plas atraver S.I.
me osi i vedir bann Policies ki i met an mars.

E malgre Egzekitiv en lot brans Gouvernman nou, nou t santi poudir souvandfwa par egzanp Bidze ki nou konman Lasanble nou donnen, se pou aksyonn lo sa bann Policies.

So dan bann enteraksyon ki nou ti annan konman Komite avek bann MDAs, se pou koz lo sa bann Policies e vwar ki mannyer vreman zot pe achieve bann target ki zot dir nou par egzanp dan deliberasyon Bidze.

Sa i enn.

Dezyenmman nou konnen pou dir nou annan en rol nou reprezantasyon.
reprezant dimoun ki elekte nou, bann constituent dan kominote.

E 87 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 14th July, 2021 E bann Policies bann MDAs pakte lo dimoun ki nou, nou reprezante.

Donk nou bezwen annan sa oversight lo la.

E pou advise, lobby ki zot review ouswa entrodwir nouvo Polisi.

E enn fwa ki eleksyon i fini mon vwar poudir Lasanble avek konman brans brans Egzekitiv Lezislatif e brans Egzekitiv Gouvernman, e Lasanble, i travay dezormen pou pei.
Cabinet e lavi Nou tou nou annan en sa de brans Gouvernman i annan purpose pou en common amelyorasyon nou sitwayen.

Alor nou bezwen pe regard bann zafer Policies.

I pa en enterferans dan en lot brans Gouvernman.

Me ki mannyer nou ed kanmarad pou nou bouz de lavans konman en pei e en Nasyon.

Se sa alors ki nou, nou ti met sa zafer Policies dan nou Terms of Reference, e ki mon apresye why en lot Komite in mete.

E pou nou la anndan, nou bezwen get keksoz poudir kot mon anvi nou pei i ale.
Si nou pe koz lo nou pe pran en model gouvernans ki tou le de kote latab i tonm lo la latransparans, rann kont, bonn gouvernans, e sa i bann size Polisi pou determinen whether konman en pei, nou pe achieve transparency, and good governance.

accountability Zis Lalwa tousel i pa ase.


E alors san ki nou pe dir nou pa pe mary kanmarad zanbek, ouswa nou pe enterfer, mon krwar nou bezwen get nou purpose, kote ki brans Lezislatif e Egzekitiv i zwenn ansanm en landrwa, e ki bor ki nou kapab travay ansanm pou amelyor sityasyon sitwayen e pei.

Donk mon ti zis anvi partaz sa avek zot.


E anmezir ki nou kontiny sa konversasyon konman en setyenm Lasanble ki le redefini rol Lasanble Nasyonal dan nou demokrasi sirtou, sirtou letan eleksyon in fini gannyen e nou rol se zis Manm Lasanble Nasyonal;- pa pou en parti politik, pa pou en group spesifik me pou pei, e son popilasyon regard Polisi annan aksyon en Gouvernman i enportan pou nou.
oversight lo So annou kontinyen sa konversasyon annou e kontinyen reflesi e get li dan en lobzektif ki mannyer nou kapab amelyor nou rol.

Sa ki mon ti le partaz avek bann Manm Lasanble Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER Mersi Onorab.

Georges.

Onorab 88 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 14th July, 2021 pou Reference HON BERNARD GEORGES Mersi Mr Speaker.

Mr Speaker nou annan devan nou en Terms (IAC) of International Affairs Committee, Komite Zafer Etranzer dan Lasanble Nasyonal.
Pou nou ki nou ganny demande pou nou revwar e si nou dakor aprouve.

Sa se prosedir normal ler Terms of Reference en Komite Lasanble, i swa ganny etabli pou premye fwa oubyen i ganny amande ler in fini ganny etabli e an fonksyon bann devlopman ki kapab arive dan lavi sa Komite.

en Ozordi seri se lamannman ki devan nou.

E prosedir in ganny byen swiv i vin devan Lasanble e se sa Lasanble ki pou debat lo sa Terms of Reference.
Akoz in vin konman en Mosyon ki pou adopte li, oubyen ki pou rezet li, oubyen ki pou modifye li.

Akoz se isi dan sa Chamber ki sa keksoz i ganny fer.

Me sa ki nou’n vwar se ki Lopozisyon depi bomaten, e nou bezwen fer sa byen kler pou bann dimoun deor ki pe swiv, in adopte zot en stratezi pa dakor avek okenn keksoz ki sa Lasanble pe koz lo la ozordi.

Annefe zot pa’n vot lo okenn keksoz depi bomaten.

Ki pa ditou dan zot natir.


I annan serten keksoz ki pa ti annan okenn kontrovers e still deside pa vot lo la.

Sa se zot stratezi si zot anvi kontinyen avek sa stratezi, sa se zot problenm.

Me nou nou’n vini isi pou travay e travay nou pou travay.

Mr Speaker, Leader Lopozisyon Onorab Pillay bomaten in koz longman lo sa size.
E mon bezwen dir la ki mon pa kapab dir ki en zour mon pou aret ganny etonnen oubyen emerveye par kapasite Onorab Pillay par sa don i annan, par sa talan pou li koz en kantite parol e pa dir nanryen.

(laughter) HON BERNARD GEORGES Akoz tou son koze bomaten, tou son koze bomaten sey zistifye en keksoz ki pa zistifyab pa’n konvenk personn ni lo nou kote, ni lo son kote.

Onorab Cosgrow in esey, in esey met en pe delwil lo delo.
In esey apez en pe presyon, in sey koz lo en fason rezonnab, annou revwar, annou pa taye, la la patati patata.

Mr Speaker sa stratezi bann demagozi nou, nou pa tonm ladan ditou.

E mon ava dir zot akoz nou pa tonm ladan ditou.

Tou bann Manm ki’n koz lo sa Mosyon bomaten bann 89 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 14th July, 2021 Manm Lopozisyon, in soulev bann pwen ki selon zot, ti enportan e ki pa ti devret dan sa Terms of Reference.

Sa se zot preogrativ.


E i byen serten bann pwen ki zot in fer sorti i merite ganny debat lo la.

Me kot zot fail se olye anmenn en lamannman a sa bann Terms of Reference, zot in prefere zis kritike apre reste trankil.

Zot anvi zwe en game, me zot pa pare pou met zot azanda lo latab.

Sa zot problenm.

ler parti ou matouloumba Mr Speaker fodre ou met Roupi lo latab.

dan en al Ou pa kapab deside pou zwe en game me zwe li ziska half time apre al dan lakour.

Akoz pa koumsa ki marse.


Si zot ti anvi e si zot ti serye dan tou sa ki zot in dir, zot ti’n pou table sa avan swa bomaten menm e seri lamannman pou donn lefe sa Terms of Reference ki zot, zot ti ava kontan vwar.

Lefet ki zot pa’n fer li, i montre ki (eskiz mwan pou dir Mr Speaker) zot pa pe fer sa an bonn fwa.

Zot pe fer sa pou en stratezi politik e parey mon’n dir mor ek zot boul si zot anvi, koul ek zot boul si zot anvi, nou, nou pa pe antre dan sa bann demagozi.
Mr Speaker nou annan devan nou en seri Terms of Reference ki ti’n ganny diskite parey nou ti’n ganny dir par son Chairman, dan Komite, kot ti annan letan pou bann Manm lo Lopozisyon pou fer propozisyon lamannman.

Zot in prefere pa fer li nou, nou bezwen travay nou pa la pou esper okenn dimoun.

Kantmenm, kantmenm Sesel i pou tou son zanfan e kantmenm Sesel i pou tou son zanfan including bann ki pares nou, nou pou travay.

Nou, nou pa pou esper personn e nou pou bouz devan.
Alor mon ti ava kontan demann avek sa Lasanble, napa okenn bon rezon ki’n ganny donnen, akoz ki nou pa kapab al devan avek sa bann Terms of Reference ozordi.

Annou met sa bann Terms of Reference to the vote Mr Speaker annou vote annou pas li e annou bouz devan.

Mersi bokou.

(APPLAUSE) MR SPEAKER Mon ava Mersi Onorab.

demann Onorab Pillay ou’n fini adres sa Mosyon ou?

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Mr Speaker mersi.

Mon’n fini adres Mosyon.

Mon pa pe al reponn Onorab Georges per se.


Me selman mon ti ava kontan si 90 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 14th July, 2021 son alegasyon pares i towards nou ki sa ti son lentansyon i retir sa.

Akoz mon bezwen met devan ou Mr Speaker taler Onorab Georges in servi en pwen Standing Order pou fer keksoz avek sa Lasanble, san ki i swiv sa menm Standing Order apre i dir en merveye avek sa ki dimoun i dir.

MR SPEAKER Me la nou pe retourn lo en lot keksoz Onorab Pillay.
HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Me mon krwar konman Speaker ou bezwen take li to task, akoz Leader Zafer Gouvernman, in abiz nou Standing Order avek Deputy Speaker pandan ou labsans.

Mon krwar sa pe devret ganny fer Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER Onorab Pillay si ou annan en pwen lo la mon ava ganny li an ekri silvouple.

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY Napa problenm Mr Speaker.

Mon ava aksepte ou Ruling … MR SPEAKER Onorab William ou ava prezant summing-up.

HON WAVEN WILLIAM Mersi Mr Speaker.

Bonn apre midi tou dimoun ki a lekout.


Mr Speaker avan ki mon konmanse mon ti ava kontan ki ou donn mwan sa garanti ki akoz konman en Manm Elekte anba konstitisyon en Standing Orders, mon annan serten privilez pou koze.

in poudir E mon santi poudir semenn pase e ozordi letan mon ti pe fer serten pwen valab, mon annan vwar lenterferans.

So, mon pa anvi fer malelve, ni walk out, ni resign mon anvi fer mon pwen Mr Speaker.

Alors mon anvi ki mon ganny sa sans pou fer mon lentervansyon avek trankilite.
MR SPEAKER Mon ava adres lo la silvouple.

Onorab William bomaten sa ki ou ti pe fer se ou ti pe lev en size ki an deor sa ki ti devan nou.

Savedir Terms of Reference ou Komite.

Rezon akoz mon ti aret ou, se pa pou limit akoz mon anvi limit ou lekspresyon, me tou senpleman akoz si ou ouver en size e en lot Manm i demann laparol pou adres sa size, mon pou santi mwan kontinyen alor nou ouver en lot deba.
oblize So se pou sa ki mon demann ou mon pa limit ou lekspresyon, me mon demann 91 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 14th July, 2021 ou pou reste lo size ki devan nou e sa sete Terms of Reference tout an respektan ou drwa.

Annou pa anmenn bann lezot size parey mon’n dir Onorab Pillay taler annou pa anmenn bann size ki’n fini pase annou kontinyen avek sa ki devan nou.

Mersi Onorab.

HON WAVEN WILLIAM Mersi Mr Speaker.


Mr Speaker mon remersi Bondye ki in bless mwan avek sa pasyans pou ekoute, pou regarde, analize e pou esey konpran sa sans lozik avek obzektivite pou kapab retourn sa deba, dan son vre konteks.

Mr Speaker, atraver mon drwa de repons konman Chairman Zafer Komite Zafer Etranzer, mon anvi dir comme swivan, e met lo rikord: Premyerman Mr Speaker.

Ki mon sirprann ek lapros ki Manm IAC Lopozisyon zot in pran bomaten lo diskisyon pou aprouv sa Mosyon.
Dezyenmman Mr Speaker, in ganny souvandfwa repete par Leader Lopozisyon ki nou bezwen vin en Lasanble serye.

Trwazyenmman Mr Speaker, zot aksyon atraver deliberasyon bomaten pa zis lo lo premye sa Mosyon, me Mosyon in klerman montre nou kote nou kote latab ki zot vre lentansyon anven aprouv sa de Mosyon.

Katriyenmman Mr Speaker, mon anvi ki sa i al lo rikord e pou manm piblik ki pe ekoute konpran, se ki size lamannman lo nou Referans Travay ti ganny met devan Komite Zafer Etranzer le 11 Novanm 2020.
Sekretarya Komite ti fer resers e soumet en draft le 20 Me 2021, kot tou Manm pou konsidere e fer zot kontribisyon.

E ti napa okenn kontribisyon sorti kot Manm apartir ki lo kote LDS.

pou reste Apre meeting le 24 Zen 2021 avek STB, apre revizyon lo en Trete tourizm, manm Komite ti lo lamannman Referans Travay Komite tou Manm ti partisipe e sizer bann sanzman dan text e wording sa Referans Travay Mr Speaker.
deliber sizesyon Sa bann e diskisyon anmennen bomaten par le de Manm Lopozisyon IAC sa se Onorab Aglae, Onorab Cosgrow pa ti zanmen souleve.

Zot ti annan sans pou fer konnen sekreter Komite e lezot Manm Komite Zafer Etranzer atraver nou WhatsApp group zot konsern pou konsider serten lezot sanzman.

Zot ti osi kapab servi WhatsApp limero prive sekreter sizesyon e 92 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 14th July, 2021 konman Deputy Clerk pou fer zot bann sizesyon.
Le 5 Zilyet Mr Speaker sekreter Komite ti anvoy vye Referans Travay e propozisyon amande kot tou Manm.

Le 30 Zen sak Manm Komite ti ganny en kopi demann, pou pas sa Mosyon ki ti ganny anvoye par email kot Clerk Lasanble enkli kopi nouvo Referans Travay.

Tou Manm ti annan dan zot posesyon kopi nouvo Terms of Reference.
Mosyon in vin devan Komite ABC Lasanble Nasyonal le 7 Zilyet, kot lo sa Komite dapre mon konpran i sipoze enkli Leader Lopozisyon, Leader Zafer Gouvernman, le de Chief Whip ou menm Speaker avek Clerk, ti napa Lopozisyon prezan.

Akoz dapre mon zot ti ankor pe proteste, me sa pa kapab vin problenm IAC sa Mr Speaker.

Clerk in anvoy Order Paper kot tou Manm Lasanble, tou le Zedi swar pli tar Vandredi ti napa propozisyon pou kot amannman Lopozisyon Mr Speaker.
sorti Mardi atraver sinyal nou fer serten ti leader mon lamannman tipografi, kot ankor kopi sa Referans Travay ti ganny re anvoye kot tou Manm Lasanble pou deliber la ozordi Mr Speaker.

lo Mr Speaker Deputy Clerk i ou temwen pros konman zanfan anploye, ki inisye tou bann aksyon e prosedir pou fasilit lenformasyon e dokiman apropriye, ki’n vin devan Lasanble e mon ankor pe remersi li pou son travay e pou gard bann rikord kredib.
Mr Speaker i kle alor atraver sa bann letap aksyon ki ase letan ti’n ganny donnen e ankor posibilite kontribisyon e sizesyon.

pou Mon ti ava konpran zot si lo dokiman ti annan keksoz ki zot ti’n sizere Mr Speaker, me ki pa’n ganny enkli.

Me sa i pa leka.

I kler ki pandan sa walk out zot in kapab retourn ek en lentansyon propoz sa demosyon san vreman demontre e an ekrir ek Depite Clerk zot obzeksyon e anver mon konman Chairman zot konsern.

E Manm Komite IAC Mr Speaker, e osi Komite ABC.


Dan sa laliny swivan vizyon nou bann dirizan dan manifesto lo size en nouvo ver Lasanble Eleksyon zeneral 2020 ki mon pou site Mr Speaker, Nasyonal ’’Sa rol oversight i reste enportan menm si mazorite Manm i sorti dan parti ki dan Gouvernman.
I zot devwar pou asire ki Gouvernman i swivre direksyon …’’ (Mr Speaker sa 93 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 14th July, 2021 spesyalman mo direksyon i en tre enportan taler mon ava vin lo la) ‘’ … apropriye pou deal ek bann defi dan Nasyonal revizyon size finansyel, parey dan deliberasyon bidzeter pou asire ki larzan piblik i ganny byen lentere Nasyonal.’’ Fen sitasyon.
Mr Speaker, sa mo ‘direksyon’ i kapab ganny enterprete a mon avi atraver Polisi, stratezi, plan e manda ki en Komite son travay oversight i kapab ganny fer.

zere dan So bann lentervansyon ki nou’n gannyen bomaten sepa ki manda pa merit enkli Polisi pa devret enkli, mon kontan ki Onorab Henrie in tous la sa laspe Polisi.

lanmen Akoz si nou anvi bouz devan, nouvo Gouvernans in etonn avek nou Lasanble pou nou travay pros.
E alors avek en Lasanble serye, ki nou anvi redinamiz nou rol oversight, mon krwar kontenir sa Terms of Reference i apropriye.

Mr Speaker, mon pou azoute osi Mr Speaker, ki pep Seselwa deor la, pe bezwen krwar ki Konstitisyon pei i en dokiman mor.

E ki pa kapab ganny sanze Mr Speaker.

Ki nou gid travay Lasanble pa kapab ganny sanze Mr Speaker.
E ki nou Referans reponn zisteman Travay pa kapab ganny sanze pou a legzizans devlopman e sanzman dan striktir en Minister, dan fason travay direksyon pei, Lasanble travay proaktiv Komite Lasante Mr Speaker.

fason e Wi, nou serten regard e nonm enplimant enternasyonal.

Wi nou seye obzerv the best practices.

E sa bann pei Mr Speaker.

Ozordi se en Gouvernman LDS ki o pouvwar, e en avek en mazorite Manm LDS ki dan Lasanble Nasyonal, ek en nouvo lapros Mr Speaker.
Serten privilez e drwa pa devret negliz lefe ki mazorite i annan privilez e drwa Mr Speaker.

Mr Speaker Leader Lopozisyon atraver ou in annan sa privilez ki mon reste mon respekte.

Me mon santi Mr Speaker e la mon met sa kestyon avek ou Mr Speaker si mon konman en Manm Lasanble Mr Speaker mon santi ou pe fer en bon travay ouswa ou Mr Speaker ou santi mon pe fer en bon travay e vice versa mwan mon felisit ou ouswa ou felisit mon eski sa i en matter of privilege ki’n ganny leve Mr Speaker?
Mon ava les sa kestyon avek ou Mr Speaker.

Mr Speaker, mon’n ariv la par sipor 1400 ekek Manm 94 Verbatim Report NAS Sitting Wednesday 14th July, 2021 nou ava rezwenn Mardi Prosen 9er.

Nou adjourn.

(ADJOURNMENT) sitwayen distrik Grand Anse Mahé.

rekonnet ki E atraver ou Mr Speaker mon Leader Lopozisyon i Leader Lopozisyon par 10 vot Mr Speaker.

E Mr Speaker mon krwar mon’n fer le pwen e mon remersi ou mon ti dan Lasanble Nasyonal pou siport sa Mosyon.

Mersi.
Mersi.

(APPLAUSE) MR SPEAKER Mersi Mr Onorab William, e felisitasyon pou ou summing- up, ki’n reste to the point.

Avek sa nou ava prosede pou vot lo Terms of Reference International Affairs Committee, Manm ki an faver pou aprouv sa revizyon Terms of Reference lev lanmen silvouple?

Okenn Manm ki kont?

Mersi.

Mersi lo kestyon pou aprouv of Reference International Affairs Committee IAC in ganny 21 Manm vot pour, 0 vot kont, e 9 abstansyon.
revised of Terms Alor Mosyon pou aprouv IAC Terms of Reference in aprouve par Committee Lasanble.

Mersi, avek sa nou’n ariv a lafen nou travay pou ozordi e mon ava swet tou bann Manm en bon kouraz pou travay pou sa de dernyen zour ki reste dan lasemenn, e nou, 95