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THE SECOND MEETING OF THE THIRD SESSION OF THE TWELFTH PARLIAMENT TUESDAY 15 FEBRUARY 2022 MIXED VERSION HANSARD NO: 205 THE NATIONAL ASSEMBLY SPEAKER The Hon.

Phandu T. C. Skelemani PH, MP.

DEPUTY SPEAKER Hon.

P. P. P. Moatlhodi, MP.

(Tonota) Clerk of the National Assembly Deputy Clerk of the National Assembly Learned Parliamentary Counsel Assistant Clerk (E) His Excellency Dr M. E. K. Masisi, MP.

His Honour S. Tsogwane, MP.


(Boteti West) CABINET - President - Vice President - Ms B. N. Dithapo - Mr L. T. Gaolaolwe - Advocate L. O. Tlhowe - Mr R. Josiah Hon.

K. N. S. Morwaeng, MP.

(Molepolole South) - Minister for Presidential Affairs, Governance and Public Administration Hon.

K. T. Mmusi, MP.

(Gabane-Mmankgodi) - Minister of Defence, Justice and Security Hon.

Dr L. Kwape, MP.

(Kanye South) - Minister of International Affairs and Cooperation Hon.

K. K. Autlwetse, MP.


(Specially Elected) - Minister of Local Government and Rural Development Hon.

K. S. Gare, MP.

(Moshupa-Manyana) - Minister of Agricultural Development and Food Security Hon.

P. K. Kereng, MP.

(Specially Elected) - Minister of Environment, Natural Resources Conservation and Tourism Hon.

Dr E. G. Dikoloti MP.

(Mmathethe-Molapowabojang) - Minister of Health and Wellness Hon.

T.M.

Segokgo, MP.

(Tlokweng) - Minister of Transport and Communications Hon.

K. Mzwinila, MP.
K. Mzwinila, MP.

(Specially Elected) - Minister of Land Management, Water and Sanitation Services Hon.

T. M. Rakgare, MP.

(Mogoditshane) - Minister of Youth Empowerment, Sport and Culture Development Hon.

A. M. Mokgethi, MP.

(Gaborone Bonnington North) - Minister of Nationality, Immigration and Gender Affairs Hon.

P. O. Serame, MP.

(Specially Elected) - Minister of Finance and Economic Development Hon.

F. M. M. Molao, MP.

(Shashe West) - Minister of Basic Education Hon.

Dr D. Letsholathebe, MP.


(Tati East) Hon.

L. M. Moagi, MP.

(Ramotswa) - Minister of Tertiary Education, Research, Science and Technology - Minister of Mineral Resources, Green Technology and Energy Security Hon.

M. Kgafela, MP.

(Mochudi West) - Minister of Investment, Trade and Industry Hon.

M. R. Shamukuni, MP.

(Chobe) - Minister of Employment, Labour Productivity and Skills Development Hon.

E. M. Molale, MP.

(Goodhope-Mabule) - Minister of Infrastructure and Housing Development Hon.
D. M. Mthimkhulu, MP.

(Gaborone South) - Assistant Minister, Presidential Affairs, Governance and Public Administration Hon.

S. N. Modukanele, MP.

(Lerala -Maunatlala) Hon.

T. Monnakgotla, MP.

(Kgalagadi North) Hon.

M. M. Pule, MP.

(Mochudi East) Hon.

M. S. Molebatsi, MP.


(Mmadinare) - Assistant Minister, Local Government and Rural Development - Assistant Minister, Local Government and Rural Development - Assistant Minister, Local Government and Rural Development - Assistant Minister, Agricultural Development and Food Security Hon.

S. Lelatisitswe, MP.

(Boteti East) - Assistant Minister, Health and Wellness Hon.

N. W. T. Makwinja, MP.

(Lentsweletau-Mmopane) - Assistant Minister, Basic Education Hon.

B. Manake, MP.
B. Manake, MP.

(Specially Elected) - Assistant Minister, Investment, Trade and Industry Hon.

H. B. Billy, MP.

(Francistown East) Hon.

A. Lesaso, MP.

(Shoshong) - Assistant Minister, Youth Empowerment, Sport and Culture Development - Assistant Minister,Tertiary Education, Research, Science and Technology MEMBERS OF PARLIAMENT AND THEIR CONSTITUENCIES Names Constituency Hon.

L. Kablay, MP.

(Government Whip) Letlhakeng-Lephephe RULING PARTY (Botswana Democratic Party) Hon.

Dr U. Dow, MP.

Hon.


P. Majaga, MP.

Hon.

M. Balopi, MP.

Hon.

J. S. Brooks, MP.

Hon.

C. Greeff, MP.

Hon.

T. Letsholo, MP.

Hon.

T. F. Leuwe, MP.

Hon.

T. Mangwegape-Healy, MP.

Hon.

Dr T. Matsheka, MP.

Hon.

S. N. Moabi, MP.

Hon.

P. K. Motaosane, MP.

Hon.

O. Regoeng, MP.

Hon.

J. L. Thiite, MP.


Specially Elected Nata-Gweta Gaborone North Kgalagadi South Gaborone Bonnington South Kanye North Takatokwane Gaborone Central Lobatse Tati West Thamaga-Kumakwane Molepolole North Ghanzi North OPPOSITION (Umbrella for Democratic Change) Hon.

D. Saleshando, MP.

(Leader of the Opposition) Hon.

M. G. J. Motsamai, MP.


(Opposition Whip) Maun West Ghanzi South Selebi Phikwe West Mahalapye East Sefhare-Ramokgonami Ngami Okavango Maun East Bobonong Selebi Phikwe East Palapye Nkange Mahalapye West Francistown West Hon.

D. L. Keorapetse, MP.

Hon.

Y. Boko, MP.

Hon.

Dr K. Gobotswang, MP.

Hon.

C. K. Hikuama, MP.

Hon.

K. K. Kapinga, MP Hon.

G. Kekgonegile, MP.

Hon.

T. B. Lucas, MP.

Hon.

K. Nkawana, MP.

Hon.

O. Ramogapi, MP.

Hon.

Dr N. Tshabang, MP.

Hon.

D. Tshere, MP.

Hon.


M. I. Moswaane, MP.

Hon.

T. S. Khama, MP.

Hon.

L. Lesedi, MP.

Hon.

B. Mathoothe, MP.

Hon.

M. Reatile, MP.

(Botswana Patriotic Front) Serowe West Serowe South Serowe North Jwaneng-Mabutsane Hon.

W. B. Mmolotsi, MP.
Francistown South (Alliance for Progressives) TABLE OF CONTENTS THE SECOND MEETING OF THE THIRD SESSION OF THE TWELFTH PARLIAMENT TUESDAY 15th FEBRUARY, 2022 CONTENTS PAGE (S SPEAKER’S REMARKS..........................................................................................................................................1 QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER...............................................................................................................21-28 GOVERNMENT BILL Appropriation (2022/2023) Bill, 2022 (No.
2 of 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate).......................................................................................................1-20, 29-60 Tuesday 15th February, 2022 THE ASSEMBLY met at 11:00 a.m. (THE SPEAKER in the Chair) P R A Y E R S * * * * SPEAKER’S REMARKS MR SPEAKER (MR MOATLHODI): Good morning Honourable Members, re kopa go le bona difatlhego.

Re kopa gore le tshube dipone tsa lona ka tsone re setse re le di tsheletse leokwane go le gale.
Re kopa go le bona difatlhego gore re tle re simolole tirokgolo ya moso wa gompieno ka Modimo Rara o re gorositse fa Ntlong eno ya kemelo ya tšhaba ya lefatshe leno.

Order!

Order!

Honourable Members, we are quorated.

APPROPRIATION (2022/2023) BILL, 2022 (NO.

2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) MR SPEAKER: When the House adjourned yesterday evening, Honourable Minister responsible for Youth Empowerment, Sport and Culture Development was on the floor, and he is left with 26 minutes 36 seconds.
MINISTER OF YOUTH EMPOWERMENT, SPORT AND CULTURE DEVELOPMENT (MR RAKGARE): Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, ke dumedise le Batlotlegi.
Ke ne ke sa tswa go thaya puo yame Mr Speaker, mme ke tswelele ke supe fa gore rona mo Ministry of Youth Empowerment, Sport and Culture Development re itumetse thata ka gone gore tse tota re ntseng re di dira, e le one maiteko a go leka go tswelela re tlhabolola metshameko, go lebega e le gore seo Puso le yone e a se bona, lephata la ga Motlotlegi Serame le a se bona.
Ke sone se e leng gore on Page 2 at Paragraph 6 Mr Speaker, ke tletse boitumelo ka gore go supafala gore there will be a provision e e tlaa bong e le foo e itebagantse le gone go tlhabolola sport talent; kopo e re neng re e dirile re e lebagantse le go leka go tlhabolola school sport.

Metshameko kwa dikoleng ke sengwe sa dilo tse di botlhokwa thata.
Mafatshe a a dirang bontle mo metshamekong, bontsi jwa one a dira bojotlhe gore metshameko kwa dikoleng kwa bana ba leng teng, talente e kgone go tlhotlhwa gone koo.

P24 million ene yo re mo lebogela fela thata.

Madi ga a nke e lekana Mr Speaker, mme re dumela gore kana go a tse gotwe lemme ga le bolaye go bolaya lefifi, re lebogela thuso yone e ya bone ba Ministry of Finance and Economic Development.
Fa o lebelela metshameko ka bophara mo lefatsheng la ga rona, re kare ga re ise re goroge kwa re batlang teng, mme sengwe se a diragala, tema e a bonala Mr Speaker.

Ke itumela thata fa e le gore jaanong malatsi a private participation mo go godiseng metshameko e a bonala.

Go a bonala gore mme gone bone ba ba ikemetseng ka nosi e le dikompone, ba tshelegela ka dipalo kana ka bokete mo metshamekong.

Re re gone mo ga go a lekana, re tlaabo re ntse re kopa gore ba bangwe ba nne ba atamele ba re thuse.
Bosigo jwa maabane re letse re amogela madi a a kanang ka P300 000 go tswa mo go bone ba Lucara Botswana.

Ba ne ba supa gore ba tlile go neela bomme ba rona “The Mares” e le setlhopha sa setšhaba se segolwane sa bomme, se se phaketseng se emelela moso wa gompieno ba leba kwa Zimbabwe go ya go tsenelela metshameko yone ya African Women’s Football Cup on Nations.

E le magato a mabedi, first leg and second leg, ba tshameka le lefatshe la Zimbabwe.
Re a ba leboga ba Lucara Botswana for tiro e ntle e e kanakana e. Maabanenyana fela jana ngwaga one o, re ne re amogela madi a a kanang ka P9 million a itebagantse le bone ba Botswana Athletics Association (BAA) a tswa kwa Debswana, and a further P3 million a ntse a tswa kwa Debswana e le gore ke madi a programme ya rona ya Re Ba Bona Fa.

Tse Mr Speaker, ke tse e leng gore di are itumedisa ka gore re dumela gore ka tsone metshameko e tlaa ya golo gongwe.
We are very clear Mr Speaker, re le lephata, mme with the support of Government, re dumela gore golo gognwe re tlaa go ya.

We are very clear gore 2027 we want to host metseletsele ya African Cup of Nations (AFCON).

Re dira se re sa lebelela gore ba ba tlileng go thusega, ba ba tlileng go roba sengwe mo metshamekong yone e kana mo go tshegetseng metshameko yone e, ke ba metshameko fela, nnyaa.
Re lebile le gore le bone badiragatsi ba rona ba tlile go nna le sebaka to entertain bajanala gore ba kgone gore ba bapatse music wa rona, ba bapatse ka fa re dirang ka teng.

Ngwao ya rona ba e bapatse mo go ba ba tlaa bong ba re tlile.

E bile gape re na le tsholofelo ya gore e tlaa re go tswa gone foo, bone bao gape ba nne ba ba tseye ba ba biletse kwa mafatsheng a bone ba tswelele ba ye go natefisa.

1 Hansard No 205Tuesday 15th February, 2022APPROPRIATION (2022/2023) BILL, 2022 (NO.
2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) Dikgang tsone tsa maroko, go na le Batswana ba ga rona ba ba a iteka ba na le accommodation facilities, bana le bo bed and breakfast, lodges fale le fale.

Re batla batho ba gore ka 2027 e bo e le gore le bone ba kgona gore ba robe sengwe.

A ke ba taxis, ke dijo tsa rona, leswao la rona le re le swaang monate, mokoto wa rona o re itsegeng ka one; sengwe le sengwe Mr speaker.
A o ka akanya ka dipe tse e leng gore re a di dira, tse re di betlang mo lefatsheng la rona, re dumela gore tse di tlile go felela re kgona gore ka tsone ngwao ya rona re tswelele re ntse re e bapatsa mo mafatsheng a mangwe.

E bile kwa bofelong, re kgone gore re tlise boitumelo jo bo seng kana ka sepe, Batswana ba kgone gore ba kopanngwe ke metshameko yone e. Mr Speaker, ga se moo fela, ke itse fela sentle gore lephata la ga Tona Serame ba ntse ba re eme nokeng.
Re buile mo nakong e e fetileng, re ne ra tla mo Palamenteng fa re establish National Arts Council of Botswana, mme re tsweletse ka implementation ya yone.
Ke itse gore mo go se ba se re neetseng, mo teng re tlaabo re lebile gore mme gone re tle re dire jang gore re tswelele ka yone implementation yone e. Ke dumela gore tse dingwe tse ke tlaa di bua sentle fa re setse re tsena mo sebakeng sone se re tlaa bong re se filwe gore re le maphata jaanong re dire our own presentations, Batswana ba tle ba utlwe ba mmogo le banana le bone badiragatsi gore re dira go le kae.
Ke batla go tsena mo kgannyeng e nngwe Mr Speaker, e Tona a e buileng ya Constituency Community Project (CCP) e ke reng ke kgang e re e amogelang, re e lebogelang Mr Speaker, e e tlaa re thusang mo dikgaolong tsa rona ka gone gore go mathata mo dikgaolong tsa rona, letlhoko le kwa godimo.
Fa Motlotlegi Tona wa Madi a ntse a supa jaana, boeteledipele bo reeditse, mme e bile ka gore ngwaga o o fetileng go ne go sena madi one a, lemme lone le sa CCP, mme monongwaga seo se tlaa nna teng re lebile ngwaga wa madi o re tsenang mo go one, moo ke mo ke lebosegang fela Mr Speaker.

Process ya to procure Mr Speaker, a ko e nne transparent.

Minister wa madi a tlhaloganye gore ke custodian ya sepatšhe sa ga Goromente, mme a bone gore o ka dira Mr Speaker.
A tle ka metlhale e mesha ya gore mme gone theko e Puso e e dirang, le ntswa ke itse gore re sa tswa go fetisa Procurement Bill, theko e Puso e tsenang mo go yone, re leke bojotlhe gore madi a Batswana re a babalele.

Re dire bojotlhe go hema dilo tse re nnang re di utlwa gore batho ba bangwe front ka ba bangwe, batswakwa e le gore o eteletsa Motswana pele, e le gore kompone ya gagwe e iphithile ka ya Motswana yo e leng gore o mo eteleditse pele, o dira madi a le behind the scenes.
Dilo tse ga di a siama Mr Speaker, re bone gore mme gone re ka dira jang.

Ke dumela gore some of these things di motlhofo go bona fela gore mme gone fa e le gore kompone e ke ya ga Lefhoko Moagi, o tlaa ne o sale o bone gore ke ya ga Lefhoko Moagi ka gore e tshwanetse e bo e na le a track record ya gore mme e ntse e dira ditiro tsone tseo.
Tiro e a e batlang, go tshwanetse go bo go supafala gore mme motho yo o kile a dira tiro yone e. Fa re ka se ke re dire jalo Mr Speaker, re ya go iphitlhela e le gore jaanong re nna re ntse re bua ka Batswana, re batla gore ditiro tse CCP projects e nne tsa Batswana, they will be reserved for Batswana mme e le gore jaanong ke puo ya rona e e tswang ka dipounama tsa rona fela, mme on the ground ga go diragale jalo.
Tona wa Madi fa e le gore go a kgonagala a tshwaragane le Minister wa Local Government gore gongwe go batliwe someone who can coordinate these projects.

Kana ke tsela epe fela, ke ene a itseng gore, gore re kgone go dira dilo sentle, re ka dira ka tsela e e ntseng jang.

Re utlwa botlhoko Mr Speaker, fa e le gore re a itse gore go na le dikago tse di agiwang, kamoso o a ne o utlwa gotwe go agilwe LA2 house, P450 000.00, go tsentswe dipone, P300 000.00, go dirilwe se.
Go itshamekelwa ka madi fela, mme the Minister should be closer to action.

Dilo tse re tshwanetse re bone gore re dira jang ka tsone, re kgone go babalela madi a Batswana.

Re itumelela expansion ya A1, gore e ya go dirwa dual carriage way.

Re se ka ra lebala gore tiro e e sale e simolotse go tswa mo Tonota go ya Francistown, 30 kilometers (km) o ne a setse a dirilwe.

Gompieno Tona o supa gore Tonota to Palapye, 134 km o ya go dirwa.
Re tshwanetse re neele Batswana sebaka sa go dira tsela e, go tswa fela kwa Ramokgwebana, go ya go tsena kwa Ramatlabama, e nne dikompone tsa Batswana.

Ke dumela gore di teng tse di setseng di itshupile gore ditiro tse di tona tse ba ka di dira.

Batho ba bangwe ba letso le lengwe le re le itseng, le go nnang go buiwa ka lone mo Palamenteng, gore ba tsaya ditiro tsotlhe, re ko fela re tlhamalele gore nnyaa, tse re di beela Batswana.
Ga go na ope wa mmala o yo o tlileng go tsenya letsogo mo tirong ya Ramatlabama to Ramokgwebana.

Re tlhamalele re le Puso re re, expansion ya tsela e, re ya go e neela dikompone tsa Batswana e seng bape gape.

Ke ka itumela thata Mr Speaker, fa go ka nna jalo.

Seo se ya to create mebereko for Batswana ba rona, dikompone tsa rona tsa Batswana, re a itse ke golo mo go tlhamaletseng, fa ba sena go dira madi, ba filwe ditiro ke Puso, madi ao a sala mo lefatsheng la rona.
2 Hansard No 205Tuesday 15th February, 2022APPROPRIATION (2022/2023) BILL, 2022 (NO.

2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) They reinvest madi one a ba a dirileng mo lefatsheng la ga rona.

Letso le re tlholang re bua ka lone le rotlhe re lelang ka lone, re a itse gore sa ntlha re tlhola re utlwa menahune ya gore ga ba duele lekgetho.

Sa bobedi, ba rwala madi a otlhe ba a isa kwa lefatsheng la ga bone.

Golo mo Mr Speaker, ga go a siama, re tshwanetse go bona gore re dira jang ka gone gore go eme.
ba re itseng sentle gore bontsi jwa bone ke batswakwa.

Gone moo go tlile go re thusa gore ditlhwatlhwa tsa matlo a khiriso, di wele kwa tlase ka gore mafelo a a mabapi le Gaborone, go tlaabo go raya gore batho ba kgona go ikagela.

Le Batswana ba ba mo mafelong one ao, ba kgone go aga, ba hirisetse bana ba rona, mme letseno le tsene mo diatleng tsa batho ba rona.

Bagarona ba Umbrella for Democratic Change (UDC), ba se ka ba ipaya mogopolo o pele, hewee!

Hewee!
Hewee!

ke rona re tlileng ka gore Ramatlabama-Ramokgwebana e dirwe dual carriage way, ae, ga se experts tsa ditsela.

Ba se ka ba ipaya dilo tse fela ka ba kwadile mo manifesto, did they write everything in their manifesto?

No, they did not.

Tse re di dirang re le Puso, e le ditlhabololo, re di tlisa mo lefatsheng la Botswana, a tsotlhe tse re di kwadile in our manifesto?

No, tse dingwe re di kwadile Mr Speaker, mme ga re a di kwala in details.
Re tlile go tswelela re le Puso, re tlhabolola lefatshe la rona, mme e se ka ya re fa re dira jalo, ba bangwe e bo e le gore ba supa gore jaanong ke bone ka gore ba kwadile mo manifesto wa bone gore rona fa re tsena, re ya go dira A1 dual carriage way.

Re tsweletse ka ditlhabololo Mr Speaker, mme go a bonala jaaka Tona a ne a re baya budget pele, gore maikaelelo a teng a gore re tswelele re nne re tlhabolole.
Se sengwe Mr Speaker, se ke batlang go feta ka sone ke gore a e re re ntse re dira jaana mo tirong yone e ya rona, re nne re bone gore re thusa jang Honourable Mzwinila.

Ke santse ke dumela gore morago ga tiro e tona e e dirilweng ke Puso ya go tlisa metsi go tswa bo Masama go tla ka kwano, go siela batho ba Mokwena, Borolong, Thamaga, batho ba ga Honourable Dikoloti metsi gammogo le ba bangwe jalojalo, the next biggest project that we must embark on as a Government e nne kgang ya kabo ya lefatshe.
If it means go ya go senka madi kwa re ka a senkang teng, gore fa go kgonagalang teng, re tsenyetse Batswana metsi mo lefatsheng, Rre Lefoko a tsenye motlakase, re beye Batswana, let it be Mr Speaker.

Golo mo ga go re jese diwelang bangwe ba rona.

Ga go nne sentle Mr Speaker, gore re bo re na le batho ba sa bolo go ikopela lefatshe, ba na le dingwaga tse di fetang bo 20, ba emetse lefatshe, mme ba sa le bone.
Motho a ikopela lefatshe e le monana a bo a tsofala a ntse a bapile le application gone fa e le gore ga a ise a neelwe lefatshe.

Golo mo Mr Speaker, re tshwanetse go bona gore re ka dira jang gore re tle re thuse Honourable Mzwinila ka madi gore dilo tse di ye go dirwa.
Se se tlaa re thusa go fokotsa rentals, jaaka re itse gore go lopiwa madimadi ke ba ba into property, Re leboga Honourable Molale ka a ne a santse a le kwa Ministry wa Local Government, sengwe sa dilo tse dintle tse re di itumelelang kwa Mogoditshane Mr Speaker, ke go utlwa sentle gore go ya go tla 25 km ya internal roads… MR LESEDI: Clarification.

Ke a leboga Rra Nkamo.

Ke a leboga Minister.


Ke ne ke re fa kgannyeng ya lefatshe ya ditsha, gongwe ke go utlwisise Honourable Minister, tota mme tumelo ya gago ke eng?

Le eletsa go thusa Minister wa Lands jang?

A bothata ke kgang ya gore lefatshe ga le yo kana ke gore gongwe go na le mabaka a gore compensation e kwa tlase?

Ke a leboga Honourable Minister.

MR RAKGARE: Mabaka a mantsi Honourable Lesedi.

Kgang ya compensation go lebega e le marara.


Ba bangwe ba re kana fa o tla o nneela P100 000.00, o bo o tsaya tshimo ya me, re itse gore 10 hectares wa tshimo ya me o ka ntsha ditsha di le kae, gone moo o kare le ntswa lefatshe e le la Puso, ke jewa ntsoma ke le Motswana.

Ke dumela gore solutions di kwa go Tona wa Madi.

Se nna ke se buang fela ke gore re le Palamente, re thuse mo nakong e e tlang, re bone gore re tshwaragana jang re le Mapalamente a Botswana Democratic Party (BDP) le a UDC.
Gore re tshwaragana jang gore re thuse Honourable Mzwinila ka madi, re mo abele madi a kgone to service lefatshe ka fa a ka kgonang ka teng, a bo a ka neela Batswana lefatshe.

Ke ne ke santse ke re ke lebogela Tona Molale ka nako e a neng a santse e le Minister wa Local Government gore go diragetse tse dintle thata… MR LEUWE: Clarification.

Thank you Mr Speaker.

Thank you Honourable Rakgare.

O kgomile ntlha e e amang Batswana thata le go feta Rre Rakgare fa o utlwa ke kopa clarification jaana.
Ke a utlwa gore o bua thata o ganeletse mo kgaolong ya gago, e re itseng gore e na le bothata jwa go tlhoka lefatshe, gore e nne le lefatshe, ke gore go rekiwe mo Batswaneng.

Ke ne ke re kgang e re neng re e dumalana fa ya gore kwa go nang le lefatshe teng, jaaka kwa bo Takatokwane, gone go ka thusiwa Batswana jang ka gore koo lefatshe le santse le le teng, ga go ise go tlhokiwe gore go rekwe sepe?

Le ka thusa Rre Mzwinila jang mo go yone gore e kgone go diragala ka gore re e dumalane mo Palamenteng?
3 Hansard No 205Tuesday 15th February, 2022APPROPRIATION (2022/2023) BILL, 2022 (NO.

2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) MR RAKGARE: Ke a leboga.

Honourable Leuwe, yone kgang eo kana, ke sone se ke buang ka madi.

Honourable Mzwinila o tlaa go bolelela gore o tlhokana le planers, mapotiela.

Lefatshe le ya go abiwa, mme e le gore go na le ba ba le lebileng, ba le kgaogantse, go sekilwe sentle le ntswa go sena ditlamelo.
Jaanong gone golo moo, go botlhokwa thata gore re mo neele madi seo se diragale.
Ke ne ke santse ke re ke leboga Honourable Molale a ne a santse a le kwa Local Government le Tona yo o leng teng wa nako ya gompieno wa Local Government, yo o nonofileng go feta go nonofa, Honourable Autlwetse, gore ba bo ba re reeditse, re itela le rona ka fa re neng re itela ka teng, gore kana bagaetsho, le a bona gore go ntse jang, mme 25km yo wa ditsela kwa Mogoditshane, kgaolo ya Ledumadumane, Nkoyaphiri le Mahatlane, sengwe se tlaa bonala.
Kana gone golo mo, go raya gape gore ditiro di ya go nna teng for our people.

Ke re le yone e, Batswana ba neelwe sebaka, ba dire ditsela tse, ba hire Batswana ba bangwe, batho ba rona ba kgone go nna le letseno.

Mr Speaker, nako e tsamaile mme go santse go le gontsi mo ke neng ke batla go go bua.

Go ne go buiwa ka ditiro, gore re didimetse Tona ga a bue sepe ka gore o ya go dira ditiro ka tsela e e ntseng jang.
Ke ntse ke tlhalosa fa ka dikakanyo tsa ga Tona tse a re di beileng pele gore o akanya gore o ya go dira eng, expansion ya A1, CCP jaaka re ya go di dira, ke ditiro golo moo.

Kgang tsa Mogoditshane tsa internal roads, ke ditiro golo moo.

Population census 2022; go ya go nna le bana ba ba yang go hiriwa, around 7000 young people, as well as those who will be supervising them.

Go builwe ka 3509 wa temporary teachers, ke se e leng gore ga gona jaaka re ka se ngongoregela.
Go tle gotwe “Takataka ga a tshwane le tshoo,” re a dumela re le Goromente wa Domkrag gore ditiro tsa sennelaruri di a tlhokafala.

Fa bana ba rona ba kgonang gore ba ka tsenya letsogo ba oba letsogo Mr Speaker, gone moo re tlile go tswelela re ntse re go lebogela.

Ke batla ke tsene mo go e nngwe ya gore kwa Kgaolong ya Mogoditshane, re tshotse kampa ya masole le nngwe ya dikampa tse ditona tsa mapodise.

Mo nakong e e tlang Tona ya Madi, a re nne re bone gore re latlhelela Honourable Mmusi.
Re batla go bona presence ya mapodise e bonala, sepodise sa rona se phatlaletse lefatshe la Botswana, especially mo ditoropong le mafelo a a mabapi fa re tlhakaladitsweng ke dirukutlhi.

Batswana fa ba sena go nna ba ipapalela se ba se ipapalelang, ba nna le mathata a gore batho ba tla ba ba amoga ditsabone e le ka ntata ya gore visibility ya mapodise ga e kalokalo.

We need to employ more police officers, ba tlhokana le more resources.
Re tshwanetse re lebelele gape le dituelo le tlhokomelo ya masole a rona.

Mapodise, masole le ba Prisons, batho ba kana re tshwanetse gore re tlhaloganye gore bone ga ba na unions.

Ga gona ope yo o ba buelelelang.

Ga gona ope yo o tlaa reng Puso, emang fa re kopa go buabua le lona ka letlhoko la batho ba rona.
Batho ba ke batho ba rona, ke itse gore Tautona o ne a ba latlhelela mo dingwageng tse pedi tse tharo tse di fetileng, mme go a tlhokafala gore re nne re ntse re lebile welfare ya bone re bone gore re ka dira ka tsela e e ntseng jang.

Madi a bagolo ba rona Mr Speaker, P100 yo o tsentswe go ntshiwa from P530 to P630.

Motswana a re, “La modisa letlharapana ga nke le galalwa,” ke sone se rona as the BDP Government re tshelang ka sone.
Bonnyennyane jo bo leng teng fela jaaka Motswana a rile “Bana ba motho ba kgaogana tlhogwana ya ntsi,” ke gore re ngathogane re latlhelele Village Development Committee (VDC) P100, re latlhelele bagodi ba rona P100.

Golo moo go tsile go mo thusa go tswa fa go ya go tsena golo gongwenyana, o tlaa kgona go reka semente sa sukiri ka P100 yoo.

Bo asa bo ya pele, ga go a lekana mme fela sengwe sone se diragetse.
Ngwaga o o tlang re solofela gore Mma Serame o tlaa boela fa, fa go na le sengwe a boe gape a latlhele lemmenyana.

A itlhokomolose ba mo go bone madi e leng ntletsentletse; le bo “mongwe o tshwanetse gore a okelediwe madi, e bile a okelediwa ka dipalo tse di kwa godimo.

Mongwe le mongwe o tshwanetse gore ditlhabololo di nne teng kwa kgaolong ya gagwe,” fa o ipotsa gore madi a tlaabo a tswa kae, ga gona ope yo o bolelelang.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification.


MR RAKGARE: Mr Speaker, ke batla go feta ka kgang e nngwe ke e ka gore ke bona gore nako ya me e a tsamaya.

Re bua fa re a lela re le Mapalamente, I want to challenge Honourable Members of Parliament (MPs), re a lela re bua ka corruption.

Honourable Mavange Moabi o letse a bua ka kgang e a re, corruption e simolola ka rona, a re bone gore re e lwantsha ka tsela e e ntseng jang re patagane.
Jaaka fa re le fa we are 63 as the MPs, re na le sitting allowance, it is public knowledge ga se mo gotweng go a senkwa, re tsaya madi a a kanang ka P450 letsatsi le letsatsi, beke fa e wela Puso e ntsha madi a a kanang ka P141 750.

Mr Speaker, a re dumalane ditlhabololo di saletse kwa morago, batho ba rona ba a tlhoka, ba mo leshekereng, re oba letsogo, 4 Hansard No 205Tuesday 15th February, 2022APPROPRIATION (2022/2023) BILL, 2022 (NO.
2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) go na le se re se bonang, a ko re supe gore re a kgathala ka matshelo a batho ba rona re re, re tlaa amogela mo re go bonang kgwedi e fela, sitting allowance a re bone gore e ka ya kwa kae.

Madi a ke madi a mantsi, a a ka thusang batho ba rona.

Batho ba lese go nna batla mo Palamenteng, ba tla fa ka gore ba mo television (tv) ya Batswana, ba bolelela Batswana tse ba ka se keng ba di dire.
A re dumalaneng fa re le Mapalamente gore P141 750 per week, yo re mo neelwang re le 63 jaana e le tshoboko, re bone gore re dira jang a ye go tswelela ka ditlhabololo tse dingwe.
HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… MR RAKGARE: Re lese go nna re tla fa re bua dikgang tse e seng tsone, mme re lela ka tsone re ka se ke le rona re tsenye letsogo mo ditlhabololong, re amogele gore lefatshe la rona ga le dire madi jaaka pele, re amogele gore COVID-19 e re tseetse madi otlhe, mme Batswana matshelo a bone a tshwanetse gore a tswelele.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Jaanong bo Yandani Boko ba ba duelwang mahala ba sa tle bone?

MR RAKGARE: Ke digela ka kgang ke e Mr Speaker.


Maabane fa go letse go buiwa gore, Honourable Lesaso ke gone a neng a tswa a ya kwa phathi ya Domkrag, e bile ditlhabololo di matsorotsoro kwa go ene.

A re emise go senya ba bangwe maina, re emise dipuo tse di buiwang tsa gore gotwe Honourable Lesaso o rekilwe.

Ka 2012 phathi ya Botswana National Front (BNF), mongwe wa Mapalamente wa yone e ne le Honourable Mephato Reatile, o ne a fuduga and joined BDP.
Ka 2020 o ne a fuduga mo BDP a ya kwa Botswana Patriotic Front (BPF).

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Le mo kobile gakere.

MR RAKGARE: Ga gona ope yo o kileng a re Honourable Reatile o rekilwe.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Le ne le mo dirisa.

MR RAKGARE: Honourable Moswaane joined UDC, ga gona ope yo o kileng a re Honourable Moswaane o rekilwe.

The UDC MPs must stop this thing ya gore ba re batho ba rekilwe.
In fact… HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… MR RAKGARE: …golo mo go tswa kgakala ga gore Mapalamente ba ka tlogela kwa ba leng teng, ba ya kwa diphathing tse dingwe.

Le kwa ga Mmamosadinyana kwa Palamenteng ya the House of Commons, go a diragala.

Go sale go simologa ka ngwaga wa 1979, ka 1979 go filhelela gompieno go setse go fudugile Mapalamente a le 167, ba tswa ka fa ba potla kafa.
Ga se tlholo ntšha, fa o sa itumela e bile thata gongwe go na le mathata a re itseng gore a teng, jaaka re itse gore Honourable Lesaso le Honourable Pono Moatlhodi ba gorogile kwa go rona go na le mathata kwa UDC, mme ga re ise re ko re bue sepe ka gore Honourable Reatile le Honourable Moswaane ba rekilwe.

Re amogetse, ka gore re ne re itse gore ke ditshwetso tsa bone e le Batlotlegi Mapalamente.

Jaanong, a re emiseng go dira jalo.


Tswelelang le boke Honourable Lesaso yo e neng e le Treasurer ya BNF and UDC for a very long time.

Le ne le mmokela dithutego tsa gagwe, tswelelang le boke dithutego tsa ga Honourable Lesaso.

A e se ka jaanong a fetoga gore ga a nonofa fa a le kwa BDP, tlogelang go dira dilo tse bakaulengwe, ga se dilo tse di siameng.

MR MANGWEGAPE-HEALY: Clarification.

Ke ne ke batla go boela fa morago fa go ya sitting allowance le corruption.
Ke a go utlwa ka gongwe go emisiwa ga yone, se se ntshwenyang go gaisa ke kgang e e tshwanang le ya ga Honourable Boko, yo o tsayang sitting allowance mme a sa tsenelele Palamente, a tla five minutes fela a bo o tswa a tsamaya.

Ke batla go utlwa maikutlo a gago ka yone.

Thank you Honourable Member.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Mme kana le a tshwana wena le ene.

MR RAKGARE: Yoo ene le go amogela o ka bo a sa amogele, ka gore go clear gore ga a emela dikeletso tsa batlhophi ba gagwe.
Sa bofelo Mr Speaker, se ke batlang go digela ka sone.

Maabane Honourable Yandani Boko o letse a re, Mma Serame re batla Tona wa Madi yo o tlaa kgonang go leba President Masisi mo matlhong a bo a re, “Your Excellency, ga ke dumalane le wena ka se, le se, e bile ke ithola marapo.” Le kae maUDC ba le ithotseng marapo ba le sa dumalaneng le moeteledipele wa lona Rre Duma Boko, ka diphoso tsa gagwe tse di kanakana, tse le di buang.
Bo Ramogapi, Hikuama, Kapinga; re a itse gore you are not happy... MR RAMOGAPI: Point of order.

Speaker, he is aware that he is imputing improper motives on me.

Ke itumela mo ke itumelang tota mo UDC le ka boeteledipele jwa ga Rre Duma Boko, ke robala ke ela lethe ke re, “kgoroo.” Jaanong fa a feletswe ke dikgang, a bue fela a re leinane le fedile, a se ka… 5 Hansard No 205Tuesday 15th February, 2022APPROPRIATION (2022/2023) BILL, 2022 (NO.
2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Murmurs)… MR SPEAKER: You have made your point.

Thank you very much for go robala “kgoroo.” HONOURABLE MEMBER: Yandani ene ga a yo mo Palamenteng.

MR RAKGARE: Ke digela ka gore, re a itse ga ba a itumela.

Go itumetse Honourable Tshere le Keorapetse hela, ke bone ba ba itumeletseng boeteledipele jwa ga Boko.

Ga ba dumele ka fa dilo di tsamayang ka teng, jaanong go tshwanetse le bone ba dire jalo.

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.


MR SPEAKER: Thank you Honourable Minister.

Your time is up!

HONOURABLE MEMBER: O feditse leinane la gago?

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Jaanong wa re ke itumeletse eng ne monna?

MR SPEAKER: May we have order please!

The next contributor to the debate is Honourable Member for Kgalagadi South, Honourable Sam Joseph Brooks, rraagwe Kitso.

MR BROOKS (KGALAGADI SOUTH): Thank you Mr Speaker.

Morning colleagues.

Mma ke baakanye leina mongwame, Sam Justice Brooks.
Thank you Mr Speaker go bo o mphile tshono le nna mo mosong ono, ke akgele mo pegong ya madi ya ngwaga o jaaka re sa tswa go e bewa pele ke Mmaetsho Tona wa Madi, Peggy O. Serame.

Ke batla go simolola ke mo leboge gore o mme wa ntlha mo ditsong tsa lefatshe la Botswana, fa e sale le nna teng, go gata setilo seo.

Re dumela jaana gore mogologolo o buile gore mmangwana o tshwara thipa ka fa bogaleng.

Tiro e o mo go yone gompieno, e mashetla.

E batla motho a itshetletse, a tlhaloganya se a se dirang.
O tlaabo o direla lefatshe lotlhe la Botswana.

O leka go aba bonnyennyane jo bo tsenang.

O ela tlhoko le jo bo tswang gore bo tswa ka tsela e e ntseng jang.

Ka tsela e e ntseng jalo, re go eleletsa katlego, masego le matlhogonolo mo tirong e o tlaabong o e dira, Modimo a go thuse, a nne le wena.

Ka dinako tsotlhe mmaetsho, re eletsa o ka tsaya dikgakololo tsa rona ba re a bong re go potapotile.

O tseye dikgakololo tsa rona, ba re a bong re go goagoa.

Re a bo re sa dire jalo ka ape, kana lepe letlhoo.


Re a bo re dira jalo ka kgatelelo ya maikutlo a batho ba re a bong re ba emetse kwa dikgaolong tse di farologanyeng.

Re a bo re dira jalo re itse gore re tswa kgakala re le lefatshe la Botswana, re berekela mo go direng ditogamaano tsa dikgaolo le tse di national.

Jaanong fa mo go nnyennyane mo o go tshwereng go sa tsamaye sentle, re lemoga gore o leba letlhakore le lengwe, ke nngwe ya dilo tse re tlaa simololang re tsosa modumo ka tsone.
Re le bakaulengwe Mapalamente, re tshwanetse go nna re go reetsa thata gore o nne boikarabelo, o itshetlela.

Re tshwanetse re nne re go reetse ka botswapelo mmaetsho.

Re tseye dikgakololo tsa gago.

Re se ka ra tsaya gore fa re buile, re buile.

Ke re ke fete ka a mabedi a a ntseng jalo mo go wena.

Ke bo ke tswelela ke re, o buile sentle fa o supa gore o tswa kgakala ka… HONOURABLE MEMBER: On a point of order Mr Speaker.

It is Honourable Boko Mr Speaker.


MR SPEAKER: Honourable Boko, please go ahead, what is your point of order?

MR BOKO: Thank you Mr Speaker.

Mr Speaker, if you check your records or if you talk to the Information Technology (IT) guys, they will tell you gore I logged ka nako mang.

Mr Speaker, ke bona o letlelela Honourable Healy le Honourable Rakgare ba ntlhasela.

I do not think Mr Speaker, o tsamaisa Palamente ya gago sentle.

Ke raya gore I have long logged in, ke ntse ke le teng.
Mafoko a ba a dirisitseng, I do not think are Parliamentary, but you decided to keep quiet and say nothing about that.

If it was me, I know what you were going to do Mr Speaker.

I am not impressed.

MR KEORAPETSE: And ga o nke o bua ka maDomkrag ba the tenders ba ba sa nneng mo Palamenteng, ba ba itseweng.

MR SPEAKER: A ko o re itshwarele tlhe Rraetsho Keorapetse.

MR KEORAPETSE: Mr Speaker, you are biased, I have always told you that, you are biased.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ba re Moti o batla madi a gagwe.


MR SPEAKER: Iketle pele Assistant Minister!

Iketle pele!

Se iketse batho ba bangwe.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: John Moriri.

MR KEORAPETSE: Wena o ithute go bala.

MR SPEAKER: Honourable Keorapetse please, give us peace, I need to respond to Honourable Dr Boko.

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2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) MS MONNAKGOTLA: Nna ga ke nke ke bua le magodu.

MR SPEAKER: Honourable Monnakgotla!

Hey!


You are a Minister!

Order!

Honourable Boko, o letse o nkomantse maabane ke le gone fa ke romilwe ke morena wa me yo ke mo ratang thata the substantive Speaker.

O letse o nkomantse maabane o re Honourable Lesaso o tshwanetse a iphetolele ka gore o teng.

Ke se ka ka tsenatsena mo dipuong fa a tlhaselwa ke Mopalamente yo mongwe, ke didimale.
Ka leka go tlhalosa gore ke tshwanetse go tlisa kagiso, wa nna wa nkomanya fela, ka nna ka go seketletsa go fitlhelela re welana.

Jaanong ke ne ke itse gore o teng, e tlaare mokaulengwe wa gago a go tlhasela, o mo itlhaselele.

Jaanong o ile wa didimala fela, “Makgoa ba re tidimalo e supa kamogelo.” Ga go na se re ka tlholang re se dira, se ileng se ile, Honourable Member.

MR BROOKS: Thank you Mr Speaker.


HIS HONOUR THE VICE PRESIDENT (MR TSOGWANE): Ga o a wela, gatwe se ileng se ile, moselatedi ke lesilo.

MR SPEAKER: Thank you Your Honour.

MR BOKO: Okay, go siame Mr Speaker.

Ke tlaa tla ke ikarabela ka nako ya me.

MR BROOKS: Mmaetsho, ke tsaya gore re tshwanetse re itse gore re le party ya ga Domkrag, e e busang lefatshe gompieno, re ne ra tla ka maitlamo a re neng ra a baya Batswana pele.
Re fa ka bontsi jo re nang le jone mo Palamenteng e, ka go aga Puso re remeletse thata mo maitlamong a. Mr Speaker, fa o ka ntetlelela go nopola temana e le nngwefela mo maitlamong a BDP, a ke dumelang gore Mmaetsho Serame o dirile this Budget Speech a remeletse thata mo go yone… MR SPEAKER: Nopola Motlotlegi Mopalamente wa Kgalagadi Borwa.

MR BROOKS: Page 14 ya re, “policy review; a BDP led Government aims to partner with the private sector to grow the country’s economy.
In this regard, we will undertake major policies structural reforms to make Botswana attractive and improve service delivery in order to stimulate domestic and international investment.

The BDP led Government will identify policies, legislations and institutions requiring reforms to make the environment conducive for economic and transformation and cause the unnecessary reform.” Fa ke lebile ka fa pego ya gago e buang ka reng mmaetsho, ke bona e remeletse thata mo maitlamong a a ntseng jalo.
Re tshwanetse go itse gore party nngwe le nngwe fa e ipapaletsa ditlhopho, e na le maitlamo.

Ga go reye gore fa re setse re le fa, se se diragalang ke gore go a bo go kopisitswe mo maitlamong a ba bangwe, jaaka Honourable Rakgare a sa tswa go bua.

Sengwe le sengwe se re buang ka sone, ke dikeletso tsa batho tse re tshwanetseng re di tseye tsia.

Ke fete ka eo Mr Speaker.

Mr Speaker, mmaetsho o buile ka restructuring ya Air Botswana le Botswana Meat Commission (BMC).
Ke nngwe ya dilo tse e leng gore re le lefatshe, re tswa kgakala re bua ka ga tsone, segolobogolo Palamente e. Ke itemogetse gore e le ruri Air Botswana go lebega e intshitse kgolola mo itsholelong ya lefatshe la Botswana.

Gongwe if it can be restructured, e ka thusa go tsosolosa serodumo sa yone.
Re ne re bua jaana re lebile gore Air Botswana if it can be restructured, e tlaa ikgakologelwa, e tlaa leba dikgaolo di tshwana le Tsabong le Bokspits, tse e tlaa bonang gore a e ka se ke e dire kgwebo kwa go tsone, e nne le ditsela tse di ka yang teng go dira dikgwebo.

Fa o lebile leokwane la gompieno Mr Speaker, go tswa fa go ya Tsabong le go boa, go tshwana le fa o ne o palame o ntse mo go sone fela, o duelela go ya le go boa.
That is the same cost Mr Speaker, and the time fa o di balela sentle rraetsho.

Batswana ba tswa kgakala ba dumela gore BMC ke yone mmangmang.

Seemo sa BMC gompieno ka fa se ntseng ka teng, fa re ka se ke re tsenye leitlho le le tseneletseng re e tsose fa e leng teng, ga rona ke nageng.

Ke tshwenngwa ke gore dikompone tse pedi tse, ngwaga le ngwaga mo Kabong ya Madi, ngwaga le ngwaga mo dipuong tsa bagolo, e ya bo e ntse e le mo teng, mme ga go diragale.
Minister, ema ka dinao o bone gore letsatsi le go tswa fa go ya pele, wena e ya re gore re tsena mo ngwageng o o tlang o simolola o re baya pego o re bolelele gore diphetogo tse di tseneng mo ngwageng o o neng wa bua ka one mo lebakeng le o neng wa baya pego ka lone o lemoga go fetogile go le kae mo diemong tseo Mr Speaker.

Mr Speaker, ke batla go bua gape ka motlakase, go dira grid ya motlakase wa letsatsi or Small Scale Grid Type Solar Photovoltaic (PV) Project e e tlaabong e le kwa Tsabong.
Re batla gore re leboge thata fa seemo seo se ka nna teng.

Mr Speaker, kopo ke gore a go nne jalo ka bofefo.

Mr Speaker, lekatane la makopo ga le na kgodu.

Kgaolo ya Kgalagadi e kopa motlakase kwa Aferika Borwa.

Go tswa fela mo Makopong re kopa motlakase kwa Aferika Borwa.

Motlakase o Mr Speaker, fa o kgaoga re nna le mathata.

Maabane 7 Hansard No 205Tuesday 15th February, 2022APPROPRIATION (2022/2023) BILL, 2022 (NO.
2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) fela jaana ka December/January, dibeke tse pedi go sena motlakase kwa Struizendam/Bokspits because motlakase o ne o tswa Namibia.

Re letse maabane re bona kwa Tsabong re na le tlhoko motlakase ya lebaka le le kalo ka gore motlakase o tswa South Africa.

Mr Speaker, re tshwanetse ra nna lefatshe le le itirelang, re se ka ra ikgalaletsa ka go bo go na le se re se tsayang kwa mafatsheng a re bapileng le lone.

Rona re tlaa ithuta leng gore re dire re ba rekisetse?
A re eme ka dinao re bue ka dilo tse rraetsho go santse go le gale.

Ke batla gore ke tsene kwa Lephateng la Metsi Mr Speaker.

Manokonoko a a ntseng a le kwa Makopong le mororo a santse a le teng mme re leboge Tona gore e ne ya re ka ngwaga wa 2020 a ntsha boro kana motšhine o o epang metsi.

Motšhine o o epang metsi o ya go dika o le kwa Makopong go thuba lefatshe, o epa o ntshetsa batho ba Makopong metsi.
Sebe sa phiri ke gore le mororo re bone metsi a a kanakana, jaanong re se itaya se fololetse ka gore metsi ao go lebega e le a a kgotlhelesegileng.

Ke batla go kopa Minister gore a reetse selelo sa batho ba Makopong.

Ke tswa kgakala ke mo kopa gore “rraetsho, o sale o beile motšhine kwa, ga o ise o tsamae o tle go gata o bone gore progress ke eng, go tsamaya jang.” Golo mo Mr Speaker, go ntsenya mo tsietsing, go mpaya ka fa mosing.

Potso ke gore a Minister wa Metsi a o a re rata?


Ke eng fela a sa tle to appreciate tiro ya bana ba gagwe?

Having said that Mr Speaker, the point that I want to raise here ke gore metsi ao lebega e le a a kgotlhelesegileng.

Ka go rialo, go raya gore maiteko a gagwe le a me a gore re epe didiba kwa Makopong jaanong a boa gape a se itaya se fololetse.

Ba na le keletso ya gore jaanong re tswelele ka go gokela metsi go tswa Werda go ya Makopong.
Ke itse gore ba Water Utilities have already submitted a proposal or Tender Notice (TN) kwa lephateng.

A madi ao a tswe ka bofefo gore batho ba Makopong ba gokelelwe metsi rraetsho.

Batho ba Makopong ba tswa kgakala ba lela ka metsi.

Batho ba Makopong fa e le sengwe, gongwe dikeledi di fedile, re tloga re bona ba lela madi e le ka lebaka la letlhoko la metsi.
Ke batla gore ke tswelele ka go mo leboga gore le mororo go ntse jalo, ba Water Utilities ba sa tswa go epa sediba kwa Kokotsha which has not yet been commissioned se se ntshitseng metsi a a fetang 50 cubic metres ka oura Mr Speaker le se sengwe se se ntshitseng more than 10 cubic metres.

Ke batla gore ke leboge batho botlhe ba ba neng ba tsere karolo mo go epeng didiba tseo.
Kgang fela ke gore ke tlaa leboga jaanong fa re setse re goketse (connected) metsi ao ka e bile a brackish kana a letswainyana, re bone plants tse di tlaa thusang go tlhatswetsa batho ba Kokotsha metsi ao, ba nwe metsi le bone ba tswe mo maibing a go tlhoka metsi nako e e kana kana.
Mr Speaker, fa re ntse re tsweletse ke gore ke leboge jaaka mmaetsho a ne a sa tswa go bua gore the CCP Fund e a boela mme jaanong I want to challenge the Ministry of Local Government gore ba tswa kgakala, dingwaga tse pedi tse di fetileng, gone mo Ntlong e gore ba neetswe madi and subject to be corrected, it is about P300 million or so fa ke sa fose, a e leng gore ke madi a e leng gore fa kgaolo nngwe le nngwe e feditse go dirisa madi a yone a dingwaga tse pedi tse di fetileng tsa madi tseo, ba tlaa kgona go bona madi.
Ka tsela e e ntseng jalo, fa Mme Mma Serame letsatsi le a reng ke a go le neela ma P10 million a rona, go raya gore re santse re na le tšhentšhi e e ntseng e kaletse (hanging) kwa Ministry of Local Government ya dingwaga tse pedi ka gore go ne go dumelwa gore golo gongwe ga re a ka ra dirisa madi a dingwaga tse fetileng sentle.

Mr Speaker, a madi ao a tle re ye go dira ditiro.


Ke lebogela thata Mme Mma Serame fa a re this P10 million kana the CCP Fund, o eletsa gore strictly re a neele boradikonteraka ba ba local.

Local in the sense ya gore re bua ka bana ba kgaolo ya Kgalagadi.
Ke batla gore ke ba gwetlhe le bone fela gore go raya gore jaanong you should recheck your database re bone gore botlhe ba e leng gore ba tlaabo ba solegelwa molemo (benefit) gone foo ke bana ba ba tsetsweng mo Kgalagadi ba e leng Bakgalagadi who will apply for that fund gore ba a bone.
Re lapisitswe ke go bona batho re tswa mo Gaborone, kwa bokone jwa lefatshe le, re tsamaya to tender for projects kwa kgaolong ya Kgalagadi, bana ba Kgalagadi bone e le bone ba gotweng lone le babogedi, baji bone ba teng, ke ba ba tlang ka sekontere go tla go ja madi a projects tsa lona mme re fufula re le fa go leka go kopela dikgaolo tsa rona madi rraetsho.

Ke ne ke re dilo tse ke itebaganye le tsone.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification.


MR BROOKS: Ke batla go tswelela ke… HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification.

MR BROOKS: Ke mang yo o batlang clarification?

MR SPEAKER: Clarification sought.

MR BROOKS: Ke mang sir?

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ke Motsamai.

8 Hansard No 205Tuesday 15th February, 2022APPROPRIATION (2022/2023) BILL, 2022 (NO.

2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) MR BROOKS: Honourable Motsamai.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Lelatisitswe, wa re Motsamai?

MR BROOKS: Sorry!
MR BROOKS: Sorry!

MR SPEAKER: Let us have order please.

Who are you being generous to?

MR BROOKS: Mongwe le mongwe wa bone o mo fe two minutes sir.

MR SPEAKER: Just start first Honourable Motsamai.

re MR MOTSAMAI: Tanki Mr Speaker.

Ke mokaulengwe o e tshwere sentle, o bua puo e e tlhamaletseng.
Gongwe ga se gore o tsenelele o tlhalose gore kana mme le rona fela, ke rona ba fa gongwe re rotloetsang diemo tse ka gore fa gongwe re nna re tsamaya re ya kgakala re ya go tlatsa batho ka diteraka le dibese re ya go ba kwadisetsa kwa dikgaolong tsa rona re dira mo gotweng voter trafficking?

Jaanong ba simolola ba tlwaela mana a a kwa dikgaolong tsa rona gore ke a bone ka gore le ditlhopho ba tlhophetse koo.
Kgang e o ka feta jang ka yone gore re e emise motho wa batho, re se ka ra itlwaetsa batho go le kanakana e bo e tloga jaanong fa re nna le tenders jaana e bo e kare ra re ba boele kwa ga bone?

O ka feta jang ka yone?

Tanki.

MR BROOKS: Honourable Lelatisitswe.

MR SPEAKER: Go bitsa Speaker, ga go bitse wena rraetsho.

MR BROOKS: Thank you sir.

MR SPEAKER: Honourable Assistant Minister of Health and Wellness.

ASSISTANT MINISTER OF HEALTH AND WELLNESS (MR LELATISITSWE): Thank you so much Mr Speaker.
Ke tsaya gore ga go farologane thata le kgang e e builweng ke Rre Motsamai.

Ke ne ke re gongwe fa motho a tshwere Omang a fitlhelwa koo a nna mo Kgalagadi kana kwa Boteti, ke tsaya gore ke Motswana yo o nnang koo mme o na le tshwanelo to tender gone koo.

Ga e farologane le ya ga Motsamai le fa ene a e bua sepolotiki.

MR SPEAKER: Honourable Brooks.

…Silence… MR SPEAKER: Honourable Brooks, please unmute yourself.

MR BROOKS: Ke ne ke re karabo ya teng sir ke ele ke e file Motsamai.
Ke ne ke re gape ke tlhamalale fela ke re ga re ka ke ra itebaganya le gore bana ba kgaolo should only benefit from CCP.

Mr Speaker, kana ditlhwatlhwa di tlhatlogile thata mme re tshwanetse gore re bone gore re atolosa le mo projects tse dingwe.

Sekai Mr Speaker, fa go na le gore go dirwe tsela or bush clearing along the road, kana re fa batho 10 kilometres each.

A mme ra re kompone e tswe golo gongwe fela kgakalakgakala e bo e tla go dira that 10 kilometres?
Kana re bua madi a teng e le bo P40,000 to P50,000 per that 10 kilometres.

Mr Speaker, a re atolose kgang ya gore re dirise the local contractors le mo the other ministries or departments.

Re se ka ra ba tswelela kwa ntle gore go tle go kgone gore tsamae sentle.

Mr Speaker, re fetisitse policies di le mmalwanyana fa mme nngwe ya tsone ke ya banalebogole.

Potso ke gore policy e re sa le re e fetisite e kae?
Banalebogole ba santse ba tshelela mo kutlobotlhokong; ba santse ba na le mathata ka gore policy e sale re e fetisitse mo Palamenteng mme ga e ise e goroge kwa go bone.

I remember calling the Minister ka December, Rre Morwaeng o tlaa ntshupela, I called him ke batla go itse gore kante policy e re e feditseng kwa Palamenteng la re e tlaa goroga leng to be implemented, he said ba santse ba batla to distribute it amongst the ministries, other departments.
Mr Speaker, fa re fetisa selo a se ye go diragala gone foo, ka gore batho ba a bo ba re reeditse go le live on radio, television, ba utlwa gore se se tlang jaanong ke sone.

Mme three months down the line ga go ise go diragale thulaganyo e e ntseng jalo, what are we saying, why are we sitting here Mr Speaker?

Ke gore jaanong re dire dilo tse e leng gore fa di tswa fa di ya go simolola being stock pilled fela go sena se se diragalang.
Backlog eradication; ke a go leboga Minister, dikole di tlaa tlhabologa, di tlaa agiwa, thuto e tlaa...Kana backlog eradication e tswa kgakala e diriwa ke dikhansele.

Go tswa kgakala Dikhansele di neelwa madi di dira under Ministry wa Local Government.

Jaanong fa o setse o e tsentse jalo mmaetsho, go tlaa thusa gore le barutabana fa ba dira tiro ba dire mo environment e e utlwisisang, e amogelesega mmaetsho.

Ke yone kgang e re tshwanetseng go e bua re sa boele morago Honourable Speaker.
Ke kopa nako foo kgapetsakgapetsa Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER: Twelve minutes.

MR BROOKS: Re ntse re le kwa Local Government, re tshwanetse gore re itebaganye le gore, Local Government ka ke lona le laolang Dikgotla tsa Setswana ga re eletse 9 Hansard No 205Tuesday 15th February, 2022APPROPRIATION (2022/2023) BILL, 2022 (NO.
2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) gore go ka nna ngwaga go ya kwa dingwageng tse pedi go ntse gotwe ga go na Kgosi, “naga e senang khudutlou bolebekwa ba ipha naga.” Le tshwanetse to monitor le bone gore maina fa go setse go tlhophilwe a ntshiwa ka bofefo jo bo tlhokagalang, ka gore ke se le ntseng le se letile, ke se le ntseng le se ipaakanyeditse gore se tle se diragale… HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… MR BROOKS: “Bo lebeto ba ipha naga.” Mme thank you Honourable Minister.
Coming to Agriculture, tlaa re leboge Mr Minister gore kwa Lobu re a go dira sengwe se se utlwalang se e leng gore kwa kgaolong ya Kgalagadi boremelelo jwa thuo ya dihutshane bo gone koo.

Ke leboga thata gore Tautona o na le kgatlhego e ntsi ya kwa Lobu, e e leng gore fa rotlhe re ka e emela ka dinao, ministry le rona re le farmers around that area, go ka nna le mosola mo kgaolong ya Kgalagadi.

Fa rotlhe re ka ema ka dinao re le ministry go bona gore dilo tse re di emela ka dinao go ka nna botoka.
Mme ke sebete se molangwana, re dikile re nnile le dipula tse di namagadi, mathata ke didirisiwa, go ne go sena tractors, go sena dilo tse di lemang.

Re ntse re na le mathata a go ka nna le ditiro tse di ntseng jalo kwa kgaolong ya Kgalagadi.

Re tshwanetse go simolola gone jaanong jaana re baakanyetsa temo e e tlang go bona gore we allocate jang tractor-nyana tse di teng mo Pusong, gore le tsone di kgone go fitlhelela kwa bathong ba ba nang le keletso ya go lema kwa kgaolong ya Kgalagadi.
Ke batla go bua ka Office of the President (OP) fa re bua ka bomolaodi.

Ke tswa kgakala ke lela gore a re ntsheng diofisi tsa ga molaodi kwa OP di ye kwa Local Government, re tle re kgone go di laola sentle.

Re bua jaana ga ke na le fa e le balaodi kwa kgaolong ya me, at sub-district level and district level.

Ke gore ke na le ba e leng gore, go nna jaaka e kete ke ba bua maswe, ke ba ba tshwareletseng, that patch.

Molaodi yo o tshwareletseng kgantele o kwa district, kgantele kwa sub-district.
Ke a ne ke tsamaya mo kgaolong re buisa diphuthego go sena le fa e le Ofisi ya ga Molaodi ka gore ga gona bodiredi kwa diofising tse pedi tseo.

Re dira jang fa go tshwanetseng gore go tseye…the procurement officer kwa ofising ya ga molaodi, o tshwanetse gore a tswe Hukuntsi a ye go thusa kwa, a nne kwa dibeke tse pedi kana jalo Mr Speaker, kgantele madi a a mo duelang a a fela.

Dilo tse ke mathata.

Ke tshwanetse ke tlolele gape fa go agriculture, ke batlile go e lebala, ke leboge thata ba Lucara.
Ba Lucara ba sa tswa go re thusa ka project ya metsi, community ya Bogogobo go ba epela metsi, installation ya sediba.

Go goga metsi for about three hundred metres or so go tswa fa sedibeng.

Ga ke na figure e e tlhamaletseng, ga ke ka ke ka tswa ka figure mo Palamenteng e ke ka tla ka ba direla phoso, ke tlaa tla ka yone in the next sitting ya Palamente.
Project ya Kolonkwaneng; agricultural project, horticultural project e ba e dirang koo ba Lucara, ba tsentse community ya rona moko thata go ba thusa ka this project, e e leng gore ba Kolonkwaneng fa ba ka ema ka dinao e tlaa kgona go fetola leitlho le tebego ya Kolonkwaneng.

The small stock integrated project e ba Lucara ba e tshwaraganetseng le small stock association ya kwa Tsabong le yone e ka thusa thuta rraetsho fa e ka diragala.
Eo le yone ke santse ke batla go rotloetsa Modulasetilo wa association ya kwa Tsabong gore ema ka dinao jaaka o tlogetswe, o tlogetswe ka assignment rraetsho, e dire gore go ye teng.

Ke batla go leboga thata polase ya Bray e e ntseng e le kwa Banyana e ba saleng ba e neilwe dingwaga tse di lesome tse di fetileng.
Maabane jaana re letse re bona ba Ministry of Agricultural Development and Food Security, ke ba leboge gore ba ntsha P5.7 million gore a ye go simolola a dire ditlhabololo kwa polaseng eo ya Banyana.

Re bua jaana go epiwa sediba, go dirwa bush clearing.

Re eletsa gore go ka tsamaya ka bofefo ka fa go ka nnang ka teng, gore batho ba Bray ba tle ba kgone go bona lefatshenyana fa ba ka bayang ditsabone teng.
Ke kope gape ke ntse ke le gone foo gore a dipolase tse di setseng kana sekidi sa lefatshe, tse di setseng kwa Banyana, ba kgone to facilitate ka bonako di kgone go abelwa Batswana, Batswana ba ye go lema, Batswana ba ntshe dijo.

Batswana ba bone gore ba ka dirisa jang lefatshe leo.

Le gone ke kope gape, ke kopele kgaolo ya me gore, mo go sone sekidinyana seo a nngwe ya dikidi that they will be allocating di boe gape di neelwe bana ba Kgalagadi.
Mr Speaker, ke fa ke le Mopalamente wa lefatshe la Botswana, mme ke tswa kwa kgaolong ya Kgalagadi e ke e samileng, ke lela yone, ke bua yone.

Mr Speaker, fa re tsena ka Education ke dumela gore maduo a ile tlase thata.

Ke batla go leboga gore Minister fa a bua o buile gore go a go hirwa barutabana ba le 10 Hansard No 205Tuesday 15th February, 2022APPROPRIATION (2022/2023) BILL, 2022 (NO.

2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) kae.


Re ntse re le sebete se molangwana ka fa dikhiro tsa temporary teachers di tsamayang ka teng.

You apply for temporary (temp), fa o sena to apply gatwe, nnyaa re tsaya ba ba nang le dingwaga tse pedi ba feditse sekole kana ba sa tswa go fetsa sekole.
Go nthaya gore ba ba nang le dingwaga tse di lesome ba feditse sekole ba tsamaya mo mebileng mo ba batla ditiro ba sa di bone they do not qualify go ka hirwa, ka lebaka la space se ba feditseng sekole ka sone, le space se ba bilediwang interview ka sone.

What are we saying, a re direla bana ba ba ntseng jalo sentle?

Mr Speaker, ke na le sekole se se tswang kgakala, dingwagangwaga, Mopalamente yo o neng a le teng fa pele ga me jaana Rre France o ne a bua ka sone, re bua ka sone, sa Tapologo.
Ga go na ope yo o batlang go re reetsa mo go bo Tona, re khubama bosigo le motshegare, re khubama re bua ka administration e e kwa Tapologo.

Ga go na ope yo o batlang go re tsaya tsia, tota re ye go lela kwa go mang ka sekole se?

Sekole se!

sekole se!

sekole se!

ke mathata Mr Speaker, ga re ka ke ra ineelela gore bana ba rona e nne batho ba ba yang sekoleng to go and fail, ga re dire sentle.

Ga re dire dilo tse sentle.

A re tlhamalaleng re bue dikgang tse re sa oshaoshe.
Botlhoko jwa bana ba, Werda Mr Speaker, ba ba tsenang kwa Tapologo...(inaudible)…ke motho yo ke tlhophetsweng go tla go emela batho bao fa Mr Speaker.

Re tshwanetse gore re tseye dilo tse ka tlhoafalo.

Batho ba tlhaloganye gore re bua ka ga eng.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification Mr Speaker.

MR BROOKS: Nnyaa Mr Speaker, ga ke na nako, sorry pele.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: ...(Inaudible)... MR BROOKS: Ke tlaa go neela monkane, just give me the last minute, ke tlaabo ke go neela.

E tshware jalo.
E tshware jalo.

Ke selo se re se kuelang gore, ga re ka ke ra tswelela ka tsela e e ntseng jalo.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: O lelela eng?

MR BROOKS: Ke lelela eng, ke lelela sekole sa me, ke tlhophilwe ke batho ba eme mo letsatsing, gore ke lelela eng, ke... HONOURABLE MEMBER: Tlogela Domkrag.

MR SPEAKER: Order!

Order!

Honourable Hikuama.

MR BROOKS: Jy moet stil wees Wanner Ek beaangs is en van my mense praat.

MR SPEAKER: A…(inaudible)…e e marapo.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: O lelela eng?


MR BROOKS: Mr Speaker, re sale re buile ka pulo ya borders.

Ke tlhola ke botsa gore a kgaolo ya Kgalagadi ke yone fela e e motlhofo go anamisa mogare wa Corona?

A batho ba Kgalagadi ke bone fela ba e leng gore fa go buiwa ka Corona go lebiwa bone?

A Corona e e anameng mo lefatsheng la Botswana was caused by batho ba Kgalagadi?

Punishment e e kanakana ya go bulela batho ba Kgalagadi border fela ya border ya McCarthy, e nngwe ya Makopong Mr Speaker, re ba tlhoetse eng?
A gompieno re bolelelwe Mr Speaker, dilo tse di utlwisa botlhoko.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ba tlhoilwe ke Domkrag.

MR BROOKS: Mme ga o ka ke wa mpona ke sutile mo go Domkrag, le fa nka idibala.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification.

MR BROOKS: Mr Speaker, dilo tse…Ke batla gore … (Interruptions)… MR SPEAKER: Order Honourable Hikuama!

Please order!

MR BROOKS: …ke buile ka tsela ya Bray-Mmathethe- Werda gore a go tswennge sekontere.

Mr Speaker, this is a very big development.


Ke na le letshwenyego ka project e e saleng e setse ya tsela ya Werda.

Werda-Kokotsha Mr Speaker from 2018 to date, motho o letse a epa mesele go bapa le the existing tarred road e e kwa Werda ya 60 centimetres (cm) along the road…(Interruptions)… o a e baakanya, gompieno dikoloi tsa batho di wela mo... HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification Brooks asabelif tog.

MR SPEAKER: Order please!

MR BROOKS: Mr Speaker, dilo tse re tshwanetse gore re di ele tlhoko thata.
Projects tse di salelang kwa morago; re na le project e e saleng e nna kwa Logaganeng, project ya Anti-Poaching Unit, e e nang le dingwaga di le tharo e emisitswe and is now a death trap ya dikgomo le dipodi tsa batho mo drains tse di epilweng Mr Speaker.

Ga re direle batho justice.

Re tsaya madi ao re a tshela mo lehuting.

Re na le matlo a bodiredi jwa rona a re neng re re ke a baoki Mr Speaker, a le 57.
Matlo a le 57 a santse a eme kwa Kgaolong ya 11 Hansard No 205Tuesday 15th February, 2022APPROPRIATION (2022/2023) BILL, 2022 (NO.

2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) Kgalagadi Mr Speaker, go epilwe trenches, e nna selelo sa khurunyo ya meno.

Bana ba batho ba tlaa wela mo teng ga mahuti a a epilweng ke rona le boradikonteraka ba re tswang kwa Mr Speaker, re re re tlile go batla tiro mo Kgaolong ya Kgalagadi, re bo re tlogela mahuti a a maswe a a ntseng jalo.
Mr Speaker, ke ne ke re ka go rialo, tla ke fe Honourable Moswaane clarification e a neng a e batla.

MR MOSWAANE: Clarification.

Thank you honourable, ntle ke e tseye ka bokhutswane.

Ke ne ke re ka 11th Parliament, the then Honourable Minister Molale, o ne a le Tona ya Office of the President, a supa gore jaanong go dirilwe posts tsa barutabana di le 10 000, ba ya go hirwa.

Up to now, go supagala gore batho bao ga ba a hirwa ka gore Goromente a re ga a na capacity ya go hira.
A mme o a dumela gore selelo se sa rona se tlaa arabega?

Thank you.

MR BROOKS: Thank you sir.

Mongwame se tlaa arabega, re ya kwa pele.

Mr Speaker, kgang e ke neng ke re ke tlile ka yone ke gore re letse re tswala borders maabane re re merogo e se ka ya tswa ka kwa ntle ga lefatshe.

Mr Speaker, re tshwanetse gore e re re dira jalo, re bo re etse selo se le sengwefela tlhoko gore mafatshe a re bapileng le one a South Africa le Namibia, ke one a Botswana a romelang these live export weaners kwa go one.
Botswana o romela nama ya BMC kwa South Africa.

A fa re tswalela merogo, batho ba South Africa le Namibia ba na le dikgomo, a kamoso fa ba ka re tswalela ba re ga re letlelele dikgomo le nama ya lona go tsena mo go rona, a re tlaabo re itirela sentle?

A gompieno jaaka go sena bo ditamati, ditapole, go sena bo eng, bo eng mo di mmaketeng, potso ke gore a lefatshe la Botswana a le ready to supply le go feed lefatshe la Botswana ka merogo Mr Speaker?
Mr Speaker, kgang a re e etse tlhoko pele ga re tswala borders, re bone gore do we have capacity ya gore re rekisetse Batswana?

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER: Your time is up.

Thank you Honourable Sam Brooks.

Ka Serolong fa batho ba dira jalo ra re ba go eme sleg.

Jaanong go tlaa bua Mopalamente wa Serowe Bokone, Motlotlegi Rraetsho Baratiwa wa Mathoothe.

Rragwe Melissa!

MR MATHOOTHE (SEROWE NORTH): Thank you Mr Speaker and good morning.
Ke ne ke re ke simolole mafoko a me jaana mo Budget Speech e re sa tswang go e bewa kwa pele.

Ke supe jaana gore re lebogele Mme Peggy Serame go bo a tlhomilwe e le motho wa mme.

Re lebogela seo.

Ga gona tse dintsi tse re ka di buang ka gore ke gone a simololang tiro.

Motswana o a tle a bue jalo gore montsamaisa bosigo ke mo leboga bo sele.

E tlaa re a sena go nna a dira tiro ka fa a re solofetsang ka teng, ke gone gongwe re tle re nne le mafoko a ditebogo.
Mo nakong ya gompieno ga re ka ke ra nna le mafoko a ditebogo, ke go tla go lebelela gore tiro e a e beilweng fa pele o e direla Batswana ka manontlhotlho le ka bonokopila jo bo rileng.

Ke gone e tlaa reng morago, re tle re mo leboge.


Mr Speaker, mme ke supe jaana gore ka fa a tlhalositseng mafoko a gagwe ka teng, le gore Budget ya lefatshe la Botswana e ya go tsamaya ka tsela e e ntseng jang, konokono ya mafoko go na le fa a buang teng gore more money a tlaabo a filwe gore go feleletswe projects tse di leng teng le go itebaganya le maintenance ya projects tse di sa bolong go dirwa.
Ke batla gore ke dumalane le ene ka gore gantsinyana e kete re na le go aga dikago kana go dira projects mme re bo re itebatsa ka maintenance wa tsone.

Bogolo jang fa ke lebile kwa kgaolong e ke tswang mo go yone ya Serowe Bokone, o fitlhela e le gore kwa Serowe re na le sepatela sa Sekgoma Memorial Hospital.

Fa o feta o le kwa ntle o tlaa bona bontle jwa sone mme fa o tsena mo teng, o tlaa bona gore ke makgasa.
Go mosola thata gore jaaka a tlhalosa jaana, mangwe a madi a tle a ye teng go baakanya Sepatela sa Sekgoma, se tsene mo seemong se e leng gore Batswana e kare ba tsena koo fa o tla o lwala, fa gongwe o fole fela ka gore o bona o tsene mo dikagong tse di phepa e bile ga gona gope fa e leng gore di makgasa teng.

Ke gone ka fa e leng gore gongwe ke dumalana le ene ka fa a tlhalositseng ka teng kana ka fa a beileng Budget ka teng.
Ga se gone foo fela, fa o lebelela dikole tsa rona mo kgaolong, sekole se tshwana le sa Swaneng Hill School, o fitlhela e le gore ditsela mo teng go ntse dikhuti, go makgasa, le bone barutabana fa ba setse ba tsamaela kwa matlong a bone, o fitlhela e le gore go bokete.

Kana le bone ba na le go ithekela dikoloi tsa manobonobo mme o fitlhela e le gore fa gongwe ba felela ba di pheka kwa ntle ba tshaba gore ga di ka ke tsa feta.
Dilo tse di tshwanetse di lebelelwe gore dikole tse di tshwanang le tsone tsa bo Swaneng Hill School, di tshwanetse to be maintained, di bewe mo seemong se e leng gore mongwe le mongwe o ka nna le kgatlhego ya gore o ka direla mo go tsone.

Ga se tsone fela, o fitlhela dikole di tshwana le tsa Patikwane, bo Mabeleapodi, tse e leng gore bonno jwa bana kwa ba robalang teng ga go jese monate.

E bile ke 12 Hansard No 205Tuesday 15th February, 2022APPROPRIATION (2022/2023) BILL, 2022 (NO.
2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) tsaya gore ke gone mo go dirang gore gongwe bana ba bo ba felela ba sa ithute thata ka gore bonno jwa bone bo a bo bo sa siama.

Fa ba tswa kwa dikoleng tsa primary schools tse di tshwanang le tsa bo Majwanaadipitse le Tshimoyapula ba tla ba pasitse, o fitlhela e le gore maduo a bone fa ba tsena kwa Patikwane Community Junior Secondary School, ba felela e le gore maduo a ya kwa tlase.

E le mathata a gore kwa borokong jwa bone, ga bo a nna sentle, ga bo a siama.
E bile gongwe ke ka kopa Tona gore a iphe sebaka sa gore yo o lebaneng a etele ka koo ka gore ke mathata a ke a bonang a le matona thata go fetisa mo dikoleng tse dingwe.

Ke gone mo ke dumelang thata gore fa e le gore madi a mantsi a tlaa ya kwa maintenance, re tsaya gore dikole di tshwana le tsa bo Patikwane, Semane, Kgalemang le primary schools tsa rona kwa bo Paje, Mabeleapodi, Gojwane, ga re di tsewe di bewe mo seemong se se leng botoka.
Sengwe gape se e leng gore gongwe ke ka tswa ke se itemogetse, o fitlhela e le gore go na le gore bomaitseanape, they over design these projects.

Jaanong fa go tsena mo maintenance, o bo o fitlhela e le gore jaanong Goromente o a turelwa.

Ke dingwe tse di tshwanetseng tsa lebiwa ka tsela e e ntseng jalo.

Go ne ga nna le toilets tse di neng tsa agiwa kwa sekoleng sa Mabeleapodi le Paje.

Ke toilets tse e leng gore fa o di lebelela di dirilwe ka motlhale o mongwe o o pharologanyo.
Di sale di fediwa tsa bo di sa bereke, e le ntateng ya gore this project kana toilets tse, design ya teng was too complicated.

Ke gone mo go tseelang Goromente madi gore fa go tla mo maintenance, o bo o fitlhela e le gore jaanong madi a ya kwa godimo.

Jaanong go botoka thata gore mo projects tse di tlang, a re direng simple plans tse e leng gore we can achieve se re se batlang.
Fa re batla toilet, ke eng re tshwanetse go e dira ka tsela e nngwe e e leng gore go nna bokete thata gore batho le bone ba ka e dirisa.

Ke dingwe tse ke di bonang, fa a bua ka maintenance, a solofele thata gore madi a ya go nna mantsi ka gore fa re dira our projects, we overdesign, go bo go nna bokete thata.

Ke dingwe tsa dikole tse e leng gore fa ke bua jaana, toilets tsa teng di tsenya barutabana le bana ba sekole dingalo, di nna di baakanyeditswe ruri fela.
Fa o ka lebelela gape le clinics tsa rona; ya Paje e tlhoka gore e baakanngwe, e tsenngwe mo seemong se e leng gore batho le bone ba ka bona gore nnyaa mme golo fa re diretswe.

O fitlhela e le gore mo kgaolong jaaka e ntse jalo, go tswa fela mo Serowe go ya go tsena kwa Gojwane, bo Majwanaadipitse, go tlhokafala gore clinics tse di baakanngwe.

Fa e le ya Tshimoyapula yone, e mo mathateng ka gore e bapile le molapo fela o motona, letsatsi le letsatsi pula fa e na, molapo ole o ya go felela o tsere clinic.
Go ne ga tswa bomaitsaanape kana bana ba lona ba ba ithutang kwa sekoleng sa Botswana International University of Science and Technology (BIUST) kwa Palapye, ba dira report ya gore molapo oo o ka katelwa ka tsela e e ntseng jang.

Ke report e e teng, ba ne ba gakolola ba Khansele gore ba o katele gore clinic ele e se ka ya tsewa ke noka.

Kana ke raya molapo fela o motonatona o e leng gore o feta a few metres fela tse pedi kana tse tharo go tswa fa clinic.
Mmu wa Tshimoyapula o supile gore it is collapsible soil, o kgona gore nako le nako o bo o ntse o tsenela kwa teng.

Ke dingwe tse e leng gore tsa re di lebilwe jalo, kana di potlakelwe.

Fa go tla mo maintenance le eng, re di akanyetse gore seemo se re se baakanye se ise se golele kwa pele.

Clinics tsa rona mo kgaolong di tshwanetse tsa bakanngwa Mr Speaker.
Fa ke ntse ke le mo go tsa clinics, motse o tshwana wa Serowe o setse o godile thata, mme fa o ka lebelela clinics tse di saleng di agilwe, di sale di agilwe bogologolo.

Fa o tsaya motse wa Serowe o tsena ntlheng ya Kgotla e bidiwa Dinokwane, o tlaa bona gore jaanong go tlhokafala le clinic ka koo.

Fa o tsaya metse e e tshwanang ya bo Semane II, e mesha go tlhokana, le clinic bogolo jang ka gore referral hospital e e tshwanang ya Sekgoma, re boleletswe gore batho ba tshwanetse gore ba ye pele kwa clinics.
Fa o tsaya motse o tshwana wa Dinokwane ka kwa New Town ka kwa, o fitlhela e le gore ba ne ba beile gore nnyaa, re tlaa ya kwa Sekgona.

Fa kgang e ntse jalo, go raya gore go tlhokana le gore clinics tse disha di nne teng mo Serowe jaaka ke bua ka Semane II, Leina, le kwa Dinokwne.

Re tshwanetse ra nna le clinic eo gore Batswana ba tle ba thusege.

Mr Speaker, fa re bua ka projects tse di tshwanang le tse re di dirang ka CCP, re tshwanetse ra dirisa companies that are within the locality.
Ke dumalana thata le kgang eo, mme e bile ke fe bosupi jwa gore mo kgaolong ya Serowe Bokone, re ne re setse re simolotse jalo ka gore re na le tirisanyo mmogo thata le ba khansele.

Go na le didiba tse di neng di epilwe mo kgaolong kwa masimong, mme re ne ra tsaya tshwetso re le Makhanselara le setšhaba gore ka didiba tse di epilwe, re tshwanetse ra di gokela.
Re ne ra dirisa the savings tsa CCP, ra nna fa fatshe le Mokwaledi wa khansele gore ba ba yang go gokela didima tseo, e tshwanetse gore e nne bana ba motse, dikompone tse di leng teng, 13 Hansard No 205Tuesday 15th February, 2022APPROPRIATION (2022/2023) BILL, 2022 (NO.

2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) ba ba nang le boitsaanape.
Ba ne ba dira jalo, ba ntsha expression of interest gore bana ba kgaolo ba dire jalo e le gone gore jaanong re thuse batho kwa masimong jaaka re tlaabo re ya go tsenya didiba di tshwana tsa bo Taukome, Tepetepe, le Khumanego, mme go ya go dira bana ba ba leng mo kgaolong gore le bone ba tle ba rothegelwe ke sengwenyana, ba se ka ba bona e le gore ba ba kwa ditoropong ke bone ba ba akolang.

Ke dumela gore go tshwanetse ga dirwa jalo.

Ga go a tshwanela go felela fela ka kgang e ya CCP project.
Re batla gape go bona CCP projects mo gongwe re nna le the income generating projects, jaaka Tona a ne a tlhalosa gore kana jaanong letlhoko la ditiro le ile magoletsa, mme dingwe tsa projects tse re di dirang ka CCP, di tshwanetse golo gongwe di nne le seabe sa gore le tsone jaanong can create employment.
Ke se e leng gore mo kgaolong ya Serowe Bokone re tsweletse jalo go lebelela dingwe tse di ka thusang bana ba ba mo kgaolong ba golagane le bo mmaboipelego jaaka re itse gore community development officers ba tshwanetse gore ba nne le seabe sa go bona gore mme batho ba ka itshetsa ka tsela e e ntseng jang.

Jaanong madi a a CCP, e re re ntse re dira ditsela, ga re re etle re akanya ka tse di ka ba tshetsang.

Fa re bua ka projects go di neela Batswana, re se ka ra lebelela bo CCP fela.
Fa o ka tsaya parastatal e e tshwanang Botswana Housing Corporation (BHC), o ipotsa gore fa go agiwa mantlo mo lefatsheng la Botswana, ke eng ba tsaya ditshwetso tsa gore ba neele dikompone tsa seChina gore e nne tsone tse di agang mantlo.

Bontsi jwa projects tse, ka gore ke di bone di agiwa kwa Serowe le Palapye, potso e bo e nna gore a Batswana ba ba nang le dikonteraka, a ba ka palelwa ke go aga a three beds or a two beds.

Ke potso e re e ipotsang.


O bo o bona e le gore dikonteraka tsa maChina ke bone ba ba dirang projects tse.

Ke gone fa e leng gore ke tsaya gore Minister yo mosha Rre Molale, dikgang tse o tlaa di leba ka kwa BHC go bona gore projects tse di ntseng jaana di neelwa Batswana.
Parastatals tse di ntseng jaana le tshwanetse le di tlhodumele thata gore go tla jang gore dikompone tsa Batswana di bo di seegetswe kwa thoko, di sa kgone gore di age mantlo one a. Bogologolo re ne re itse gore gone go na le bo Boswa jwa Tshwene Construction, e le dikompone tsa Batswana di aga dikole.

Gone ga fetoga fa kae, gone ga senyega fa kae?

Tsholofelo ya me ke gore gongwe re ka bo re gatetse kwa pele gona le gore re boele kwa morago.
Ke tsaya gore Rre Molale as a senior Minister, dintlha tse o tlaa di lebelela gore a di baakanye, e tle e re a ya go ikhutsa, a bo a na le se a ka se lebang a re nnyaa, ke se dirile ke santse ke filwe marapo.

Ke tsone dikgang tse dingwe tse e leng gore re tshwanetse ra di lebelela ka tsela e e ntseng jalo gore re tle re tlhabolole Batswana.
Ga se gantsi ke dumelana le Rre Rakgare, mme ke dumalana le ene thata gore gompieno o simolotse go itharabologelwa fa a bua ka gore dikompone tsa Batswana ke tsone tse di tshwanetseng gore di neelwe.

O ntse o a bona gore ae, golo fa go nna maswe fa re ntse re ya kwa pele.

Ke gone fa ke dumelanang le ene teng.

Nnyaa, mo go tse dingwe tse, ga re dumelane.

Dingwe tse o di tlhalositseng Tona, ke projects tse di tlaa dirwang under Economic Recovery and Transformation Plan (ERTP).
Fa o ka lebelela, go na le project ya kwa Serowe ya Milk Processing Plant.

This project ke e Batswana mo region ele go tsena bo Tonota, Mmadinare mo dikgaolong tsele tsa rona, ba ne ba lebile thata gore this processing plant ya mashi ke yone e e ka ba thusang ka gore mo lefatsheng la Botswana re tlhokana le masi a a tsamaelang kwa go bo almost 90 million litres.

Re ne re solofetse gore mo ngwageng o o neng o feta o, e ka bo e fetile.

Bo Tona ba tshwanetse gore ba tseye boikarabelo.


Fa Palamente e rebotse madi gore nnyaa, a go ye go baakanngwa that Milk Processing Plant, Matona ba tshwanetse ba tsaya boikarabelo.

Re ne ra supa gore plant ele e batla plant fela e ntšha, e e ka nnang le warranty, le gone gore fa go nang le bothata teng, e bo e ka baakanngwa ke ba ba e tsentseng.

Fa ba e dira ka tsela e e ntseng jalo, go nna cheap.
Fa e le gore o ka senka kompone e o reng e ye go shafatsa (refurbish) plant e e rekiseditsweng Goromente e ntse e shafaditswe, go ya go nna more expensive ka gore gompieno re bua ka gore re tshwanetse ra tlhokomela madi a setšhaba.

Ke tsone dikgakololo tse ke reng makolwane a a leng kwa Ministry wa Agriculture bale, ba emelele ka dinao, ka gore ke na le tumelo ya gore fa ba ka emelela, sengwe se tlaa diragala.
Projects tse di ntseng jaana fa di rebotswe ke Palamente, di tshwanetse tsa dirwa nako e sale teng.

Ke na le tumelo e ntsi thata ya gore Batswana mo dikgaolong tsele, ba ne ba setse ba ipaakantse gore ba ka rua dikgomo tsa mashi.

Tse pedi, tse tharo di kgona go ba kgontsha gore ba se ka ba lala ka tlala le gore ba bo ba tswelela jalo ba ntse ba ithusa.

Ke tsone dilo tse e leng gore fa re bua jaana, ke tse ba tshwanetseng go di leba.
Ke bua jaana because go na le mafoko a Mme Serame a a buileng fa o ntetla Mr Speaker, ke nopole mangwe a mafoko a gagwe… 14 Hansard No 205Tuesday 15th February, 2022APPROPRIATION (2022/2023) BILL, 2022 (NO.

2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) MR SPEAKER: Nopola Motlotlegi Mopalamente.

is “There still weak MR MATHOOTHE: implementation of programmes and projects.
Examples include the lengthy delays with the restructuring and privatisation of Air Botswana and the Botswana Meat Commission (BMC), which have long been agreed but the results are unsatisfactory and not much has been achieved.
It is, therefore, critical to strengthen accountability within Government for the implementation of agreed policies.” Golo fa Mme Serame o a tlhalosa gore re le Goromente, re tswa kgakala e le gore dingwe tsa dilo tse re dumalaneng ka tsone, ga re di diragatse ka fa go siameng ka teng.

Re tshwanetse go itshekatsheka, re itebelele, ke kgang e re tswang kgakala le rona ba opposition re e tlhalosa.
Fa a kgonne go bona go le botlhokwa gore le ene a e tsenye, go tshwanetse go nna le ka fa go baakanngwang ka teng.

Fa a bua ka meat commission, re sale re boleletswe, go buiwa ka meat regulator.

Go sale go dumalanwe, ke gakologelwa Honourable Dikoloti, re le kwa Boipuso Hall a re pitsa e a kgakgatha, a re ke tloga ke tshola meat regulator le tlaa e bona.
O jagile a bo a ntshiwa mo lephateng, ga e ise e ko e tle ka gore le nna fela ke le Mopalamente, ke na le ngongorego ya gore Ministers fa di santse di dira tiro (perform), di bo di ntshiwa fa di leng teng, golo moo le gone go kgoreletsa to implement projects.

Jaaka gompieno jaana, ke santse ke le bete se molangwana gore Mme Serame a bo a dule kwa Trade, ke santse ke na le tsholofelo e ntsi, re na le dilo tse re neng re bua ka tsone tsa bo ecology report.
A re o tlaa baakanya, fa re santse re lebile e bile tserwe o isitswe go sele.

Ke dingwe tse di kgoreletsang continuity fela jaaka o bona Mme Manake e le gore o ne a leka e bile o ntshitswe, re ne re solofetse go le gontsi teng foo.

Ke dingwe tse e leng gore fa o bua ka implementation of programmes and projects, go nna go kabakanngwa Matona le gone go na le seabe ka gore motho o a bo a santse a dumela mo go se a se tshwereng.

Fa o mo ntsha foo, ke gone fa go nnang le mathata teng.
Ke dingwe tse a di tlhalosang gone fa gore re tshwanetse go di lebelela ka tsela e e ntseng jalo, ra direla Batswana.

Fa ke tswelela ke ya kwa pele Mr Speaker, o ntetlelele ke nopole nngwe ya dikgang tse Mme Serame a di buileng… MR SPEAKER: Nopola Motlotlegi Mopalamente.
the goals and MR MATHOOTHE: “Achieving aspirations of the nation by 2036, the recent development challenges will require bold decisions, accompanied by serious consequences for non-implementation of programmes, policies, strategies and projects, without valid reasons.” Ke mafoko a re tshwanetseng ra a agela mosako, ra a tsaya e le mafoko a mongwe le mongwe wa rona, bogolo jang Matona, ba tshwanetseng ba a lebelela.

Ga e a tshwanela go nna mafoko a e leng gore nnyaa, a buiwa fela ka gore a kgona go buiwa.
E tshwanetse e nne mafoko a re a agelang mosako, re a diragatsa ka fa go ntseng ka teng.

Fa ke ka go fa sekai, dingwe tse di tshwanetseng go lebiwa ga tsewa dikgato ke fa projects di ntshiwang teng, go bo go nna le ba ba tlang ka dikwalo ba re ga o ka ke wa neela yo, yo re belaela a na le dingwe tsa borukutlhi tse a di dirang.

Fa go nna jalo, dikonteraka di itsheka, ba felela ba fenya, o fitlhela e le gore jaanong Goromente has breached the contract.

Ene yo o neng a dira jalo, o tseelwa kgato efe?


Ke gone fa re buang teng gore re tshwanetse go tsaya dikgato.

Madi a tlaabo a ya go duela kompone eo, re bua ka millions, mme re na le ditsela tse e leng gore gompieno ga di dirwe mo dikgaolong tsa rona.

Ditsela di teng Honourable Motaosane o e tle a bua a re Kubung, Rre Mabuse Pule o e tle a bue ka tsela ya Modipane e e yang kwa Mabalane, re e tle re bue ka ditsela tse di kwa bo Shakawe, mme o fitlhela madi a selekanyo sa P112 million a duela batho fela.
Re na le ditsela tse di tshwanang le tsa bo Tshimoyapula-Majwanaadipitse, tse e leng gore fa re lebelela madi a, re bona e le gore a ka bo a kgona go dira ditsela tseo, mme go ne go dira motho a le mongwefela.

Fa e le gore go na le dingwe tsa borukutlhi tse ba Directorate of Intelligence and Security (DIS) ba di bonang mo dikomponeng tseo, a ba fe kgakololo pele ga konteraka e abiwa.

E se ka ya re fa go setse go tserwe tshwetso, e bo e le gone kgakololo e nnang teng.
Dikgang tse re di bua jaana, e le gore re babalele madi a lefatshe la Botswana.

Re di bua jaana gore se Mma Serame a tlileng ka sone, re se babalele, re sa lebelela go farologana ga rona ga sepolotiki.

Re lebile gore ledi la Botswana ke la rona rotlhe, mme fa madi a emelela a nna jaana, yo o dirang jalo o tshwanetse go tseelwa kgato.

Ke dingwe tse re tshwanetseng go di lebelela gore fa motho a dira jalo, a sena mabaka ape a a ka a tlhalosang, o tshwanetse a tseelwe kgato.
Re se ka ra re fela nnyaa, kana they are independent, go na le ka fa ba ka dirang ka teng, kana ba tsaya lawyers tsa madi a mantsi kwa bo South Africa di tla kwano, di tletse go tla go folosa ditsheko fela, mo e leng gore le Advocate Ramogapi o ne a ka go dira, re bo re ya go duela millions.

Ke gone ka fa e leng gore fa re bua jaana mo Budget Speech, re lebelele ditsela tse di ka felelang e le gore madi a Botswana a tsamaile fela.
15 Hansard No 205Tuesday 15th February, 2022APPROPRIATION (2022/2023) BILL, 2022 (NO.

2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) Nngwe ntlha e ke batlang go feta ka yone gape go babalela ledi la rona, go a gakgamatsa fa o tsena kwa Central Business District (CBD), o bo o fitlhela e le gore dingwe tsa dikago, makalana a ga Goromente a hirisitse koo, ba na le rent e ba e duelang kgwedi le kgwedi.
O bo o ipotsa gore ka re le Goromente ke rona ba re abang lefatshe, ke eng re ne re sa ikabele lefatshe, ra aga dikago tsa setšhaba, re sa ye to rent dikago tsa ga ope.

O fitlhela e le gore fa re hirisitse (rent) jalo, it is possible gore jaanong e bo e le gore we are empowering bangwe ba ba tswang kwa ntle ga lefatshe le.

Madi a mantsi a re a ntshang re rent, ke eng re dira jalo?

Fa re ya kwa pele ka gore ledi la rona le a fokotsega, re tshwanetse ra se ka ra dira jalo.
Re nne le dikago tsa rona re le Goromente, fa re dirile jalo, re itse gore re babalela madi a setšhaba.

Kwa Serowe go na le kwa e neng e le TMC, where diamonds were sorted, mongwe o go rekile.

Fa a sena go go reka, Education e bo e ya go tsena koo e hirisa.
Fa o ka lebelela madi a a duelwang ke khansele kana Goromente kgwedi le kgwedi, gore mo dingwageng tse 10 ba ka bo ba sa kgona go ikagela, bogolo jang ka gore kwa metseng ya rona, re na le ditsha gongwe le gongwe tse di leng teng, tse di sa tlhabololwang.

Kana gongwe e ka bo e nnile bone ba ka bong ba rekile kago eo, e bo e nna ya bone.

Ke dingwe tse re tshwanetseng go di leba ka tsela e e ntseng jalo… MR RAMOGAPI: Elucidation.
Ke a leboga Motlotlegi Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, ke a leboga Motlotlegi Mathoothe.

A mme tota wena o bona fa ba bua puo e ya bone, ba ba busang, ba e bua ba tlhoafetse fa ba ntse ba re go na le tshenyetso-setšhaba, re tshwanelwa ke gore re se ka ra senya, ka fa tshenyo e golelang pele letsatsi le letsatsi, mme ba sa re sepe fela?

A mme wena o bona ba tlhoafetse tota?

MR SPEAKER: Ga a na nako, you have made your point.

MR MATHOOTHE: Le nna ke dumela jalo gore, ga ba a tlhwaafala.
Ba ka bo e le gore projects… e ka bo e nna bone ka gore ga ba bolo go busa ka lebaka, go a gakgamatsa gore mo nakong ya gompieno e bo Goromente o santse a hirisa (rent).

Unless e ne e le tsela ya gore mongwe a nne empowered, gore kamoso ba tle ba kope madi a ditlhopho.

and the magistrate court di tlaa agiwa kwa Serowe, e e tlaabong e tswa e na le mantlo a teng.

Re solofetse gore mo ngwageng o wa madi ba tlaa di aga.
Kgang e nngwe e ke batlang go feta ka yone ke gore, projects tse dingwe tse di tshwanetse gore di tlhodumelwe fa di dirwa.

Kgang ya metsi; project e e saleng e simolotse ya go isa metsi kwa Paje/ Mabeleapudi, last year ka November, re ne ra bolelelwa gore nnyaa December jaana e tlaa bo e fedile.

Batho ba Mabeleapudi le Paje ba bolawa ke lenyora.

Se se utlwisang botlhoko ke gore, didiba tse di leng kwa, ba Morupule ba epile didiba since kepo ya magala e simolola.
Ba tsaya metsi kwa kgaolong ele, a ya go tlhatswa magala kwa Palapye.

Fa go na le sengwe se se tswang ga ba nke ba re gopola kwa Paje/Mabeleapudi.

Re a lela, Paje/Mabelepudi ga a na metsi.

Ga se koo fela, le kwa project e nngwe ya Gojwane/Moreomabele/ Topisi/Serule, e sale e simolotse.

Re kopa thata gore a project e fele ka pela, batho ba metse e ba tle ba bone metsi.

Go na le kgang e e buiwang gotwe ditsela di tlaa dirwa ka Public Private Partnership (PPP) model.
Francistown- Kasane PPP model, it is not a guarantee.

Ke gore fa gongwe fa re bua re re tsela e ya go dirwa ka PPP model, re tlaabo re emelela fa gongwe re le Mapalamente, Batswana bone ba tlaabo ba utlwa lefoko la gore tsela e ya go dirwa, mme kana ga re o batle dikompone tse di ka dumelang to partner with Goromente.

O kgona go ntsha advert ya tsela ya Francistown-Kasane gore o e dira ka PPP, ga bo go sena kompone epe e e tlang.

Go bo go ya go tsaya dingwaga gore that project e dirwe.
Ke dumela gore kgang e ya PPP, e ka buiwa fela fa go setse go weditswe ditumalano.

Fa e santse e le speculation fela, it is not a guarantee.

The company that it partners with, ya re le yone e bo e itse gore mo tseleng eo, fa ke e dira ke ya go boelwa ka tsela e e ntseng jang.

Fa go sena sepe se se tangible se se nnang mo tafoleng, that road ga e na go tlhola e dirwa ka gore ga gona ope yo o tlaa iponatsang kwa pele gore nnyaa ke teng.
O a bo o beile fela mo go Ramasedi, ga se gore e bile tsela ya Francistown e ya go dirwa ngwaga o ka PPP, no, it is not a guarantee.

Ga gona ka fa e ka yang go dirwa ka teng, it will be only done fa go na le e e tlang forward gore nnyaa ke teng ke ka ya go e dira.

Fa ke siana mma ke fete ka ditsela.

Serowe ke motse o o senang ditsela gotlhelele, ga gona gope fa go nang le ditsela teng.

Ke dingwe tse re kopang thata gore a go nne le sengwe se se lebaka.
Ke na le tsholofelo e ntsi ka gore, go ne ga supega gore the new police station Fela sa bofelo ke supe gore, go botlhokwa thata gore fa o tsaya dikgaolo tse di tshwanang tsa bo Khawa kwa nneng batho ba itumela teng go na le ka fa ba bonang morogonyana ka teng ka gore ba ile go rekisa, Khawa Dune Challenge ke dingwe tse di tshwanetseng di boele.

16 Hansard No 205Tuesday 15th February, 2022APPROPRIATION (2022/2023) BILL, 2022 (NO.
2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) Re se ka ra tsaya fela ra etsa jaaka maloba Mopalamente wa Gaborone Central, a re ba dule mo go bineng polka le go thembola, ba dule mo dikuteng, bone ke ba ba tsamayang mafatshe mo.

Kana batho bale ba tlaa tsenwa ke boitlhobogo jwa gore, gongwe Khawa Dune Challenge ga e na go nna teng.

Fa ba na le talente ya go bina polka, ga re go tswelele go nne jalo.

Ke a go leboga Mr Speaker.

Mma Serame ke tlaa tla ke mo leboga kwa morago, fa a setse a dirile tiro.
For now re santse re lebile go le gontsi mo go ene.

Thank you Speaker.

MR SPEAKER: Thank you Honourable Mathoothe, tanki Rraagwe Melissa.

Now we going to have Honourable Member for Lobatse to contribute to the debate.

Rraagwe Motheo.

DR MATSHEKA (LOBATSE): Thank you very much Mr Speaker.

Let me take the opportunity as well go akgela on the Budget Speech as presented by Honourable Serame.
Perhaps also start by congratulating her to the Office of the Minister of Finance, and wish her all the best in that task.

Mr Speaker, I want to seize the opportunity to make a contribution to the Budget Speech, indeed the budget as presented by the Honourable Minister.

It is our duty to contribute constructively, to the debates around the Appropriation Bill itself.

This is not withstanding the politics of our time; it is actually a national duty for us to do so.
We thus should use our collective knowledge to be able to contribute to shaping the future of our country.

I am making the point that, we need to assist and contribute in a manner that helps to contribute to the formulation of ideas and the budget itself.

Mr Speaker, I represent the town of Lobatse as a Member of Parliament.

This is the town that is very rich in history.

In fact, it houses the Constitutional House where the Constitution of this country was debated.
It is quite befitting at this juncture that indeed the Constitution is being reviewed, to actually mark the many years that it has stood the test of time with minor modification overtime.

This town has over the past lost its rightful position in this country, we have seen a lot of developments moving away from Lobatse.

It is one town that has a negative net migration rate.

That means that there are more people living the town than they are coming in.
It is about time that we are able to restore the pride and place of this town in what we do.

We are also facing a serious problems of unemployment amongst the youth, in fact opportunities that are being availed in Lobatse.

I am hoping that going forward, it will receive the same attention as Gaborone, Phikwe, as well as Francistown.

In fact, a lot of my constituents think that Lobatse should actually have its own SPEDU, but I am aware that there are other initiatives that are being put across.
It is also my hope Mr Speaker, that the Pioneer Border Project which is ongoing would actually contribute to the face-lifting of our town and make it more attractive.

That border post is an entry point into the country and town.

It is also along the N4 that drive straight to Namibia.

It is actually a very strategic town, that we have got to look at in a manner that says that we want to alter the shape and direction of our country.
Mr Speaker, the presentation of the budget annually it is actually designed to contribute or demarcate or separate each year in order to go through the National Development Plan (NDP).

Actually this particular budget as the Minister said, marks the end of the NDP 11 period.

I am not going to spend any time on discussing the various allocations that have been given to ministries, understanding very well the very inherent downward rigidities that are structurally imposed by the lack of expenditure.
I also say so because it is incremental budgeting, so a lot of the structure has not changed.

It is actually the allocations that are noticeable.

I also note Mr Speaker, that the Honourable Minister makes the commitment to alter expenditure allocations in favour of development.

Of course, she concedes that it is not a matter that is going to be done in a short space of time, but at least there is a commitment to relook at the allocation between Recurrent and Development Expenditure.
If you look back Mr Speaker, the 1997 Budget Speech sought indeed to realise this particular objective.

I think the title of it was “Sustainable Government Budgeting.” In 1997 that commitment was made to seek to rebalance by restricting Recurrent Government Expenditure to be financed only out of none mineral revenues.
The commitment as made at that time was that in order for you to be able to stop the runaway effects of recurrent expenditure, you perhaps got to finance it completely out of none mineral revenues.

That would have allocated more funds for development.

I want to make the point Mr Speaker, that this was a higher and stricter bar than we practice today.

Perhaps, if we had committed to do so, by that time 1997, the 17 Hansard No 205Tuesday 15th February, 2022APPROPRIATION (2022/2023) BILL, 2022 (NO.
2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) shifting expenditure would have long been achieved.

It is perhaps befitting that we must go back to the ideas of those that have come before us, to see how to vigorously pursue it without giving it too much time to occur or even treat it as a medium term objective, if you really want to deal with the structure of expenditure.
Mr Speaker, the expenditure switch requires the orientation of the whole Government and processes required in the delivery of projects and the review of Government Development Funding Model.

The model let alone, public private requires more agile structures within Government itself.

It will also require that the planning approach is reviewed to have an impact at the national level.
In this regard Mr Speaker, this would disabuse Members of this House, to think that when they speak for their constituencies about projects, as some of the Members expressed their wishes or wish lists; this process is an outcome of a planning approach determined by the electoral system.

The changes that are required extend beyond agitating or speaking for a particular hospital as my Honourable Speaker currently sitting, continues to do so.
The model will take out the requirement to believe that when you speak about these things, even as they are populated in the NDP, they will actually occur within the time that you wish.

Mr Speaker, the public service is the key delivery vehicle for our national projects.

Indeed, public services should thus provide the confidence and believability in Government pronouncements.

The public service is very critical to the delivery of all projects that are before this House.
It is therefore concerning that over and above the structural issues regarding Government wage bill, which is estimated at 16 per cent against the standard 10 per cent, the restructure is planned to be delivered over a period of three years as per the Budget Speech.

Effectively it means that in order for us to conform to the 10 per cent that is international benchmark, it means we have to shave off 6 per cent out of that standard.

It means we are going to do that 6 per cent over a three- year period.
This I hope the Honourable Minister will reflect upon to see within Government, how quickly and effectively they can restructure the civil service and tie it to the Transformation Agenda as pronounced.

The other concern Mr Speaker, is that, this will then be ripping into NDP 12.

You are looking at two or three years into NDP 12 and as the Minister said in concluding the NDP 11 assessment, that the first part of NDP 11 was actually characterised as business as usual.
I am afraid that if you allow this restructure of the wage bill to continue into three years, we would actually be hampering what we intend to do with regard to NDP 12.

We do not want to make the first three years of NDP 12 business as usual.

Let me also join the Minister Mr Speaker, in recognising that Botswana economy needs deep structural reforms, it does indeed.
If you are to realise what we set out to achieve in the ERTP, Mid- Term Review of NDP 11 and indeed NDP 12, these reforms must be prioritised in order to change the direction and trajectory of this economy.

The key issues identified, are the narrow and I might add, low export base against imports.

The low and narrow revenue sources, I want to confirm that Botswana will always be a small country.

It will always have a population that is hovering at the rate of around two million and so forth.
Therefore, it would not be positioned to be attractive to big businesses relocating to this economy.

I am saying this because we have got to look at other avenues that we need to pursue because size is not in our favour and will remain so for the foreseeable future.

Therefore, we need to in agreeing with the Honourable Minister, the de-structural reforms are actually going to be very important impetuses going to 2036 Vision.
We have to look at that particular aspect very seriously, if we are to accept and this is really about the reality that we accept as a country and as this Parliament.

Mr Speaker, you will recall that the National Assembly approved and indeed passed the ERTP and the Mid-Term Review of NDP 11.

In those documents, are building blocks in basis for reclaiming our nation’s fortunes amongst other countries.
The two key objectives which are growth promoting, and this is growth, and are the most impactful amongst those listed in the ERTP, are export-led growth and efficient Government spending.

Those are the two most effective and impactful objectives that are in there.

I know there are others around human capital and so forth, but if you are to transform and really deal with the fundamentals, we have got to address those two in particular.
If you address the efficiency in Government spending Mr Speaker, we are obviating the need for revenue mobilisation because if you achieve the export- led growth, and then you also realise efficiency in Government spending, you limit the ability to mobilise revenues.

You are not dealing with the inefficiencies that are inherent in the system.
It will also allow for Government to create a space for the private sector, so that in that sense when Government is efficient, the private sector is better attuned to be able to do so.

If 18 Hansard No 205Tuesday 15th February, 2022APPROPRIATION (2022/2023) BILL, 2022 (NO.

2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) you…(inaudible)…the need for revenue mobilisation Mr Speaker, you are also dealing with the inflationary effects of what we see happening now around fees and so forth.
It is not necessarily that there is a limited revenue sources, I think the monster is actually the efficiencies in Government spending.

The Minister also said that, in dealing with some of the challenges in implementation, have resulted in delayed projects, delayed implementation and therefore, we are unable to benefit timeously in the investments that have been put across.

The other issue Mr Speaker, that I would like to speak to are the two revenue sources; these are minerals and customs revenue.
These are tied to a negotiated agreement.

Therefore, they are not subject to Government discretion hence may restrict Government’s ability to raise reasonal revenues from these sources of revenue.

I am making this point because it is very important as I try and …(inaudible)… the two objectives that I picked out in the ERTP.

This is the export-led growth as well as efficiency in Government expenditure.
Therefore, the discretion around the key sources of revenue is actually limited because they are actually negotiated agreements.

This is a very important point because the other sources are actually more impactful on people’s standards of living and therefore an inflationary environment.

The key in my view is actually killing the efficiencies that we have talked to in the ERTP.
Mr Speaker, as I referred this Honourable House to the 1997 Budget Speech, and also some of the documents that came out at the time, some of which I contributed to whilst at the university, a lot of the recommendations that are in those documents are still relevant even as far back as 1997.

They remain relevant today.

Our responsibility as a generation that has come after the other Ministers that were here, we are going to be distinguished by what we implement as a Parliament and as Government now.
When we debated the Financial Intelligence Bill, which was passed by this House, I made the following point that the Financial Intelligence Bill as well as well as the new Governance structures of the world, are going to be the key decider in terms of the growth of nations.
There is going to be differences in the growth rates in terms of export growth that are going to determine which countries are ahead of…(inaudible)...I made the point as well Mr Speaker, that the balance of payments and I want to repeat that, the balance of payments of the whole world is equals to zero, which means the total value of imports is equal to the total value of the exports.
Therefore, the difference between the countries is going to be which countries are importing more and which countries are exporting more.

So, that is going to be the difference.

Mr Speaker, this means that our growth or the growth of nations is actually dependent on the speediness of promoting and implementing your export promoting policies and programmes.
The new world order Mr Speaker, is premised on a global governing system, as I said, operating through Financial Action Task Force (FATF) and other structures which have profound effects on export-led growth.
If you are not compliant, you are unable to drive your export agenda and therefore, it is going to be very important that as this House passed the various pieces of legislation that the implementation and the assessments and the continuous treatment of this are actually looked upon because they will affect your export-led growth.

I note as well Mr Speaker, the decision around phasing out the use of cheques, I think by 2024 thereabout in the speech.

That indeed fits into the new world order.


It fits into the new world order in that the global payment system is now converging around a singular platform and therefore, it is going to be a key determinant of what nations do such that if you are not compliant, you are simply just switched off out of the switch system.

You can see and I think all of us have seen this, that the European Union (EU) and the western world are now saying they are going to impose sanctions on Russia for what it is doing.
The first point that they are going to do is to actually switch them off the payment platform of the world.

In that way, Russia is unable to trade with the rest of the world because of the visa platforms and so forth.

I am mentioning these things Mr Speaker, because as a small country, we have to also look at some of these aspects in a manner that allows us to be able to manoeuvre around this.
The whole agenda around terrorism financing is actually underpinned by an economic structure that we are going to have to depend upon.

Mr Speaker, the deficit in the balance of payment, if you allow me to quote Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER: Please do quote Honourable Member.

DR MATSHEKA: Thank you.


“The deficit in the balance of payments reflects…” and this is in the Budget Speech “…net foreign exchange outflows associated imports, Government foreign with payments for currency payments obligations and offshore investment by pension funds and other institutional investors.

In 19 Hansard No 205Tuesday 15th February, 2022APPROPRIATION (2022/2023) BILL, 2022 (NO.
2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) excess…” and that is really the key issue “…in excess of revenues and inflows from exports, transfers and foreign investment.” This particular paragraph sums up everything that I have said; the challenge that we face as a country that in fact, the balance of payment constraint is the most binding in our growth pattern.
Therefore, it suggests Mr Speaker that Botswana’s economic growth is constrained by its balance of payment position in that the rate of imports is higher than the growth of exports.

Of course, you can attain economic growth Mr Speaker without balance of payments problems when the growth rate of imports is less than the growth of exports, there… (inaudible)…as our challenge that we have to really deliberate and I think there is no singular person that resolve this particular puzzle.
It requires a set of policies and programmes that come together.

Mr Speaker, this supports an export-led approach to growth which is what we have in the ERTP.

In fact, the Minister rightly so, expressed a concern that it is critical to intensify transformation efforts aimed at achieving diversified export-led growth.

So, that is really the challenge Mr Speaker.

The fundamental challenge is achieving growth of incomes and employment and we should actually be focusing more on that particular aspect.
It is therefore unclear Mr Speaker, what measures are being undertaken to drive these objectives and that it is likely that it will… because it is important that these are addressed so that we lay the foundation for improved economic growth, job creation and importantly job creation amongst the youth.
We also note Mr Speaker, on paragraph 9 of the speech that economic growth has not been such as to promote employment opportunities for the growing labour force, leading to increased unemployment at 26 per cent.

Our saviour is really to focus on growth promoting policies which will feed into an export-led approach and at the same time address the twin problem of efficient Government expenditure, which are all covered in the Budget Speech as well as in the ERTP.
turn to efficiency Let me now in Government expenditure Mr Speaker, which is critical for growth.

Mr Speaker, as the Minister rightly says, there is a weak implementation of programmes and cites the BMC and Air Botswana.

This Mr Speaker, in the case of BMC in particular, frustrates what we set out to do in terms of harnessing value chain in the beef industry.
In fact, in Lobatse, there are growing concerns now around the fact that both the Leather Park and the BMC and the farming industry, we seem to be in a conundrum of sorts because each one of them depends on the other.

If you cannot solve any one of them, nothing gets solved.
That is why it was almost impractical to stop farmers exporting their own livestock to the rest of the world and yet we know that by doing so, you are actually affecting as well, the ability to actually have a profitable and viable Leather Park.

That puzzle, I think is actually a very important one that needs to be addressed because both have to go together in a simultaneous system.
Mr Speaker, infrastructure development is usually very important as well as the Minister noted and indeed she has listed a number of projects like electricity projects, energy projects, and indeed major water projects.
These are important but I want to make the point that again, if we do not seize the opportunity to actually revisit our development model, we will continue to operate in a constituency-based project allocation when in fact the pattern and consistency amongst the development becomes weaker to recognise.

Mr Speaker, let me speak to Special Economic Zones (SEZs) developments.

I want to make the point that I think SEZs needs to come out of a planning phase Mr Speaker.
It seems to be caught up in what we call a paralysis in planning because we cannot be talking about SEZs… we need to be seeing what is happening.

So, I think this is part of the implementation that we really need to look at because SEZs is a business zone and therefore we ought to be actually showing up a lot of what is necessary.
On the rationalisation of State Enterprises Mr Speaker, this is a welcome move and I think the process is finally moving forward but I can only say that the journey is only starting because of the complexities of what needs to be done practically because it is about people that are in these organisations and also realigning them.

I know that when I was at Citizen Entrepreneurial Development Agency (CEDA), we set up Local Enterprise Authority (LEA).

We took LEA out of CEDA to set it as an institution.
We are now going back and taking LEA back into that structure of some sorts, that is going to take… to unbundle is much more difficult than to bundle or to start afresh.

Mr Speaker, I want agree with the Minister that corruption is indeed ‘the elephant in the room’ in the implementation of projects and I think it is a matter that will need to be attended to.
I know that everybody across this House does not agree with corruption of any 20 Hansard No 205Tuesday 15th February, 2022APPROPRIATION (2022/2023) BILL, 2022 (NO.
2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) form but I will encourage that it be extended because there seems to be a suggestion that civil servants doing business may have had some impact on corruption and I think it may not necessarily be so and I think we have to look at it much more broadly, particularly that we have approved the Public Procurement and Asset Disposal Board (PPADB) Act which has devolved authority to Accounting Officers and therefore, therein lies the challenge of decentralisation and indeed trying to do everything at the same time.
HONOURABLE Honourable Matsheka.

MEMBER: Clarification DR MATSHEKA: Oh, yes!

please go ahead.

MR SPEAKER: Order!

Order!

No, no, no Honourable Matsheka, you cannot allow him.

Otherwise, you are putting me into the stage of conundrum.

DR MATSHEKA: …(Laughter!

)… MR SPEAKER: Otherwise, as it is now 1 o’clock Honourable Members, we are going to end our business here for this afternoon so that we go for lunch.

We shall be back at 2 o’clock.


Thank you very much Honourable Members, bon appétit otherwise, we will soon go into the stage of conundrum.

PROCEEDINGS SUSPENDED AT 1:00 P.M. FOR APPROXIMATELY 58 MINUTES PROCEEDINGS RESUMED AT 1:58 P.M. “EXCHANGE OF SPEAKERSHIP” MR SPEAKER (MR SKELEMANI): Honourable Members, may we switch on our videos so that we can take care of the quorum.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Mr Speaker, I am struggling with my camera, you may count me in.

Thank you.

MR SPEAKER: Okay, thank you.


Order!

Order!

Honourable Members, let us resume our proceedings, and we start with questions.
QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER CONSTRUCTION OF A TEMPORARY STRUCTURE HOUSING GHANZI MAGISTRATE COURT MR J. L. THIITE (GHANZI NORTH): asked the Minister of Defence, Justice and Security to state: (i) the costs incurred in constructing the temporary structure that houses the Ghanzi Magistrate Court; (ii) the cost of leasing caravans per month and the amount spent on rentals to date; (iii) the maintenance expenses incurred on the Ghanzi Magistrate Court temporary structure since it was built to date; (iv) whether in view of such maintenance costs plus the caravan lease rentals it is not then a long term sustainable financial imperative that a permanent structure be built; and (v) whether in view of these incurred lease costs as well as the continuing costs is it not financially sustainable to construct a permanent structure for the Ghanzi Magistrate Court as a matter of urgency.
MINISTER OF DEFENCE, JUSTICE AND SECURITY (MR MMUSI): Thank you.

Good afternoon Mr Speaker, good afternoon Honourable Thiite and Honourable Members!

Thank you for the question Honourable Thiite.

Mr Speaker, the Ghanzi Magistrates Court is housed in an expensive porta cabins structure that comprises of a court room and chamber, support staff offices and civil and criminal registries.

The porta cabin was procured in 2006 at a total cost of P1,463,550.
This amount also included civil works and a construction and installation of septic tanks, sewer lines, storm water drainage system, electrification, paving and a parking lot.

In 2019 two additional porta cabins were procured to house an additional court room and chamber and associated offices at a cost of P1,725,500.

Out of the four porta cabins structures that housed Ghanzi Magistrates Court only one is leased from a private company at a monthly rate of P5,643 including Value Added Tax (VAT).
The total cost of leasing the porta cabin from 2012 to date, close to ten years, is P621,819.

Only minor maintenance works such as servicing air conditioners and changing consumables such as light bulbs have been carried out.

There have been no major maintenance work.

The cost incurred on this porta cabins structure to date will not exceed and would not have been adequate to construct a permanent building.
21 Hansard No 205Tuesday 15th February, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER Generally constructing a permanent Magistrates Court structure cost in the region of P80 Million, subject to inflation.

Therefore the construction cost of a permanent structure exceeds the rental cost of a porta cabins by P76 Million.

Efforts were made for the inclusion of the construction of a permanent court structure during NDP 11, however due to funds constraints a project could not be included.
It is important to highlight however that in spite of these resourcing challenges, the temporary structure made it possible for services to be delivered for cases in the Ghanzi region to be heard and for members of the public to be assisted.

Preparations of NDP 12 has commenced and the construction of the permanent structure for Ghanzi Court has been submitted for inclusion in the NDP 12.

I thank you Mr Speaker.

MR THIITE: Thank you Mr Speaker, I have no further supplementary questions.
COURT CLERK AT SORILATHOLO MR F. T. LEUWE (TAKATOKWANE): asked the Minister of Local Government and Rural Development to state why the village of Sorilatholo does not have a Court Clerk even though it was established as a Court of Records in 2014.

MINISTER ASSISTANT LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND RURAL DEVELOPMENT (MS MONNAKGOTLA): Good afternoon Mr Speaker.

Thank you Motlotlegi Leuwe for this question.


OF Mma ke supe gore ke a lemoga gore Kgotla ya motse wa Sorilatholo ga e na modiri wa maemo a Clerk Assistant, mme ga se motse wa Sorilatholo fela, ka gore mo Kweneng go na le; Sorilatholo, Khekhenye, Mmanoko, Serinane, Tloaneng, Tshwaane le Mogonono.

Mme badiri ba maemo a ga ba a kgona go thapiwa ka gore Puso e ne e santse e emisitse go hira ka nakwana.
Mr Speaker, le fa go ntse jalo ministry o tsweletse ka go leka go thiba diphatlha ka badiri ba maemo a Clerk Assistant kwa motseng wa Sorilatholo le metse e mengwe e le 30 lefatshe lotlhe.

Re solofela gore badiri ba maemo a ba bo ba hirilwe pele ga kgwedi ya March e fela, ka di 1st tsa April ba bo ba setse ba theogetse.

Ka sebaka se motse wa Sorilatholo o bona dithuso mo motseng wa Kaudwane,o e leng gore o 65 kilometres.
O kgakala, mme ke a lemoga gore dikgwetlho tse di teng mabapi le seemo se, ke sone se o bonang re tshwanetseng go tsaya tshwetso ka bonako.

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

22 MR LEUWE: Thank you Mr Speaker.

Ke a leboga Tona, ke lebogela karabo eo.


Gongwe motho o ka dira follow- up ya go botsa gore, mme ka go lebega e le gore motse wa Sorilatholo, has long been recognised, ka lebaka le le leele, e bile go ne go santse go emisitswe dikhiro, ke eng se se neng se sa dire gore bogolo somebody should be transferred golo gongwe a ye go tsweledisa tiro gone koo?

A le ne le sa bone go ka nna mosola fa le ne le dirile jalo?

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

MS MONNAKGOTLA: Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.


Ke bolelele motlotlegi gore, kana fela jaaka ke ne ke setse ke buile, maloba ke ne ke mmolelela gore kana Clerk Assistant e tlhokana le koloi, ofisi e e nang le didirisiwa mo teng, driver le tse dingwe fela jalo, mme go a bo go lebeletswe le budget.

Fa budget e sa letle dilo tseo ke dilo dingwe tse di lebelelwang.

Mme seemo sa madi fa se nna botoka gape go bo go lebelelwa, ke sone se o bonang ke re, ka di 1st Clerk Assistant o tlaabo a setse a le teng.
Ke a leboga.

MR LEUWE: Further supplementary.

Thank you Mr Speaker.

Ke a leboga.

Gongwe ke botse Tona gore, ka o bua thata ka gore Clerk e tsamaya le koloi, le eng, le eng, karabo ya gagwe a e re raya e re, jaaka a solofetsa gore Clerk e tlaa ya go theogela ka di 1st April a o tlaabo a tla ka packages tseo jaaka a re tlhalosetsa jaana?

Ke a leboga.

MS MONNAKGOTLA: Ke a leboga Mr Speaker, e bile ke a leboga motlotlegi.
Dilo tseo re a go di lebelela tsotlhe, re ya go lebelela budget, re lebelela koloi, ofisi, re bona gore tsone dilo tseo fa budget e e letla re tlaabo re kgona go bona gore a Kaudwane e ka leka gore e bo e dirisa koloi le Sorilatholo, mme diofisi di setse di le teng.

Mr Speaker, ke a leboga.
GRATUITIES FOR SPECIAL CONSTABLES MR O. RAMOGAPI (PALAPYE): asked the Minister of Defence, Justice and Security if he is aware that Special Constables take a very long time without being paid their gratuity at the end of their contracts: if so, to state: (i) the total number of Special Constables owed and the amount; (ii) the timeframe as to when they will be paid; and (iii) to explain why Government cannot turn Special Constables contract terms into permanent and pensionable terms, or at least to serve for five to 10 years.
Hansard No 205Tuesday 15th February, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER MINISTER OF DEFENCE, JUSTICE AND SECURITY (MR MMUSI): Thank you Mr Speaker, good afternoon.

Afternoon Honourable Ramogapi, thank you for the question.

Mr Speaker, (i) I can confirm that 475 Special Constables qualify for gratuities amounting to Fifteen Million, Three Hundred and Eighty Thousand, Six Hundred and Seventy-One Pula (P 15 380 671.00).

(ii) The process of paying qualifying officers is ongoing as funds are available.
The exercise will be completed before the end of 2021/2022 financial year (that is by 31st March 2022).

It is worth noting that payment of gratuity is a continuous process as contracts lapse at different times.

(iii) This Honourable House will recall that Special Constables were first appointed in 2004 on a six months’ contract.

However, in 2015 the contract period was increased to a two year fixed contract term.
The officers could not be absorbed into permanent and pensionable terms as Government had issued a moratorium freezing creation of any new positions within the public service, given our dire financial situation as a country.

Therefore, the terms of contract will continue to be reviewed as and when necessary.

I thank you Mr Speaker.

MR RAMOGAPI: Supplementary.

Ke a leboga Honourable Minister ka karabo ya gago eo.
Ke ne ke re ke go botse fela Honourable Minister gore mme tota gone madiadia a a kanakana a madi a feletseng a goroga kwa go P15 million, a ne a bakiwa ke eng?

Le gore a ga re tloge re sena go nna re fetisa Budget e, re bo re utlwa gotwe nnyaa kana madi a tlhaetse?
Mo potsong e e lateleng Honourable Minister, ke ne ke re ke go botse gape gore tota mme gone ke eng fa go tla go tsena mo to consider gore go ka hirwa mang pele, ba bo sportsman le woman ba ba hirwang, ba bo ba kgona gore ba sekasekelwe ka bofefo fa e le gore ke ba sports, go tlogelwa ba ba Special Constable?
Gape ke re ke botse gore yone kgang e ya dingwaga Honourable Minister, tsa gore kana jaanong di ba tšhaetse ka gore bontsi jwa bone ba sale ba berekile e le maSpecial Constable e bile dingwaga di ba fetile, a mme le yone ga o e sekaseke ka gore o tlaa nna o ntse o sekaseka ya phiro ya konteraka gore e ka nna bo five years le 10 years?
Re lebeletse gone gore kana ba Local Government ba kile ba sekasekelwa nako e nne go kopanngwa (merged), ga ise e tlhole e le a requirement, go ne gatwe a ba Local Government le bone le fa motho a le gaufi le to retire, ba tsenngwe fela mo Central Government e nne mapodise.

A le yone eo ga le ise le e sekaseke gore batho ba ba Modimo ba ba direlang lefatshe ka botswerere mo go kanakana ba le kwa front desk, le ba sekasekele go ba hira fela Honourable Minister, ba re tlhomola pelo tota?

Ke a leboga.
Ke a leboga.

MR MMUSI: Thank you Mr Speaker.

Ke ne ke re ke go reye ke re kana tota potso e o kile wa e mpotsa, ga ke itse gore a legale ke wena mme e ne ya botswa ka February last year, a similar question.

Ke ne ka tlhalosa gore it was still reconciling mme madi a ne a bonwa.

Fa go fetswa to reconcile, kana dikonteraka ga di fele tsotlhe nako e le nngwefela ka gore batho ba hirwa ka nako e e farologaneng.
Batch e e leng gore konteraka e kgwedi ya bone e a fela, bone ba a duelwa, ke sone se o bonang e le process e e tsayang nako yone eo.

Botlhe ba dikonteraka tsa bone di yang go fela mo ngwageng o wa madi, ba ya go duelwa madi a bone Honourable Member.

Mo goreng ke eng go hirwa ba sports kampo ba eng; tota mapodise one ba hira fela ba lebeletse batho ba ba ba batlang.

E bo e le gore ba e leng gore ba batla go ya kwa sports kana ba excel, ke bone ba ipatlelang diphatlha gone koo mme ba setse ba hirilwe.
Ga go nke go hirwa specially fela gotwe yo o hirelwa sports ka fa ke itseng ka teng.

E nngwe e ke ka go e bolelelang ke gore kana tota Special Constable fa e ne e simololwa e dirwa, it was a special dispensation ka conditions tsa yone.

Ke sone se o bonang gongwe e simolotse e le six months, mme ya re go ntse go sekwasekwa ga bonwa gore e isiwe kwa go two years.
So ke sone se ke tlhalosang gore dilo tse di tlaa nna di ntse di lejwalejwa fa go ntse go tsweletse go bona gore go ka tlhabololwa fa kae, go ka baakanngwa jang, go ka dirwa eng.

It is an ongoing thing.

I thank you Mr Speaker.

MR MMOLOTSI: Last supplementary.

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.


Tona, ke ne ke re gongwe o tle o tsepame sentle mo goreng kana go na le maSpecial Constable ba e leng gore dingwaga tsa bone di setse di fetile gore ba ka isiwa kwa sekoleng mme ba goletse mo service e ya bo Special Constable.
Jaanong se ke batlang gore o wele mo go sone ke gone gore o tlhalosetse Palamente gore batho ba ka ba goletse mo go lona, a ga le na maikaelelo a go develop a special programme ya bone fela ka gore tota fela fa o lebile, tiro ya sepodise ba a e itse, e berekwa ke bone, ga gona sepe se e leng gore ga 23 Hansard No 205Tuesday 15th February, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER ba se dire se mapodise ba se dirang?
Jaanong plan ya lona ke eng, a le tla ba latlha fela kana le tlaa develop programme e ba tlaa tsenang mo go yone, kana le tlaa dira jang?

A ko o re tlhalosetse Tona.

MR MMUSI: Thank you Mr Speaker.

Kana ngwaga le ngwaga Honourable Mmolotsi fa go hirwa mapodise, let us say fa e le gore go hirwa 300, go tsewa a certain percentage kwa maSpecial Constable, ba e leng gore ba join that recruitment e e tseneng.
Kana gape mapodise ga re ka ke ra tsaya 300 ya maSpecial Constable because re a bo re lebeletse specialities tse dingwe ka gore mo sepodiseng, re na le tse di farologaneng.

Kgotsa re a bo re lebeletse bo pilots, dingaka, bo eng, so re lebelela dilo tse.

MaSpecial Constable ba ba ntseng ba le teng, go nna go tsewa bangwe ka kwa ba tsenngwa mo recruitment programme ya ngwaga one o. I thank you Mr Speaker.

MR MMOLOTSI: Ke raya ba ba setseng ba digetse dingwaga, ba ba ka se keng ba ye sekoleng.
Ba dingwaga tse di fetileng go ya sekoleng mme ba goletse mo go lona.

MR MAJAGA: Procedure.

Potso ya me ke ya boraro Mr Speaker, mme o ne wa ntlola ke ntse ke... MR SPEAKER: Ga ke a go tlola, ke go biditse o ne o seyo.

MR MAJAGA: Ke teng, ke mo Palamenteng, ke mathata a maranyane.

MR SPEAKER: Ee, ga o a araba.

Fa o sa araba ga o yo.

MR MAJAGA.

Ke a kopa ka tsweetswee, ke sule lentswe.

MR SPEAKER: Jaanong o re diela nako.


MR MAJAGA: Nnyaa, ga ke die nako, o lwa le nna, ga ke itse gore o lwela eng le nna.

Ga go a siama Mr Speaker, re tshware ka go lekalekana.

MR SPEAKER: Cut Majaga out.

Cut him off.

MR MAJAGA: Re tshware ka go lekalekana.

O se ka wa dira jalo, nna ke emetse batho ba Nata-Gweta... MR SPEAKER: Cut Majaga off.

MR MMUSI: Ke a go leboga Mopalamente yo o tlotlegang Honourable Mmolotsi.
Jaaka ke setse ke arabile Mopalamente, kana maSpecial Constable ba ne ba hirwa under a special dispensation e e neng e beilwe rraetsho.

Jaaka ke go bolelela, e ntse e tla e tlhabololwa, e baakanngwa nako le nako.

Jaanong gompieno ke two- year contract, re tlaa nna re ntse re e lebelela fa re ntse re tsweletse re ya kwa pele.

So ba e leng gore gongwe jaaka o bua, ga re na a special process or plan gompieno go fetola mo go e re nang nayo.

I thank you Mr Speaker.


MR MMOLOTSI: O tshwanetse a sa nkutlwe Mr Speaker.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: A mme go safe go ba dump mo seterateng o sena go nna o ba ruta tiro?

MR SPEAKER: O a go doja.
COST SHARING RATION MR D. TSHERE (MAHALAPYE WEST): asked the Minister of Mineral Resources, Green Technology and Energy Security to explain how the Botswana Power Corporation (BPC) works with customers who are forced to pay for the transformer because of being outside the BPC grid layout; he should further state: (i) the cost sharing ration; (ii) whether the customer who bought the transformer gets some reimbursements as and when the other customers are connected to the same transformer; (iii) at what stage or under what circumstances the original buyer loses all the rights, if any, to the transformer; and (iv) if there is any compensation when one eventually forfeits the transformer to BPC.
MINISTER OF MINERAL RESOURCES, GREEN TECHNOLOGY AND ENERGY SECURITY (MR MOAGI): Ke a leboga Mr Speaker, and good afternoon colleagues.

Mr Speaker, National Electricity Standard Connection (NESC) fee is only applicable to new household connections within 500 metres radius, and any other household outside the radius pays the actual connection cost.

The new NESC fees are P2 500 for low-income households with a monthly income up P2 400 and P5 000 for medium to high income households, (excluding VAT).
(i) All consumers shall be entitled to a proportional refund if additional consumers connect to the existing grid they have funded.

This only applies in non-standard connecting areas or non NESC areas, that is, those that are beyond the 500 metre radius.
24 Hansard No 205Tuesday 15th February, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER (ii) A refund contribution is incorporated in the quotation issued to new customers intending to connect and once they pay, the amount or distributable is transferrable to the beneficiaries immediately.

bidiwa o tlaa go neelwa madi a gago.

A o neelwa cheque kana o tlaabo o tsenyediwa mo account, kgotsa le dira thulaganyo epe fela e e tlaa bong e le teng, jaaka gongwe o kare nnyaa fokotsang sekoloto same ka madi a go nna jalo.
Go diragala jalo rra.

(iii) Where there is an upgrade and replacement of assets (transformers) by the Corporation to accommodate new customers, the refund to pioneers shall not be applicable.

(iv) Members who paid for a reticulating network will be entitled to a refund when new members connect to the network during the initial 10-year period for a rural collective scheme, or five years for a privately financed project.

Any connection done outside the stipulated dates shall not be refunded.
The corporation does not compensate for forfeiture of the transformer if the five years or 10 years grace period for rural collective scheme has elapsed.

I thank you Mr Speaker.

MR TSHERE: Supplementary.

Tanki Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.

Ga ke a go utlwa sentle Tona, a ko o e tlhatswetse Motswana fela sentle ka puo ya Setswana gore a wa re go na le madi mangwe a motho yo o tsentseng motlakase ka transformer a a busediwang?

E bile o a busediwa fa go ntse jang?


Ke utlwile gore go na le ba ba a busediwang le ba ba sa a busediweng.

Jaanong gone foo ga ke a go utlwa sentle.

Gape o tlhalose gore fa le a bua, a le raya le a tsenya mo account ya gagwe ya banka kana le tlaabo le ituela ka one madi a a a kolotang motlakase?

Go diragala jang gone foo ka gore nna banni kwa Mahalapye ba re ga ba nke ba thusiwa ka kgang eo.

A ko o tlhalose ba go utlwe sentle.

Ke a leboga.


MR MOAGI: Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, ke a leboga Mopalamente Tshere.

Ke ne ke bua jalo rra ke re, fa o ne o goketse motlakase wena o o gogile, e bo e le gore kwa morago ba bangwe ba tla ba tsaya wena o setse o gogile ka ditshenyegelo tse di kalo, ba e leng gore ba neelwa quotation gore jaanong ka ba batla go tsenya motlakase, go tlaabo go lebelelwa gore ba kae.
A re re gongwe ba bararo, madi a e leng gore wena o ne o tsentse ka one; wena yo e leng gore o sale o tsentse pele, a tla kgaoganngwa a okediwa mo teng ga quotation e e direlwang ba bararo ba ba batlang go tsenya motlakase ba.
Fa ba sena go nna ba duela madi ao, e le gore jaanong ba batla go tsenyediwa motlakase, wena immediately o tshwanetse gore o bo o Fa e le gore gongwe bangwe kwa Shakwe kana kwa Taupswe ga ba a thusiwa, ke gore ba ikopanye le ba office go tle go lebelelwe gore ke bomang ba ba gogileng mo go ene, mme a tle a thusiwe ka tsela e e ntseng jalo.

Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.

MR KEKGONEGILE: Supplementary.

Tanki Mr Speaker, mme ke dumedise Batlotlegi ke dumedise setšhaba ka kakaretso.
Tona, sekai se o se fang sa batho ba ba babedi, ka gore go a kgonagala gore se fete batho ba babedi, a re fe sekai sa gore ba le babedi ba tsere mo go wena, go tswa foo kwa morago go bo go ntse go tla go tsaya ba bangwe gape ba le five mo go lona, mme wena o sale o duetse lantlha.

A ba ba tlang kwa morago bao le bone go na le gore o ka duelwa, madi a bone a connection a tlhamalale kwa go wena gona le go ya kwa BPC, kana go tlaabo go feletse gone mo go ba ntlha bao?

Ke tseela gore o a ntlhaloganya Tona.


Tanki.

MR MOAGI: Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, ke a leboga Honourable Kekgonegile.

Ke a go tlhaloganya fa ke go utlwa sentle.

A re re wa ntlha o ne a duetse P20 000 mme gongwe go tshwanetse go duelwa P5 000 for argument sake.

Lona ba le tlaa bong le tla go gokela, go raya gore difference eo ya lona eo, e ya go balelelwa mo mading a e leng gore a ne a fetile a yole wa ntlha yo o neng a gokela.
Go bo go raya gore one ao ke one a a tlaa bong a neelwa motho yoo, go bo go feditswe school sa lona.

Gakere jaanong go tlaabo go raya gore o setse tlisitse transformer foo, e e leng gore e na le capacity e e rileng ya gore e ka gokela batho ba le kae.

So bone fa ba setse batla jalo, ba tlaabo ba ntse ba e kgaoganya ka tsela e e ntseng jalo go fitlhelela fela transformer e sa tlhole e ka tsenya batho ba ba ka fetang transformer eo.
Gongwe go ya go nna le transformer ya bobedi, le bone ba tlaa balelwa ka cost ya teng.

Gongwe ke e tlhatswe sentle ka gore e kare ga ke a utlwala, gongwe ba tsere two, mme go santse go setse three more people, I think ba tlaa e kgaoganya ka tsela e e ntseng jalo.

Gape ba lebile le map wa ditsha tse di foo le tse di ka tsenang gone foo.

Fela motho yo e leng gore ene o tlaabo a tsentse laantlhantlha, o tshwanetse gore a boelwe ke madi a gagwe a a siameng fela ka tsela e e ntseng jalo.
Ke tsaya gore e a utlwala sir.

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

25 Hansard No 205Tuesday 15th February, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER INTERNET CONNECTIVITY PROBLEMS IN SELEBI PHIKWE SCHOOLS MR K. NKAWANA (SELEBI PHIKWE EAST): asked the Minister of Basic Education if he is aware that most schools in Selebi Phikwe have internet connectivity problems; and if so, when he intends to remedy the problem.
MINISTER OF BASIC EDUCATION (MR MOLAO): Mr Speaker, the ministry is aware that connectivity in secondary schools requires upgrading to achieve its plans for school digitalisation.

Currently, connectivity in most secondary schools runs at 10 Mbps or below which is insufficient for the implementation of Information and Communication Technology (ICT) integrated teaching and learning.
My ministry is working with the Smart Botswana Village Connectivity Programme to upgrade or connect all schools in the country.

Selebi Phikwe is included in Phase I amongst the first 142 villages to be covered by SmartBots village connectivity programme which is planned to complete this year 2022.
This programme will eventually upgrade or connect all public schools (Primary and Secondary) with a minimum internet connectivity of 50 Mbps with comprehensive school-wide Wi-Fi coverage to facilitate the implementation of e-Education, and is scheduled for completion in March 2023.

Lastly Mr Speaker, Smart Botswana as already started in Selebi Phikwe, is coping, and need assessment of what will be done under this project this year 2022.

I thank you Mr Speaker.

MR NKAWANA: Supplementary.


Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

Gongwe motho o ka botsa gore one mananeo a a gago Tona, ka jaanong Minister of Finance and Economic Development a re bana ba dikole ba ya go neelwa tablets, gone mo o go buang, capacity ya teng e tla kgona to accommodate this new developments?

Le gore jaaka re tlaabo re bua jaana, a barutabana bone dispensation ya tablets, le ba tsentse mo teng?

Ke a leboga.

MR MOLAO: Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.


Ke sone se re tlhalosang gore sekole sengwe le sengwe, capacity e tlaabo e tsholediwa go tswa kwa go 10 megabytes go ya kwa go 50.

50 yo baitseanape ba tsa maranyane, ba dumela gore o tlaabo a lekane go tshegetsa tsotlhe tse re eletsang go di dira tsa thuto ka maranyane.
Gore thuto ka maranyane e tle e kgone go wela, tota it stands to reason gore mongwe le mongwe yo o mo tshiamelong ya go ruta e le morutabana, e le ngwana, o tshwanetse gore a bo a gokagane le maranyane one a. Ka jalo, kana barutabana ga ba ka ke ba ruta ka maranyane bone ba sena ditsompelo tsa maranyane.

Ke dilo tse di gokaganang mokaulengwe gore botlhe ba bo ba na le ditsompelo, bana gammogo le barutabana.

MR REGOENG: Supplementary.

Tanki Mr Speaker.


internet Honourable Minister, kana problem ya connectivity ga e kwa Phikwe fela.

Ke ne ke ipotsa gore a thulaganyo e o buang ka yone, e tlaabo e akaretsa lefatshe la rona la Botswana ka gore le kwa Molepolole, they experience the same problem mo dikoleng tsotlhe tse 10 tsa primary schools tse di mo kgaolong ya me, ba na le computers but no connectivity.

MR MOLAO: Ee rraetsho, fa e ya go wela e tlaabo e akaretsa dikole tsotlhe mo lefatsheng la Botswana.
Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

REVIEW OF THE BOTSWANA POLICE ACT MR M. I. MOSWAANE (FRANCISTOWN WEST): asked the Minister of Defence, Justice and Security: (i) when the Botswana Police Act will be reviewed to address the absorption of Special Constables into the service; (ii) how many Special Constables are over the mandatory entry age into the police service; and (iii) how many Special Constables lost their jobs because they were now over the mandatory entry age requirement.
MINISTER OF DEFENCE, JUSTICE AND SECURITY (MR MMUSI): Thank you Mr Speaker.

(i) The Botswana Police Service continues to absorb qualifying Special Constables into the Service, therefore there are no plans to review the Police Act in order to facilitate absorption of Special Constables into the service.

(ii) A total of 521 Special Constables are over the mandatory entry age of 18-24.

(iii) Mr Speaker, it is worth noting that Special Constables are employed on a renewable two year fixed term contract.
Therefore, no one lost their job to date as a result of exceeding the mandatory 26 Hansard No 205Tuesday 15th February, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER age of 18-24.

Those who lost their jobs are the ones who have been dealt with disciplinarily or criminally.

I thank you Mr Speaker.

MR MOSWAANE: Supplementary.

Mr Speaker, ke ne ke re ke go utlwe sentle, wa re qualified Constables?
Ke na le bangwe ba ba berekang mo Botswana Police, ba dira investigations, ba tshwara batho who are convicted, ga ke itse gore a ga ba qualified, mme ba le over the age of 24 yone e o e buang e e mandatory.

Why le sa ba hire ka gore they are serving Botswana Police Service mo nakong ya gompieno?

Ke yone problem e e re tlisang kwano ka gore they become temporary up until they reach pension age.

Maikaelelo ke go dira jang ka bone?

Thank you.

MR MMUSI: Tanki Mr Speaker.


Kana se ke lekileng go se tlhalosa ke gore ngwaga le ngwaga Botswana Police Service fa e recruit, e tsaya a certain portion jaaka ba na le Special Constables.

Ba tsaya bontlha bongwe mo go bone ba ba tsenya mo Police Force fela jalo, ba nna ba lebelela requirements tse ba di tlhokang.

Ba e leng gore ga ba a tsewa, ba nna ba shafaletswa ka the two year contract e e teng, e e beetsweng Special Constables.
Ke ne ke re ke e tlhalose jalo Mr Speaker, I hope ke e tlhalositse sentle.

MR MOSWAANE: Nnyaa, mme ga ke a kgotsofala Minister.

Ke ne ke re bangwe are serving mo Botswana Police Service ba na le bo 15 years e le Special Constables.

Ga le ba hire, ba setse e bile ba fetile the mandatory age e ba e beetsweng ya 18 to 24 years ba tsamaya kwa go bo 35 years.

Ga le ba hire, ba ya go hirwa leng mo botshelong jwa bone?
Ke yone kgang e ke batlang o e tlhalosetsa batho ka gore batho ba are worried about their future, ga ba mo pension, ga ba mo go sepe fela, mme e le badirelapuso ba ba temporary for 20 years.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ba tsofaletse foo.

MR MMUSI: Batho bao e rile fa ba hirwa kwa ntlheng, ba ne ba itse gore ba hirwa ka konteraka ya two years.

Ke yone e e leng gore it is fulfilled now by Botswana Police.

E nngwe ya gore ba ba absorb, fa ba bona ba na le skills tse di rileng ke sone se ba ba tsayang, ba ba tsenya.
O ka nna wa tswa o bereka, mme gongwe go na le sengwe se o se tlhaelang se se dirang gore o se ka wa nna qualified to be absorbed.

I thank you Mr Speaker.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ke eng selo sa teng?

MR MMUSI: Ga se nna ke hirang.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ke wena yo o hirang.

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… HONOURABLE MEMBER: Araba Tona.

DR GOBOTSWANG: Supplementary.

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.


Kana fa o bona dikgang tse di ntse di boaboa tsa maSpecial Constable, o tshwanetse go lemoga gore re a tshwenyega jaaka re tswa mo dikgaolong ka fa ba tsewang ka teng.

Jaanong potso ke gore a mme le raya gore le dira gotlhe mo le ka go kgonang go tlhomamisa gore Special Constables ka dinako tse di rileng, ba nna mo dipalong tse e leng gore they can be absorbed into the Police Force?
In other words, a mme le kile la akanya dikgang tsa gore fa ba tsenelela interviews, go nne le an added advantage?

Gore fa e le gore o lekana le yo o tswang kwa a tswang teng, ka gore ba pasitse jang, mme e bo e le gore o ka fetisiwa, go lebilwe gore ene o ntse a le mo sepodiseng e bile a se direla ka boineelo Honourable Minister?

A mme le dira gotlhe mo le ka go kgonang gore ba felele ba tserwe sir?

MR MMUSI: Thank you sir.


O ntheetse sentle sir, kana gompieno fa e le gore mapodise ba hirwa ba le 100 ngwaga o, go tlaabo go lebelelwa gore gore sepodise se gole, go ya go tlhokafala eng le eng.

Gongwe ngwaga o go lebeletswe dingaka, pilots, nurses kana different skills.

Skills tseo fa di fetsa go tladiwa, go bo go tsewa bone Special Constables ba ba leng teng, ke bone jaanong ba tlang go tlatsa go dira 100 ene yoo.

Kana ga se gore re hira fela, re laolwa ke budget e re e filweng.
Re a bo re lebeletse, fa re fetsa go tlatsa skills tse re di tlhokang, e bo e le gone jaanong re tsayang Special Constables.

Ga se gore re ba beetse kwa thoko ka sepe gape, mme re lebelela gore sepodise se tshwanetse go nna le different skills at all times and they must be fulfilled.

I thank you Mr Speaker.


MEASURES TO EXPEDITE LAND ALLOCATION MR S. N. MOABI (TATI WEST): asked the Minister of Land Management, Water and Sanitation Services what measures are in place to expedite land allocation to Batswana.

MINISTER OF LAND MANAGEMENT, WATER AND SANITATION SERVICES (MR MZWINILA): Good afternoon Mr Speaker.
(i) Mr Speaker, the House will recall that during the 12th Parliament, Parliament approved that residential plots should be allocated on un- serviced land after thorough consultation with 27 Hansard No 205Tuesday 15th February, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER eligible applicants.

Following the approval of the Motion, the ministry through all land boards instantly implemented the decision to expedite land allocation of un-serviced plots to meet the demand for residential and business plots across the country.
My ministry, therefore anticipates to realise accelerated allocations which will ultimately address backlog of residential waiting list.

(ii) Mr Speaker, furthermore, the ministry is currently working towards addressing some of the identified delays to expedite land allocation to Batswana.
These include among others dealing with delays in land acquisition by looking into different compensation models with the view to have partnerships with land owners instead of outright purchase or outright compensation payments.
The current monetary compensation model based on the loss of land rights and cost of developments is facing resistance from many land title holders especially those close to urban centres, because our rates according to them are not commensurate with what they believe should be the correct compensation.

The preferred model is the market value of the property which will come at a huge cost to Government and we work according to a budget or a budget that is limited.
My belief is that the introduction of other models of compensation will address the concern of Batswana and shorten the land acquisition process which in turn will avail land for allocation.

(iii) Mr Speaker, one of the identified impediments is the standardized procedures for land delivery and developments across towns, villages and rural settlements irrespective of size, location and planning hierarchy.
We are addressing these bottlenecks by rolling back the administrative and legal requirements for creating a plot, so that requirements like the Strategic Environmental Assessments (SEA) are only undertaken where it is necessary to do so and in line with the hierarchy of the settlements.

At the present moment, there is a legal requirement for us to perform this SEA and the environmental sensitivity of the area needs to be understood.
We are engaging with the Ministry of Environment, Natural Resources, Conservation and Tourism for exemption of some of the plans from requirements of the SEA.

In addition Mr Speaker, the limited use of technology is one of the contributing factors to delays in land delivery.

We are revamping our resources, so that we embrace new technologies like high-resolution satellite imagery, continuous reference station to the fullest in processes like production of base maps and surveying.
Base Maps are done by the land board and surveying is done by the Department of Surveys and Mapping.

Funds permitting, we will also consider the use of drones in terms of expediting these processes.

Mr Speaker, at structural level, we are considering decentralisation of some functions to the land boards so that some processes like valuation for compensation purposes and surveying can be completed without reference to the ministry departments.
The ministry is further considering the removal of some approval stages in the production of layout plans.

At the present moment, we experience delays in the production of layout plans as they are done by the Physical Planning Departments which is in a different ministry which is the Ministry of Local Government and Rural Development.

Mr Speaker, land boards have identified open spaces within the built up areas so that they can prepare infill layout plans.
The expected number of residential plots to be realized from the infill developments is 83,310 to be allocated during this year.

Mr Speaker, the above are the measures that we are undertaking to expedite delivery of land allocation to Batswana.

I thank you Mr Speaker.

MR MOABI: Supplementary.

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

Tona, ke utlwa tlhaloso ya gago kana karabo ya gago e telele.

Gongwe fa e ka bo e le telele jaana o bua ka Setswana, go ne go ka berekela ba ba kwa lwapeng.
Re tla mo Ntlong e, re botsa dipotso re boletsa ba ba kwa lwapeng gore gongwe le bone ba tle ba utlwe.

Ka fa o tlhalosang ka teng, ke ne ke solofetse gore gongwe o tlaa tla ka ditharabololo.

Go lebega o fa tlhaloso e e seng la ntlha ke e utlwa, o tlhola o bua ka yone malatsi otlhe, re tswa kgakala re le mo go yone.
Fa re bua ka kgang ya lefatshe le ditsha, ke tsaya gore gongwe o ka bo o le mo ditlhakong tsa rona, o itse se re se utlwang kwa dikgaolong tsa rona ka letlhoko le re tswang kgakala re bua ka lone.

O supile gore re dumalane re le Palamente maloba, ke dumalana le wena gore batho ba tle ba fiwe ditsha tse di sa tlhabololwang.

Tona, ga ke itse gore a o lemoga gore le fa re ne ra tsaya 28 Hansard No 205Tuesday 15th February, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER tshwetso ya mofuta o, ga gona diphetogo.
Go tshwana fela le maloba, fa gotwe go tlhabololwe pele go tle go isiwe ditsela le metsi.

Le gompieno ga gona sepe se se fetogileng.

Ke utlwa o supa gore go na le dingwe tse di dirwang ke maphata a sele Tona.

Go na le ba ba kwa Local Government le ba ba kwa Tourism.

Tona, a ga o bone e le nako ya gore gongwe dilo tse di dirwang ke maphata a sele di tle mo lephateng la gago, di dirwe golo go le gongwe go se ka ga nna le ditiego tse di tshwanang le tse.
Fa ke wela, jaaka o ne o supa delay tse di teng tse o di itseng, gongwe o ne o ka fa Ntlo e timeframe.

Gore ka o le mo mabakeng a a tshwanang le a o a tlhalosang, re ya go bona leng go fetoga.

Tona, fa ke bua ka timeframe ke tsaya gore lephata la gago ke lengwe la maphata a e leng gore fa a fa timeframes, ga a nke a fa timeframes tse di tshelang.

Ke maloba ke le fa, o supa fa metsi a tlaa goroga kwa kgaolong ya me ka 26th November, le gompieno ga a ise a goroge.
Ke batla gore o tle o bolelele Ntlo e le batho ba Tati West gore, mathata a o a bokang a, a ya go fela leng.

Re ya go bona leng batho ba Tati West ba fiwa ditsha.

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

MR MZWINILA: Ke a leboga Motlotlegi Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.

Ke lebogele motlotlegi dipotso tsa gagwe, tse jaaka a bua ga se la ntlha ke di araba.

Ke tlhola ke di araba ka Setswana, go raya gore fa Setswana se pala gore motlotlegi a se tlhaloganye, ga ke itse gore ke bue teme efe jaanong.
Ke arabile dipotso tse gantsintsi, e bile di botswa ke ene.

Sa ntlha o kile a botsa gore ka gore go na le tiego mabapi le ba Physical Planning, re tlaa re dira jang gore ba Physical Planning ba tle kwa go rona.

Ke ne ka tlhalosa gore re mo dipuisanong le ba Lephata la Local Government and Rural Development, re bone gore re ka tla ra fefosa jang thulaganyo ya gore ba Physical Planning ba goroge kwa go rona, kana re dirisanye le bone sentle mabapi le tsa Physical Planning.
le seelo sa gore re ka reka tshimo ya bone ka bokana, ba thola ba sa dumalane le madi a teng, ba gana madi a re a ntshang, ba bua madi a a kwa godimo a a seng mo kabong ya madi a rona.

Ke mo tlhaloseditse gore, mo ke tiego ka gore fa e le gore motho o gana ka tshimo ya gagwe rona re re P40 000 ene a re o batla P4 million, go nna bokete mo go rona gore re bone gore re ka tla ra fefosa jang dipuisanyo tseo.
O ka bo a re thusa ka go buisana le ba kgaolo ya gagwe, ba bangwe ba bone e leng ba ba ganang ka masimo a bone.

Ke tlaa ikopanya le ene ke mmolelele gore o ka re thusa jang go buisana le ba kgaolo ya gagwe ba ba ganang ka masimo a bone, gongwe re tlaa thusega ka gore o supile gore o batla gore a re thuse.
Se sengwe gape se ke se buileng ke gore, re na le tiego e e dirwang ke kgang ya gore re tshwanetse gore re dire tsa SEA, re lebelela gore a tikologo e siame, e ya go amega ka tsela e e ntseng jang, e ya go amiwa ke dilo tse di ntseng jang.

Molao oo ga se wa rona, ke wa lephata la ga Mma Kereng.

Ke buile gore re mo dipuisanyong le bone, gore re bone gore re ka fefosa jang thulaganyo eo, kana ra tsaya tshwetso ya gore mo metseng e mengwe re se ka ra nna re le SEA tseo.
Ke ditharabololo tse re di lekang, tse ke tlholang ke di tlhalosa ka Setswana le ka Sekgoa.

Jaanong ga ke itse gore motlotlegi o tlaa re ke tlhalose ka teme efe, gore a tle a tlhaloganye sentle, ka gore o tlhola a mpotsa potso e e tshwanang malatsi otlhe.

Ke a leboga Motlotlegi Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Lebeleka.

MR MZWINILA: Ke tlaa leka next time.

MR SPEAKER: The time for questions is up.

We have to proceed to the Appropriation.


APPROPRIATION (2022/2023) BILL, 2022 (NO.

2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) Re buile ka kgang ya gore re na le tlhaelo ya madi, e motlotlegi a e tlhaloganyang, ke kile ka mo e tlhalosetsa.

Ke gakgamala gompieno a re ga a e tlhaloganye.

Ke ne ka tlhalosa gore, gore re nne le tharabololo ya tlhaelo ya madi gore re reke ditsha tsa batho, kana fa motse o gola kana re oketsa motse, re tshwanetse gore motse o golele kwa masimong.
Jaanong gore re tseye masimo a batho ga re a tseye fela, go batla gore re tsene mo dipuisanong le bone.

Madi a re tlholang re a ntsha kana re a baya e MR SPEAKER: Order!

Order!

Honourable Members, the debate is resuming.

I think when the House adjourned, …(Inaudible)… Honourable Dr Matsheka was on the floor, and he was left with 5 minutes 58 seconds.

DR MATSHEKA (LOBATSE): Dumelang Mr Speaker, and good afternoon Honourable Members.
Mr Speaker, I had covered a lot of ground and I will be wrapping up in the last five minutes.

29 Hansard No 205Tuesday 15th February, 2022APPROPRIATION (2022/2023) BILL, 2022 (NO.

2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) Ke confirm gape gore ke dumalana le the Honourable Minister, in her explanation of the 37 per cent that was referred to in the last year’s budget.
I agree with her that indeed it is about investment efficiencies, and also that if those had been properly done it will have resulted in 37 per cent more infrastructure in the country.

I think if we face that reality, then we are better placed to actually solve our problems.

The reality is that, if we do not have the efficiencies as I said before, efficiency in Government spending, we will continually be lagging behind in the infrastructure that is required for this country.
Kgang e nngwe e Honourable Minister a neng a e bua gape ke ya... HONOURABLE MEMBER: Dr Matsheka, you yielded, ke kopile clarification foo.

DR MATSHEKA: Well, I hope you do not take me too back.

Mr Speaker, I allow it.

MR HIKUAMA: Point of clarification.

Ke a leboga.

Ga ke na go go busetsa kwa morago thata.

Ke kgang e o neng o e bua fa o wetsa gone foo, e o neng o re, fa le le kwa CEDA, le ne la tlhama lekalana la LEA.
Mabaka a matona a o ka a tlhalosetsang batho gore se le neng le bona se tlhokafala gore go nne le LEA, e se ka ya nna lekalana le le ka fa tlase CEDA, e ne e le eng?

La bofelo ke e o welang ka yone, gore a Government spending e ya inefficiency, mma ke go neele sekai; kwa Makakung go na le primary e e goketsweng ka solar system mme go na le motlakase wa Botswana Power Corporation (BPC).

A mme o raya gore golo mo ga se go senya madi a Puso?
Motlakase o le teng mo motseng, go bo go isiwa kompone gotwe e dire solar panel kwa sekoleng.

Ke a leboga.

DR MATSHEKA: Thank you very much.

I think issue ya LEA would be ably answered by the relevant Minister.

At the time, it was really around trying to make sure that training and mentoring gets dedicated attention out of an institution because CEDA was doing almost everything, the value chain ya entrepreneur development.

So, that was the logic then.


I am sure we will hear from the relevant Minister when they come back with the restructuring.

E ya efficiency in spending; I think it is important that we accept gore we can do things better, that is really the key point for me.

There are contradictions in the delivery of services, it is no doubt.

There are inefficiencies in spending, completion of projects, disputes around project implementations, all those things come together to delay the developments of this country.
The reality is this, we are young country, our infrastructure ought to be much more shining because these are new investments.

This is not a 100-year old economy and therefore, there are inherent problems that ought to happen.

As long as we confront that reality as a nation, as a leadership, then I am sure we can resolve a lot of these issues.
On the issue ya Citizen Economic Empowerment (CEE), you know, I have always said before gore there are no foreigners in Tender Committees, there no foreigners, it is us.

There is no amount of legislation that is going to force us to do what is right nationally and patriotically.

So, that is really the reality of what we need to do.

I am saying gore we have got the raft of laws and everything and even Local Economic Development as currently done.
Local Government is a challenge to actually make sure that income falls in the hands of Batswana.

Ntlha e nngwe e ke batlang go e bua Mr Speaker, in conclusion ke ya gore one of things that I would have wished to see is actually a Budget which is directly supporting the business community.

We have got a policy that said, we want to increase the middle class, but I have got to work it out of the Budget, outside of the indirect support that is going to come through tenders and so forth.
We have to work out what the Budget has for the business community.

A business community that is emerging out of the COVID-19 challenges.

There should have been a catapult e e tsentsweng mo teng to actually say, how do we get businesses to run faster on account of recovery given all the challenges that we have.

The only recovery that we are seeing is coming out of the revenues tsa minerals, which is really something that as I said before, is not in control of Government.
It is actually a negotiated agreement on what is there.

Kgang e nngwe ya bofelofelo Mr Speaker, ke ya to acknowledge which was in the ERTP dualing ya A1, that indeed, the continuation ya yone all the way to Ramatlabama is a very important thing.

It will actually connect with N4 e e tswang kwa Zeerust and Rustenburg that goes to Namibia.

All those Mr Speaker, are important projects.


I think we have got to do a policy thrust that recognises all these things have to come together to support export growth and Government efficiency.

We can do much better in terms of efficiencies that are required in order to save money, complete projects on time, deliver services to Batswana and perhaps even ask less out of Batswana.

We have got resources for our size of the country, for the population to be able to do clean investment in our facilities.
30 Hansard No 205Tuesday 15th February, 2022APPROPRIATION (2022/2023) BILL, 2022 (NO.

2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) If you go to Athlone hospital, of course the Minister will answer tomorrow, that hospital is a very old facility and it is not the kind of services that we like to be delivering to Batswana.

Ke a go leboga Mr Speaker, and thank you very much Honourable Members.

le priority number one in his RESET Agenda.


Ke a go leboga Tona gore dilo tse o ne wa di leba gore Batswana ba sirelediwe as a priority.

Botshelo bo tshwanetse go sirelediwa as a number priority jaaka o dirile.

Ke a go leboga le fa mathata a ne a nna jaana.

MR SPEAKER: Thank you Dr Matsheka.

Honourable Greeff.

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MR SPEAKER: Honourable Greeff.

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TERTIARY ASSISTANT MINISTER OF EDUCATION, RESEARCH, SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY (MR LESASO): Thank you Mr Speaker.
Mma ke go leboge letsatsi la gompieno go bo o mphile nako ya gore ke akgele mo pegong e re neng re e neelwa ke Mma Madi wa lefatshe la Botswana.

Le nna ke tsene mo tseleng ya go mo leboga go bo e nnile mme wa ntlha mo lefatsheng la Botswana go re tlhokomelela matlotlo a lefatshe le.

Ke ene a re kaelang ka fa re ka tlhabololang lefatshe le ka teng, le ka fa re ka dirisang madi a lefatshe le ka teng.

Ke re tshwara ka thata mme.


O dire se o se romilweng ke Batswana le rona jaaka re tlaabo re le fano le wena.

Re tlaa nna re ntse re go tshegeditse, o e tshware ka fa bogaleng.

Re bua jaana ka nako ya gompieno o le mo tirong e e bokete.
Re bona dingwaga tse pedi tse di fetileng o ne o lebagane le kgwetlho ya gore jaaka o ne o dirile plan ya gago ya dingwaga tse six ya National Development Plan (NDP) 11, e e neng ya kgorelediwa ke bolwetse jo re neng ra tshwanelwa ke go isa madi kwa re neng re sa ikaelela go a isa teng.

Go ne ga ama ditirelo le ditlhabololo tse o neng o di lebisitse Batswana gore ba ka tlhabologa jang.

Re a itse gore dilo tse di ne tsa ama tsa botsogo.


Re a bona gompieno go na le tlhaelo ka gore madi a le mantsi a ne a isiwa kwa dilong tsa COVID.

Madi a a neng a tshwanetse go oketsa ditiro mo lefatsheng la Botswana, a fudusiwa gore go sirelediwe matshelo a Batswana.

Batho ba le bantsi re a itse gore ba ne ba latlhegelwa ke matshelo ka bolwetse jwa COVID.

Ditiro le tsone tsa tsamaya.

Businesses tsa tswalwa.

Lefatshe la Botswana itsholelo ya lone ya ya kwa tlase.
Madi a rona mo lefatsheng le a tlhaela.

Dilo tse di ne di dirwa ke bolwetse jo bo neng jwa tsena mo lefatsheng le, re ne re sa bo ikemisetsa.

Re le lefatshe, re le Puso, ra tshwanelwa ke go sireletsa Batswana.

Re ne ra tsena mo keletsong ya ga Tautona gore Batswana ba sireletsege e O ne wa bona madi golo gongwe gore o tsweledise ditlhabololo tsa lefatshe le.

Ditlhabololo tse di ntseng di le teng mo lefatsheng le, o nne le madi a o ka kgonang gore o di baakanye (maintenance).
Dilo tse tsotlhe; infrastructure, maintenance, o sireletsa matshelo a Batswana, ke gone fa re ka bonang meamuso ya ditirelo tse di ka tshidisang Batswana mo lefatsheng la bone.

Ke ne ke eleditse gore o re fe pegonyana e nnyennyanenyana ka boleng jo bo neng jwa nna teng mo NDP 11 gore e kgonne eng in terms of go tlhabolola lefatshe le.

Dilo tse re di boneng ka madi a re ntseng re a dirisa mo dingwageng tse di fetileng tse four, before re kgorelediwa ke COVID, le fa e ntse e re kgoreletsa.
A go na le ditlhabololo tse di tsweletseng?

A di ne tsa tsenyetsa Batswana meamuso, tsa ba atumetsa ditirelo, tsa ba direla ditiro, tsa ba tlhabolola le mo go itireleng ditlhabololo kwa go bone?

Ke dilo tse o ka bong o ne wa re fa pego ka tsone gore re bone ba ba ntseng ba belaela gore ga go dirwe sepe, ba bone gore re tsamaya fa kae.

Ke tshwanetse gore gape ke tlhalose sengwe Mr Speaker, gore A1 e go buiwang ka yone e kana ga e ise go dirwa; it is work in progress.

E sale e simolola e tsweletse.


Ga ke itse gore batho fa ba iphaapanya le gore A1 ke gone e ka reng e a dirwa e ntse e sa bolo go dirwa.

This dual carriageway or this dual current development ya A1 e sale e simolola.

Gompieno tsaya Gaborone-Rasesa, ke dual carriageway mo A1; tsaya Gaborone-Boatle, ke dual carriageway mo A1.

These interchanges tse di dirwang is part of infrastructure e e dirwang e e tlhabololang (develop) A1.

Fa o tsaya Tonota-Francistown, ke A1, ke development.
The interchange e e dirwang kwa Francistown is part of the A1 jaanong re se ka ra nna o kare gongwe re buile golo gongwe re bo re re gongwe golo mo go ntse go sa dirwe.

Yes, go ntse go na le tlhaelo ya madi a ka nako ya teng a sa kgone gore go dirwe se se tlhokafalang gore se ka dirwa gompieno.

Ke a leboga gore Tona o bone madi a gompieno a ka kgonang go thusa go tsweledisa ditlhabololo tse di ntseng di tsweletse A1 e agiwa.

Re tshwanetse gore re amogele gore go ntse go tlhaela.
A1 tota as the main road that connects South Africa le economy ya lefatshe le from north to south, gongwe re ka bo re ne ra e tsibogela ka nako ele mme ga tlhalosiwa gore madi a ne a tlhaela.

Gompieno Tona ke yo o a bua 31 Hansard No 205Tuesday 15th February, 2022APPROPRIATION (2022/2023) BILL, 2022 (NO.

2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) gore re ya go dira sengwe.

O bua gore o ya go dira tsela ya go tswa kwa Rasesa go ya Artesia.
Ke ne ke kopa gore Tona a sekaseke gore mme o ka se ke a oketse from Artesia, a e atumetse kwa Dibete ka gore mo Dibete go na le a junction e e leng gore it will open up the road gore e kgone go tsaya batho ba ba tswelang ka fa bo Tswapong ba ya kwa Bobirwa gore ba fokotse pressure mo tseleng between Dibete and Palapye.

Fa o e butse e le kalo e goroga kwa Dibete e ka fokotsa traffic e e leng gore is congested between Artesia and Dibete.

A e sekaseke because it is only a 20 kilometre stretch.
Ke tsaya gore gongwe e ka bonelwa madi golo gongwe ya okediwa gore e goroge gone koo.

Mo go tse dingwe tse a di buileng ke a leboga gore those extensions di ka dirwa bit by bit mme eventually a e nne something se re tshwanetseng gore re se itlhaganelele.
Ke dumalana le ba ba buang gore a re sekasekeng gore re bone gore ditsela tse di neelwa bana ba rona, batho ba rona mo lefatsheng la Botswana ba ba setseng ba ithutetse go dira ditiro tse le ba ba tlaa simololang ba thuthuga ba bo ba ka kgona go ithutela go dira ditiro tse tsa go aga ditsela gore re kgone go tsenya meamuso ya lefatshe le mo diatleng tsa bana ba rona mo lefatsheng la Botswana.

Ke gatelela gore go nne teng.


Tse dingwe tse di teng ke tsa projects tsa PPP tse Tona a di begileng gore di tlaa nna teng mo lefatsheng la Botswana.

Ke re le tsone go na le Batswana ba ba nang le meamuso le itsholelo ya gore ba ka kgona to tender for these projects gore ba di dire ka madi a bone ba kgone gore ba thusane le Goromente gore a tlhabolole lefatshe le or partner with some international organisations.
A re ba feng tshono ba tsenye letsogo mo tlhabololo e ya PPP ya infrastructure e re e solofetseng mo lefatsheng la Botswana jaaka ditsela, solar power projects le tse di teng le tse o di begileng tse di tlaa tlang.
Le tsone tsa technology jaaka re le mo ministry wa technology, re eletsa gore Batswana ba tsenye letsogo mo these technical projects and digitalisation gore ba nne part of this development ya lefatshe la Botswana gore re direle Batswana ditiro, re kgone to move our economy into a knowledge-based economy ka technology e re ka e dirisang mo lefatsheng le.
Ke tshwanetse go bega gore ditlhabololo tse jaaka dirwa kana infrastructure e e fa Batswana access to services kana transit of the goods and services tse re di tlhokang from other countries to transit through our country.

Go na le ditiro tse di diragalang tse di dirwang ke projects tse.

It is also an opportunity for economic growth e re tshwanetseng go bua ka yone gore as a country as we develop, mafatshe a le mantsi a tlaa kgona gore a fete mo lefatsheng la Botswana and benefit mo go lone.
Gape ke tshwanetse go bua ka maintenance.

Jaaka o buile Tona pegong ya gago, you want to privatise maintenance mo lefatsheng, I think it is high time gore re simolole go sekegela madi a re a tsentseng mo lefatsheng le a a kanakana a go aga dilo tse di kanakana jaaka ditsela, dipatela tse di turang mo go kanakana tse di sa tlhokomelweng sentle.

Go na le Batswana ba ba rutetsweng ditiro tse ba ba ka kgonang to maintain projects tse re di ba neela as contract maintenance facility management.
Ba tshwanetse go fiwa tshono eo gore ba kgone gore ba dire ditiro tse.

Gompieno jaana fa o ka tsaya sekole se tshwana le Shoshong Senior Secondary School, o ka tsaya a kompone o bo o re re bitsa bana ba Shoshong ba ba nang le dithuto tsa bo plumbing, building, electrical le mechanical gore ba kgone to maintain sekole seo over a period as a contract, sekole se bo se sa tlhole se nna le mathata ape.
You can even reduce the cost and burden e e leng gore e teng mo go bo Principals ba go tlholang go ntse gotwe ba baakanya kwa le kwa; ba itebaganye le thuto mme konteraka e e amanang le go baakanya sekole se e se baakanye.

Fa e sa se baakanye, go batliwe e nngwe re kgone gore re direle Batswana.

Bana ba Shoshong ba teng kwa ba ba rutetsweng dilo tse, ba ka di dira mme ba ntse fela.

Ke raya gore jaaka o bua, ke dumalana le wena gore dilo tse di ka thusa gore di tlhabolole lefatshe la Botswana.
Ke a itumela Tona gore wa re o batla go tlhabolola social programmes tse di teng mo lefatsheng la Botswana o bo o okeletsa batlhoki ba ba kanakakana, o thuse banalebogole le go okeletsa batsadi ba rona se se ntseng se tlhaela.

Re ntse re bua gore re tlaa leka fa jaaka economy e ntse e nna botoka re kgone gore re ba latlhelele sengwenyana.

Jaaka o bona a latlheletse, madi ao a o a tsentseng gompieno a ya go ba thusa Tona gore ba tlhabologe ba kgone go ithekela se ba ntseng ba batla gore ba ka se ithekela.
Ke galaletsa letseno le o le tsentseng mo matshelong a bone gompieno Tona.

Ke bue ka kgang ya investment in agriculture e o neng o bua ka yone ya productive clusters.

Shoshong is one of the areas tse di nang le clusters.

Ke ne ke re ke bue le Minister wa Agriculture gore a ko a atumele cluster ele ya Shoshong e kgone go simolola go bereka ka gore ke bona e sale jaaka e agelelwa go dirisiwa madi a a kanakana mo go yone mme e santse e eme ka go santse go na ke dikgotlhang tse di teng.
A ko le ba atumeleng le kgone go re thusa re kgone go ntsha se re ka se jesang Batswana ka sone mo kgaolong ya rona kwa Shoshong.

32 Hansard No 205Tuesday 15th February, 2022APPROPRIATION (2022/2023) BILL, 2022 (NO.

2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) Ke tshwanetse go bua ka kgang ya provision ya metsi, water resources and sanitation services mo lefatsheng la Botswana.

Re akgola Goromente o thata, Batswana ba na le metsi.

Metsi a teng a a mo lefatsheng gongwe le gongwe.


Nna jaaka ke ntse fa gompieno, ke mongwe batho ba ba neng ba filwe tshono fa ke santse ke bereka mo ga Goromente gore lefatshe ke le ga le na metsi mo metseng e yotlhe e le kana, close to 500 gore tsenya metsi mo lefatsheng le mme Goromente o ne a tsenya metsi mo metseng e yotlhe.
Se kwa bofelong se neng sa tlhaela e ne ya nna availability in terms of volumes or quantity ya metsi mme go ne ga agiwa matamo e le gore ke nngwe ya ditlhabololo tse di dirilweng mo lefatsheng le gore metsi a goroge mo bathong.

Go ntse go tsweletse, metsi a a goroga a tswa kwa matamong le ka fa tlase ga lefatshe, a a goroga kwa bathong.
Se se tshwanetseng gore se dirwe gompieno ke gore let us move… ke a bona gore re setse re goroga mo go boneng gore supply e nna sufficient, se se teng ke conservation jaanong.

A re lebeleleng go bona gore go dutla ga metsi a a teng mo go kanakana mo lefatsheng a a thibiwe.

Those are the leakages that affect supply ya metsi mo lefatsheng la Botswana.

A a thibiwe kwa a dutlang teng kwa bo Kanye le Molepolole.
Tona, o bue le molekane wa gago re bone gore madi a a kgone go tsena mo dipateng tsa Water Utilities gore e kgone gore e tswelele e thuse Batswana ka metsi a a lekaneng.

Ke ne ke batla go bua ka tsone tseo tse ke neng ke akgela mo go tsone tse e leng gore o di buile Tona.

Di dintsi, ba bangwe ba setse ba di buile mme ke batla go bua ka Shoshong.
Ke batla go bua ka constituency ya Shoshong gore go na le ka fa batho ba kgaolo ya me ba ba nthomileng ba Ke na le ditsholofelo tse ke di solofeditsweng ke Matona, ke di solofetswa ke ba ke ntseng ke ba kopa, le Water Utilities Corporation (WUC), ke ba raya ke re, kana kwa Dibete le Poloka ba tlhoka metsi.

Ke kopa gore tsholofelo e ke e neetsweng ya gore go tlaa nna le didiba tse di tlaa tsayang kwa the old ostrich farm, tse di tlaa gokelwang kwa Dibete as a short-term measure, a go diragale.
Tona wa metsi a go diragale mongwame, ke kope fela jaaka le kile la bua gore le ka nthusa gore batho ba Dibete ba bone metsi.

Le kwa Dibete ka kgang ya botsogo gore, clinic e e agiwang kwa a e fele, re kgone go bona batho ba kwa ba kgona go simolola go thusa batho.
Ke kopile gore clinic eo e tsenyetswe maternity, e kgone go thusa batho ba Artesia, Dibete, Poloka, bo Mokgenene, le bone ba ba gaufi le kgaolo e. Gape Dibete e mo A1 road, gore e kgone go thusa, e baakanngwe, e fele ka bonako, gore fa go ka nna le emergency ya mofuta ope e kgone gore e bo e nna a centre e e kgonang go thusa batho ba ba ka bong ba feta mo kgaolong eo.

Sa bobedi ke re, batho ba Poloka ba tlhoka motlakase.
Minister wa motlakase, Rre Moagi, ke re kgang eo o ntsholofeditse mongwame gore motlakase o tlaa ya kwa Poloka le Mokgenene.

Ke kopa, tota ke kopela gore kgang e e sale e begwa gore o tlaa goroga.

Ke re a motlakase o o goroge, ke a itse gore o ntsholofeditse wa re dibekenyana.

Ke di solofetse dibeke tseo gore o tlaa tsamaya le nna o a go bega jaanong gore motlakase ke o o a goroga kwa Poloka.

Ke yone metse fela e mebedi mo kgaolong ya me e e senang motlakase.
Ke ne ke kopa gore a ko o thuse gone foo gore motlakase o goroge.

Batho ba Kodibeleng, Ikongwe le ba Mosolotshane ba nwa metsi a ke setseng ke buile ka one gore a ba dira meno mahibidu.

Ke le kope gore le ba sekegele gore go nne le treatment, gore metsi a goroge kwa go bone a a lekaneng, a a ka kgonang gore a ba tokafatse, ka gore le rona re batla go bona bommabontle ba tswa kwa Mokgenene, Kodibeleng le Mosolotshane.

Bommabontle ba kgona to smile, ba sa kgone gore ba iphitlhe meno a jelwe ke fluoride.
A re ba thuseng batho bagaetsho.

Maloba le ne le re isitse kwa Mahalapye le ile go re supegetsa gore le okeditse treatment plant ya Mahalapye to treat metsi gore a oketsege, a kgone to supply Shoshong, Mahalapye le dikgaolo tsele tsa Tswapong.

Re re le fa re leboga, re itumela, re sena lefufa jaaka ke utlwa Mopalamente wa Sefhare a ne a fufagala gore Shoshong o a tlhabologa, re a mo e itumelela gore metsi a a goroga kwa Tswapong.
Re go lebogise Dr Honourable Gobotswang gore metsi a a goroga kwa Tswapong, a tswa kwa Mahalapye kwa North-South Carrier.

Re ya go itumelela gore ditsela di gorogile koo, di tswa kwa Dibete di ya go goroga kwa Tswapong.

Re a go itumelela gore…(inaudible)…di tsamaya, gore tsela e e neng e tswa kwa Mahalapye e baakantswe e e yang kwa Machaneng.

Ga re go fufagelele.

Jaanong fa batho ba Shoshong ba tlhabololwa o kare o a fufagala, ga ke itse gore go dirwa ke eng.
Gape sepatela se se kabong se ile kwa Shoshong se isitswe kwa Sefhare, o tshwanetse dilo tse o di gakologelwe.

Gompieno dilo tse tsotlhe, ditlhabololo di ya kwa kgaolong ya gago, mme fela fa go dirwa ditselanyana tsa pavings kwa Shoshong o a fufagala, ga ke itse gore gatwe go diragala eng.

Jaanong ke ne ke re dilo tse re di ele tlhoko gore ditlhabologo tse di diriwang kwa Shoshong ... 33 Hansard No 205Tuesday 15th February, 2022APPROPRIATION (2022/2023) BILL, 2022 (NO.
2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) DR GOBOTSWANG: Procedure Mr Speaker.

Ke ne ke re Honourable Lesaso a re sepatela se se kwa Sefhare se tserwe kwa Shoshong.

Ga ke itse gore kgang e o e tsaya kae?

Ke re a ntshe bosupi fa e le gore o na najo, fa a sena najo a tswe mo kgannye eo.

Ke a leboga.

MR SPEAKER: ...(Laughter!)...

Dr, Ke dikgang tsa lona koo, our procedure has not been violated.

MR LESASO: Ee rra, ga ke itse...(Laughter!

)...mma ke tswelele Mr Speaker.


Shoshong tota… mma ke leboge Puso gape gore, re ne ra nna le se se neng sa re thusa, re ne ra bona ditsela being paved kwa Shoshong.

Ke leboge Tona wa Local Government gore ba ne ba re fa madi a re neng ra kgona gore re tlhabolole ditsela tsa Shoshong.
E le gore ke nngwe ya dikopo tse re neng ra di dira gore, re tsamaya fela mo ditseleng tse di lerole, di epegile, bo taxi ga ba kgone go goroga mo dikgaolwaneng tse di rileng, go isa bagodi ba rona ba e leng gore fa ba tswa go tsaya madi a tandabala ga ba kgone go ya kwa dishopong le gae.

Mme gompieno go na le fa go kgonang go tsamaega teng.
Re na le tsholofelo ya gore tota re tshwanetse go tsenyetswa motlakase mo ditseleng tsa rona, gore le bana ba kgone go ya dikoleng bosigo ba e go ithuta, ba kgone go bona, le batsadi ba kgone go tsamaya fela ka tshosologo ba se mo lefifing.

Jaaka o itse gore kgaolo ya Shoshong e arametswe ke dithaba tse di dirang motse ole lefifi bosigo.

Mo gongwe mo ke go kopileng ke gore, kana motse wa Shoshong o tshwana jaaka nkgwana, metsi a a tswang kwa dithabeng kwa a ralala motse, jaanong a epa dinoka tse.
Re ne re kopile gore re fiwe a proper storm-water drainage, mo e leng gore tota a proper infrastructure e e leng gore…village infrastructure ga e a kgonega, re ne ra fiwa paving ya ditsela.

Storm-water drainage a e tle Rre Autlwetse, monngame, ke a kopa gore o re sekegele tsebe, re mo selelong.

Ga se kwa Shoshong fela, le kwa Kalamare metsi a a tswang kwa dithabeng a tsenelela bana mo classrooms.
Ke setse ke go isitse koo, le bomonnao ba bone gore go thata golo kwa Kalamare le kwa Shoshong gore go tsamaege fa dipula di na jaana.

Metsi a tsena mo... ditsela tse ka gore di ne di tsholetsegile, metsi a boela mo dijarateng, a kganela batho go tswa mo malwapeng fa dipula di nele, a senyetsa batho.

Ke kopa gore storm-water drainage e dirwe.

Mo gongwe ke yone sewerage system ya Shoshong e e setseng e le kgologolo.
E le yone kopo e ke neng ka solofediwa gore go tlaa tsenngwa an upgrade ya sewerage system ya Shoshong gore e nne e e siameng, gore batho ba se ka ba nna le kgotlelesego le menko e e nkgang gaufi le dijarata tsa bone, ka gore go nna le blockages tse dintsi.
Ke boela gape mo go ya metsi ke re, fa treatment plant ya Mahalapye e dirwa jaana e oketsa metsi, e ne e le keletso le kopo ya me gore a metsi a gongwe fa a ne a ka okediwa, a ba a tsena mo Shoshong and be extended to bo Kodibeleng, Ikongwe, Mosolotshane le Moralane and then expand reticulations gore le kgone to bill batho ba.

Le nne le poelo ya investment e le e dirang mo kgaolong eo.

Ke yone kopo.
Ke yone kopo.

Kgaolo ya rona ke yone e e tlaabong e sa kgone go akola metsi a a monate a a tswang kwa Mahalapye ka boyone ka bophara.

Ke re mme re sekegeleng, le re utlweng gore re mo lenyoreng, re nwa metsi a a nang le fluoride.

Kana fluoride e dira batho ba rona gore meno a ruse.

Jaanong le ba itsa…ba tloga ba hitiwa ke go bonwa ke makolwane a mantle.

MR LESEDI: On a point of clarification neighbour.

Mr Speaker, ke a leboga.


Ke re gongwe Assistant Minister ke utlwisise fa sentle gore, a o ne o supa gore ba Sefhare ba nwa mo plant ya Mahalapye?

Ke utlwisise gore a o a re e setse e le in operation, e agilwe mo e setseng e bile e le gore it is operating motlotlegi?

Ke raya kutlwisiso fela.

Ke a leboga.

MR LESASO: Thank you Honourable.

Se se diragalang Honourable Lesedi ke gore, project is ongoing ya go isa metsi kwa Tswapong otlhe kwa go Dr Gobotswang.
Ga go na motse ope o o ka sekeng o tsenngwe metsi gone kwa.

A a monate, a a tswang mo treatment plant ya Mahalapye.

Jaanong le nna ke ne ke re metsi a a ko a goroge mo kgaolong ya me, e gaufi thata le Tswapong, mme nna ke isitswe kwa kgakala.

Ka re le nna ke ipuelele gore re gaufinyana fale ba re gopole, kwa Shoshong.

Le fa a goroga go na le Mosolotshane, Kodibeleng, le Ikongwe fale.

Ba re tsenyetse metsi ao, re lese go nwa a a re rusisang meno.

Ke yone kgang e ke neng ke batla go e bua.


Re na le tlhaelo gape ya clinics tse e leng gore e ne e le keletso gore metse e e tshwanang le bo Mosolotshane le Kalamare e godile, bodiredi bo a sokola.

Ga gona clinics tse di lekaneng go ka thusetsa batho mo teng.

Ke nngwe ya dilo tse e leng gore fa go tobaganngwa madi fa gompieno, le re gopole ka fa botsogong, mo metsing le ka fa ditseleng.
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2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) ka yone ya Dibete-Otse.

Tsela e Mr Speaker, ke dumela gore e kopanya dikgaolo tse di botlhokwa mo economy ya Botswana.

Sandveld Farms le Tuli Block, ke tsela e e ka thusang fa e le gore e ka dirwa ya tsenngwa sekontere, e tswa mo Dibete, Poloka le Mokgenene e ya go goroga kwa Otse.
E botlhokwa thata, e ka tlhabolola tirisanyo ya temothuo to transport leruo.

Re ka simolola go bona go na le batho ba ba itshetsang ka taxis ba ba tswang kwa bo Poloka ba isa batho kwa bo Dibete.

Re ka simolola le go bona agriculture mo dikgaolong tsone tseo.

Gompieno re na le letswai fa Poloka mo e leng gore batho ba teng ba kgona gore ba le dirise, ba le epe, ba le cut, ba le ise fa e leng gore le ka rekiswa teng mo kgaolong.
Le ka botsogo fela go ka nna motlhofo gore batho ba isiwe dipatela fa Mochudi kana kwa Mahalapye fa e le gore tsela e e siame sentle.

Tsela e tota ke a e kopela, ka gore ke a itse gore kwa NDP 11 ga e yo, e nne selo se ke se kopelang ruri kwa NDP 12, e sekasekiwe thata gore e nne nngwe ya priorities.

Le gone e nne tsela e e ka lebiwang e ka tsenya meamuso mo lefatsheng la Botswana.

Sa bofelo ke sepatela sa Shoshong Mr Speaker.


Shoshong ke one motse o ruri o ntseng fela mme o lebagane le dikgwetlho tsa metse fela e le mentsintsi e batho ba teng botlhe ba tlhokang thuso ya tlhabololo ya botsogo.

Ke a itse gore go na le maiteko a a dirilweng, maloba le ne la isa ambulances Minister of Health kwa Shoshong le kwa Otse, ke a go leboga mme ga go ise go lekane, o santse o ka tokafatsa go feta fa.

Ka one mafoko a a kalo Mr Speaker, Budget ke a e amogela Mr Speaker.
Ke go rotloetse Minister gore o tshware ka thata, o nne o oketse fa o ka oketsang teng ka gore o tshwere bokete, COVID-19 e go eme kwa pele.

COVID-19 e go iditse gore o dire tiro jaaka o ne o ka e dira, e e leng gore e ne e ka thusa Batswana mme re amogela gore o sireleditse matshelo a Batswana.

Batswana nkabo ba fedile fa o ne o sa ema ka dinao wa ntshetsa batho ba health madi.
Gompieno jaana ke re ke rotloetse Batswana gore kana go na le melemo e teng, e tshwanetse gore e dirisiwe, ga e a tshwanela gore e senyege batho ba Modimo.

Go na le boosters tse le kopiwang gore le ye go di tsaya le le Batswana to boost gore le se ka la tla la tsenwa ke ...(Inaudible)… mariga a etla.

Mariga fa a le fitlhela le sena this booster vaccine, a ya go le hekeetsa ka bolwetse.
Jaanong ke kope le bone ba botsogo gore tsamayang le ye go tsaya mokento o. Mekento gatwe e feta one million e teng mme gatwe ka bo April, bo May e tlaabo e senyega.

Le a itse gore go bokete gore re ye go reka mekento e, re e batle gape kwa mafatsheng a sele ka gore mongwe le mongwe jaaka go ntse gompieno ba a ipeela ka gore re na le mathata a... HONOURABLE MEMBER: Elucidation Lesaso.

MR LESASO: Go ahead.

MR MOATLHODI: Elucidation.


Ke a go leboga Morena wa me Motlotlegi Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo ta Palamente.

Ke go lebogisa mo go tsotlhe tse o di neetseng nnake.

Saso, ke a go lebogisa Mothusa Tona.

Ka re o sego, o fiwa tseo tsotlhe nna ke tingwa le sone setilo fela se go nniwang mo go sone gore batho ba somolwe meno.

O nthapedise rra kwa go Mmaetsho Tona, gongwe o ka re thusa.

Thank you very much Saso, thank you Mr Speaker.


HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… MR LESASO: Mma ke kope jaana ke re kwa bofelelong, ke ikuele mo go bagaetsho ba ke neng ke tswa kwa go bone gore tota ke dule ka kwa go lona e se ka lepe la gore tota go rileng.

Ke ile kwa ke leng teng.

Go na le ba ba ileng kwa go lona, a re amogeleng fela gore go na le nako ya go kopana le ya go kgaogana.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Lebaka la go tsamaya ke eng?

O ne o tsamaela eng?


MR LESASO: Jaanong ke kope gore wena Honourable Boko, e nne e re fa ke bua o didimala.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Nnyaa, ke batla lebaka fela nkgonne.

MR LESASO: O nne fela o didimala.

Mabaka a ga Reatile go ya kwa go wena e ne e le a eng?

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ka re wena.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: O boa leng, rona re batla go itse gore o boa leng?

HONOURABLE MEMBER: O boa leng?

MR LESASO: Reetsa, a ko le lese go nkgoreletsa ke a fetsa golo fa.
Ke ne ke re ke le laele sentle officially letsatsi leno.

Fa e le gore go na le ba ba santseng ba huduegile dipelo, ba tlaa intshwarela, golo kwa tota ke ile e le gore tota tota ke bona gore go na le bodulo jo bo siameng, jo e leng gore ke ka tla go nna sentle teng.

Le tlaa intshwarela gore ke le tlogetse, le utlwile botlhoko.

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2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) HONOURABLE MEMBER: O boa leng?
HONOURABLE MEMBER: Batho ba Shoshong o ba boleletse mme?

MR SPEAKER: Thank you Honourable Member.

Honourable Mmolotsi.

LEADER OF THE MINORITY (MR MMOLOTSI): Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

Mr Speaker, I rise to perform this solemn responsibility for and on behalf of the people of Botswana and in particular, for the people of Francistown South.

I do so as well Mr Speaker, on behalf of the movement that I belong to; the Alliance for Progressives (AP).
Mr Speaker, first and foremost, allow me to congratulate all schools in my constituency for continuously and consistently working hard towards achieving the best results.

Mokaleng Primary School Mr Speaker, came first in the North East Region and this is a splendid fit worth celebrating.

Montsamaisa and Goldmine Junior Secondary Schools came third and fifth respectively in the North East Region.
Goldmine Mr Speaker, recorded a significant improvement from last year and teachers and stakeholders are well-deserving of a great commendation.

Thanks to the School Heads and teachers who continue to do their best and give their all under very trying circumstances of shortage of materials, lack of accommodation and risky environment brought about by unruly behaviour displayed by the students.

Mr Speaker, I had hoped that this Budget will talk to the issue of housing for our people.
It is sad that while the people of Francistown and Botswana in general, were expecting to be told that they will now be allowed to buy the old pool houses they have been staying in for years, they are instead told that rentals will go up by P600.

This is not withstanding Mr Speaker, the fact that salaries have remained stagnant for a while.
While people were expecting to be told that they can now buy Botswana Housing Corporation (BHC) flats, they are instead told that BHC has further increased rentals and they will from April, have to dig deep into their pockets to pay.

This cannot be right Mr Speaker, under the current economic situations.

Mr Speaker, this Government should start taking the health of Batswana seriously.
For months now, Nyangabwe Hospital and Francistown clinics have experienced acute shortage of essential drugs like diabetes and hypertension tablets.

This Mr Speaker, has led to some people migrating to new brands which are new in their systems and exacerbating their health conditions.

There is an urgent need for Government to work hard to ameliorate this situation.

It is unfortunate that this budget does not seem to be speaking to the calamitous situation we find ourselves in.
The people of Francistown have been saddened and angered by the removal of the new Francistown hospital from the plan because Nyangabgwe is forever full to capacity.

We need an explanation as to why the hospital which was due to be constructed was remove from the plan without any consultation.

Mr Speaker, our people are dying of poverty and hunger due to lack of or no employment opportunities in Francistown.
Most of our people depended on the mines which closed years ago leaving them in a very desperate situation.

Social programmes do not cover these people because they are said to be strong and able to work and support their families yet there are no jobs in town to sustain them.

This budget Mr Speaker, is not talking to this unbearable situation of joblessness.
Ipelegeng is the only source of jobs or source of employment, and almost every person who is not working in Francistown look up to Ipelegeng for a job, and this cannot be right Mr Speaker, given the amount of money that is being paid to Ipelegeng employees.

Mr Speaker, an increase of P100 for our elderly, War Veterans and Village Development Committees (VDCs) is a disappointment to the say the least because their buying power has been eroded by the tough economic situation they find themselves in.
I personally cannot ululate over the P100 pay increase because the Government is scratching where it is not itching.

Ward Development Committee (WDC)s wanted to be paid wages owing to the challenges of their work and the responsibilities they hold.

I wish to ask very kindly that the Minister should consider paying WDCs some wage which will be determined by what the budget can allow.

Mr Speaker, provision of shelter to citizens should be every Government’s priority.
People are not allocated plots on time and their hopes of ever owning land are dwindling every time the Budget Speech is read.

Mr Speaker, I am frustrated by the lack of will on the part of the BDP led Government as far as transforming the economy is concerned.

The cost of living is unbearable for many of our people.

This is fuelled by 36 Hansard No 205Tuesday 15th February, 2022APPROPRIATION (2022/2023) BILL, 2022 (NO.
2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) the incompetence of this Government and shifting the failure and cost of their policies, as well as results of unmitigated corruption to Batswana through increasing taxes, fuel prices, Value Added Tax (VAT), electricity tariffs and so on and so forth.

We have the working poor in Botswana Mr Speaker.

Even though they work, their salaries are not able to cover even the basics such as rent, groceries and transport.
So, we cannot continue to tax Batswana knowing very well that salaries have not been increased for a while, and knowing very well that Botswana as a country is not paying exorbitant salaries.

Unemployment rate is at more than 25 per cent, and these are conservative figures Mr Speaker.

If we broaden the definition to include discourage jobseekers, unemployment rate is at over 30 per cent.
If we remove Ipelegeng figures, it goes to over 40 per cent, and at the Alliance for Progressives (AP) we find it hard to consider Ipelegeng as something serious that the Government should pride itself with and we believe that Ipelegeng must be improved and the salaries must also be increased.

Mr Speaker, the E-consult Economic Review of 2021 estimates that 67 132 individuals lost their jobs or businesses due to the COVID-19 pandemic.
This is a crisis, and this budget Mr Speaker, unfortunately does not acknowledge or even provide answers to this calamity.

This is a national security threat.

I have said it before, and I will say it again today, that the youth of this country will one day rise against the Government if they continue to walk the streets jobless and without anybody taking cognisance of the troubles they go through.

Mr Speaker, we need to break with the old ways and embrace the new.
Our country needs a new radical economic model.

It cannot be business as usual.

The Minister’s budget fails to meet this necessity.

The opportunity to rethink the old economic model of an economy overly reliant on natural resources especially diamond is lost, Mr Speaker.

There is a continued culture of saying things without meaning to do anything about them, evidenced by lack of clear plans, timelines, targets and outcomes to achieve them.
True to the character of people who do not know what they are doing Mr Speaker.

The Minister in Paragraph 13 of her speech says she recognises that our economy needs deep structural reforms to achieve growth and transformation, and in the following paragraph, she goes on to say that NDP has failed due to continued lack of structural reforms.

This is consistent with this Government’s posture on everything talking as bystanders and not the people in charge.
Minister Serame, you have the power to institute this deep structural changes and structural reforms that you are talking about.

Why are you not using those powers to effect that which can benefit the country?

Here is the Minister again in Paragraph 24 Mr Speaker, who recognises that access to serviced land plays a critical role in development, and continues to give zero resources for land servicing.
Our people do not have land to turn into homes Mr Speaker, they do not have land to pursue their economic interests.

Plot allocation waiting period as of now runs to an average of 23 years, and the waiting list for plot allocation is at over half a million as we speak Mr speaker.

This budget is silent on how this is going to be resolved.

The Minister speaks of weakness in policy and project implementation and adds that development manager approach.

What a waste of time and public resources.


The Minister talks about the elephant in the BDP room and chastise public servants who venture into businesses.

Maybe the Minister had forgotten that the President who is the number one public servant is now a highflying entrepreneur with many business ventures since assuming Office.

The Minister, led by the Vice President (VP), were the forefront of defending the President’s undue influence and insatiable appetite for getting rich.
Mr Speaker, this we must deal with, otherwise we will continue to experience problems that are of financial nature.

Mr Speaker, the country has history of weak project implementation.

This is mostly because there is no strategic clarity in Government Development Agenda, and there is no coordination at all intra and inter Government departments.
For instance, there are numerous bodies with overlapping mandates that are not coordinated and they strive to outshine one another charged with implementation of Government projects.

We have the Performance Improvement Coordinator (PIC) Force, National Transformation Strategy, National Strategic Office, Vision 2036 Council, Government Implementation and Coordination Office, Ministry of Finance, Development and Budget.

What we need is one central coordinating body and a strong implementation engine.
We have suggested many times before that we should establish a delivery unit.

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2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) Corruption Mr Speaker, fighting corruption requires us to have strong institutions and a state that respects the law.

The fact of the matter is agencies charged with fighting corruption are weak.

They lack independence and are insufficiently resourced to fight corruption.
We have now seen a growing trend where the DIS is used to undermine Government or other institutions.

The DIS’s interference has gone as far as interfering in judicial processes through fabricating evidence and warrants.

This is the rot we are in and this is the rot, we first need to clean, if we are to go anywhere as a country.
A few days ago, there was a letter in circulation Mr Speaker, that indicated more than P100 million that was paid to a Chinese contractor because DIS had denied them the opportunity to be given that contract and as a result, they went to court where they were awarded such kind of money now without having done any job.

This Mr Speaker, cannot be allowed to continue.


The Minister speaks of unsustainable fiscal position of the country in paragraph 58, she forgets to mention that it is her administration’s decisions and corrupt ways that got us here.

The creation of Botswana National Public Health Institute, shows just how directionless this Government is.
In the preceding paragraph which is paragraph 38, the Minister talks about State-Owned Enterprises (SOEs) rationalisation which will include closing or merging SOEs with overlapping mandates.

Mr Speaker, the Botswana Vaccine Institute is rightly placed to be transformed into a national public health institute.

They already have the requisite institutional knowledge and personnel.
They are well established with a reputation of delivery of many groundbreaking discoveries and research in the animal health sector.

We strongly advise that instead of creating yet another SOE, the mandate of the Botswana Vaccine Institute be expanded to become a centre for disease control.

We lost the opportunity to move in with the needed agility to produce vaccines for the world through the Botswana Vaccine Institute.
For how long Mr Speaker, are we going to remain beggars when we have things that we can do for ourselves?

The proposed P3 billion for maintenance of public infrastructure is a drop in the ocean, insignificant, when one considers the state of our dilapidated classrooms, hospitals and worn out road network.

I must point out Mr Speaker, that what we need is not patching of potholes here and there and maintenance of classrooms as the Minister suggests.
We need to embark on an ambitious economic infrastructure quest to connect and make movement of people and goods in the Southern African Development Community (SADC) region seamless.

We must reconfigure public transport system to manage traffic congestion, for example having a passenger tramp from Phakalane to Game City and from Tlokweng to Metsimotlhabe.
We must ensure that an average Motswana has access to high speed internet by building local area data centres and improving international connectivity, thus enabling e-commerce and readying the country for leading the digitisation race.

The economy needs to grow at 6 per cent for a sustained period for Botswana to reach high income status.

It is quite evident that Vision 2036 will not be realised.
surrounding Mr Speaker, we reiterate our displeasure with the secrecy the Botswana Government agreement with De Beers.

We have every reason to believe that we are getting the raw end of the deal.

To be blunt Mr Speaker, De Beers is stealing from Batswana.

Botswana’s diversification crusade would be incomplete without Botswana being a significant player in the entire diamond value chain.

Mr Speaker, we have called for the establishment of the budget office.
This office is crucial for development planning of any country.

It is quite absurd that Parliament in its five decade long existence has never proposed a counter budget to what the Minister is presenting, and possibly that is where the problem is and possibly that is where we are messing it up because we look forward to a day when the Minister would be returned with her budget because Parliament has been able to produce an effective counter budget.
Mr Speaker, last year Honourable Matsheka was standing right where you were Honourable Serame, and he said Government is going to rationalise SOEs.

You are still saying the same thing today.

The overlapping mandates of SOEs cannot be the only reason for merging and closing some.

It is also quite clear that to the BDP this is a cost cutting measure and as far as we are concerned, if that is the thinking, it is tragedy Mr Speaker.
Mr Speaker, we could use our SOEs, the commercial ones for serious economic gain.

We need to nurture some of them for transforming into multinational companies.

With the right strategy in place, this could be achieved.

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2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) What trends should be driving state ownership in the country?

What should be the regional perspective?


How well are the SOEs using their influence in the local economy or industry to create public value and deliver societal outcomes?

Which objectives are currently guiding the ownership and management of SOEs in the country?

These are some of the questions that should inform our rationalisation strategy, not cost cutting measures.
Successful governments pick winners in the economy Mr Speaker, incubating competitive domestic companies through sector-wide support for infant industries including low cost loans, preferential exchange rates, low tax rates and research and development subsidies.

This is what we should do with our SOEs.

Mr Speaker, time has come for the Government to stop SOE monopolies and liberalise the market for competitiveness.
Why can we not allow private players in the water, electricity sector and meat sectors and only regulate them?

We need to come to terms with the fact that the private sector has grown and developed, assisted by technology which has made investment in some of these sectors, very reasonable and affordable.

It made sense at independence to have monopolies because Government had invested a lot in establishment of those SOEs and needed to recover while at the same time giving affordable service to citizens.
The private sector then was very poor and could not invest in such high cost ventures.

The Government should hasten to establish sector funds to prepare for funding of projects under these different sectors.

Talking about the Public Private Partnership (PPP), Mr Speaker, PPP is not new, it has been in every Budget Speech since 2009 with nothing to show for it.

We would not be able to turn around without continuous improvement, this means research and development.
We were mocked years ago, when we talked of research and development, now the BDP mentions it to look good.

The Minister says nothing about it in her speech, we should have an organisation dedicated to this.

Botswana Innovation Hub’s purpose and vision needs to be refocused to become; (a) Small and Medium Sized Enterprises (SMMEs) support base.

(b) Pressure cooker for companies to scale fast, that is through accelerator and incubator programmes.
(c) Some type of a Special Economic Zone (d) Court global partners, for example Alibaba to support our e-commerce quest, Microsoft, to develop digital ecosystem and move beyond Apps development.

Vietnam and other countries focus on creating vibrant start up and innovation hubs through accelerator and incubator programmes.

Mr Speaker, if we are to transform this country and set a new economic agenda, we need deliberate Government action, talk needs to match actions.
We have offered times without number that given the conditions of our country, what is needed to stimulate sustained economic growth, is to attract multinational companies to set up here.

Evidently, the BDP Government is unable to do this.

Mr Speaker, the role played by large firms in propelling growth cannot be underestimated, and can never be under stated.
Large firms indirectly stimulates creation, growth and productivity of small and medium size enterprises in their supply chains, and in turn depend on these SMMEs to provide alternative input for their ecosystem.

This should be Botswana’s strategy.

SMMEs play an indispensable role in developing countries where they are often the main source of job creation.
They account for about 90 per cent of labour in Indonesia and South Korea, and around 70 per cent of labour in Malaysia, Mexico, Singapore and Turkey.

Creating global companies Mr Speaker, has already become a regular feature of the small economies of Ireland, Finland, Singapore, Sweden and Taiwan, and has enabled them to maintain high growth and high standard of living for their citizens.

Mr Speaker, I want to share with the Minister four case studies from the experience of four successful small nations.
There are some important policy lessons, which Botswana can adopt to improve its level of its competitiveness and to enhance its economic achievement.

(1) Estonia; Estonia has focus on telecommunications infrastructure and manufacturing sector.

Both sectors providing economic growth and allowing Estonia to free ride on the innovation and high tech investments.

The result has been Estonia has benefited from becoming a key player in the Nordic economy as well as the European economy.
The lesson is regional integration.

Our future as a small landlocked country depends on our regional integration.

Our future as a small landlocked country depend on our regional integration.

I am 39 Hansard No 205Tuesday 15th February, 2022APPROPRIATION (2022/2023) BILL, 2022 (NO.

2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) repeating this Mr Speaker because, it will also be very important for us to look at our international relations.
There are zero regional infrastructure projects mentioned in the speech.

I must add as well that Estonia’s public sector is notable for its transparency, lack of corruption and efficient provision of public services, and has been a leader in modern Information Technology (IT) implementation.

The BDP Government is notable for its lack of transparency, corruption and poor service delivery.

(2) Finland; Finland is another country that we can learn from.
At the beginning of the 1990’s, the Finish economy suffered from a severe recession.

The crisis became Finland lever for implementing a complete restructuring of its economy.

The BDP Government has failed to use the COVID-19 situation as a lever to restructure the economy, and yet like I said Finland managed to use the calamity of a recession to learn something from.

(3) Ireland; Mr Speaker, Ireland is another country we can learn from.
In its edition of January 1988, the Economist titled its survey of Ireland “poorest of the rich.” Nearly 10 years later, the cover story of the Economist was now “Europe’s shining light.” It noted that Ireland had caught up to the European average Gross Domestic Product (GDP) and was getting steadily richer.

The lesson here is the role of vision.


Ireland experience demonstrates the significance of strategic planning and coordination as well as the speed with which positive results can be realized when strategic planning is implemented.

We can all see that the BDP has no vision for transforming the country.

(4) Singapore; Mr Speaker, at independence Singapore was as poor as Botswana.
Today Singapore is a first world country, having sustained rapid economic growth over the past 5 decades, that has translated into high incomes for its people.

Singapore strategy was to attract multinational companies that would transfer technology and training and constantly upgrade their operations.

Today Singapore is home to over 120 foreign banks and 7 000 multinational companies.

Another lesson is their single-minded focus on erecting excellent infrastructures.
Singapore’s ports, airport and communications are outstanding.

This make Singapore a sight of choice for locating headquarters and production areas, even though wages are high.

Singapore is also known for transparency and absence of corruption, and has invested heavily on establishment of robust institutions with strong and honest leadership.
Mr Speaker, the Minister speaks of revenue mobilization and only mentions taxes as a strategy, putting further strain on Batswana to step in for mismanagement of her Government.

We can do better than taxes as revenue mobilization strategy Mr Speaker.

President’s globetrotting resulted in zero Foreign Direct Investment (FDI) inflows.

Nothing worth reporting.

We want to see how the current programme which he is running ya diphoko le diphelefu will take this country to high income status by 2036.
The Government investment vehicle the Botswana Investment and Trade Centre (BITC), was reported to be targeting to attract P180 million in FDI over the next five years.

That is P36 million annually, this is quite underwhelming.

Since its inception the Botswana International Financial Services Centre (BIFSC) has only managed to attract P2.5 billion in investment, and just over 400 jobs from 30 companies in its 20 years of operation.
Mauritius International Financial Centre on the other hand Mr Speaker, has grown to 11 000 jobs and contributes over US$1 billion in GDP, US$180 million in tax revenue annually and US$600 billion in assets after 30 years.

This is just an illustration of what happens when there is a vision and direction in the Government.

Singapore Mr Speaker, derives 18 per cent of revenue from investment vehicles.
Temasek Holdings which is the equivalent of Botswana Development Corporation (BDC) in Botswana and the Government of Singapore Investment Company the Sovereign Wealth Fund, the foreign reserves has grown Temasek into a global investment company worth over US$300 billion, by first focusing on driving domestic growth and then venturing into regional and global markets.

Agriculture Mr Speaker, it continues as a deserted sector, yet with the right focus, this could be the Government’s revenue source.
Government has no plans and makes no attempts to resuscitate this sector.

The budget allocation to the Ministry of Agriculture attest to this fact.

Let me give you a case study of Dutch Agriculture as I have done before.

Maybe if I repeat this, you should be able to maybe understand and engage.

Agriculture exports are worth 93 billion Euros or P1 trillion which is 8 40 Hansard No 205Tuesday 15th February, 2022APPROPRIATION (2022/2023) BILL, 2022 (NO.
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Revenue from milk and pigs alone, are greater than our economy.

Revenue from eggs alone, are more than P8 billion.

Productivity has grown through adoption of milking machines, harvesters, planting machines, cooperatives financing, learning, land rights and land management in regard to leases.

Mr Speaker, there is a need for a new Constitution, as I draw towards the end.

There is need for a new Constitution for stronger institutions.
We need to dismantle this constitutional dictatorship and build strong democratic and economic institutions that are robust, inclusive and infused with checks and balances.

I must add here Mr Speaker, that the unilateral appointment of the Constitutional Review Commission by President Eric Mokgweetsi Masisi has greatly disappointed us, not only us, but all the stakeholders who were expecting this exercise to be a democratic exercise.
We expected Mr Speaker, a people driven exercise that values participation, consultation and inclusivity.

The fact that even up to today, the President has not seen it fit to consult Parliament or at the very least notify Parliament, is telling of the intension of this exercise.

It is an exercise that we are not even sure whether it will produce the desired results because important stakeholders were ignored or neglected before it started.
Mr Speaker, we need to embark on some effective cost cutting measures in order for us to have sufficient or enough money to do other important matters.

We need to make sure that the amount of money that we appropriate to the DIS is reduced significantly because it is through this money, that the DIS is venturing into dangerous waters.

It is through these amounts of money that are appropriated to the DIS, that DIS has turned into a bull in a China shop.
Therefore, we suggest Mr Speaker, that as a way of cost cutting, we must make sure that we starve the DIS of a lot of money.

We also plead with the Minister to ensure that Government especially the President and the Vice President (VP) who use aircrafts, are regulated on their use.

If they are going to use aircrafts to campaign their parties and aircrafts for official functions of the country, then we are going to run down this economy.
When you take the Presidential Jet OK 1 from here to Francistown, the amount of fuel used is more than P45, 000.

You can imagine if that thing runs all the time, how much money the country is going to lose.

Having said that Mr Speaker, I wish to take this opportunity to thank you most profoundly for giving me this opportunity to respond to the Budget.

I thank you sir.

Have a great evening.

MR SPEAKER: Thank you Honourable Mmolotsi.

Honourable Motaosane.

...Silence...


MR SPEAKER: Honourable Motaosane...

...Silence...

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Honourable Motaosane is speaking this side Mr Speaker.

O a bua kafa, go raya gore he is not connected sir.

MR SPEAKER: No wonder re sa mmone.

What is wrong with his TV?

A a tshube selo sa Makgoa.

Ee, ke yo ke a mmona jaanong.

Honourable Motaosane, unmute yourself.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Le fa a sa bua, ga go re sepe.

Gakere ba bua dilo tse di tshwanang fela.

MR SPEAKER: ...(Laughter!


)...Unmute yourself.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: O tsweletse o a bua mme.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Bua ka di sign ba a go utlwa kwa Thamaga, bua fela ka di sign ba a go utlwa.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Unmute.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Tla o tsene ka kwano.

MR SPEAKER: Honourable Motaosane, can you go next door to your neighbour, nobody can help you.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Tla kwano.

MR MOTAOSANE (THAMAGA-KUMAKWANE): Thank you Mr Brooks.

Thank you Mr Speaker.

Ke a utlwala jaanong mongwame?


MR SPEAKER: Yes sir.

MR MOTAOSANE: Mr Speaker, mma ke go leboge go mpha sebakanyana se.

Ke bo ke leboge Tona Mma Serame gore a bo a re beile pego ya gagwe pele.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: ...(Inaudible)... MR MOTAOSANE: Somebody is talking.

Ke leboge Tona wa Madi.

Re bo re mo lebogise gore o dirile ditso go bo e le ene mme wa ntlha go nna mo Botoneng jwa tsa Madi le Itsholelo.

Mr Speaker, e re ke simolola, ke supe my disappointment with the Budget Speech se se leng fano.
Ke supe my disappointment gore although it is nicely prepared, ke lela selelo sa ga Ragele ka gore 41 Hansard No 205Tuesday 15th February, 2022APPROPRIATION (2022/2023) BILL, 2022 (NO.

2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) tota Budget fa e tla, mongwe le mongwe o a solofela.

O nna le ditsholofelo gore le ene kwa kgaolong ya gagwe, sengwe se ka tla sa nna teng sa buiwa, sa thusa Batswana ba ba nnang kwa kgaolong eo.
Ke maswabi gore kwa kgaolong e ke e emetseng, ga go na sepe se ke ka se bolelelang Batswana bale ba Modimo ba ba kwa Thamaga-Kumakwane mabapi le Budget e. I must say this out fa pele ga ga Tona, dikgang tse ga di re beye sentle.

Ke tlaa supa Tona ka monwana mme tota ke raya Puso generally, gore nako e tsile ya gore re sekaseke ka fa re dirang dilo tsa rona ka teng kana ka fa re kgaoganyang seemo sa madi ka teng go ya le ka ditlhokego tsa batho.
Mr Speaker, go utlwisa botlhoko gore nako le nako e bo e le gore Budget e a tla e a buiwa, o fitlhela kgaolo e tshwana le ya Thamaga-Kumakwane, e le foo fela, ga go lebege e le bontlha bongwe jwa lefatshe la Botswana.

Ga go a siama.

Go na le ka fa bo Tona ba baakanyang dipolelo tsa bone ka teng.

Fa gongwe ba bua ka dikgang tse dingwe tse e leng gore it is of national interest, ga ke gane ke dumalana le bone.
Fa o bua ka the national interest, o bo o bua ka the priorities tse di tshwanang le gore le dire projects tse di ka tsosolosang itsholelo ka bofefo, tsa dira gore di re kopanye le ba bangwe ka sebopego se se ntseng jaaka ke bona Tona a bua, go nna bokete.

You are saying to me gore ba le leng kwa thoko ga the major roads tse di tshwanang le A1, jaaka go ne go dirwa kwa Kazungula, ke gore o kare we are not supposed to be part of this economy.
Ke bua se ka gore tota fa o bua ka go tokafatsa itsholelo, go tshwanetse go ame Motswana gongwe le gongwe kwa a leng teng.

It does not matter how small the economy e e kwa kgaolong eo.

Fa re na le project kwa kgaolong, gone moo fela ka bogone, ke gone mo go tsosolosang itsholelo.

Fa go abiwa kukunyana e e ntseng jaana, go itebaganngwa le projects tse di tona, tse di rileng tse di ka tsisang economy gore e tokafale ka bofefo, e bo e tlhame mebereko.

E tlhama mebereko kae?

Kwa bathong ba dikgaolo tseo.


Lona kwa dikgaolong tse le leng kwa go tsone, ga di tlhame sepe.

Jalo he, Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, ke kopa re le Goromente, a ko re sekasekeng kgang e thata.

Ke utlwa botlhoko ka gore projects tse ke buile ka nako ya Mid-Term Review ka ba ka se ka ka dumalana le Budget e e neng beilwe fa pele ga rona.

That Budget e sa tshola sepe sa kwa kgaolong ya me mo dikopong tse di kanakana tse re di dirileng ka dingwaga tse di ka nnang 15 le 20.
Le itse gore go fetile Mapalamente ba ka nna bararo fa pele ga me go simolola ka the former Honourable Speaker, Gladys Kokorwe, ga tsena bo Dr Reverend Seakgosing le Honourable Tshenolo Mabeo ba ntse ba bua mme e bile projects tse dingwe tsa tsone di le mo Plan.

When you prioritise le le Puso jaanong, ke ipotsa potso gore go fapoga fa kae?
Go na le kgang e e leng gore ga ke dumalane le yone gore ka tumelo ya me fa re le Puso re tsweletse ka projects, fa re dira kabakanyo jaaka re tsere projects tse di tshwanang le ditsela tsa bo Thamaga-Kubung, Moshupa-Manyana, Goodhope go tsena ka fa bo Digawana ka fale, madi a tsone a ne a tsewa a dirisiwa elsewhere, go raya gore you push those projects kwa pele.
Go supafala gore golo moo is possible gore even today dikgaolo tse o fitlhelang di na le projects di le four or five tse dingwe di na le bo three mme dikgaolo tse dingwe di sena sepe, it is possible that we can delay those projects kwa dikgaolong tseo and address issues tse di nang le bo 20 years go ntse go buiwa ka tsone mo dikgaolong tsa rona.
Ka sebopego se se ntseng jalo, ke ne ke re re tshwanetse re leke go ipopa sešha re bone gore ga re beye ba bangwe ka fa mosing ka ntata ya bobotlana jwa metse ya bone kana ka sebopego sepe fela se e leng gore fa re bua ka go kgaogana cake ya lefatshe, re itse gore le bone ba a amega.
We are contributing re le metse e mennyennyane to the economy of this country through our taxes and any other investment e o ka e akanyang but if we are starved the developments tse di ka dirang gore itsholelo ya magae a rona e nne teng, ga go a nna sentle.

Mr Speaker, ga ke batle go bua ka tse di ntsi tsa bo Recurrent Budget, ke batla go itebaganya fela le yone ya Development Budget.

Mr Speaker, Ministry of Local Government ke nngwe ya ministries tse di tonatona ka maemo a tsone.
Tota to me, ke one the largest ministry o e leng gore e ya re budget e ntse jaana e bua ka development e bo e ka bo gongwe e le one o neetsweng cake e tona go gaisa.

Ke a bona fa o supa gore o o file about P2 billion which is 12.25 per cent of the Development Budget e o e ba neetseng.

Ke ne ke re ee, go siame gore o ba neele jalo; a mannye go ya ka nna ka fa ke itseng dikgwetlho tsa Local Government di ntseng ka teng.
Sekai, gone jaana o supile gore madi a a tlaa dirisediwa, bontlha bongwe jwa one gore e bo e le to maintain primary school facilities.

This backlog eradication project, I think it needs to be revisited with due respect Honourable Minister.

I am saying this because this project was done some donkey years ago.

Ka nako eo, some of the schools, their backlog gongwe e ne e bua gore re tlhokana le two classrooms, matlo a 42 Hansard No 205Tuesday 15th February, 2022APPROPRIATION (2022/2023) BILL, 2022 (NO.
2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) badirelapuso a le kana a barutabana a le kana mme mo go yone, dilo kana kgolo ya dipalo tsa bana mo dikoleng e godile go le gontsi thata go menagane go kana bo ga tlhano.

Therefore, it is no longer relevant gore re bo re e buisa re lebeletse the old backlog eradication project.
A re e sekasekeng sešha, re e dire sešha ka gore ga go thuse gore e re o ntse o tswa go dira a project ya backlog eradication, o bo o fitlhela e le gore teng koo o dirile only two classrooms while the school at the moment se tlhokana le classrooms di ka nna eight, matlo a barutabana a ka nna 10 ka nako e o neng o tlhoka two.

Let us revisit this issue.


I am saying this because fa o ya kwa kgaolong e ke e e metseng, if you go to places like Lesilakgokong, Kotolaname, those are the areas tse e leng gore are very critical mme ga gona kwa modirelapuso a ka hirisang teng mo motseng.
Dikole tse fa ke bua le wena jaana, barutabana ba tlhoka boroko ka sebopego se se kwa godimodimo mo e bileng ke kopa ba Ministry of Education gore tota a ko ba tlhakane le ba Ministry of Local Government mo Development Budget ya bone, ba leke go thusa Ministry of Local Government ka gore bone ga ba a leba dikole fela.

Ba lebile le makalana a mangwe jaaka babereki ba Dikgotla, ga ba na boroko, fa o ya kwa badirelengpuso ba khansele ga ba na maroko le bone.

Therefore, ga ba a leba barutabana fela.


A re tshwaraganeleng dikgaolo tse di ntseng jaana.

Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo, ke eletsa gore fa go buiwa ka prioritising projects, o bona kgang e ya internal roads, as much as e le botlhokwa, I do not think it should be a priority over ditsela tse di tshwaraganyang metse.
There has to be smooth travelling between metse e ka go farologana jaaka dikai fela tse o fitlhelang re bua ka tsone re di fa gore fa o tsaya tsela e tshwana le ya Gakgatla-Gamodubu go ya go tsena kwa Bokaa, that must be given a priority over internal roads.

Let us think properly as a Government.


Ke a itse gore tse di under Local Government but this cake fa re e kgaoganya re bo re itebaganya le gore nnyaa, ka gore Local Government e kopile mo, bale ba kopile mo re bo re re nnyaa, Ministry wa Transport ke one o o tlaa lebaganang le ditsela tse di kwa ntle fela yet they are given a small amount of the cake then re tlile go tshela re lela ka bone re re ke bone ba sa direng tiro yet we are not getting our priorities right.
Ga ke bone go tlhokafala gore o kare re ise re kgone ditsela tse di kopanyang metse jaaka tsela e tshwana le ya Letlhakeng-Kaudwane re bo re santse re bua ka gore re ya go dira so many number of kilometres mo internal roads.
That is not prudent because to me priority must be ditsela tse di tshwanang le yone ya Kubung-Thamaga e e leng gore Kubung-Thamaga le gone, ke setse ke bua fela gore Kubung-Thamaga but it has to go as far as Thamaga to Jwaneng e ye go feta kwa bo Phuduhudu e tsenye batho bale ka gore le yone e tlisa itsholelo ka bokete jo bo gakgamatsang because that is a production area.
Mo speech sa gago o a tlhalosa gore ditsela tse kana infrastructure e e ntseng jaana e tshwanetse gore e ye go dirwa gore e kgone go netla but unfortunately, le lebelela bo A1 fela le lebala gore fa o ya teng kwa bo Phuduhudu koo, ke teng kwa e leng gore matshelo a batho a ikaegile ka gone.

Se Minister, ke ne ke kopa gore next time re se lebelele ka leitlho le le ntšhotšho.
Mo godimo ga moo Tona, ke dumela gore agriculture fela jaaka le wena o sa tswa go supa, kana funds tse o buang ka tsone gore go tlaa thusiwa… the basic infrastructure kwa agriculture gore e ka thusa jang le go tsenya dilo tse di tshwanang metlakase le metsi, bogolo jang potable water, o fitlhela batho ba rona kwa metseng ya magae le masimo ba e leng gore re batla ba ye go nna koo, e nne…Gompieno jaaka re bua gatwe mabele a a tlhaela, go ne go buiwa this morning mo dikgannyeng kana maabane bosigo ka fa mabele a tlhaelang ka teng.
It is pathetic gore e re re le balemi re itse go lema mabele re bo re santse re ntse re bua gore mabele a a tlhaela mo lefatsheng la Botswana.

It does not make us a credible Government.

Gompieno batho ba ba batlang go lema mabele, fa ba tsamaya ba ya kwa National Development Bank (NDB) ba batla tractors in order to produce mo go lekaneng, NDB e tlaabo e ba raya e re project ya gago ga e viable.

Who said it is not viable when the market is there?
Bo Kgalagadi Breweries ba ntse ba bua ka fa e leng gore ba batla selekanyo sa mabele se se kwa godimo go le kana ka eng, here we are; re gana ka diterekere le go neela batho madi a a duleng kwa gotwe a ye go thusa balemibarui ba babotlana le ba ba rileng gore ba kgone to produce mo go lekaneng.

It is high time we get our priorities correctly so that itsholelo e kgone go tsogologa.
Ke tshwenngwa ke mo e leng gore fa re bua ka go tsosolosa itsholelo, re batla go ya bontlha bongwe jwa lefatshe la Botswana, re tlogela Batswana ba bangwe ba e leng gore bone kwa go bone ga go lebege go na le gore ba nne le ditsela tse ditona kana ga ba lebege e le ditoropo re bo re ba tlogela kwa ntle.

Dilo tse, itseng gore batho ba rona le bone ba tlhokana le go tsosolosa itsholelo ya bone.

Mr Speaker, kgang e nngwe ke ya electrification of rural villages.
Ke kope Tona, yo ke mo tlotlang, yo ke itseng gore ke motho yo o reetsang, ke mo kope gore, Tona go thona gore dinako tse dintsi fa le aba madi a lona le abela metse e metona e e tshwanang Serowe, 43 Hansard No 205Tuesday 15th February, 2022APPROPRIATION (2022/2023) BILL, 2022 (NO.

2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) Molepolole, Kanye, Ramotswa le bo Mochudi fela jalo, every year fa le dira expansion those villages ga di ke di tlhoka go amega.
I do not know what we have done kwa Thamaga, gore a big village like that e bo e le gore nako le nako o a tlogelwa.

As we speak bontlha bongwe jwa motse jo bontsintsi jo go nang le more than 2,000 plots tse e leng gore they have been allocated, ga le supe sepe se le tlaa tshwanelwang ke gore le ye go re thusa.

I have taken your people gore ba ye go iponela ka matlho gore ke bua ka ga eng.
Even inside the village… jaaka o itse gore your policy ke gore go na le golo mo gotweng gatwe motho o a bo a se mo mmepeng, inside the village o a go fitlhela batho ba tlhoka motlakase, e le gore gatwe transformers tseo di tletse.

Every year fa le tsenya budget ya lona le kopela go dira village electrification ga le ke le tsenya Thamaga mo teng, why, I do not know.
Ke a go kopa Tona, e bile ke kopa gore o ete, o tsamaye le nna Honourable Minister, ke ye go go bontsha motse wa Thamaga ka bophara jwa one, le fa o tlhokang dikgang teng.

Go fitlhelela e tle e re o dira allocation ya madi a ngwaga o, jaaka o a neetswe, o itse gore Thamaga e a tlhoka.

The area called Thokwane ba nna fela mo go nna ga ba nthobatse.

Jaanong ke a kopa Honourable Minister gore, ke tle ke go tseye ke ye go go kaetsa le wena o iponele ka matlho, o se ka wa utlwa ka magatwe.
HONOURABLE MEMBER: O utlwetse Mokgatla.

MR MOTAOSANE: Motse o mongwe o o saleng o solofediwa, o ntse o eme fela, out of the Kweneng villages, it must be the only village o o sa tsenngwang motlakase, ke motse o bidiwa gotwe Lesilakgokong.

You have promised several times gore Lesilakgokong e tlaa nna bontlha bongwe jwa metse that will be connected motlakase.

Jaanong ke kopa thuso ya gago Tona.


Kgosi wa Lesilakgokong nako le nako fa a bua ka kgang ya gore ba sale ba solofediwa, e bile le bo le ba bolelela gore e tlaa re mo ngwageng wa gore, jaanong gongwe e nne wena Tona ka sebele o ye go buisa phuthego kwa Lesilakgokong.

Kgosi a kgone go go itholela, a bo a go supegetse facilities tse di leng teng, tse di tlhokanang le motlakase e le tsa ga Goromente segolobogolo.
Le batho kana gore itsholelo ya bone e nne botoka ke gore le bone ba bo ba na le motlakase, ba ka dira sengwe ka go leka go itokafatsa ka motlakase.

Ke ka go leboga Tona.

Fa o ya kwa Ministry of Health and Wellness; Honourable Minister of Finance, o ntshitse madi a mantsi, a a bonala.

Mma re go lebogele seo, gore o lekile go ba fa a better cake this time around.
Mme ke kope Tona wa Botsogo, kana Matona a Botsotso gore tota nako e tlile ya gore jaanong re bue le lona re le batho ba Thamaga- Kumakwane Constituency re sa dikologe, ga le re direle sentle Matona.

Ga le re direle sentle le le Ministry of Health and Wellness, le a itse gore le tshwanetse le ka bo le dirile eng kwa Thamaga Primary Hospital, madi a dule, ra ba ra le batlela lefatshe, mme you are not doing that.
Project eo le e kgaotse ka bolona, la ntsha matlo a e neng e le a badirelapuso a ne a tshwanetse go nna 13, you only built four.

You did not do the accident and emergency department e le neng le tshwanetse go e dira le le ba Ministry of Health and Wellness, madi a dule.

Go nyeletse.
Go nyeletse.

Gape over and above that, le a itse gore sepatela kwa Thamaga is not even supposed to be called a primary hospital, it does not befit the description ya primary hospital ka gore gompieno re bua ka room e le nngwe fela ya borre le e nngwe fela ya bomme, go bo go nna le maternity, that is all.

Ka tsweetswee jaaka le a bo le neetswe madi a ko ke le kope, ke le gogobele ka mangole gore dirang gore le ye go dira the expansion ya Thamaga Primary Hospital.
Se sengwe ke boroko jwa badirelapuso, le to maintain dikago tse di leng teng, makgasa a a leng teng, ka ga e sa tlhole e le dikago tse di nang le…they are not habitable.

Jaanong ke kopa gore a ko fela e re jaaka le neetswe madi a le dire jalo.

Sa bobedi Kubung Clinic, e e leng gore it is actually a Health Post, ke kopa gore a ko e ye to be upgraded bagaetsho.
Ke gore fa o tsaya seemo sa gore Kubung diemo tsa yone ga go na tsela e e ka reng motho e le molwetse a le koo a kgona gore a tsamaye a tabogisediwe kwa Thamaga, o bo o tsaya seemo le selebego sa the Health Post ya Kubung ka fa e ntseng ka teng, le to be maintained fela ga gore, bogolo makgasa a ceilings a a welang badirelapuso ba ba koo be maintained, go a pala.

You go to Lesilakgokong, Kotolaname le Kumakwane the same thing.
Re sale re le kopa kwa Kumakwane gore Rre Dada o re tlhomogetse pelo o re agetse clinic.

Jaanong e foo fela ke clinic, ga ke itse gore go pala eng gore e nne a 24hour clinic.

Jaanong le filwe madi, a ko le tsenyeng bodiredi jo bo tlhokagalang.

Le itse gore go tlhokana le gore the maternity wing ya kwa Kumakwane Clinic e bereke, le itse gore e tshwanetse go bereka 24 hours.
Go botlhokwa ka gore, kwa Thamaga the so called primary hospital, ga e sa tlhole…ga ke itse gore ke ka e bitsa ke reng, jaanong ke a kopa gore this time around Ministry of Health and Wellness a ko le re tlhomogeleng pelo, le re neeleng a 24 hour, facility ya Kumakwane, e bereke.

Even the other clinic e go neng go duwa kwa go 44 Hansard No 205Tuesday 15th February, 2022APPROPRIATION (2022/2023) BILL, 2022 (NO.
2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) yone, the health post ka gor ga se clinic, le yone mma e bereke.

Motse o godile.

Batho fa ba tswa kwa fela fa gongwe go le bosigo ba tshwanelwa ke gore ba leke go ya kwa clinic ele ka gore o tshwerwe ke bolwetse, ka nako eo go nna mathata to travel kilometres that they travel.

Jaanong ke a kopa a ko le lebelele dikgang tse.


Ministry of Education; mma ke kope ba Ministry wa Education gore, Tona o le file madi, matlhoko a re nnang re bua ka one le lona le a a itse, ga se mo re le bolelelang.

Sa ntlha ke classrooms.

Ke a bona gore fa go a supagala gore le preschools go tlaa nna le gore di nne le lemmenyana le le tsone di ka kgonang gore di ka agiwa.

Bagaetsho, re a le kopa le le ba Ministry of Education, a ko le itebaganye le dilo tse di tlhokagalang.
If you go to Kumakwane Junior Secondary School letlhoko la boroko koo, out of more than 56 staff members, you only have 14…in fact it is not even 14 it is 11 houses, mpolelele gore the rest of the teachers ba nna kae?

A ko le e lebelele.

Ke a itse gore e rile fa le dira project e le neng le e dira kwa Kumakwane Junior Secondary School go ne go na le matlo gotwe a six, ga re itse gore a feletse kae, ga a dirwa, what is happening?
Fa o ya kwa all the community junior secondary schools tse di kwa Thamaga, boroko jwa barutabana ke selelo le khurano ya meno.

Ke a le kopa a ko this time around le ko le lona le re tsenye mo teng re le ba community junior secondary schools tsa Thamaga le nnenyane.

Over and above that Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, batho ba Ministry of Education kana re ntse re le emetse ka karabo ya unified school ya Thamaga.
Ga ke itse gore re mabe go le kanakang gore project e e bo e lebega mo go lona e se priority.

Re tshwanetse go dira eng gore re tshwane le metse e mengwe gore e nne le a unified secondary school?

Ke a ipotsa, ke kopa Honourable Molao, ke a go gogobela morwarre, ke a itse gore di dintsi, mme gantsi ga ke utlwane le kgang e e reng fa ke bua ka dikgaolo tse di ntebaganeng ke bo ke ya go tshwantshanngwa le ba bangwe, gotwe, bale le bone ba ntse jaana, we know!
but dilo di a diragala kwa dikgaolong tse dingwe.

Kwa Kgaolong ya Thamaga- Kumakwane dilo ga di diragale.

A typical example, you know, Tautona Khama o ne a ya go rola this unified school mo Kgotleng ya Thamaga, fa pele ga mongwe le mongwe Kgotla e tletse.
E rile kwa morago a batla to somersault a bo a re, o ne a sa bolelelwa sentle, mme batho ba ofisi ya gagwe ga ba ke ba le bolelela boammaaruri nako e ntsi, ka gore ke ka bo ke bua jaana o itse ka dipalo tse di lekaneng gore di ka dira a unified school kwa Thamaga.

A re tlaa jeka sengwe le sengwe, gongwe le gongwe, ka lehuma le le kana ka, batho ba Thamaga ba ba sa berekeng?
Banana ga ba bereke, batsadi ba bone ga ba bereke, ba tsweletse ka go leka go ngapangapa go pega bana ba bone go ya kwa metseng e mengwe.

This is not right; this cannot be right; this should not be condoned ka tsela epe fela e e leng gore motho yo o nang le kakanyo, a itse motse o tshwana le Thamaga le dikgaolwana tse di mo go yone, o ka ba a letlelela gore seemo se se continue to be like that.

Ke sone se ke buang gore we must try and play around with the development plan.
E se ka ya re ka gore gatwe selo se ya go dirwa kwa, ke nna ke e fa dikai ka projects tse dingwe tse di yang kwa dikgaolong tse dingwe, tse di tsamayang di le dintsintsi mme kwa dikgaolong tse dingwe go sa dirwe sepe.

So dikgang tse ga di a re siamela, ke kopa gore re ipaakanye re le Puso.
Kwa bofelong Mr Speaker, ka re tlaa bua ka dikgang tse jaanong di lebagane le metse ka metse kana le ministry ka ministry, ke kope gore I want to move gore re boele kwa morago, re ye go lebaleba projects tsotlhe tse di feleletsang NDP 11.

Kwa go nang le projects tse pedi, tse tharo, re tseye tse dingwe di ye kwa metseng e e senang projects, kwa constituencies tse e leng gore ga diyo teng.
This is not right, we cannot be seen to be dividing the cake ka lefatshe e kare re sokametse ntlha nngwe, bangwe bone ba sa bone dilo tse di tshwanetseng.

Se ke a se kopa, I am a democrat mme ke le moDomkrag ga nkake ka dumalana gore for the past 20 years, e bo e le gore rona we are starved developments, fela in the name of ke tlaa nna ke re ka gore ke wa party e e busang, nnyaa bagaetsho, golo mo ga go a siama.
Mo manifesto wa rona re le BDP, re solofeditse batho ba dikgaolo tse ditlhabololo tse di rileng mme ga go diragale.

Le fa o bona boramogoma ba kganetso jaanong fa ba tswa fa ba tlaabo ba bua ka nna ba re se se mo manifesto wa UDC, ba itse fela sentle gore ga ba bue nnete, ba kopile dilo tse mo manifesto wa rona mme e bile ga go thona gore manifesto wa bone le wa rona di ka tshwana.

Kana fa ke batla go emela batho, o itse matlhoki a dikgaolo.
Ee, ba rotlhe re buile gore re ya go review Constitution, re ya go dira ditsela, re ya go dira maranyane gore a nne teng, re ya go atolosa metlakase, re ya go tlhama mebereko.

Jaanong kwa UDC borankgoma ba tlaabo ba ipaya bo Dr Gobotswang, a bua gore ga re a dira eng, manifesto wa bone o itaya o reng, o reng, rona re a itse gore tse ba di tsaya mo manifesto wa rona.

We know that.

Lesang go ithatisa Batswana le le batho ba diphathi tsa kganetso ka dikgang tsa rona.
Motho a tshwana le Honourable Hikuama... 45 Hansard No 205Tuesday 15th February, 2022APPROPRIATION (2022/2023) BILL, 2022 (NO.

2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification.

MR MOTAOSANE: Hikuama, ntlogele ke a bua.

HONOURABLE honourable.

MEMBER: Clarification HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… MR MOTAOSANE: Ga gona clarification, I am not yielding.
Ke kopa gore...(Interruptions)…bo Dr Gobotswang, le ditlhabololo tse di yang kwa kgaolong ya gago, o fitlhela di ntse di le teng, o sego gore di diragala ka nako ya gago but they are not your initiatives.

Jaanong Honourable Ramogapi, lesa go nna o re tswisa pelo ka o itse gore projects tsotlhe le ne le di isa kwa Palapye le di tsaya jaaka le ne le di tsaya, le tlaabo le ntse le re ga go a dirwa sennanne kwa boketekete, le itse gore le selelo se methaba.
Re a itse, le re boleletse, ga le a re lobela gore le a bo le bua jaana gore Batswana ba le utlwe, le re le leka go re tlhobosa mme le itse gore dilo tse are contained in our manifesto of 2019 elections.

Therefore, ke le kope gore a e nne e re fa re dumalanang teng kana fa re eletsang go thusa Batswana le na le gone mo manifesto wa lona, le rona go le teng mo manifesto wa rona, stop being participants tse e leng gore they are not originators of se se leng teng mo manifesto wa rona.
Sekai; lesang go itlhobogisa batho ka dikgang tsa go nna le re Domkrag e itaya e re, Domkrag e itaya e re.

Bangwe ba lona fa le bua ka corruption, le a itebala gore re itse gore mmemmenyane le mmemmenyane o na le dikgang tsa corruption tse di ntseng jang.

Now you are tempting me gore ke bue Mo Palamenteng, ke bue motho ka leina.

I do not want to do that.

You are not clean jaaka le ipaya mo pele ga batho.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ba bue, ba bue Motaosane.


MR MOTAOSANE: Fa le bua ka Domkrag, le itse gore le leswe la lona, we can clean it.

Ke a leboga.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ao, wa re bana ba Selebi Phikwe ba ba tsenang kwa UB ga ba ka ke ba tlhopha kwa Selebi Phikwe?

Ba a tlhopha, nna ke a ba tsaya ba ya go tlhopha.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Nnyaa clarification Taosane.

MR SPEAKER: Thank you Honourable Motaosane, your time is up.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ba bolelele Taosi.


HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… HONOURABLE MEMBER: Nnyaa mme o ne a kgwa molelo Taosi.

OF MINISTER ASSISTANT LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND RURAL DEVELOPMENT (MR PULE): Good afternoon Mr Speaker, ke a dumedisa.

Ke a dumedisa bakaulengwe mo Palamenteng.

Mr Speaker, ke ne ke re le nna tota sa ntlha ke simolole ka go lebogela Chief Whip, yo o neng a mpapisa le Honourable Motaosane ka gore dikgang tsotlhe tse a di buileng, le nna ke ne ke tlile go di umaka.
Jaanong ke mo leboga gore a bo a re tlhomagantse, kana o lemogile gore re Bakgatla rotlhe ka gore mathata a a nang le one le tsotlhe tse a wetsang ka tsone gompieno, ke tse ke neng ke di tshotse mo tlhaloganyong ya me mme legale ke tlaa mo tlatsa.

Mr Speaker, selo sa ntlha ke lebogela Tona wa madi ka fa a beileng kgang mo go rona ka teng.

Tota fela fa re bua ka sejatlhapi, statement sa gagwe was honest, very reflective and focused.
So re tsaya gore se a se re beileng pele tota, ke sone se se leng teng, ga gona sepe se sengwe se a ka se buang.

O buile ka dikgang di le mmalwa mme ke kopa gore Mr Speaker, fa o ntetla ke nopole mafoko mangwe a gagwe a ke a eteleditseng pele mo kakgelong ya me.

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: Re bue.

MR SPEAKER: Yes, please do.

MR MOTAOSANE: Ke tlaa ba bua ka maina nako fa e tla.
Bangwe ke a itse gore e rile ba tlaa tlhophiwa mo Palamenteng e, ba ne ba rwele bana ba sekole ba University of Botswana (UB) ba ba isa kwa dikgaolong tsa bone gore ba ye go ba tlhopha, e bile ba ba solofetsa dilo tse di gakgamatsang.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: A mme go molato go isa bana ba sekole?
MR PULE: Ke nopola mafoko a gagwe ke a kwadile ka Sekgoa, “maintenance of public infrastructure providing a focused fiscal stimulus by reserving Constituency Community Projects (CCP) for strictly local contractors, maintaining the budget allocation for social welfare programmes and funding for the development of sporting talent in our country.” Ke mafoko a ke a agelang mosako Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.

I cannot emphasise these words enough.


46 Hansard No 205Tuesday 15th February, 2022APPROPRIATION (2022/2023) BILL, 2022 (NO.
2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) Mr Speaker, ke ne ke ratile gore e re fa ke bua ke eteletse pele lefoko la gore dikgang tsotlhe tse ke tlaa di bayang Palamente pele ke emetse Kgaolo ya me ya Mochudi East, e e nthomileng gore ke tle go ba emela fa, di tlaabo di beile thata mo manifesto wa rona wa BDP, o e leng gore jaaka Honourable Motaosane a ntse a bua, o tlhamaletse, o supile gore dilo tsotlhe tse re buang ka tsone ke tse re di solofeditseng Batswana.
Re ne ra tlhoka lesego Mr Speaker, ya re fa re sena go nna re dira mothalo o o ntseng jaana, re bo re nna le segajaja sa COVID-19, se gompieno se neng sa re paledisa gore dilo tse dingwe re se ka ra di dira ka fa re neng re batla go dira ka teng.
Ke ne ke ratile thata Mr Speaker, gore ke simolole ke akgole Tona gore a bo a file Lephata la Botsogo madi a a botoka ka gore tota moono wa rona o motona o re nang le one mo lefatsheng la Botswana ke gore jaaka re tlhasetswe ke segajaja sa COVID-19, re batla to safe Batswana or saving the Botswana population from COVID-19.

Ke one maikaelelo a rona a matona a ke itseng gore Tautona wa rona M. E. K. Masisi, o ne a baya pele setšhaba fa a bua ka Reset Agenda ya gagwe.
Jaanong ke sone se ba botlhe re leng mo Palamenteng, re tshwanetse gore re eme ka dinao, whether re kwa kganetsong kana kwa kae, o lwele gore o sireletse botshelo jwa Batswana jaaka re dira.

Re a itse gore cake e e latelang e botoka Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, e isitswe kwa Ministry wa Basic Education.
Bogolo jang ke lebogela gore e bo e le gore ba Basic Education ba letleletswe gore ba hire barutabana ba ba temporary ba le more than 3 500, ba re tsayang gore ba a tlhokafala jaaka re itse gore thuto ya rona e ne ya amiwa thata ke dikgang tsa COVID-19.

Ke ne ke ratile thata Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, gore ke bue ka Constituency Specific Responses.

Ke kopa go nankola mafoko a ga Tona a a neng a a bua, fa a bua ka itsholelo ya lefatshe Mr Speaker, if you allow me.
MR SPEAKER: Go ahead Honourable Minister.

MR PULE: “Our economy continues to have a narrow export base which must be diversified and expanded.
We have an external imbalance; we have more imports than exports, resulting in persistent balance of payments deficit.” Mr Speaker, mafoko a re tshwanetse ra a agela mosako, mme fa ke a patlaganaya le kgaolo yame, ke ne ke batla go tlhalosa gore kgaolo ya Mochudi East ke nngwe ya dikgaolo tse e leng gore fa re bua ka temothuo, bojanala, these are potential and bonafide unique selling point for this country.
Fa re ka e ema nokeng, e ka tlisa ditlhabololo tse di ntsi tse di lebaganyeng le go tokafatsa food security le tse dingwe tse di tlhokafalang.

Ke lemogile gore selo se se tlhokafalang thata mo kgaolong yame ya Mochudi East ke mo go tweng investment in infrastructure.

Re a itse gore fa re bua ka infrastructure, re bua ka ditsela, metlakase, metsi le tse dingwe.

Dingwe tsa dilo tse ke di itemogetseng mo kgaolong, tse e leng gore gongwe fa Goromente a ka re ema nokeng thata ka tsone, ke tsa lefatshe.
Lefatshe mo kgaolong ya rona le a tlhaela, kana mathata a rona ke gore re bapile le toropo, jaanong go raya gore batho ba bantsi ba ba nnang mo toropong ba sianela fa metseng e e tshwanang le bo Oodi, Matebeleng, Modipane le Dikwididi ba ya go kopa ditsha teng.

Re bo re felela e kete o ka tloga wa re re a tlhaelwa le fa tota e le gore maikaelelo a rona ke gore re thusanye re le Batswana, re se ka ra re nnyaa ka gore ke kwa Kgatleng kana kwa Mochudi East, go ka nna Bakgatla fela teng.
Re itse gore Batswana ba bangwe le bone ba tlhokana le lefatshe.

Batswana ba bangwe ba ba tlang kwa go rona, tota batla ka maikaelelo a go tla go re tlhabolola.

Kgang e nngwe e e leng gore ke bothata kwa go rona Mr Speaker, ke ya metsi.

Legale ke lebogela gore go ne ga nna le project ya Masama e e leng gore metse e mengwe e e tshwanang le ya bo Dikwididi, Modipane, Mokatse, Bokaa, Matebeleng le bo Oodi, ke metse e e neng e na le mathata a metsi, re nna fela ka dilelo tsa gore metsi ga a yo.
Ke na le tsholofelo e e tletseng gore the Masama Water Plant e e butsweng ke Tautona wa rona Dr Masisi ngwaga o o fetileng, e tlaa leka gore e thuse, e bo e e le gore mathata a a lebaganyeng le metsi ke dikgang tsa bogologolo.

Re a itse gore re na le plant e nngwe Mabalane e e bidiwang gore Water Treatment Plant that supplies the river villages.

Re a itse gore mo go ka se sebaka that plant is undergoing some refurbishment ya go leka gore e oketse seelo se metsi a a yang kwa the river villages.
Re tlaabo re ntse re lebeletse Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente go bona gore tiro e e dirwa ka botlalo, mme re bone gore e re fa sengwe se e leng gore se ka re tswela mosola.

Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, re na le mathata a matona kwa kgaolong ya Kgatleng bogolo jang Mochudi East.

Nna yo ke leng fano, ke Mopalamente wa bo six kwa kgaolong ya Mochudi East.

Re simolotse ka rraarona yo o saleng a re tlogetse bogologolo; Rre Setlhomo Segokgo, golo a go robetseng.
Ra tsena mo 47 Hansard No 205Tuesday 15th February, 2022APPROPRIATION (2022/2023) BILL, 2022 (NO.

2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) go Rre Washington Meswele, golo a go robetseng.

Ra tsena mo go Rre Isaac Davids golo a go robetseng, ra nna le Isaac Mabiletsa yo a leng teng gompieno, ra nna le the former Member of Parliament wa kgaolo eo Bright Molebatsi.

Batho ba ke ba tlhomagantseng ba rraetsho, ga ba ise ba ke ba tlhoke go bua ka ditsela tsa Kgatleng, dingwaga fela kwa re tswang teng.
Akanya gore re tswa bokgakala bo kae; Rre Setlhomo o ne a le mo Palamenteng ka 1965 a emetse kgaolo ya Kgatleng- Tlokweng a ntse a bua ka ditsela tsa Kgatleng.

Ke Mopalamente wa bo six ke ntse ke bua ka ditsela tsa Kgatleng.

Fa gongwe bagaetsho, ke dilo tse di utlwisang botlhoko mo e ka reng fa o bua ka tsone, fa gongwe o ka nna wa sisa pelo ka gore kgaolo ya Kgatleng e na le mathata a ditsela.
Kana fa e le gore re batla go sala morago dikgang tse di builweng ke Mme Serame, re tshwanetse re tswe mo importing dithoto, re itirele, re leme merogo re reng, re kgone go goroga kwa mebarakeng e re ka rekisang kwa go yone, go raya gore re tshwanetse re simolole ka go aga ditsela fela tse di nonofileng tse di tshetsweng sekontere se se ntsho.

Fa e le gore ga di ise di tshelwe sekonkere, re leke gore ditsela tseo be gravelled.

Fa re sa kgone to gravel them, re leke to grade them nako le nako.
Fa ke tsaya tsela tse di teng gompieno jaana, fa o ka lebelela kgaolo ya Kgatleng, go lebega ditsela tsa yone tse di lerole di le di ntsi go gaisa ditsela tse di tshetsweng sekontere.

Jaanong golo mo go ngopola pelo mo e leng gore fa gongwe fa o bua ka gone, o ka sisa pelo, o utlwa botlhoko gore naare Mochudi East yone kana Kgatleng yotlhe fela ka bophara, e diretse mang eng gore e bo e le gore dilo tse dingwe ga di dirwe.
Ga ke batle go supa Motlotlegi Tona Serame ka monwana ka gore tota o ne a tsena maabane a fitlhela mathata a a ntse a le teng.

Ke dilo tse di tshwenyang thata gore go bo go tsere lebaka le le kana ditsela tsa go nna jaana di ise di diriwe.

For us to be able to reach key markets and deliver quality produce, we need more tarred roads.

Gompieno go na le tsela e e tswang mo Mabalane e tsena fa Modipane, it is only 24 kilometres (km).

Tsela e e sale e tsena mo NDP; NDPs tsotlhe e ntse e le mo go tsone.
Gompieno jaana re ne re e solofetse gore ka NDP 11 e tlaa agiwa, jaanong go didimetse fela go rile tu!

mo e leng gore jaanong ga re itse gore gatwe go diragala eng ka yone, kana go ne go ntse go diragala eng ka yone, fa e le gore go tshwanetse gore go nne ka fa go ntseng ka teng.

Re na le tsela ya Mochudi go ya kwa Oliphants, e botlhoko.

Fa o ka tsena mo go yone gompieno jaana, o ka se ka wa rata.

Ke noka fela, ga e tsamaege, ke mathata a a seng kana ka sepe.
Re na le Lephata la Roads, re solofela gore ditsela tsa go nna jaana le tshwanetse gore le di lebelele, ba di grade from time to time gore re kgone gore re di dirise re ye kwa mmarakeng.

Re na le masimo ka kwa dikgaolong tsa bo Oliphants, ditlhapi, le tourism e e kwa godimo.

Jaaka ke ne ke bua ke re kana kgaolo ya Mochudi East tota go bua nnete, fa re e lebelela sentle fela, it can be a substitute for Chobe.

Re na le Limpopo River, noka fela e tona.


Re na le dinoka tsa bo Madikwe tse di nang fela di na le metsi, ditlhapi, re tsaya licenses re tsoma ditlhapi foo.

Gompieno fa ke bua le lona jaana, we are planning gore re dire a very big fish festival gone kwa kgaolong e e ka kwa ele to prove to Batswana gore kgaolo ya rona e ka ipelega fa e le gore tota e ka thusiwa ka infrastructure e tshwana le tsone ditsela.
Re na le tsela ya Bokaa-Kopong e e leng gore e gokaganya kgaolo ya Bokaa le masimo a a mo tseleng fa o ya kwa Kopong, mo e leng gore batho ba Bokaa ba lema gone koo.

Kana batho ba bantsi ga ba itse gore batho ba Bokaa ba lema a far as go tsena fa Mmamashia.

Masimo a a fa Mmamashia ke a Bokaa, mme ga go na ditsela, go botlhoko, ga re sa tlhola re itse gore re ka reng.
Nako e nngwe Rre Motaosane o kile a re o a e nthusa a re kana tsela e fa e ne e ka agiwa, e tlaa re kopanya le kgaolo ya gagwe ya Thamaga le dikgaolo tsa ga Motlotlegi Makwinja.

Ke ditsela tse e leng gore fa e ka tshelwa sekontere kana ya tlhokomelwa, batho ba ba tla a bong ba ya Gaborone, Metsimotlhabe le bo Mogoditshane, go tlaabo go sa tlhokafale gore ba tsamae ka A1 go ralala toropo ya Gaborone.

Ba tlaabo ba feta fela ka Kopong a bo a ya go theogela kwa Metsimotlhabe kana a ya Molepolole.
Re na le tsela ya Radikolo-Mokatse e e leng gore e tswa mo Modipane.

Fa o ka ya kwa gone yone gompieno jaana, o ka se ka wa rata le e seng, go botlhokotlhoko ka yone ka gore jaanong ga e tsamaege gotlhelele, ke lelediwa letsatsi le letsatsi.
Jaaka Rre Motaosane a ne a bua, nna le Rre Motaosane re batho ba re nnang fela re kgobiwa ka mafoko ke banni ba dikgaolo tsa rona ka gore tota ba tsaya gore re didimetse fela ga re dire sepe, mme re bua, re sa bolo go bua, le ba ba tlileng pele ga rona ba sa bolo go bua ka ditsela tsa go nna jalo.

Re na le tsela e e tswang mo Dikwididi e ya kwa Mochudi.
E re isa kwa masimong a e leng gore re lema kwa go one, re batla go dira dijo tse re ka di tsayang ra 48 Hansard No 205Tuesday 15th February, 2022APPROPRIATION (2022/2023) BILL, 2022 (NO.

2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) di isa kwa Mochudi le Gaborone ra ya kwa mmarakeng.

Ditsela tse bagaetsho, ke a itse gore tse dingwe tse di ne di seyo mo NDP 11.

E e ngomolang pelo thata ke e ya Modipane-Mabalane ka gore tota yone e ntse e le mo plan, mathata a yone fela ke gore e tlhokile madi.
Go bua nnete, fa e le gore re le lefatshe la Botswana re batla to improve our economy, we cannot improve our livelihoods fa e le gore ga go na ease of doing business.

Kana re a itse gore ease of doing business depends on access Mr Speaker.

Fa go sena access to market, we are going to have a problem.

Gompieno fa ke bua le wena jaana Mr Speaker, re na le dikgang tse di tshwanang le tse di diragalang… ASSISTANT MINISTER OF TERTIARY EDUCATION, RESEARCH, SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY (MR LESASO): Elucidation.
Ke ne ke rialo Mr Speaker ke re, go na le tsela e nngwe e o kareng o e lebeletse e e tswang Phala Camp e ya fa Mmaphashalala.

Ke nngwe ya ditsela tse fa di ne di ka bulwa, di ne di ka kopanya tsela e e ntseng e agiwa ya Dibete-Machaneng le Kgatleng.

Ke yone tsela e e gaufi, kana ke bo 15 kilometers (km), e e ralalang dipolase.
Gongwe fa yone eo e ne e ka bulwa, ya tlola noka ya Notwane, ke nngwe e dikgang tse a di buang tsa dinoka, batho ba kgaolo ele ya Mahalapye East, ba ka kgona go ya go tsoma ditlhapi gone ka kwa.

Le rona ba re tswang Shoshong, re kgone go tswa fa Dibete fale, re ya gone ka kwa.

Ke a leboga.

MR PULE: O opile kgomo lenaka morwarre, go ntse fela jalo.
Ke tshwentswe ke kgang ya gore gompieno fa o ka lebelela, ke sa re go phoso, transport rate e oketsegile, shared taxi gompieno e ja P7, taxi special ke P33, local transport ke P6.

Mr Speaker, tota these rates fa re lebelela gore gompieno infrastructure ya rona e ntse ka fa e ntseng ka teng, re sena ditsela, mo go re tlamang go tsamaya long distances to the markets.
Tla ke fe sekai, fa motho a tswa kwa Phalakampa, a rwele cabbage kana ditamati tsa gagwe a batla go ya go di rekisa kwa Gaborone, go mo pateletsa gore a tsene ka Malolwane a bo a ya go feta ka Mabalane, a bo a turn kwa Mochudi.

Ka gore o tlaabo a tla a latile sekonotere se se simololang mo Malolwane, a bo a boa a ya to turn kwa Mmamashia, gongwe a di isa kwa Choppies ya Oodi kana ya Tlokweng.

It is a long distance and then when you look at the rates tsa ditsela tota di dira gore go nne thata.
Ga ke ise ke re rates tsa ditsela di se ka tsa okediwa bagaetsho, le nkutlwe sentle, mme ke ne ke re dilo tse re di ele tlhoko.

Ke raya gore re leke gore le fa re oketsa, re bo re ntse re itse gore golo gongwe dilo tse di tlile go re paledisa go tlhabolola itsholelo ya rona.

Temothuo; ke ne ke batla go tlhalosa gore, re a itse gore Minister Gare o re boleletse ka kgang ya Integrated Support Programme for Arable Agriculture Development (ISPAAD).
Tota fela go bua nnete, re e emetse, re e letile ka matlho a mahibidu.

Ke kopa ke rotloetse Tona wa Temothuo gore a bereke le bana ba gagwe to make sure gore ISPAAD fa e tsena, e tlhalosediwa batho ka botlalo.

Batho ba itse gore ISPAAD e ntšha, e tlaabo e bereka ka mokgwa o o ntseng jang.

Ke na le tumelo e e tletseng ya gore re le ba Mochudi East, tota re malala-a- laotswe re batla to support the new project.
Tota re batla gore e tlhabolole matshelo a rona, mme re bo re tswelela re kopa gore fa go ne go kgonagala, bone ba Temothuo ba re thuse go bua le ba Finance gore go ntshiwe madi, ditsela tsa rona di agiwe ka fa di tshwanetseng go agiwa ka teng.

Kana di tlhabololwe gore di kgone go dirisiwa.

Kana ga se gore fa e le gore tsela ga e tshelwe sekonotere, it cannot be graveled, kana ya dirwa ka mokgwa mongwe o e leng gore access e ka nna kwa godimo.
E rile fa moragonyana Mr Speaker, ke ne ka bua ka Mochudi East gore ka fa e ntseng ka teng, fa re ne re ka improve infrastructure ya teng, it could be a very good potential ya horticultural and fishery hub thata.

We can supply Gaborone ka sengwe le sengwe se e se tlhokang sa horticulture.

Mathata a rona ke one fela a ditsela tse ke bonang di le teng.
Re ka tokafatsa (improve) the SMMEs tse e leng gore the world over, ga go na motho yo o sa itseng gore lefatshe fa le sena SMMEs, ga le ka ke la kgona go tlhabolola economy ya lone.

Ke tsaya gore fa re ka nna le support e e tletseng from you Minister, ka dikgang tsa to avail madi, economy ya tokafala (improve), ra kgona go tlhabolola investment mo lefatsheng la rona, ka go tlhabolola infrastructure.
Selo se ke se buang ga se ditsiabadimo, di teng mo manifesto wa rona, infrastructure development is one of the key things mo manifesto wa rona.

OF MINISTER ASSISTANT LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND RURAL DEVELOPMENT (MR MODUKANELE): Clarification.

Minister, o e tshwere sentle motho wetsho.

Jaanong ke utlwa o bua thata ka infrastructure development, mme kana boammaaruri ke gore sepatšhe se se tshwereng chelete fa ke ka dirisa segalona, se ngotlegile.
O ne o ka suggest eng Minister gore go ya kwa pele, projects tse a ke tsa ditsela le dipatela, re ka dira jang gore re bone gore 49 Hansard No 205Tuesday 15th February, 2022APPROPRIATION (2022/2023) BILL, 2022 (NO.

2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) mme tsone di nna teng?

Do you not think it is high time, we bring the private sector nearer through the Public Private Partnership (PPPs) and other models gore re kgone go thusana kgang e ba tsenye madi, re boe re ba duele re le Goromente?
I thank you sir.

MR PULE: Thank you Rre Modukanele, o iteile kgomo lenaka rraetsho.

Makgoa ba ba buang ka dinako tsa gompieno ba re strategy is delivery.

Strategy in any economy is delivery, mme kana to deliver go raya gore re tshwanetse go nne le joint venture le private sector bo PPP, and allow the private sector space into development projects tsa ga Goromente, it is very, very important.

Re ka dira jalo fa e le gore from the initial point of view, re ka plan le bone.
If you plan with the private sector then they should be able go itse gore then we win their buy in, ba bo ba ka kgona go bona gore re ka thusa fa.

Ke sone se o utlwang mokaulengwe wa me yo ke mo ratang ke re, tota fela go bua nnete, ga se gore go raya gore ka gore tsela ga ya kgona go tshelwa sekonotere, go na le gore re ka akanya some other cheaper ways of making a road accessible.
Ke sone se re reng a re se ka ra itlhoboga re re ga re na madi a sekonotere, a re akanyeng mekgwa mengwe e e ka dirang gore tsela e tsamaege, re kgone to reach markets tsa rona, re kgone to move, re bone gore re a reng.

Ke ne ke re ka bokhutshwane, ke fete ka kgang ya Dikwididi, go na le mongwe yo e kileng ya re ga a debate a… HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification.

MR PULE: Ke Modukanele gape?

We are aware Honourable Modukanele gore madi ga a yo, mme we can actually look for other alternatives.
Re se ka ra tswala fela gore re emela go fitlhela economy e nna botoka.

Ke kopa gore ba Ministry of Health, fela jaaka mongwe argued, ka gore rona kwa Kgatleng, re na le mathata a gore we only have one hospital e e bidiwang Deborah Retief Memorial (DRM), which is congested and it is a very old hospital, re ne re tshwanetse gore re ka bo re nnile le a hospital e e agiwang kwa Rasesa e e tlhokileng madi.
Re na le another planned primary hospital e e neng e se mo NDP 11, mme re batla go e tsenya mo NDP 12 ya kwa Mabalane.

It was long planned for ke bone borre ba ke neng ke ntse ke bua ka bone kwa morago, ba ba tlileng pele ga me.

Ka mokgwa mongwe e ne ya tswa fela from the plan, ga ke itse gore ka go reng.

Re ne re re in the meantime, when we are still looking for money, we can work towards upgrading clinics tse di tshwanang le tsa Boseja 2, Bokaa, Mmathubudukwane le bo Malolwane.
Di di golwanyane, re ka di tsenya dingaka and make sure gore re di tsenya mo level e e keteng ke ya sepatela, di nna le maternity wards and stuff like that.

Ke dilo tse tota fela ke reng ke rotloetse ba botsogo ka gore ke bao ba filwe madi, gongwe ba akanye dilo tsa go nna jalo when they are still looking at a bigger picture ya go aga dipatela.

Ke ne ke re gape Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, ke lebogele gore mo pegong ya ga Tona, o buile ka social programmes.
A tlhalosa ka fa go tlaabong go okeditswe madi a batlhoki ka teng, ke ne ke re kana moo tota ga se gore o dirile selo se sesha.

Ke plan e re ntseng re na le yone re le ba BDP mo manifesto wa rona.

Re tlhalositse gore we want to enhance social programmes ka mabaka a go dira social protection of disadvantaged groups.

Re a itse gore go na le batho ba ba vulnerable and they need assistance.

Tota ka fa re dirileng ka teng, re dirile kgang e ntle thata e ke e lebogelang fela thata Mr Speaker.
Gongwe we need to do a quick or rapid assessment ya aftermaths tsa COVID-19.

Re le Goromente re nne le a rapid assessment just to check, jaaka ke ntse ke utlwa bangwe ba rona ba bua ka unemployment gore it has gone very high, and it is true I agree, but there could be some people out there who were affected by COVID-19 such that they need assistance.

Kana ba bangwe ba kgona gore ba amege, mme motho a bo a ingwabaya fela a tshaba gore go tlaa twe ke motlhoki.
If we can have deliberate rapid assessment e dirwa ke local authorities tse ke mo go tsone, gongwe re ka kgona go bona batho ba ba iteilweng thata ke manokonoko a COVID-19.

Gender Based Violence (GBV) is one of the challenges we are facing in this country, and we need to drive our agenda as promised in our manifesto on page 43 Mr Speaker.

E e tlhalosang gore this Government wants to fight GBV.

Mo Energy ke ka se ka ka bua thata, ka gore ke a bona gore Minister wa Energy o a leka.
Se re se solofetseng kwa Kgaolong ya Kgatleng ke gore, there is a substation e e agiwang kwa Mochudi.

Re e lebeletse ka matlho a mashibidu, re bone gore e tlaa simolola go bereka leng.

Banana ga ba bereke mo Kgaolong ya Mochudi East Mr Speaker, I think we should have deliberate programmes tse di itebaganyang le banana, ka gore they form a larger part of our population, and fa re sa eme ka dinao… 50 Hansard No 205Tuesday 15th February, 2022APPROPRIATION (2022/2023) BILL, 2022 (NO.
2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) Fa ke tsamaela kwa bofelong Mr Speaker, ke lebogele dikole tse di dirileng sentle mo kgaolong ya me ka results tsa Standard 7 le Junior Certificate (JC); Sikwane Primary School le sekole sa Ramonaka tse di tsereng 7 and 8 in the country, both achieving 100 per cent pass rates, that is commendable.

Ga se la ntlha Sikwane e pasa, le last year e ne e pasitse.

Ke bile ka ba rekela a trophy, ke bo ke dira another trophy e e bidiwang gotwe ke floating trophy.
Go raya gore that floating trophy, jaanong e tlaabo e ya kwa Ramonaka.

I appreciate Mogoko wa sekole sa Sikwane, Mme Phetolo Gopolang le barutabana a gagwe le support staff who managed go boelela ba tsaya 100 per cent pass mo results tsa Standard 7.

Ke lebogela le barutabana ba ba neng ba tlhabolola results tsa bone, jaaka kwa dikoleng sa Kgafela, Oodi le Oliphant’s Drift ba ba neng ba nna le more than 19 per cent increase in their pass mark.
Golo moo is something that has to be commended, really encouraged and promoted.

So that bana e re mo nakong e e tlang, ba dire go fetisa foo.

Mr Speaker, fa ke setse ke tsamaela kwa bofelong ke batla gore ke dire mo gotweng ke summary ya me ya gore, ke kopa gore fela dikgang tse ke di buileng di agelwe mosako, bogolo jang kgang e e buang ka tsela ya Mabalane-Modipane.

Tsela eo e ngomola pelo ka gore NDP 11 e a fela, mme ga e a tsena.
Re e batla tota, go ya ka nna ke nngwe ya ditsela tse re tshwanetseng ra di emele ka dinao.

Le nthuseng Mr Speaker, I get absolutely overwhelmed when I think of this road, because it is key for my constituency, very important.

It is not only opening up markets for us, but in our everyday commute to work.

With the soaring rental and transportation fees tse di kwa dikgaolong tse re nnang kwa go tsone, re batla gore tsela eo e re thuse manokonoko.
Like I said, it is key, fundamental, rudimentary and very essential.

I can repeat that many times gore, ke yone e re tshwanetseng re e emele ka dinao re le Puso go bona gore e a dirwa.

Lastly Mr Speaker, I want to encourage Batswana especially ba Mochudi East to make sure that they participate in the Constitutional Review.
Maloba ke ne ka kgaogana schedule le bone, ka se tsenya mo Facebook Page ya me, ka gore ke lebeletse gore Kgaolo ya rona ya Kgatleng diphuthego tsa teng they will be go simolola ka 3rd March go ya kwa pele go tsena kwa go bo 10th.

Batswana ba tsamaye ba ye koo, le se ka la etsa ba bangwe la ngala, la re ga re a rerisiwa.

Rona re malalaalaotswe, ke tsaya gore ba botlhe re emetse Constitutional Review, and we really want to have our comments mo go yone.
E re kamoso Constitution e dirwa, le wena o boele fa morago o ipoke gore I was involved in the whole process of reconstructing the Constitution.

Ke rotloetsa Batswana botlhe, bogolo jang kgaolo ya me go batla mokento ka bonako.

Mariga a etla.

ga ke batle go bona pono ya ngwaga o o fetileng bagaetsho, re bona batho ba tsamaya ka dipalo tse di kanakana.

Bakgatla ba Mochudi East, emang ka dinao le ye go ikentang.

Ba le tshwanetseng go ya go tsaya boosters, le tsamaye le ye go tsaya boosters.
Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, ke akgele go le kalo, ke a leboga mongwame.

OF MINISTER YOUTH ASSISTANT EMPOWERMENT, SPORT AND CULTURE DEVELOPMENT (MR BILLY): Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, go bo o mphile sebaka se.

Ke simolole fela ka go leboga mmaarona Mme Peggy Serame, go bo a re file budget e mo go yone e itebagantseng le the social welfare ya setšhaba, e akaretsa Village Development Committee (VDC), Tandabala ya bagolo le destitute.
Go botlhokwa thata gore budget jaaka e ntse jaana, motho a bo a ka bua ka yone a e tlhalosa gore tota e lebeletse welfare ya setšhaba.

Ke dumela gore madi a VDC a ka tswa a le manyenyane, mme ke sengwe se ka one ba ka kgonang go itshetsa botoka, gona le ka fa ba neng ba tshela ka teng.

Kopo ya me ke gore, gongwe re se ka ra lebelela VDC e le bangwe fela ba ba tsamaisang tsa merero mo dikgaolong tsa rona, re ba rutuntshe.

Ba rutuntshiwe ka go tsamaisa, governance, ba tlhaloganye.
Fa re ba tlhabolola, planning tsa ga Goromente di simolola mo go bone.

Go botlhokwa gore ba itse how to set their priorities, tse kwa pheleletsong fa development e dirwa ba bo ba dirile seabe se se ka thusang mo kgolong ya itsholelo ya lefatshe.

Ke lebogele gape maduo a Constituency ya me ya Francistown East, e mo go yone dikole tsa Setlalekgosi, Selepa le Donga di supileng fa di itikile fela thata.

Ke leboge Bagokgo, barutabana, the support staff le batsadi.
Thuto kana e diragala ka gore, e a bo e kopanetswe ke Puso, batsadi, barutabana gammogo le bana, ke tshwanetse gore ke ba akgole gore ba dirile bontle.

Gantsi fa bana ba dirile bontle, go iteba rona re bo re re re ne ra provider infrastructure e e siameng, barutabana ba ne ba ruta sentle, re bo re lebala ba ba nnileng le seabe sa go leka go tokafatsa le yone thuto e bong bana, ke ba akgole fela thata.

51 Hansard No 205Tuesday 15th February, 2022APPROPRIATION (2022/2023) BILL, 2022 (NO.
2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, mma ke itebaganye le Sepatela sa Nyangabgwe which is a referral.

Tota ga ke itse gore e ke ka e bua ka tsela e e ntseng jang, ke ne ke batla go e bua ka tlotla yotlhe e e ntshwanetseng.

Selelo sa sepatela se se tlhomola pelo fa motho a robaditswe teng, ka gore sa ntlha fela dikobo ga di yo.

Fa motho a robaditswe sa ntlha se re se tlhokang ke kobo, molwetse ga a na nako ya gore go serame kana ga go serame.
O tlhokana le gore a bo a khurumeditswe, a apesitswe… …Silence… MR BILLY: Honourable Speaker, Hello!

MR SPEAKER: Yes, Minister.

MR BILLY: Ke latlhegile fa kae?

MR SPEAKER: Nnyaa ga o a latlhega, tswelela.

MR BILLY: Ke ne ke santse ke bua ka Sepatela sa rona sa Nyangabgwe gore, go botlhokwa gore se nne le didirisiwa tse di lekaneng.

Sepatela se kana tsholofelo ya teng ke gore, motho fa a isitswe kwa go sone o ka bona thuso e a ka se keng a e bona gope mo dipateleng tse dinyenyane.
O fitlhela equipment le specialists di seyo, fa motho fela a ya go alafiwa matlho mo Francistown kana mo tikologong go tsaya nako e telele.

Motho o tsaya go feta ngwaga go ya go bona ngaka ya matlho fela.

Fa budget e tla jaana, re lebe gore letlhoko le le tonatona le bonala kae gore re leke go tokafatsa diemo tse di teng.

Accommodation ya dingaka; ke dumela gore dingaka tsa re ga di duelwe madi a a kgotsofatsang.

Fa o ka lebelela accommodation ya bone, e kwa tlase fela thata.
Se se dirang mosuke ke gore, fa go ka dirwa a primary hospital, batho ba ka romelwa go tswa mo go sone ba ya kwa Nyangabgwe.

Sepatela se se nnile teng kwa NDP 9 le plot e teng kwa Gerald.

Se nnile teng mo NDP 10 le NDP 11.

Ke solofela gore maloba fa re dira ditogamaano, re se tsentse gape mo NDP 12.

Ke ipotsa gore matsapa di a tsaya kae?

Sepatela se se tswa kgakala re supa botlhokwa jwa gore se akarediwe.

Ke dumela gore ba botsogo ba a nkutlwa.

Go botlhokwa gore kgang e, re e sekegele tsebe.


Re tokafatse diemo ka fa di ntseng ka teng.

allowances tsa dibuka, o dira gore thuto ya bana ba rona e nne teng.

Re tshwanetse re lebelele re le botsadi gore thuto ya rona e se ka ya tshwantshiwa fela… Ba ba ka kgonang go duelela bana ba bone, ba tseye boikarabelo jwa go ba duelela, mme re lebeletse itsholelo ya bone.

Go kalwe ka itsholelo ya bone.

Ba ba kgonang go duela, ba duele.

Ba thuse ba ba sa kgoneng go duela.


Fa re ka tswelela madi a senyega ka fa a senyegang ka teng, e le gore mongwe le mongwe ngwana wa gagwe a duelelwe le fa a na le bokgoni, kwa pheletsong batho ba ba tshwanetseng ba lebagane le lenaneo le, le thuse bone, ba ya go felela ba tlhoka thuso ya go nna jalo.

Ke sengwe se re tshwanetseng re se lebelele, re se tokafatse.
Fa ke tsweletse gape ke bua ka toropo ya Francistown, authorities di pedi tse di lebaganeng le street lights, ke ba Botswana Power Corporation (BPC) le khansele.

O fitlhela go tsietsa.

Go tshwanetse go tle mo nakong ya gore street lights di lebagane le khansele di tswe mo BPC.

Fa authorities di le pedi, fa o ngongorega gore dipone ga di tshube, o bolelelwa gore ke BPC, fa o ngongorega gore ga di tshube, o bolelelwa gore ke khansele.
Fa go ka diragala gore authority e nne nngwefela, e e lebaganang le street lights, dipone tse di kwa Selepa, Donga... HONOURABLE MEMBER: Elucidation.

MR BILLY: Your Honour, ee rra.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Sorry, ga ke na go go tseela nako e ntsi.

MR SPEAKER: Yes, Vice President (VP).

HIS HONOUR THE VICE PRESIDENT (MR TSOGWANE): Point of elucidation.

Ke dumalane le wena mo go se o se buang.

O ne o tshwere ntlha ya botlhokwa ya the means test, ya gore batho ba ba kgonang, ba thusane le Puso.
Madi a a kabong a tsena mo ditlamelong tse dingwe, a dirisiwe mo ditlhabololong.

Rre Mmolotsi kgantele o ne a tshwantshanya Finland le kae, mme a sa tshwantshanye gore we are a welfare state.

Sengwe le sengwe se bona thuso kwa Pusong.

Ke dumalana le wena thata Tona gore a mme nako ga e ya goroga ya gore welfare e ntsintsi e fokodiwe, ditlhabololo di dirwe?

Ke a leboga Tona.

Mma ke fete ka eo, ke tsaya gore ke utlwetse.


Ke bue ka se Mma Serame a neng a bua ka sone gore o ne a lebeletse gore thuto ya rona e tsamaya sentle.

Goromente o tsere boikarabelo jwa go duelela sengwe le sengwe.

O duela accommodation ya bana, o fa bana MR BILLY: Ke a leboga go bo o ntladitse Your Honour.

Ke tsene mo internal roads.

Fa o ka lebelela ditsela tse di mo toropong, tse di thusang gore dikgwebo kana traffic e tsamaye motlhofo, di setse di fetilwe ke nako.

Lifespan ya tsone e setse e fedile.


Fa o ka lebelela ditsela 52 Hansard No 205Tuesday 15th February, 2022APPROPRIATION (2022/2023) BILL, 2022 (NO.

2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) tsa Selepa, Coloured, Newstance, Donga, Itekeng, Central Ward, Pelotelele le Area S, di feletswe ke nako.

Ke dumela gore Mma Serame o tlhalositse sentle gore CCP e ya go nna teng.
Ke dumela gore mo go yone, re le Francistown East Constituency, fa re ka itebaganya le ditsela tse, storm water drainage e e leng gore it has been planned since 2007 go fitlhelela letsatsi leno e ise e diragadiwe, re ka kgona go lwantsha.

Ga o ka ke wa dira ditsela o sa dira storm water drainage.

Ke dumela gore fa re ka dira jalo, re tlaabo re kgonne go fenya bothata jo bo leng teng.

Ditsela tsa rona di ka tokafala ka fa go tshwanetseng ka teng.
Dikompone tsa Batswana di hiriwa go dira tiro e. Ke sone se ke dumalanang le sone gore fa re bua ka inclusive economy, itsholelo e re ntseng re bua ka yone re e isa kwa bathong, go raya gore fa re dira the local companies, re tokafatsa itsholelo ya batho ba Francistown East Constituency.

Ke ikuele gore ba Water Utilities fa ba kgaola ditsela jaana, ba tshwanetse gore mo nakong e e rileng, ba di baakanye.
Pheletsong fa di sa dirwe, potholes di nna teng ka di tsetswe ke go kgaolwa tsela ke ba ditlamelo tsa metsi.

Ke itumelele Mma Serame gore tsela e re sa bolong go bua ka yone ya Ramatlabama-Ramokgwebana, e ya go dirwa.

E tlaabo e le ditsela tse pedi di lebile ntlha e le nngwefela, tse pedi di lebile ntlha e nngwe; dual carriageway.

Ke selo se se botlhokwa thata.

It is an economic corridor e e leng gore ka yone, activities tsa itsholelo tse di tswang kwa South di tlaabo di ya North go le motlhofo.
Toropo ya Francistown e ya go tswelwa mosola thata go gaisa ya Gaborone.

Francistown fa e leng teng, o siametswe ke go tswela kwa Zambia, Namibia, Zimbabwe, Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC) le Tanzania fela jalo.

Go raya gore dithoto tse di yang koo, di tlaabo di goroga ka nako, di le mo seemong se se siameng.

Security sa lefatshe, re tshwanetse re nne le tsela e e leng gore fa go na le bothata mo capital city, go nne le tsela e e ka ntshang dikoloi motlhofo around Gaborone.
Ba Special Economic Zone Authority (SEZA) ba file Francistown boikarabelo jwa go dira a Mining and Logistics Hub.

Fa diteraka di feta motlhofo ka Francistown jaana, go na le a dry port, meepo e e dikologileng, go raya gore itsholelo e ya go gola motlhofo.

Ke rata go fa sekai sa honey.

Fa o e baya gone foo, go tla notshi e nngwefela, mo nakong e rileng go tla tse pedi, 10, kgantele ga o ka ke wa tlhola o di bala.
Francistown le ene fa go nna le opportunities tsa ditsela tse di buiwang jaana, go nna le ditogamaano tse di dirwang ke ba SEZA, dithulaganyo tsa Mining and Logistics, and Transport Hub, go ya go diragala gore itsholelo ya yone e ye kwa godimo.

Go ya go gola ka gore population e a gola, activities tsa businesses di a go gola le tsone.
Ke sone se ke dumelang gore Budget e fa re ka e tsamaisa ka fa re buang ka teng, e ka re tswela mosola thata re lebeletse tsela e. Tsela e ke yone e golaganyang Francistown-Kazungula road.

Fa re na le Francistown- Kazungula road, go nna motlhofo go ya teng.

Fa o batla go ya Kazungula, o tsamaya sentle go le motlhofo, re lebeletse bridge jo re bo agileng jole.

Bridge jole ga bo a tshwanela go nna o kare bo mo sekakeng.

Bo tshwanetse go golagana le Francistown.


Dikoloi tsotlhe tse di tsenang mo borogong jwa Kazungula, di tshwanetse di fete ka Francistown.

Sepe se se diragalang sa itsholelo, Francistown e tshwanetse e tswelwe mosola.

Re tle re bone ditiro tse bontsi jwa tsone bo neng jwa fela.

Bontsi jwa ditiro bo feditswe ke gore meepo e ne ya tswalwa.

Re tlhokana le tsela e gore e tle e re thuse go baakanya itsholelo ya Francistown.
Ke lebogela gape gore o ne o tlhalosa gore Recurrent Budget re tshwanetse re simolole go tswa mo go yone, re itebaganya thata le Development Budget.

Re fokotse wage bill ya rona.

Wage bill ya rona fa e le kwa godimo, go raya gore e ama itsholelo.

Re nna le lefatshe le e leng gore consumes.


Jaanong fa Development Budget ya rona e le kwa godimo, e ka dira infrastructure, mebereko ka lebaka la gore go tlhabolola the land scape ya lefatshe, go dirwa ditlhabololo tse di yang go dira mebereko e seng kana ka sepe.

Ke dumalana le wena gore ke sengwe se re tshwanetseng gore re se ele tlhoko fela thata.
Ya ditiro ga ke ka ke ka fetsa go bua ka yone ka gore budget e e itebagantse le gore e tlhame mebereko e itebagantse le priorities tsa ga His Excellency (HE) kana Tautona wa lefatshe tsa bo value chains tse a neng a bua gore re tshwanetse gore re lebelele value chains mo agriculture le manufacturing.
Ke dingwe tse e reng fa re di lebeletse under agriculture fa re ka tokafatsa small stock, but not only it, re tokafatsa le value chains tse o ka di fitlhelang mo go yone le feeds tse di ka dirwang ka temo le vegetables and fruits tse di ka lemiwang mo lefatsheng la Botswana, re ka tokafatsa itsholelo ya lefatshe.

Se sengwe se ke eletsang gore re bue ka sone ke tsamaiseng Goromente.
E transparency mo go botlhokwa fela thata ka gore fa go nang le transparency teng, go nna le less corruption kana tshenyetso-setšhaba 53 Hansard No 205Tuesday 15th February, 2022APPROPRIATION (2022/2023) BILL, 2022 (NO.

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Ke rotloetse gore re tshwanetse re tswelele ka go nna transparent, Goromente a direle dilo tsa gagwe mo pontsheng go fokotsa tshenyetso- setšhaba.
Le gone gape fa re le transparent, re dira gore fa batsayadikgang ba berekelang teng go nne le tshosologo mo e leng gore ba ka kwala dilo tse di nang le boammaaruri.

Fa go ntse jalo, ba nna le gore ba kwale dilo tse di nang le boammaaruri ba bo ba ka bapatsa (market) lefatshe la rona.

Kana media is powerful.

Fa o ka kwala dilo tse e seng tsone, pheletsong ke gore batho ba ya go dumela gore se se kwalwang ke media ke sone se se diragalang.
Suppose bakwaladikgang ba kwala gore lefatshe la Botswana le corrupt, ope who wants to invest mo lefatsheng la Botswana o tlaabo a akanya gore I am going to a corrupt haven.

Se se leng teng ke gore fa go le transparent in the running of the Government, go ya go nna motlhofo gore bakwaladikgang ba kwale sone se se diragalang.
Dilo tse dintsi tse di diragalang o fitlhela e le gore di kwalwa di sena boammaaruri ka lebaka la gore bakwaladikgang ga ba a phuthologa mme go tshwanetse gore ba phuthologe ba kwale boammaaruri ka lefatshe la rona.

Opportunities in business di teng tse e leng gore gongwe fa re ka di dira di ka tokafatsa itsholelo ya rona.

Mma ke itebaganye le Reset Agenda.


Acceleration ya development thatathata re lebeletse entrepreneurship landscape e e leng gore mo go yone jaaka re dira le ba Botswana Investment and Trade Centre (BITC) ba rutuntsha (train) banana kwa Jwaneng go dira tenders, ke sengwe se se ka tokafatsang itsholelo ya rona ka bonako.

Go tlhokana le gore entrepreneurship e godisiwe gore banana ba kgone go ikemela ba itse gore you do not go to school to work for the Government.
You go to school and work for the Government or you can create employment gore o hire banana ba bangwe mo go yone.

Ke sengwe se se ka tsholetsang itsholelo ka ponyo leitlho kana mo nakong e khutshwanyane.

Opportunities tse dingwe tse di teng for young people ke gore re tshwanetse go dira agriculture thata mo toropong, segolo jang toropo e tshwana le ya Francistown.
Ba CEDA ba tshwanetse to push gore go nne le urban agriculture e e leng gore mo go yone go ya go dirisiwa the hydroponics, mo e leng gore ga o tlhokane le le lefatshe le le ntsi go dira.

Ke yone e e siametseng thata backyard business kana backyard agriculture ka gore o ya go dirisa space se se nnyennyane mme production ya gago e le ntsi.

Ke sengwe se e leng gore se ka tokafatsa botshelo mo toropong ya Francistown.
Ba Local Enterprise Authority LEA and CEDA ba tshwanetse gape ba itebaganye le gore kana we have facilities tse di tshwanang le landfills tse go latlhelwang matlakala teng.

Landfill e se ka ya nna landfill fela e gotweng re ya go latlhela matlakala mo teng.

Ba tshwanetse ba lebelele other opportunities that can come from the landfill re lebeletse the bio-energy e e leng gore e ka diragala kwa landfill.
Re se ka ra tlogela landfill e senyega fela jalo but we should generate jobs and recycling e e ka dirwang ka dilo tse di latlhelwang teng.

The other untapped opportunities tse di leng mo Francistown ke fish farming.

Fish farming, why Francistown?


Market wa Francistown ke Zambia and Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC) because ditlhapi tse di jewang thata tse dintsi tse di mo DRC di tswa mo Zambia di ka tswa mo Francistown ka gore ditsela tse ke ntseng ke bua ka tsone tse di ka dira a link ya go dira gore fish farming e nne motlhofo go e dira mo Francistown.

Re tshwanetse re lebelele Francistown gore o ka re tlisetsa opportunities to create ditiro ka gore already market wa yone ke mo Africa ka bophara.
Se sengwe se motho a tshwanetseng gore a bue ka sone ke gore the bakery business e tshwanetse e godisiwe mo Francistown ka gore through LEA, go na le officer e e beilweng foo e e itebagantse le bakery kana go dira biscuits.

Fa o ka lebelela biscuits tse di mo Botswana di a tura.

Di turusiwa ke gore biscuits tse bontsi jwa tsone di tswa kwa lefatsheng la South Africa.
Ke batla go go bontsha sengwe fela Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente se se leng motlhofotlhofo go se dira se se ka hirang palo e e seng kana ka sepe ya batho.

Production fela ya biscuits e ka dira khiro e e seng kana ka sepe ya setšhaba because already the market is there.

Market ke o ke ntseng ke bua ka one wa mafatshe a ke ntseng ke bua ka one.
Se se ka dirang gore re kgone ke gore production fa e nna ntsi, we should ban the import ya bakery stuff jaaka borotho and biscuits tse di tswang kwa ntle fela jaaka re dirile mo vegetables.

Motho o ka ipotsa gore a mme mo vegetables re tsweletse sentle?

Karabo ke ee, re tsweletse sentle.

Go tshwanetse gore go nne le challenges fale le fale ka lebaka la gore ba ba ntseng ba dira, producing fruits and vegetables, ba ne ba sa dire ba ipheleleditse, ba ne ba dira e le part-time business.
Now ba ya go dira e se go intsha bodutu, ba itse gore market o teng ka gore go setse go supagala gore the demand is more than the supply.

Re batla to change this equation gore the supply e nne more than the demand so that production ya processes tse dingwe e diragadiwe 54 Hansard No 205Tuesday 15th February, 2022APPROPRIATION (2022/2023) BILL, 2022 (NO.

2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) jaaka fa re lebeletse ditamati, so that tomato sauce e kgone go nna teng e e dirilweng mo Botswana.
Dilo tse di kgona go diragala fela e le gore we give one another support, makalana a a dirilweng jaaka bo CEDA le LEA ba a finance le go tokafatsa the requirements.

Checklist ya CEDA gompieno, … OF MINISTER ASSISTANT LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND RURAL DEVELOPMENT (MS MONNAKGOTLA): Clarification motlotlegi.

Ke a go leboga ka puo e o e buang e ntle eo ya gore vegetables di bo di tswaletswe.

Ke utlwile motlotlegi mongwe o kare ga a dumalane le yone.
Ke utlwa o e bua bontle gore golo mo gore go tswalelwe vegetables gore di se ka tsa tswa kwa South Africa, go tlaa direla Batswana mmereko.

Ka fa o e bonang ka teng motlotlegi, a o e bona e le gore e tlaa dira mebereko kana e le kgang e e siameng thata?

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

MR BILLY: Ke a leboga Honourable Member.

Ke selo se se siameng thata.

The programmes tse re di dirang, re di dira re bo re di direla melao e e tsamaelanang le tsone.
We have what we call support feeding programme at primary schools.

So, support feeding programmes tse ke tsone tse re di dirileng so that rona re le Batswana re bo re tsena mo dikgwebong tsa go lema le go ntsha (produce) dilo tse e leng gore already the market is available.

Market o ke buang ka one o, ke batla go o lebaganya le banana le bomme gore market ke oo and let us take advantage of all the programmes tse di dirwang ke Goromente.
Decision e e tserweng e ya go kganela vegetables go tswa kwa lefatsheng le re bapileng le lone is a good idea.

We are not saying the seeds di se ka tsa nna teng mme ra re go se ka ga tsena vegetables.

Kwa pheletsong the availability of seeds e ya go gola le yone because kana mo gongwe o ya go fitlhela motho a a ja legapu mme a tlhokana le peo ya legapu.

Fa a fetsa o latlha legapu a bo a latlha le peo ya teng.

Itse gore o ja lagapu, o baya peo eo mme kamoso o itirela production ya gago.
Ke sengwe se re tshwanetseng go rotloetsa Batswana go se dira gore ba kgone go godisa itsholelo ya rona.

Fa o ka lebelela fruits and vegetables mo kgweding ya April to December last year go tsene tsa madi a a kanaka P800 Million.

A re tseye gore P800 Million o o ne a dirwa mo Botswana, re ka bo re bua gore someone is rich, yo mongwe ke millionaire letsatsi leno, a dirwa ke decision e e tserweng ke Goromente wa lefatshe la Botswana.
Re tshwanetse re dire ditiro that can sustain lefatshe, they can reduce the import bill and Government wage bill.

Ke sengwe se re tshwanetseng gore re lebagane le sone.

Mma ke tabogele kwa ministry o ke leng mo go one, wa Ministry of Youth Empowerment, Sport and Culture Development (MYSC)… MR MOATLHODI: Clarification Mr Speaker.

Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, ke a leboga Motlotlegi Tona.
Ka phakela Motlotlegi Brooks o boditse mongwe a mo raya a re, jaaka re tswetse borders jaana gore digoronti di se ka tsa tsena, mme rona re rekisa dikgomo kwa baagisanying, fa e ka re kamoso ba re raya ba re se tliseng dikgomo re tlaa nna ba ga mang?

What is your take on this one Honourable Assistant Minister?

MR BILLY: Kana re tshwanetse re itse gore re Goromente, re lefatshe le le ikemetseng.

We should make decisions for ourselves, tse e leng gore they favour itsholelo ya rona.
So ga ke tseye gore go isa dikgomo kwa go bone…they are also benefiting, ga ba ka ke ba re ga re batle dikgomo, mme e le bone that consume them go feta rona.

Ke sengwe se re tshwanetseng gore re se ele tlhoko gore, we should make decisions for our country that favours batho ba rona.

Ke ne ke re ke tabogela kwa MYSC, ke tlhalose gore kwa MYSC go na le dilo tse e leng gore fa re ka sala affirmative action that favours banana, e ka re thusa thata to create employment; employment creation.
Ke lebeletse cattle chasing tenders tse mo go tsone 30 per cent e fiwang banana.

Mme eo ya go ntsha dikgomo mo ditseleng ga e tlhokane le gore o bo o le skilled, o bo o tsene sekole.

Ke nngwe e e ka ntshang banana mo ditseleng, so that is creation of employment.

Open spaces le tsone banana ba ka dira vending.


Ke batla go kopa ba land boards, ke kopa ba ba nang le authority ya go aba lefatshe la open spaces, ke re, a re, feng banana open spaces ba simolole dikgwebo tsa bone ba kgone to sustain matshelo a bone.

Reservation of maintenance; that is 15 per cent, a banana ba fiwe to maintain dikago tsa ga Goromente ka gore they are covered by affirmative action e re e tsereng go tokafatsa matshelo a bone.
Price differences; re a itse gore banana stand at 15 per cent, e le a price difference, e le margin o monana a simololang to be marked ka one.

So a maphata otlhe, sister ministries, a re thusaneng, go thusa banana, go tlhabolola banana, because businesses tsa banana re ne re dira this affirmative action re itse gore monana ga a na kitso e e kalo, o tlhokana le gore re mo fe a support structure, kana guidelines tse di ka mo thusang gore business ya gagwe e kgone go tsamaya sentle.
55 Hansard No 205Tuesday 15th February, 2022APPROPRIATION (2022/2023) BILL, 2022 (NO.

2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) Cut lines, firebreak tenders; mo go dirang gore melelo e se ka ya tlola ditsela e tlolela ka kwa, ke selo se se ka dirwang ke mongwe le mongwe, a o tsene sekole kana ga a se tsena.

These tenders di tshwanetse gore maphata, ba agriculture le itse gore 30 per cent ya tenders tse di fiwe banana.
Tender documents also banana ba a di reka, all ministries, Government departments, banana ba tshwanetse ba reke tenders at 50 per cent.

Ke sone se se ka lekang fela go tokafatsa matshelo a banana.

Ke batla go tlhalosa gore, fa gongwe fa businesses tsa banana di sa tsamaye sentle, banana ba kgobega marapo ke gore, banana ba tlaa fola ba reka tenders, fa ba tshwanetse gore ba fenye tenders kana there are cartels tse e leng gore ke tsone tse di tshwanetseng to win tenders fela.

This thing must stop.


Kana fa re bua ka corruption that is corruption, fa e le gore go na le batho ba ba tshwanetseng gore ba fenye tenders e le bone fela, but the rest of the people ba sa tshwanela to win tenders.

Tenders tsa rona tse di tshwanetse di dirwe, di nne fair.

Ke gore go se ka gatwe tender e emisitswe mme o sa busetswe madi a tender eo.

Ke dingwe tse e leng gore they discourage banana thata tse re kopanang le tsone fa re bua ka development ya banana.
Seo se ka leka go tokafatsa fa e le gore se ya go dirwa ka fa go tshwanetseng ka teng, se ka tokafatsa matshelo a banana.

Banana ba tshwanetse ba ikopanye le ministry wa MYSC ka gore re ba tshwaretse affirmative action e e tlhalosang ka bophara gore what are the benefits of banana mo Pusong ya bone.

Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, taboka Mbidzi.

MR NKAWANA (SELEBI PHIKWE EAST): Mma ke go leboge Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.
Ke simolole ka go dumedisa Batswana kwa gae, kwa Selebi Phikwe le Kgaolo ya Mmadinare.

Mr Speaker, ke leboge barutabana le bana ba dikole tse di nnyennyane, tse di kgolwane, go bo ba dirile tiro e e gakgamatsang ya gore fa gare ga matshwenyego a a kanakana a bolwetse le tlhaelo ya ditlamelo ba bo ba dirile jaaka ba dirile jaana.

Maduo a bone ke a a itumedisang.

Ke akgole bana gore ba nne ba iteke go ya pele.


Barutabana le bone ba itshoke, le bone ke ba lebogele gore ba bo ba na le bopelotelele, gore e re go le thata mme gone ba kgone go dira se se tshwanetseng.

Ke bue le batsadi ke re boitshoko jo ke gone jaaka re ruta bana ba rona, le fa go sa tshwanela gore re nne mo tshotlegong e e kalo.
Mr Speaker, gompieno jaaka re bua jaana kutlobotlhoko ke gore, go le bolwetse jwa leroborobo kwa Selebi Phikwe re kgaoletswe metsi, dijarata ga di na metsi, ga re itse gore re tlaa tlhapa diatla ka eng gore re sale melawana ya botsogo morago.

Le fa go ntse jalo ke re ke solofela fa boeteledipele bo tlaa tsibogela kgang e, gore le fa re ka tswa re kolota ga se gore ke ka keletso ya rona, ke ka fa botshelo bo ntseng ka teng, bo leng bokete ka teng.
A batho ba Selebi Phikwe ba utlwilwe botlhoko botsadi, a re ba utlweleng botlhoko, ga go na mebereko, go tlala jalojalo.

Mme ke leboge Tona yo o tlisitseng pego ya gagwe ya go kopa madi mo Palamenteng.

Ke mo lebogele gore a bo a tlisitse pego eo fa pele ga rona.

Ke supe jaana gore, kana gompieno lefatshe lotlhe ka bophara mafatshe a mo mathateng a bolwetse, a itsholelo.
Le fa mafatshe a le mo mathateng a itsholelo sengwe se tshwanetse sa dirwa, le bone ba dira maiteko a gore ba kgone to graduate mo mathateng a. Mo go rona ke gakologelwa Tona a supa gore mo mading a re nang le one go na le tlhaelo go fitlhelela dikeletso le ditiro tse di re emeng pele, mme tlhaelo e o supa gore o ka e kgona ka go bo a adimile madi.

Re ne re adima madi maloba, gompieno re a adima.


E bile ka fa ke utlwang a bua ka teng re tlile go tswelela re ntse re adima gore re kgone go dira ditiro tsa rona.

Seo fela kwa tshimologong fela ke gore, Motswana a simolole go bona gore re mo mathateng.

Mathata a matona!

lefatshe le mo mathateng.


Re setse re le lefatshe la bo machonisa, le bone bo machonisa ba setse ba itse gore fa ba tshotse madi a mantsi a ba sa itseng kwa ba ka a dirisang teng, ba a tobetsa ba itse gore molaetsa o tlaa goroga kwa Botswana, re tlaa tla re tabogile.

Ke supe mo go Minister gore, golo mo ga se selo se se siameng.

Ke gore le gone re bo re boka, re duduetsa, re ipoka gore re ya go adima madi jaaka e kete batho ba fentse lotto.
Go adima madi ga se selo se re ka se dudueletsang, ra letsa megolokwane.

Re tshwanetse gore re le Palamente e re le fa re se buisana fa e le gore re a dumalana, re dumele ka meno a maleele gore re tsenya lefatshe mo mathateng.

Re tsenya bana ba rona ba kamoso mo mathateng, ga re itse gore ba ya go intsha jang.

Ke re Tona e re dilo tse fa a di bua jaana, le Palamente e ko e sekaseke mabaka a gore e tlaa tsenya tlhako kgamelong.
Gongwe motho a bo a botsa gape a ipotsa gore a mme gone ka ke utlule Minister a re o tlaa adima kwa ntle, a mme gone go raya gore re tlaabo re feditse (exhausted) internal resources?

Kana mo gae ga gona baadimise ba re ka adimang mo go bone go na le gore re adime kwa mafatsheng, re taboge re ye kwa bo China, Russia, World Bank, jalojalo?

Kgantele International Monetary Fund (IMF) e bo e goroga e re bolelela gore re tshwanetse jaanong re tsamaise itsholelo jang.
56 Hansard No 205Tuesday 15th February, 2022APPROPRIATION (2022/2023) BILL, 2022 (NO.

2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) Re ne re le lefatshe le re neng re ikgantsha ka gore re ne re bereka re sena intervention ya IMF.

Tse ke dikai tsa ntlha tsa tshimologo ya khumanego, ya bodidi jwa nta ya tlhogo fa re tsamaya fa re leng teng.

Batswana ba se ka ba dumela gore itsholelo e tsamaisiwa sentle e bile Minister yo o tlang o tla ka dipe tse di botoka.
Tota pego ya gagwe e supa gore we are from bad to worse.

Re tswa kwa re neng re le teng re le botoka, jaanong re tsamaya fa e leng gore re fa gare ga bodiba mme e bile e kare re tsamaela kwa bodiba bo leng boteng teng.

Motho mme le gone Mr Speaker, a botse gore le fa go ntse jalo, fa e le gore ga gona ditsela tse re ka dirang ka tsone gore re lebelele, re leke go adima mo mekgatlhong e e mo gae fa e le gore ba na le madi, a ga re ka ke ra kgona go adima mo go bone?
Le gone ke bo ke ipotsa Mr Speaker, gore fa re adima jaana, who is going to benefit from madi one a a tlaabong a adimilwe?

Ke bua jaana ke lebile rona ba re kwa Selebi Phikwe gore a re tlaa nna le seabe fa jaaka go tlaabo go adimiwa jaana?

A e tlaa re go adimilwe madi a, letlhoko la rona le re ntseng re le baya pele, le rona re tswe ka sengwe?

A ditirelo tse re di tlhokang kwa motseng wa rona wa Selebi Phikwe di tlaa bona thuso?
Re eletsa gore e re fa go diragala jaana, le rona re tsenngwe mo palong, re lebelelwe jaaka batho ba le bone ba nang le tshwanelo ya meamuso yotlhe ya lefatshe la Botswana.

Ke batla gape ke bue ka kgang ya ga Minister e a neng a bua gore go simolola gompieno o ya go sekaseka makgotla a Puso a a ikemetseng ka nosi gore a mangwe o batla go a bolaya, a mangwe o batla go a kopanya a ditirelo tsa one di lebegang di bapile, ba dira tiro e e tshwanang.
Ke maiteko Tona mme re tshwanetse ra lemoga gape gore kana le tsone ditiro tse tsa makgotla a, di ne di tla ka gore bangwe batho ba ne ba itlhamela mebereko.

O itse gore mo Botswana go motlhofo go itlhamela mmereko.
Mongwe le mongwe yo o nang le keletso ya gore… Go na le kereke e nngwe jaana ba tlaa intshwarela, ga ke na go e bua ka leina, batho ba teng fa ba nna 100, morago ga malatsinyana go tswa dikereke tse pedi tse tharo gotwe wena emela fale o ye go etelela e nngwe, kamoso emela fale o ye go etelela e nngwe mme re tshwana le batho ba dikereke tsa mohuta oo.

Fela fa sengwenyana se re se a re e bile re ema ka dinao, motho o ema ka dinao; nna ke batla go nna le lekgotla le, a bo a le bitsa ka leina.
Yo mongwe kamoso o tla gape, le ene o tla ka lekgotla le lengwe a bo a le bitsa ka leina mme go sa reye gore tiro e a e dirang e pharologanyo mo go ya yo mongwe, e le fela fa gongwe go fetola maina le posts di bo di sa tshwane.

Se se salang ke gore re sala e le gore Chief Executive Officers (CEOs) kgantele they flourish, Minister le ene o itse gore o na portfolio e tona ka gore she supervises batho ba le bantsi.
Jaanong gone mo fa re ntse re aga empires tse ditona, re tsaya gore re tlaa lemogiwa botoka ka gore ke bo ke na le organisations le maphata a mantsi, go tsala gone gore re iphitlhele e le gore kgantele le gone ga go laolesege, budget le yone e godile, e godiswa ke gone gore re okeditse maphatana fa jaaka go ntse.

Ke bue gape ka gore a mme jaaka Minister a ne a bua gore le fa gone a re o ya go kopanya maphata a, le fa a dira jalo, o supile gore go na le le lengwe le a batlang go le dira.
E tlaa re fa ngwaga o simologa wa madi ka April, a bo a setse a dirile lephata la mohuta oo.

Kana re ntse re boela kwa re neng re le teng.

Motho o ka botsa gore lone lephatana le, a tiro ya lone ga e ka ke ya dirwa ke mo go ntseng go le teng ka fa tlase ga Minister yo e leng gore functions tse, ba a di dira ba ntse ba le gone koo?
Fa o bona re simolola jaana, ke yone kgang e ke ntseng ke e bua gore go a bo go simolola moruti yo mongwe wa kereke e nngwe gore le ene a emele fale, a bo a re ke ka dira botoka fa ke le nosi.

Mr Speaker, keletso ya me ke gore ke bue le Tona gore fa jaaka a tlaabo a kopanya maphata a jaana a bolaya a mangwe, mme kana go na le a e leng gore ka bonna ke dumela gore one ga gona gore re ka a kopanya le afe, ga re ka ke ra a thuba.

E bile ka boone, a batla gore a tsenngwe leitlho, a neelwe madi a a lekaneng.
Ke ka ntsha sekai ka Air Botswana jaaka a ne a supa gore maphata a tshwanetse gore a simolole a itirele madi.

Go na le tumelo ya gore Air Botswana e palelwa ke tiro le go ikemela, e dependent mo go Goromente.

Boammaaruri ke gore ee ka gore go tswa kwa tshimologong, we have never fully resourced Air Botswana.

Air Botswana e tlhokana le gore e neelwe madi a a lekaneng.
Mo sebakeng sa gompieno re ka bo re le kgakala, re na le flying machines tse ditona tse di yang kwa mafatsheng go re tseela batho, di isa batho koo.

Ke tlaa bua jaana ke lebile gore mo bojanaleng ka gore bojanala jwa rona bo beile mo bathong ba ba tswang kwa mafatsheng, ba ka puo ya sejanala sa Botswana re reng ke Makgoa, tse di tsayang makgoa from the source.

Ke monka sediba se le koo, o ya go ga metsi gone mme ga go batle basekele, go batla re tsamaya ka flying machines.
Ga go batle re baya mo mafatsheng a mangwe, go batla re nna brave, re ipolelele gore for the next two years, re rekile flying machines e tona e e rwalang batho ba bantsi.

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2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) HONOURABLE MEMBER: Elucidation.
ipolelela gore mo MR NKAWANA: Re bo re dingwageng tse pedi ga re solofele profit mo go yone, re tlwaetsa route le batho ba koo ba kwa mafatsheng route ya gore go ka iwa kwa Botswana o sa tsena ka Malawi, South Africa, Namibia, Zimbabwe le Zambia.

E le gore o ka tla kwa Botswana o tlhamaletse wa goroga, wa ba wa boela kwa ga lona.
Mo Botswana re na le resources, mafelo a boitapoloso, a bojanala a a lekaneng gore motho o ka tla mo Botswana a nna malatsi a le 10, 20, 30 a sa ye gope fela, a bo a boela kwa ga bone.

Ke utlwile mongwe a kopa clarification.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ke ne ke re elucidation.

MR SPEAKER: Honourable Ramogapi.

MR RAMOGAPI: Elucidation.

Ke go tlatse gore o bua mafoko a a monate thata comrade.
A mme Tona o a itse e bile o a tlhaloganya sentle gore fa a re o ya go kopanya maphata one a parastatals, go ya go dira letlhoko la ditiro le le seng kana ka sepe?

Mo go rayang gore batho ba Modimo go ntse go na le letlhoko la ditiro, go ya go nna le le lengwe gape fa godimo.
Go bo go raya gore jaanong dipalo tse a neng a bua ka tsone tse a re 27 per cent ke letlhoko la ditiro, kana go raya gore jaanong le ya go ya kwa go bo 35 mme e le fa go gatang Domkrag, e koba batho mo ditirong mme e sa bua mo manifesto wa bone gore e ya go kgaola batho.

O e gatelele thata kgang eo.

Ke a leboga.

MR NKAWANA: O e tshwere sentle Honourable Ramogapi wa Palapye.
Go a tshwenya mme tota se se tshwenyang se ke se lebileng ke gore go na le mathata a gore fa re lebile, go na le kgonagalo ya gore re simolole go bona parastatals tse di tlaabong di kopanngwa, di tswalwa, di reng; bangwe ba bone ga ba ye go hirwa sentle, bangwe ga ba ye go kobiwa sentle.

Kopo e motho a ka e neelang Tona ke gore a ko re beye mo goreng based on merit, gore re tsaya mang, ga re tseye mang.

Re dumele thatathata mo meritocracy.


Re se ka ra re ka gore ke ngwana wa ga mmangwane, ke lesika lame, o sa le a berekile, ke mo Domkrag kgotsa ke mo UDC, ga re mo tlhoke.

Re beye mo go reng re lebile bokgoni jwa motho le tiro e re tlaa bong re e mmeile pele.
Seo ke se e leng gore se a tshwenya, rotlhe re tshogetse bana ba rona, bo ntsalaarona ba ba tshwereng maemo a mofuta oo gore a mme bone ga ba ye go tsewa ka lesolegolo ka gore bone gongwe ba na le tebego fa ba tsamaya jaaka e kete ke batho ba ba sympathetic to opposition.

Tota e se gore ba sympathetic le gore ba dira dilo sentle ka gore rona kwa UDC re dumela mo go reng dilo di tlaa dirwa sentle, di direlwa mo pontsheng.
Re dumela mo go reng re tlaa dirisa manifesto wa rona e seng o o kopisitsweng wa ga Honourable Motaosane.

Re dumela mo go reng manifesto wa rona ke one wa ntlha go dirwa, wa ga Motaosane o ne a o kopisa kwa morago, ba dira wa bobedi re lebile ditlhopho ba bona gore wa rona o a ba gaisa.

Moo o tshwanetse gore a go gakologelwe honourable.

Ke utlwile a tswala ka gore go na le lefoko la go kopisa, ga ke itse gore go kopisa gone o a go tlhaloganya gore go tewa eng.
Mr Speaker, mma ke buise kgang ya ga Tona ya gore she has declared gore social welfare; bo Ipelegeng, vulnerable groups le botlhe ba ba mo lephateng la mofuta oo, ba tlaa okelediwa ka P100.

A go nne jalo, mme ga re sepe, in is a drop in the ocean.
Kana mo manifesto wa rona, re ne re bua gore bagodi ba amogele P 1500, re lebile seemo sa botshelo ka nako yone e. Fa Puso ya Domkrag e ne e re tsere tsia, ya re reetsa, e ka bo gompieno e re fa a bua a bo a re re okeletsa batho ka P100 gore ba tswe mo go P1 500 e nne P1 600.

Jaanong utlwa gore re santse re bua gore gore ba tswe mo go P500 ba ye kwa go P600.

O bona fela gore ga go a tlhoafalwa, mme mongwe o tlaa utlwa a re re mo kopiseditse.
Mr Speaker, re tshwanetse tsa tlhoafala, ra tsaya batho ka tlhoafalo, ra lebelela the cost of living mo Botswana gore fa o neela motho P500, P600 a na le ngwana a tsena sekole, a palama combi, o mo rekela dijo, seshabo, sengwe le sengwe, le wena o palama combis go ya kwa Ipelegeng, wena o sala ka eng.

Kana Ipelegeng ga se gore batho ba phakela ba tsewa ka buses kwa malwapeng ba isiwa kwa site kwa go direlwang teng.
Ba tsamaya ka dinako mo marigeng, ba sena ditlhako le dilo tse di ntsi tse ba di tlhokang, go sena dijo.

Le yone fona ele e sa tlhole e le teng.

Mr Speaker, dilo tse re tshwanetse re di tseye ka tlhoafalo.

E re fa re gakololwa, ke ba ba nang le megopolo e e tshwanang le yone e ya rona, e ke ka bong ke re e botoka go feta ya lona, ba reediwa.

Ga se gore go nna le dipalo go raya gore ba ba senang dipalo ga ba na megopolo e e botoka.
Ga se gore fa o na le bana ba le 10 mo lwapeng, o botoka go gaisa wa bana ba le babedi.

Seo ga se boammaaruri, boammaaruri ke gore… (Interruptions)… MR KEORAPETSE: On a point of elucidation.

Honourable Member o e tshwere sentle.

A o a lemoga gore mafatshe a re ka tshwantshanngwa le one ka itsholelo; South Africa, Namibia, Mauritius, Seychelles, 58 Hansard No 205Tuesday 15th February, 2022APPROPRIATION (2022/2023) BILL, 2022 (NO.
2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) ba duela bagodi ba bone old page pension e e fetang ene P1 500 yo o neng a buiwa ke UDC.

Le gone gore o a bona gore ke madi a a ka kgonegang fa o lebelela mafatshe a a comparable to us ka itsholelo, a duela go feta rona.

MR NKAWANA: Ke a leboga Honourable.

O e tshwere sentle.

Go a tshosa, e bile go a hakgamatsa gore fa o bua ka South Africa gore bagodi Ba bone ba neelwa madi a a fetang P1 500 mme dijo tse re di rekang, di tswa kwa go bone.
Bone ba bona gore P1 500 ga a lekana batho ba bone gore ba ka reka dijo mo Choppies kana Spar.

Rona ba e leng gore dijo, dithoto, ditlhako di tswa kwa South Africa, mahura, sengwe le sengwe, cement… HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification Rre Nkawana.

MR NKAWANA: Iketle pele honourable, ke a itse gore o Minister, ke tlaa go neela, ke a go tlotla.

Didirisiwa tsotlhe tse bagodi ba di dirisang, di tswa kwa South Africa, mme re na le tumelo ya gore madi a rona a ka reka go feta a South Africa.
Mma ke eme gone foo ke go e neele motho wa mme.

MS MONNAKGOTLA: On a point of clarification.

Thank you Mr Speaker, mme e bile ke leboge le Motlotlegi Nkawana.

Ke mmotse gore, a o itse gore fa a tshwantshanya madi a bagodi ba Botswana le ba South Africa, a o itse gore bagodi ba South Africa ba ithekela medication mo teng fa madi a ba a fiwang one ao?

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.


MR NKAWANA: O bua nnete, ke a go leboga Honourable Minister, ba ithekela medication as if mo Botswana le na le melemo yotlhe e bagodi ba e tlhokang.

Bagodi ba rona ba tlhola ba tlhotlhoma mo nageng mo ba leka go batla melemo e le ba e solofeditseng, e seo.

Melemo ya high blood ga e yo, batho ba swela mo mantlong melemo e seo mme ba ntse ba neelwa ene P500 yo.

Fa ba ne ba kgona, ba ka bo ba ya kwa private, e a bo ele teng mo di private.
Fa le ne leba neela P1 800, gongwe le bone ba ne ba ka dira jaaka ba South Africa, ba tlhoboga dipatela tsa ga Goromente ba ya go ithekela kwa di leng teng.

Ke lebogela kgakololo eo Mothusa Tona.

Mr Speaker, mma ke bue ka tsela e Minister a neng a bua gore A1 o batla gore e nne dual carriage, ke gore go tswa fa ke a bona go ya go tsena kwa Ramokgwebana ka kwa ntlheng ele ya bogwagwadi jwame ka kwa gore e bo e le tsela e e leng gore dikoloi di kgona go tlhomagana, di fapaana di sa bapana thata.
Ke re ee, fa e le gore ke yone budget ya 2022/2023 e re ka solofelang gore tsela eo e bo e dirilwe, motho o ka e leletsa mogolokwane.

Jaanong kana batho ke ba ga ba tshabe go bua fela ba bo ba sa dire sepe.

Ke go baya mo Modimong gore ee a Modimo a re thuse, madi a ye go adimiwa go dirwe tsela ya mofuta oo.

Ke keletso ya mongwe le mongwe.


Mr Speaker, tsela ke yone e isang dithoto kwa bathong, e tsamaisa itsholelo, ke yone e e ka reng ka yone fa e le teng, matshelo a batho a tokafala, ba ba yang dipatela, go reka dithoto, ba ba yang kae le kae.

Le bajanala tota fa go na le ditsela, ba kgona go tsamaya botoka.

Mr Speaker, a e se ka ya nna puo ya molomo, jaaka re itse gore ditsholofetso tsa Domkrag go tswa ka 2019 di tlala emere kgotsa motho o ka nna a di tshela mo drum ga 24 e sa tlale.
Mr Speaker, e re fa re dira yone tsela e, re etle re lebelela ditsela tse mo ka Sekgoa ba e tleng ba re feeder roads, gore kana le tsone, re tlile go tlhokana le gore ka gore jaanong dikoloi di a oketsega di ya go tshela kwa go A1, le tsone di tokafadiwe.

Keletso ke gore gongwe motho a bone ditsela tse di tona tse di tswang mo metseng e metona, le tsone di godisiwa.

Re bona tsela tswang kwa Selebi Phikwe e ya kwa Serule le yone e le dual carriage.
Re bona tsela e e leng gore jaaka gompieno tsamaya mo mmileng go tswa Selebi Phikwe re ya kwa Plaatjan, go agilwe borogo jwa monobono, mme ga go ka fa re ka yang ka teng kwa borogong joo, ga go na tsela Mr Speaker.

Le ene Minister e re fa a adima madi jaana, a leke go lebelela gore a mme ka gore re rile borogo jo bo tlaabo bo tlisa dithoto, batho le ditirelo mo Botswana via Selebi Phikwe, a tsela eo e tokafadiwe, batho ba kgaolo ya Selebi Phikwe le Mmadinare le bone ba akole go dirisa borogo joo.
Borogo jwa Plaatjan is the shortest route to Johannesburg – Pretoria le masika a rona kwa bo Venda ka kwa.

Re ka kgona go ya teng motlhofo, re sa ye go hapoga kwa Martins Drift le Tlokweng fela jalo.

Mma ke bue ka bofetshwana Mr Speaker, ke tshware kgang ya coal mines le power stations, gore nako e gorogile, ga se nako ya go akanya, ke nako ya go dira, re simolole go lebelela gore lefatshe le lebile kwa e leng gore we are all going to go green.
Ga go na ka fa re ka itibisang go sele re re re santse re tlaa aga power stations which pollute the environment.

Ga go na ope gape mo go rona yo gongwe a santseng a na le keletso ya go ka reka coal mo go rona, re tlaabo re itiela nako.

Ke nako e e tshwanetseng gompieno gore re simolole go bona gore Honourable Moagi, o lebelela coal a bo a bona gore fa e epiwa jaana, go dirwa eng ka yone.

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E se ka ya re re e lebelela, re bo re bona power station.

Re tshwanetse gore fa re re re na le coal jaaka re re e ntsintsi jaana, re bo re sa leba coal e re tlaabong re e tshuba e ntsha mesi e bolaya tikologo.

Re tshwanetse go simolola go lebelela gape as an alternative, re na le marang a letsatsi a a seng kana ka sepe a a tsitsibanyang mmele.
Le dijwalo gompieno jaaka re bua jaana, di fisiwa ke letsatsi Mr Speaker, mme letsatsi le fa go ne go kgonega, re ka bo re le harvest, re neela (provide) batho ka metlakase le tse dingwe jalo.

Ke a itse gore maiteko a teng, mme it is not enough Mr Speaker.

Ke ne ke re ke fete ka eo, ke tlaa tla ke bua ka yone fa re setse re le mo Committee Stage, ke gakolole honourable yo o tshwanetseng.
Re ntse re le gone foo Mr Speaker, jaaka ke ne ke bua ka mines, kana mafatshe a setse a simolotse go dira mo gotweng ke synthetic diamonds tse di dirwang in the laboratory.

Bana ba BIUST ka kwa le bone ba ka nna ba di dira, and ga go a sala sepe gore re simolole go bona diteemane tsa rona jaanong di sa rekiwe e le gore batho ba tabogela mo dilong tse e leng gore the production… MR SPEAKER: Order!

Order!

Honourable Nkawana, it is now 6 o’clock, you will continue tomorrow.
May I now call upon the Leader of the House, His Honour the Vice President (VP) to move a Motion of adjournment.

MOTION ADJOURNMENT LEADER OF THE HOUSE (MR TSOGWANE): Thank you Mr Speaker.

Mr Speaker, jaaka o kopile gore re tsile kwa bokhutlong jwa tiro ya letsatsi leno, re kope batlotlegi gore ba golole gore Ntlo e e ye bokhutlong.

Thank you Mr Speaker.

Question put and agreed to.


The Assembly accordingly adjourned at 6:00 p.m. until Wednesday 16th February, 2022 at 2:00 p.m. 60 Hansard No 205Tuesday 15th February, 2022APPROPRIATION (2022/2023) BILL, 2022 (NO.
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