"So it 's just a coincidence that nations that ban guns like England have much lower levels of gun violence and murder than the US ? That 's kind of hard to believe . NYC was so effective in reducing crime that the mayor of NYC was invited to Mexico City to help them reduce crime there . So I do n't think the possibility that gun control has been effective in cities like NYC can be ruled out . You may be confusing cause and effect . You would n't walk into a hospital and declare that because there are a lot of sick people in a hospital that hospitals do n't help people get better ."
"So the fact that there are fewer crimes in britain is evidence , but the fact that there is a great deal more crime in S Africa , despite having some of the strictest gun control laws in the world , is not ? In new york , the reduction in crime was the result of an overhaul of police and the criminal justice system . Couple pages on that : http : //www.city-journal.org/html/15_1_ny_crime.html http : //www.ny.gov/governor/patrecord/crime.html New York started instituting prohibitive firearms laws in the 60s . Most of the firearms laws they `` enjoy `` now were put in place in the 70s ( except for a brief round of idiocy in the 90 's having to do with semi-auto rifles .... `` assault weapons `` , which they banned despite the fact that the police commissioner of NY City testified that they had no record of one ever being used in a crime ) . So , they had prohibitive gun control for 30+ years , and then when they spent billions on theri criminal justice system and police , none of which had anything to do with gun control , their crime rate started to fall , and somehow you want us to believe that this was due to the gun control ? Nobody here is that gullible ."
"So it 's just a coincidence that nations that ban guns like England have much lower levels of gun violence and murder than the US ? That 's kind of hard to"
"So the fact that there are fewer crimes in britain is evidence , but the fact that there is a great deal more crime in S Africa , despite having some of the strictest gun control laws in the world , is not ? ``"