"Especially since your first claim was pretty outrageous . Laws will exist whether religion does or not . Religion is similar to a book of laws although that does n't mean that it existed before the laws did . Trying to even say humans would n't exist without God should n't even be brought up . The Christian God that is described in the Bible might not even exist . The Bible is flawed at the very least meaning doubt has to be placed in anything written in it that is n't provable ."
"Again , a perspective problem . I do believe that man would not be here to govern without God , so our argument goes deeper into a realm where I would have to convince you that there is a God , or you would have to convince me that there is no God . I really do n't think we are going to get anywhere from this angle . Just too many differences in beliefs ."
"The Christian God that is described in the Bible might not even exist ."
"I would have to convince you that there is a God"