"The problem here is that Christians ( such as I am ) consider the Bible to be Proof . I would be interested in seeing where you get your statistics that most births are impossible and most end in c-section . The women 's body begins preparing for birth from the minute she becomes pregnant . There are hormones released that allow for the cartilage to soften which allows the pelvis to spread as the child is born . Yes , birth is hard on the woman 's body , but personal responsibility comes into play . You did the deed , you do n't punish another for it . I am honestly torn on this one . Though I can see where it would be almost impossible for a woman to live with this , much less have a child that comes from this foul deed , I still do n't see where the child is to blame for the rape , thus it should not be punished . Much used and abused argument . Ca n't really be proven or disproven until it is tested , so I am not sure there is an argument . This is dramaticized by Hollywood leftists in movies and TV , so it has become this seemingly powerful point . Still not seeing where millions of children should be punished for the likely much fewer women who will seek abortion if it is made illegal . I would rather they overscreen than underscreen . I agree . I do not agree this means kill more babies . That is about as humanistic as you can get ( besides killing handicapped children ) . It all leads into a big , black hole . Religion influences all laws . Without that influence , there would be no laws . Note : humanism is also a religion !"
"# 1 See the post titled `` Biblical Failures `` in the Religion section of this forum . If the Bible has a single inaccuracy in it , then it can not be considered 100 % true . This post shows inaccuracies so the Bible can not be considered a reliable source for things that can not be proven and that includes trying to say whether an unborn baby has a soul . Besides , why should you be able to force your beliefs on everyone else ? Perhaps you could justify a law that says all Christians can not have abortions . # 2 A child who is unborn is not being punished by having its life ended . Even if you believe in the Bible , the child is going to simply ascend to heaven without having to suffer here on earth . If you do believe in the Bible and do n't believe this above fact , then you are saying that God will punish the child for being aborted . # 3 Your moronic statement about how there would be no laws without religion discredits your writings anyways . Laws do not stem from religion . They stem from the need for a society to be able to function properly . They stem from mans desire for power . Some do stem from religion but this does not make up the majority . If you wish to try and debate this , why not explain how religious influenced the laws concerning driving on a specific side of the road more than social influences did . # 4 Getting back to the abortion debate , what do you have against abortions ? Assuming you can not simply get off by saying the Bible says this or religion says that , what else can you say ? The fact is that abortion does not affect you . You can preach about abortion being bad and even protest it , but why should you try and force your beliefs on others ? I know this is the essence of Christianity , but why should it extend to society ? Pro-choice at least lets people decide what is best from them and the child . Can you honestly say it is better for a child to be born and mistreated and/or under fed until it dies than it is for a child to simply be aborted ?"
"I would be interested in seeing where you get your statistics that most births are impossible and most end in c-section ."
"in the Religion section of this forum . If the Bible has a single inaccuracy in it , then it can not be considered 100 % true ."