"Logical truths simply follow from the way in which concepts are defined . 1 + 1 = 2 is true and always true because of the meaning of ( 1 ) , the + sign , and = . They are not dependent on matter , nor are they dependent on god . It is true regardless of whether there is any matter which the number 1 can be used to describe , or regardless of whether any conscious being exists which can think it . These are not concepts created by man , but discovered by him . I am not sure what you mean here by derived . If you mean created , they are certainly not created by the physical universe , they are true regardless of whether any universe exists at all . Yes this may contradict the view of some `` strict `` naturalists , who claim that the physical , material world is all that exists , but they simply deny that things like the `` law of non-contradiction `` exist at all . If you say it exists , they will ask you to point to its physical manifestation ."
"1+1=2 if we know the meaning or not where do concepts come from when all that exist is matter , we know concepts are outside and are not dependent on matter or experence , or being discovered ( if we did not discover them they would still exist ) how can matter bring about something that is not matter"
"Logical truths , They are not dependent on matter , nor are they dependent on god If you say it exists , they will ask you to point to"
"if we know the meaning or not where do concepts come from when all that exist is matter , how can matter bring about something that is not matter"