"So what are some examples of restrictive gun laws in South Africa ? The people in South Africa think their gun laws are not strict enough . In one of your previous posts you seem determined to use South Africa as evidence that outlawing guns does n't work . But gun ownership is still legal there ."
"Some in S Africa do not think their gun laws are strict enough . Some in New york city do not think THEIR gun laws are strict enough . This just shows that there are XXXXXX everywhere . In S Africa , you are required to have a permit to own any firearm . Any criminal activity , or `` questionable `` associations result in the refusal of a permit . Over 60 % of permit applications are denied , and penalties for posession of an unlicensed weapon are severe . YET , unlicensed weapons outnumber licensed ones . The problem with gun control laws is that they seldom contain a crime control element . Somebody who is going to rob a liquor store is not likely to stop and rethink their plan because their firearm is illegal . They are getting ready to commit a felony anyway . Nobody is going to decide NOT to murder somebody because they fear being charged with illegal posession of a firearm . Gun laws essentially only apply to law abiding citizens . A criminal is , by definition , somebody who does not obey the law . You can not legislate away criminality ."
"The people in South Africa think their gun laws are not strict enough ."
"This just shows that there are XXXXXX everywhere . ``"