"Take Chicago , they have strict gun laws and have over 3 times the national rate of murders ."
"Stop trying to muddy the waters . I was talking about developed nations with lower murder rates . You suddenly bring Chicago into the debate- a city with open borders in a nation where guns are freely available . Even if gun control has n't worked there it does n't follow that gun laws ca n't work on a national level ."
"Take Chicago , they have strict gun laws"
"You suddenly bring Chicago into the debate- a city with open borders in a nation where guns are freely available"